Networking problem

[Bob Urz]

I am trying to link a desktop intel 865 machine together with a HP Z8000
AMD laptop to transfer files. These machines have not been networked
before. After much configuration and work (I am not a network
expert), I got both machines set up though a wireless router using
two hardwired ethernet ports. Both machines are setup DHCP with
guest accounts activated. I have a shared files folder set up on each
machine.

I finally got it to the point that from the desktop i can ping the ip
of the laptop (192.168.1.102) and get a response. and I can ping the
desktop from the laptop. but, i cannot see the remote machines
in windows explorer or under networking MSHOME. and if i do a machine
name in the run box "//HP or //AMD" i don't get a response

Also, if i ping the laptops ip locally on the laptop it times out.
Ping locally on the desktop works OK.
It seems some network configuration is not ok on the laptop.

What other network settings or permissions do i need to change to get
these machines talking to each other to transfer files?

REcap:
each machine set up for MSHOME
Each machine has network card with TCP/ip
guest account is activated on both
each machine has some shared folders.
each machine hooked to ethernet ports of wireless router.
firewall was turned off on each machine for the test.
The hp laptop is media center XP if that makes a difference.



Bob

 

[Brian A.]

I am trying to link a desktop intel 865 machine together with a HP Z8000 AMD laptop
to transfer files. These machines have not been networked before. After much
configuration and work (I am not a network
expert), I got both machines set up though a wireless router using
two hardwired ethernet ports. Both machines are setup DHCP with
guest accounts activated. I have a shared files folder set up on each machine.

I finally got it to the point that from the desktop i can ping the ip
of the laptop (192.168.1.102) and get a response. and I can ping the desktop from
the laptop. but, i cannot see the remote machines
in windows explorer or under networking MSHOME. and if i do a machine name in the
run box "//HP or //AMD" i don't get a response

Also, if i ping the laptops ip locally on the laptop it times out.
Ping locally on the desktop works OK.
It seems some network configuration is not ok on the laptop.

What other network settings or permissions do i need to change to get these
machines talking to each other to transfer files?

REcap:
each machine set up for MSHOME
Each machine has network card with TCP/ip
guest account is activated on both
each machine has some shared folders.
each machine hooked to ethernet ports of wireless router.
firewall was turned off on each machine for the test.
The hp laptop is media center XP if that makes a difference.



Bob

Right click My Network Places on the Desktop.
Click Properties.
Right click Local Area Connection.
Click Properties.

Under "This connection uses....."
Click "Client for MS Networks".
Click Properties.
Select "Windows Locator" from the dropdown box, if disabled skip.
Click Ok.

Scroll to and select Internet Protocol (TCP/IP).
Click Properties.

Under the General tab make sure "Obtain an IP address automatically" is selected.
Click the Advanced button.

Under the DNS tab:
Selected "Append Primary and Parent DNS suffixes.
Register this connections address in DNS"

Under the WINS tab > NetBIOS:
Selected Default.
Ok out of MNP.
Reboot if required.

Test connectivity:
Open a command prompt, click Start > Run, type in: cmd and press Enter.
At the prompt type each command below and press Enter after each.
**Note: Command noted by =, Space noted by ^. Do not type the = or ^.

=ping ^ 192.168.1.1 *Routers IP, change as necessary.
If it times out then there is no communication between the router and machine.
If not then the machine communicates with the router.

=ping ^ google.com
If it times out then there is no connection to the net.
If not then net connection is established and all is well.

ping 127.0.0.1
If it fails it may be a TCP/IP stack problem.

Ping each computer from the other using the UNC:
=ping ^ computername
If it fails either way there's an IP or Name resolution problem.

If pinging times out on any address, to see if the machines IP is correct along with
other settings.
= ipconfig ^ /all
If anything isn't correct, at the prompt type and press Enter after each command:

=ipconfig ^ /release
=ipconfig ^ /flushdns
=ipconfig ^ /renew
=ipconfig ^ /registerdns
=exit
If that fails reopen the command prompt, run /release and /flushdns only and exit.

Shut down the machine(s).
Pull the power from the router.
Pull the power from the modem.
Wait approx 30 secs.
Apply power to the modem and wait for it to finish synchronizing with the cable.
Apply power to the router and wait for it to finish synchronizing with the modem.
Power up the machine(s).
The machine(s) should now be assigned a new IP from the router.
Run ipconfig or attempt net connection to test.


--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

 

[Plato]

I am trying to link a desktop intel 865 machine together with a HP Z8000
AMD laptop to transfer files. These machines have not been networked

Networking

http://www.howstuffworks.com/home-network.htm
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/category04
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/default.mspx
http://compnetworking.about.com/od/...indows_XP_Networking_Microsoft_Windows_XP.htm
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=813936
http://www.onecomputerguy.com/networking/xp_network.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/getstarted/default.mspx

 

[Brian A.]

Was set-up this way. OK


was Set up that way. OK


Was set OK


was set that way OK


both machine talk to the router with ping


no internet


Both machines ping ok


Both machines locally ping there own name. but you cannot ping from one machine to
the
other


Desktop will ping its own IP fine
The laptop times out pinging its own IP




WOnt work. comes up with error message access denied.


/
Still in the same boat. the machines won't talk to each other?
Why is access denied on the "ipconfig /renew" on the laptop?
I did google a few items on this, the account is set up as admin
and logged on as admin.

Bob

What firewall are you using?
What's the make/model of your router?
Disable the Guest account.
Please post the "ipconfig /all" results of both machines.

--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

 

[BOB Urz]

Right click My Network Places on the Desktop.
Click Properties.
Right click Local Area Connection.
Click Properties.

Under "This connection uses....."
Click "Client for MS Networks".
Click Properties.
Select "Windows Locator" from the dropdown box, if disabled skip.
Click Ok./

Was set-up this way. OK

Scroll to and select Internet Protocol (TCP/IP).
Click Properties.

Under the General tab make sure "Obtain an IP address automatically" is selected.
Click the Advanced button.
/

was Set up that way. OK

Under the DNS tab:
Selected "Append Primary and Parent DNS suffixes.
Register this connections address in DNS"
/

Was set OK

Under the WINS tab > NetBIOS:
Selected Default.
Ok out of MNP.
Reboot if required.
/

was set that way OK

Test connectivity:
Open a command prompt, click Start > Run, type in: cmd and press Enter.
At the prompt type each command below and press Enter after each.
**Note: Command noted by =, Space noted by ^. Do not type the = or ^.

=ping ^ 192.168.1.1 *Routers IP, change as necessary.
If it times out then there is no communication between the router and machine.
If not then the machine communicates with the router.
/

both machine talk to the router with ping

=ping ^ google.com
If it times out then there is no connection to the net.
If not then net connection is established and all is well.
/

no internet

ping 127.0.0.1
If it fails it may be a TCP/IP stack problem.

Both machines ping ok

Ping each computer from the other using the UNC:
=ping ^ computername
If it fails either way there's an IP or Name resolution problem.
/

Both machines locally ping there own name. but you cannot ping from one machine to the
other

If pinging times out on any address, to see if the machines IP is correct along with
other settings.
/

Desktop will ping its own IP fine
The laptop times out pinging its own IP

= ipconfig ^ /all
If anything isn't correct, at the prompt type and press Enter after each command:

=ipconfig ^ /release
/
OK


OK

=ipconfig ^ /flushdns/
OK


=ipconfig ^ /renew/

WOnt work. comes up with error message access denied.

=ipconfig ^ /registerdns
/
OK

=exit
If that fails reopen the command prompt, run /release and /flushdns only and exit.
/
OK


Shut down the machine(s).
Pull the power from the router.
Pull the power from the modem.
Wait approx 30 secs.
Apply power to the modem and wait for it to finish synchronizing with the cable.
Apply power to the router and wait for it to finish synchronizing with the modem.
Power up the machine(s).
The machine(s) should now be assigned a new IP from the router.
Run ipconfig or attempt net connection to test.

/

/
Still in the same boat. the machines won't talk to each other?
Why is access denied on the "ipconfig /renew" on the laptop?
I did google a few items on this, the account is set up as admin
and logged on as admin.

Bob

 

[Brian A.]

Ok, I see a problem right off the bat.
Machine #2 has the same IP as the Router, no two IP's can be the same or they will
conflict.
Machine #3 has a pretty high IP compared to the others. It's alright as long as it's
within the range configured in the router.
What is lan2 and lan 2? If they are the net names change them to something like Bob1
and Bob2. ICR at the moment but I believe spaces aren't allowed unless an underscore
is used.

I'll have a look-see at the router manual to check a few things and get back with
possibly more questions.

--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

 

[Brian A.]

Ok, now for the router configuration.
Run/open the routers web based configuration.
Open your web application and type in the address bar: 192.168.1.1 and press Enter.
You'll be greeted with a username/password window.
Leave the username blank, type in admin for the password and click Ok.
If you have already changed the username/pw use those instead.

Under Setup-Basic Setup:
Internet connection type: Obtain IP automatically or (PPPoE if your ISP connects
that way)
DHCP: Enable
Start IP Addy: 192.168.1.2
# of Addy's: Set it to a few numbers higher than the number of machines you'll have
connected thru the router.

Click Save Settings.

Under Administration-Management:
Change the Default username/pw, leaving it at default is inviting hackers entry to
the routers configuration.

Click Save Settings.

Under Status-Router:
If the Internet IP, Default Gateway and DNS are only zeros click DHCP Release, then
click DHCP Renew.
If all is configured properly they should all show the ISP's web IP, Gateway and DNS.
If they do close out of the web based configuration. **Don't forget the username/pw
you set. If you do you will have to reset the router to it's default settings to get
back in.

Shut down all of the machines.
Shut down the router.
Shut down the modem.
For now leave the wireless laptop out of the equation, just connect the 2 wired
machine to the router.
Start the modem and let it sync up completely.
Start the router and let it sync up completely.
Boot one of the machines.
Boot the other machine.
Let them get fully loaded.
Try to connect to the internet with one.
Try to connect to the internet with the other.

Post back with the results.


--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

 

[BOB Urz]

Machine 1# desktop win xp pro intel 865MB celeron 2.6 on board lan
zone alarm pro firewall.

ipconfig
lan 2
ip= 192.168.1.2
subnet=255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.1.1


machine 2# HP Z8000 laptop xp media center on board lan and 802.11 windows firewall off.
no other firewall

ipconfig:
lan2
ip=192.168.1.1
subnet=255.255.255.0
gateway192.168.1.1

wireless
ip=192.168.1.101
sub=255.255.255.0
gateway=192.168.1.1
there are listings for tuning adapter too?

router linksys befw11s4

router:
login type:dhcp
internet IP=0.0.0.0
SUBNET=255.255.255.0
DEFAULT GATEWAY 0.0.0.0.
DNS 0.0.0.0.
MTU=1500
LAN
IP=192.168.1.1
SUBNET 255.255.255.0
DHCP=ENABLED


BOTH networks set up for MSHOME
both machines can see there own shared folders under MSHOME, but
not the other machines. Network activity lights flash on the router on the port in use.
no net connection at this time.
so, what could the issues be?

the guest account is on. WHy would this make a difference?

Bob