need to get XP installer disc(s) will my key code work?

D

DJW

I was given a Dell desktop computer with windows XP pro on it sp2. It
has the Microsoft XP pro key code sticker on it’s side. Can I buy any
XP installer set of disc(s) on ebay and use my code? Will the key only
work with pro and not home edition? and does the Xp version on the
installer discs matter if it is newer than what was installed
originally? And is all on one disc?
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

I was given a Dell desktop computer with windows XP pro on it sp2. It
has the Microsoft XP pro key code sticker on it’s side. Can I buy any
XP installer set of disc(s) on ebay and use my code?


No, the Product Key needs to match the CD with respect to whether it's
Home or Professional, with respect to whether it's retail or OEM (your
key is OEM if it's on a sticker on the case), and with respect to
whether it's Full or Upgrade.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP
 
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Bob F

DJW said:
I was given a Dell desktop computer with windows XP pro on it sp2. It
has the Microsoft XP pro key code sticker on it’s side. Can I buy any
XP installer set of disc(s) on ebay and use my code? Will the key only
work with pro and not home edition? and does the Xp version on the
installer discs matter if it is newer than what was installed
originally? And is all on one disc?


I recently got a Dell PC working using my own Vista Ultimate CD and a "Vista
Recovery" CD I downloaded. So, yes, it can probably be done with proper
research.

http://planetmediocrity.com/2009/07...g-an-oem-product-key-with-a-full-retail-disc/
 
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philo

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DJW

why buy on ebay ..

when at Microsoft
Product media is free of charge.
However, shipment & handling fee applies
and varies according to the shipment mode selected:

<https://om2.one.microsoft.com/opa/CASearch.aspx?StoreID=d7a098f4-4034....>

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might this disc work in my case see ebay link below?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/260973569737?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
 
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Paul

DJW said:

I contemplated writing a huge post, but instead, I'll suggest this
instead. Have you tried the "Dell hardware chat" ? Have your
Service Tag information handy, if you do. Ask them, if recovery
CDs are available, what they'll cost, what's the part number
of the CD, and perhaps with that info, you can get CDs that
don't even need the license key on that sticker.

http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/chat/hardware_chat?c=us&l=en&s=gen

Dell also has a web page, where you fill in your details, and
they get in touch with you (perhaps by email). But the chat
method, may answer your questions faster.

Note that, the key on the sticker, is *not* the same as the
key the computer was using. When the computer comes new to you,
there is a "royalty OEM" OS installed on the hard drive. The
OS, checks the SLIC info from the BIOS, and automatically
activates the OS. No need to consult with Microsoft in that case.

The key on the sticker on the machine, is in case the hard
drive dies and you have absolutely none of the original Dell
software. You can then take, say, a system builder OEM CD,
and re-install the OS. The OS would then no longer have the
Dell cruft in it, but, it would also not activate automatically.
You'd have to type in the key, early in the install, and later,
the OS would contact Microsoft over the network. If you have
a problem activating, it's a phone call to Microsoft.

So if you use a software like a "magic jellybean finder" or
Belarc advisor, looking for the key on the original Dell
hard drive, that key value would not match the sticker.
In effect, you have two license keys at work. Recovering
the one off the hard drive, is useless, while the one on
the sticker affords you a second way of reinstalling the
OS you've paid for.

I don't know any of the details of precisely *what* flavor
of installer CD, matches that key. Maybe the hardware-chat
folks at Dell can tell you that. Windows has many many SKUs
(stock keeping units), so there is a bewildering variety
available, and an infinite number of yahoos on Ebay to sell
them to you :-(

That item you picked on Ebay, has no identifying information
at all on it. So it's hard to say what that disc is.

Even a local computer store might know what kind of
disc is required, and perhaps you can negotiate the
price of a copy of one of those. (If you let them do
the install, they'll charge a fortune. The charge is
for labor.)

Paul
 
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Bob F

philo said:
I doubt if the OP wants Vista on a machine that is not likely to have
the hardware to run it...much less an illegal copy of Vista

Probably the best thing would be to just buy an XP CD and use the
product key that comes with it

I did it for Vista. I suspect that XP can be done similarly. Research would
tell.
 
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DJW

From: "Hot-Text" <[email protected]>











*ANY* Dell PC (that is that has WinXP drivers).

Just looked in system control panel and yes it is a different key
number than the sticker on the side and it is a Dell Dimension 4550
with Intel cpu My whole reason is that I own the computer and would
like to know I have CDs to redo the system some day soon just to
freshen thing up and start again at ground zero so to speak
 
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Bob F

DJW said:
Just looked in system control panel and yes it is a different key
number than the sticker on the side and it is a Dell Dimension 4550
with Intel cpu My whole reason is that I own the computer and would
like to know I have CDs to redo the system some day soon just to
freshen thing up and start again at ground zero so to speak

Many "brand name" computers have the OS install disk on a partition of the hard
drive, and the facility to burn a disk from that. Have you checked for that?

Plus, read the below for help using different discs.
http://www.mydigitallife.info/how-t...etween-retail-oem-and-volume-license-channel/
 
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DJW

There DJW I need to know that..
For Dell Dimension 4550 can out with Windows 98,
So it was up date to a XP...
ground zero is 98 not Xp..

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maybe so but it has an XP pro sticker on it and I see it could have
shipped with Xp pro or home I guess depending what you wanted to pay
and config from Dell
 
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DJW

There you go Dave,
Good info you 99% right..

here the link to the drives here need to get it you and running...
<http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/04/DriversHome/NeedProductS...>

Ok I called dell, the number I got was for small business sales or
tech not sure. I do use it for personal use however. I got a nice
woman in I assume India from her accent. I gave her the numbers on
stickers she asked for and she said she would ship me out a proper CD
with XP Pro on it. She said my computer shipped with sp1 but will
upgraded to service pack 3. I have sp 2on it now. I assume from online
upgrades. I asked how much and she said no charge. I was not going to
argue the point about not even needed to pay shipping on the cd. But
well why free???. She said it will be here by the end of the week and
gave me an order number. I will drop a reply here if it indeed shows
with no bill. I hope SP 3 is ok with my older bios MY FLOPPY DRIVE IS
NON FUNCTIONAL the reason I never did a BIOS update from A02 to A08?
 
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Paul

DJW said:
Ok I called dell, the number I got was for small business sales or
tech not sure. I do use it for personal use however. I got a nice
woman in I assume India from her accent. I gave her the numbers on
stickers she asked for and she said she would ship me out a proper CD
with XP Pro on it. She said my computer shipped with sp1 but will
upgraded to service pack 3. I have sp 2on it now. I assume from online
upgrades. I asked how much and she said no charge. I was not going to
argue the point about not even needed to pay shipping on the cd. But
well why free???. She said it will be here by the end of the week and
gave me an order number. I will drop a reply here if it indeed shows
with no bill. I hope SP 3 is ok with my older bios MY FLOPPY DRIVE IS
NON FUNCTIONAL the reason I never did a BIOS update from A02 to A08?

The A08 update for the Dell 4550 here, comes in three versions. So there is
more than the floppy-dependent version.

http://www.dell.com/support/drivers...Formats?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&DriverId=R67246

Generally, there is a "risk reward" analysis to be done. If the BIOS
is fixing something absolutely necessary to machine operation, then
you do the update. The release notes (should be on this web page as well),
should detail what is fixed. And then you can decide whether you've ever
run into the problem before or not.

If you don't have a floppy, you can make a bootable CD with MSDOS
on it. Basically, you can create up to a 2.88MB floppy image (.ima)
and put that on the CDROM, with the appropriate software. That
would be suitable for the DOS version of the BIOS update. So
it *is* possible to build bootable CDs, that look like a floppy
for all practical purposes. And if a partition on the hard drive
is FAT32 type, even put the Dell .exe file for the unbundled
flash, onto that partition, change directory to it in the DOS
prompt, and flash from there.

http://www.infocellar.com/CD/Boot-CD.htm

Doing the BIOS update from DOS is marginally safer, as with
the Windows based one, there is a (slight) danger of the
update stopping part way through. Perhaps you forgot to disable
the AV or something, or the machine already has a problem with
Windows, which might happen to freeze things half way
through a Windows based update.

The way I look at it, from a risk perspective, is "how do I
fix it, if it gets bricked?". Motherboards have the BIOS
chip on their surface. The chip is either sitting in a PLCC socket,
or it is soldered directly to the motherboard.

In this example from Ebay, the chip looks to be soldered. If you
"brick" the motherboard by attempting a BIOS flash, then that chip
would have to be unsoldered. Whereas, motherboards with a socket-mounted
chip, you pop the chip out and install another one in its place.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Dell-Dimensi...U2/$(KGrHqJ,!qEE63Z2fW0YBPE2!CkKIQ~~60_57.JPG

In this picture, I've circled the BIOS chip. On retail motherboards,
sometimes the chip has a paper label with the original BIOS release
number printed on the label. In electronics, we use the label, to
keep track of flash chip inventory (because it's easy to forget
what you flashed in there).

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg705/scaled.php?server=705&filename=dell4550bios.gif&res=medium

So if something did happen, you couldn't immediately pull that chip
and order a new one. This site, for example, provides a means
of flashing a chip in cases where the motherboard gets bricked
on a BIOS update. But this is easiest if the chip is socketed.
All my motherboards here, have socketed flash chips (and I
haven't needed to change one yet). I've personally popped about
100 chips out of those PLCC sockets, for lab flash upgrades.
So if there is a socket, it's a real time saver - no soldering.

http://www.badflash.com/faq.html

"4. You flashed in a Window or over the internet. This is computer
Russian Roulette. It is only safe to flash from a bootable floppy
with no drivers, autoexec.bat, and no config.sys. Even this is
not risk free. You should ALWAYS save the old file to floppy."

I don't think "safe" is quite the right word. If you know that
your Windows install is "sick", that increases the risk of the
flash update failing half way through. And then the computer
won't boot on the next power cycle.

So even without a floppy, it can be done, at least in this
case. Between the CD drive and the hard drive, you can
cook up an upgrade method. (The hard drive, being a place
to store the BIOS executable update file, on a FAT32 partition.
That's easier than editing the ISO9660 DOS image.)

HTH,
Paul
 
D

DJW

The A08 update for the Dell 4550 here, comes in three versions. So there is
more than the floppy-dependent version.

http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/19/DriverDetails/DriverFile...

Generally, there is a "risk reward" analysis to be done. If the BIOS
is fixing something absolutely necessary to machine operation, then
you do the update. The release notes (should be on this web page as well),
should detail what is fixed. And then you can decide whether you've ever
run into the problem before or not.

If you don't have a floppy, you can make a bootable CD with MSDOS
on it. Basically, you can create up to a 2.88MB floppy image (.ima)
and put that on the CDROM, with the appropriate software. That
would be suitable for the DOS version of the BIOS update. So
it *is* possible to build bootable CDs, that look like a floppy
for all practical purposes. And if a partition on the hard drive
is FAT32 type, even put the Dell .exe file for the unbundled
flash, onto that partition, change directory to it in the DOS
prompt, and flash from there.

http://www.infocellar.com/CD/Boot-CD.htm

Doing the BIOS update from DOS is marginally safer, as with
the Windows based one, there is a (slight) danger of the
update stopping part way through. Perhaps you forgot to disable
the AV or something, or the machine already has a problem with
Windows, which might happen to freeze things half way
through a Windows based update.

The way I look at it, from a risk perspective, is "how do I
fix it, if it gets bricked?". Motherboards have the BIOS
chip on their surface. The chip is either sitting in a PLCC socket,
or it is soldered directly to the motherboard.

In this example from Ebay, the chip looks to be soldered. If you
"brick" the motherboard by attempting a BIOS flash, then that chip
would have to be unsoldered. Whereas, motherboards with a socket-mounted
chip, you pop the chip out and install another one in its place.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Dell-Dimension-4550-Motherboard-Processor-USB-...

In this picture, I've circled the BIOS chip. On retail motherboards,
sometimes the chip has a paper label with the original BIOS release
number printed on the label. In electronics, we use the label, to
keep track of flash chip inventory (because it's easy to forget
what you flashed in there).

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg705/scaled.php?server=705&filename=d....

So if something did happen, you couldn't immediately pull that chip
and order a new one. This site, for example, provides a means
of flashing a chip in cases where the motherboard gets bricked
on a BIOS update. But this is easiest if the chip is socketed.
All my motherboards here, have socketed flash chips (and I
haven't needed to change one yet). I've personally popped about
100 chips out of those PLCC sockets, for lab flash upgrades.
So if there is a socket, it's a real time saver - no soldering.

http://www.badflash.com/faq.html

   "4. You flashed in a Window or over the internet. This is computer
       Russian Roulette. It is only safe to flash from a bootablefloppy
       with no drivers, autoexec.bat, and no config.sys. Even this is
       not risk free. You should ALWAYS save the old file to floppy."

I don't think "safe" is quite the right word. If you know that
your Windows install is "sick", that increases the risk of the
flash update failing half way through. And then the computer
won't boot on the next power cycle.

So even without a floppy, it can be done, at least in this
case. Between the CD drive and the hard drive, you can
cook up an upgrade method. (The hard drive, being a place
to store the BIOS executable update file, on a FAT32 partition.
That's easier than editing the ISO9660 DOS image.)

HTH,
   Paul

So far the reason I thought I wanted to up date the bios was a ram
company had said I had to to use their ram forget whether it was to
add more ram than the 4550 was to handle at it's release but now with
bigger dimms more could be added or it was because of the way the ram
was made. anyway with no floppy working I gave up was a bit gun shy
trying the windows way and never could figure out how to make the dos
bootable cd. sort of looked and just said to myself too much work and
risk do I need more ram anyway. being given the machine would be easy
come easy go it I did brick the chip but hey it is working why mess
with that.
 
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Paul

DJW said:
So far the reason I thought I wanted to up date the bios was a ram
company had said I had to to use their ram forget whether it was to
add more ram than the 4550 was to handle at it's release but now with
bigger dimms more could be added or it was because of the way the ram
was made. anyway with no floppy working I gave up was a bit gun shy
trying the windows way and never could figure out how to make the dos
bootable cd. sort of looked and just said to myself too much work and
risk do I need more ram anyway. being given the machine would be easy
come easy go it I did brick the chip but hey it is working why mess
with that.

I don't want to give you the wrong idea.

Flash updates aren't that unreliable. But when people have
problems, we get to hear about them in the newsgroups. And
then the prevalence of flash update failures seems worse.

In your case, you'd Google the Dell model number, and "BIOS flash failed"
and see what pops up. If there is a reliability issue, then
you can take that into consideration.

What I was trying to point out, is how difficult or
easy it can be, to fix. You can check your own motherboard,
and see if the BIOS chip is in a socket. If the flash
operation were to fail, and the computer would no longer
boot, then you can pull that chip and insert another one.
If the chip is soldered, it can still be replaced. I've
replaced one chip on a motherboard here (a voltage regulator
chip), and the desoldering process was pretty annoying.
(I ripped a pad off the motherboard, but since it didn't
have an electrical connection, there was no functional
damage. I just hate leaving tell-tale cosmetic marks
when I'm done. It's a matter of pride.) So modern
motherboards have pretty crappy foil pads on the surface.
The ones at work were much better, and could take a lot of abuse.

It's certainly a lot easier, if your floppy disk drive is
working. MSDOS floppies are a bit easier to make.

Just for kicks, you could download the infocellar ISO9660 file
they offer (their DOS CD). Burn a CD with that file, and then
see if it boots or not. That would show you whether you have
easy access to DOS or not. The downloadable file is up near
the top of the infocellar web page.

Paul
 
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BillW50

In
DJW said:
... anyway with no floppy working I gave up was a bit gun shy
trying the windows way and never could figure out how to make the dos
bootable cd. sort of looked and just said to myself too much work and
risk do I need more ram anyway. being given the machine would be easy
come easy go it I did brick the chip but hey it is working why mess
with that.

Well three ideas:

1) USB floppy drives are cheap, like 15 bucks or less.

2) The Windows 9x CDs are DOS bootable.

3) It was either HP or Hitachi who has a free utility to take a bootable
floppy and burn it into a bootable flash drive. I used it to make my
Windows 98SE Startup flash drive.

Also weigh the benefits of the updated BIOS vs. the old. As a bad flash
can and does happen, they are generally under 5% failure rate. So those
are pretty good odds. But still, it may not be worth the risk if the old
BIOS is doing a good job.
 
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BillW50

In
Paul said:
I don't want to give you the wrong idea.

Flash updates aren't that unreliable. But when people have
problems, we get to hear about them in the newsgroups. And
then the prevalence of flash update failures seems worse.

I dunno Paul... I used to believe flashing was successful about 99.9999%
of the time. But also being a mostly lurker on the eeeuser forum, my
opinion changed to somewhere just under 5% were failures. Some of those
EEEs had five or more BIOS updates.

Sometimes it was the user fault. And they didn't realize that it could
take as long as 20 to 30 minutes sometimes to re-flash the BIOS. And of
course they killed the computer to try again and they ended up with a
bricked computer.

Sometimes they lost AC during a flash. Not the user's fault per se, but
also often results in a bricked computer. If they were smart, they would
have used an UPS.

And there was even more cases where none of the above happened, just the
flash procedure locked up in the middle of the process and under DOS,
you were stuck. I always figured that flashing under a Windows utility
was far safer. As if the flash failed, hung, it something. You could
always kill it and try again. As long as you didn't reboot the computer
in a failed state, you are free to keep trying as many times as you
would like.

Some claims that Windows based flash utilities has less of a success
rate vs. DOS utilities. I don't really understand why per se, as it
really shouldn't matter. Unless the Windows utility was poorly written
or something.

Another thing about some flash utilities that I don't like. Is some of
them check BIOS versions and won't allow downgrading. So let's say you
update your BIOS and it turns out it is far worse than the one you had.
Well the BIOS flash utility won't let you flash the original one back.
So you were stuck.
What I was trying to point out, is how difficult or
easy it can be, to fix. You can check your own motherboard,
and see if the BIOS chip is in a socket. If the flash
operation were to fail, and the computer would no longer
boot, then you can pull that chip and insert another one.
If the chip is soldered, it can still be replaced. I've
replaced one chip on a motherboard here (a voltage regulator
chip), and the desoldering process was pretty annoying.
(I ripped a pad off the motherboard, but since it didn't
have an electrical connection, there was no functional
damage. I just hate leaving tell-tale cosmetic marks
when I'm done. It's a matter of pride.) So modern
motherboards have pretty crappy foil pads on the surface.
The ones at work were much better, and could take a lot of abuse.

I don't see a lot of machines that sports BIOS sockets much anymore. The
higher and more expensive computers tend to have sockets. And there is a
trick to re-flash a failed BIOS flash if you have another good BIOS. The
trick is to boot with the good one. Carefully remove it under power.
Drop in the failed one and re-flash.

And while I have decades of experience with soldering. Even I would be a
bit leery to do it without expensive desoldering equipment. But I
suppose what would one have to lose if the motherboard was bricked
anyway?
It's certainly a lot easier, if your floppy disk drive is
working. MSDOS floppies are a bit easier to make.

It was surprisingly easy to create a DOS bootable flash drive too with
the right utility. Also even if you don't have a working floppy drive,
USB floppy drives are really cheap. Sometimes cheaper than a box of
floppies. ;-)
 
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DJW

In


I dunno Paul... I used to believe flashing was successful about 99.9999%
of the time. But also being a mostly lurker on the eeeuser forum, my
opinion changed to somewhere just under 5% were failures. Some of those
EEEs had five or more BIOS updates.

Sometimes it was the user fault. And they didn't realize that it could
take as long as 20 to 30 minutes sometimes to re-flash the BIOS. And of
course they killed the computer to try again and they ended up with a
bricked computer.

Sometimes they lost AC during a flash. Not the user's fault per se, but
also often results in a bricked computer. If they were smart, they would
have used an UPS.

And there was even more cases where none of the above happened, just the
flash procedure locked up in the middle of the process and under DOS,
you were stuck. I always figured that flashing under a Windows utility
was far safer. As if the flash failed, hung, it something. You could
always kill it and try again. As long as you didn't reboot the computer
in a failed state, you are free to keep trying as many times as you
would like.

Some claims that Windows based flash utilities has less of a success
rate vs. DOS utilities. I don't really understand why per se, as it
really shouldn't matter. Unless the Windows utility was poorly written
or something.

Another thing about some flash utilities that I don't like. Is some of
them check BIOS versions and won't allow downgrading. So let's say you
update your BIOS and it turns out it is far worse than the one you had.
Well the BIOS flash utility won't let you flash the original one back.
So you were stuck.


I don't see a lot of machines that sports BIOS sockets much anymore. The
higher and more expensive computers tend to have sockets. And there is a
trick to re-flash a failed BIOS flash if you have another good BIOS. The
trick is to boot with the good one. Carefully remove it under power.
Drop in the failed one and re-flash.

And while I have decades of experience with soldering. Even I would be a
bit leery to do it without expensive desoldering equipment. But I
suppose what would one have to lose if the motherboard was bricked
anyway?


It was surprisingly easy to create a DOS bootable flash drive too with
the right utility. Also even if you don't have a working floppy drive,
USB floppy drives are really cheap. Sometimes cheaper than a box of
floppies. ;-)

Ok on the BIOS subject I have an old floppy drive I could put in it as
a swap but I guess I need to find the driver for it to get it to work
will post more on what model it is if I do decide to do it.
Back to the original subject of reinstalling win xp pro the fed ex
truck just showed up and I now have the Xp Pro sp3 disc in hand. I did
already have when I got the computer the dell driver and programs cds
and a sound blster card CD. Was sort of hoping dell would have
included complete step by step instructions as to how to redo the OS.

Any site that goes through it step by step? Do I need to go into the
BIOS setup and change or make sure CD booting is before hard drive.
Have done this kind of thing with windows 98SE on a pre 1999 computer
never XP and a vintage 2002 machine.

Also thinking of removing the master booting HD and putting in the
present slave as master (is set to cable select (jumped) on the ribbon
cable as of now and just noodling around with a reformatted HD) doing
a clean install of everything keeping the present working HD in the
closet until I know I am able myself of redoing the whole bloody thing
over. Then pop the original HD back in and wipe it and rebuild it all
over. Sounds like a day of it and more lol Hey all thanks for all the
help so far.
 
D

DJW

From: "BillW50" <[email protected]>



















Using a windows Firmware updater has been 100% successful, especially in the
case of Dell, as it makes sure that the BIOS update is correct for that
plaform and will ONLY perform the update if conditions are right (for
example notebook is not on battery power).

Boot from DOS and running a BAT file that runs a Flash Utility updater which
uploads a BIN or ROM file BIOS image has a greater propensity of failure.

you talking about booting from Dos as with a floppy?
 
D

DJW

From: "BillW50" <[email protected]>



















Using a windows Firmware updater has been 100% successful, especially in the
case of Dell, as it makes sure that the BIOS update is correct for that
plaform and will ONLY perform the update if conditions are right (for
example notebook is not on battery power).

Boot from DOS and running a BAT file that runs a Flash Utility updater which
uploads a BIN or ROM file BIOS image has a greater propensity of failure.

One more thing maybe will find an old HD in the closet instead of
useing the say to noodle with. If I want to install XP pro SP3 and say
a internet browser say firefox and maybe just word to use for a week
or so what size hard drive would be big enough I think I have a 4 GB
or maybe a 6 GB would that be large enough to give my windows install
try a go?
 

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