My experience on this forum.

[Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User]

All 6% of them? watching must take all of a few minutes..

 

[Adam Albright]

Adam

I suggest that you look into what it takes to be nominated and
accepted/awarded before passing judgment.. one of the qualities that MS like
about MVP's is that we are blunt and honest, not being affiliated to MS in
the way that paid employees of the company are..

Your comment has been duly noted, and your name removed from my list of
possible nominees..

Oh... I'm crushed. I won't be able to kiss up. Darn it anyhow.

You needed to remove my comments before replying because?

a. Way too much truth.
b. MVP's think the Microsoft groups are there private little play pen.
c. It was darn embarrassing to Microsoft.
d. All of the above.

 

[Adam Albright]

All 6% of them? watching must take all of a few minutes..

LOL! Yep no kidding. People have long been lead to believe that Mac's
are the best at anything graphic. Well, no, that isn't true. Once upon
a time like 20 years ago yes, not any more. Take video editing for
example. About your only serious choice on the Mac platform is Final
Cut Pro and you'll pay a grossly bloated price.

On the Windows platform Sony offers Vegas along with dozens of other
offerings from other vendors, some also very good. Vegas runs rings
around Final Cut Pro in nearly every category and costs a third as
much and is vastly superior on the audio side which is half of
multimedia creation. Then there is GIMP and Virtual Dub, both totally
free and also both well up to the task depending on your needs.

Mac's fill a nitche market. Mostly uptight hippy type diehard losers
that subscribe to any kind of cult culture which explains why Apple
hasn't and never will be able to capture more than a tiny fraction of
the overall personal computer market.

Now if you want to compare operating systems, one of the best is
neither Windows or Mac. Its BeOs, its 64 bit and runs great. Too bad
it has next to zero support.

 

[Adam Albright]

although it's the high end 6% of the market, not the middle or bottom
that Windows resides in. and actually, the iPod is only about 40% of
revenue, the Mac is still the bread winner for the company.


nah, you are misreading him. he's the intellect of the industry, he's
the driving force that created the pc market and what pushes it forward.
sure he's very demanding and has extremely high standards, but that's
hardly a fault if you want the very best in life.

sounds like you don't want the best, so you are sticking to clunky
windows. it's your choice of course, but the smart people have all moved
to Macs and will never go back to poorly built windows machines.

Thanks for giving me a laugh. I actually met Jobs. He IS a prick in
every meaning of the word. Arrogant doesn't come close to describing
the guy. I bet you buy lottery tickets too and dream some day of being
rich. Well fella, I already am, can afford anything I want and NEVER
would a buy a Apple anything or even accept a Mac as a gift. And if
you're gullible enough to think that Mac's don't crash, lock up,
freeze, or just die, you know nothing about them at all.

They do have a clever string of commericals running though. That Billy
G look alike guy is pretty funny, but too fat. The real Billy G isn't
fat, but his hair is thining out.

 

[Zim Babwe]

Nobody would buy a PC for Productivity? Well, I work with a group of
programmers who use the PC to earn a living writing code. From what I've
heard, there are others who do the same

I get paid pretty well to be productive on a PC, so I must be in my RIGHT
MIND.

You are just another MAC pud pounder!

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User]

We don't kiss up.. we Endeavour to help users with problems..

a. Not applicable - no truth obvious
b. We get the award for voluntary community help..this is just one place..
c. not hardly - embarrassment is all yours

Your attitude would preclude your being an MVP I would hope, but it would be
interesting to see how you would react in reality, were you to be
nominated.. I don't think that you would turn it down.. of course, you will
disagree, if only to save face..

 

[Maverick]

Adam

I suggest that you look into what it takes to be nominated and
accepted/awarded before passing judgment.. one of the qualities that MS
like about MVP's is that we are blunt and honest, not being affiliated
to MS in the way that paid employees of the company are..

Your comment has been duly noted, and your name removed from my list of
possible nominees..

LOL!!


Anway, and hopefully, things will get sorted out and a possible FAQ page
will be published.

 

[Maverick]

It has the top portion of it's own market.. the only country where Apple
have any real foothold is the US, and even that is fairly tenuous..
their biggest selling point was always graphics, but a PC is almost as
good, if not as good these days.. the PC has come a long way over the
years.. Macs have stood still other than appear in some arcane case
designs.. pricing kills Macs, that and the lack of good software..

The pricing issues are now gone for the most part.
A nice dual core Intel now runs around $1200. The nice thing is that
everything on an iMac is integrated and guaranteed to run out of the
box. When Leopard is on the market there will be bootcamp that will
allow dual booting of either OS X or Vista. Microsoft actually likes
that idea as they will be able to sell more copies of Vista. Microsoft
doesn't sell PCs, just operating systems and software. So the Apple
hardware in the near future may be the best way to go. I have doubts
that Apple will sell OS X for general PCs, but then that may change as
well. Good competition will spur innovation, and innovation is this
countrys last frontier where our true wealth now lays.

 

[Adam Albright]

The pricing issues are now gone for the most part.
A nice dual core Intel now runs around $1200. The nice thing is that
everything on an iMac is integrated and guaranteed to run out of the
box. When Leopard is on the market there will be bootcamp that will
allow dual booting of either OS X or Vista. Microsoft actually likes
that idea as they will be able to sell more copies of Vista. Microsoft
doesn't sell PCs, just operating systems and software. So the Apple
hardware in the near future may be the best way to go. I have doubts
that Apple will sell OS X for general PCs, but then that may change as
well. Good competition will spur innovation, and innovation is this
countrys last frontier where our true wealth now lays.

What is a Mac freak doing in a Windows support group?

1. you're a fool
2. you're a troll
3. both

 

[Adam Albright]

We don't kiss up.. we Endeavour to help users with problems..

a. Not applicable - no truth obvious
b. We get the award for voluntary community help..this is just one place..
c. not hardly - embarrassment is all yours

Your attitude would preclude your being an MVP I would hope, but it would be
interesting to see how you would react in reality, were you to be
nominated.. I don't think that you would turn it down.. of course, you will
disagree, if only to save face..

Actually most people have lives, hanging out in some backwater
Microsoft group flashing your a MVP in order to get your bloated ego
stroked is rather lame...at least to most adults. Don't worry, I
won't hang around long. Its more fun watching pain dry.

 

[Guest]

As far as SATA issues, for sure you're not alone. There is a simple
fix that works for most. Go to BIOS and typically under Intergrated
Peripherals you'll see several options. In my Award Bios there are
four seperate entries. You need to disable SATA if that's a option or
if you have a choice between IDE and SATA, switch to IDE. This in no
way will harm your drives or data. It likely will make them run
slower, which is fine for installing Vista.

As far as the chicken and egg issue, yep there is one. Best work
around is keep visitng your motherboard web site and just wait till
they release VISTA drives for SATA controllers for your PARTICULAR MB
version. Mine just did about a week ago.

For many the issue is really Intel dropping the ball. Many
motherboards use Intel's ICH8R controller or similar. Do a web search
for Intel Matrix Storage Manager, for many links and specifics about
issues concerning same and getting files directly from the Intel site
if you can't wait for your motherboard vendor.

Regardless, STILL best to switch to IDE mode until Vista is up and
running, then you can play around and change to SATA mode since many
people have reported stop pages during install with inabled SATA
drives. I have yet to do that myself.

One caution. If you find SATA drivers suitable for your MB, best to
use those that support your current OS and Vista. If you can only find
Vista only drivers, DO NOT try to install until Vista is up and
running and just do what I said above, switch to IDE mode to install
Vista.

Once again, thank you for your response. Alas, since I'm trying to install
on a laptop, I don't have a choice to disable the SATA drive. It's the only
drive.
I have backed up all my files to a .bku file. If I was really, really sure
I could restore to my XP state, I would do a clean install just to see if it
works. Perhaps I'll try making a ghost image, since I can boot into ghost
from the optical drive and I think, see my USB hard drive for the image.

Sorry this thread has once again spun out of control.

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User]

Tony

Don't worry about it.. the trolls deserve their day too..

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User]

Adam

We have lives too.. many of us are still actively working in the industry..
this is all just voluntary..

You'll pardon me for not stroking your ego, fuelled as it is by rudeness and
dogma..

 

[Maverick]

What is a Mac freak doing in a Windows support group?

1. you're a fool
2. you're a troll
3. both

What's a winturd like you doing in an install newsgroup?
Mostly in here to rant and rave like a lunatic that you are.
But then you make so many false assumptions, that you are making
yourself look like the biggest fool in here by each post you make.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You are very clueless.

 

[EarthSchol]

Nobody would buy a PC for Productivity? Well, I work with a group of
programmers who use the PC to earn a living writing code. From what I've
heard, there are others who do the same

Ah, the key words are "programmer & productivity"... the actuality is
that programmers still working with Windows are around 90% "less
productive" creating code on a Windows machine than an OSX machine. The
tools dictate that. A 1000 seat company can become a 300 seat company if
they just get rid of all their Windows machines, they hire 3 less
programmers and 14 less support people and everyone is happy! Oh,
except people that don't want this to happen... thus you get companies
still wanting to waste money on old (IBM) Microsoft based equipment.

What lots of programmers don't YET understand is that... Windows has
nothing on the level of Xcode, thus Windows programmers are hugely
hamstrung in competing against OSX. Look at some OSX software.

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/

It took programmers 1/10 the time to create these, but are 90% better
than what can be made on Windows. Yep! it's shocking... when you see it.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/xcode/

I get paid pretty well to be productive on a PC, so I must be in my RIGHT
MIND.

Ah, but you are being paid by an inefficient company. No company that
strives to be the best still uses Windows as a development environment.

You are just another MAC pud pounder!

??? Not sure what you mean.

 

[Wegie]

LOL! Yep no kidding. People have long been lead to believe that Mac's
are the best at anything graphic. Well, no, that isn't true. Once upon
a time like 20 years ago yes, not any more. Take video editing for
example. About your only serious choice on the Mac platform is Final
Cut Pro and you'll pay a grossly bloated price.

Actually, about 70% of what you watch on Television / Video on the Web
and about 30% of movies was all done on a Mac. (90% of music you listen
to is done on a Mac)

Final Cut Pro is the standard of course and cost around 1/10th the price
of what used to be "standard". Apple has a long history of being the
LOWEST price provider in all things creative and this is just another
example.

On the Windows platform Sony offers Vegas along with dozens of other
offerings from other vendors, some also very good. Vegas runs rings
around Final Cut Pro in nearly every category and costs a third as
much and is vastly superior on the audio side which is half of
multimedia creation. Then there is GIMP and Virtual Dub, both totally
free and also both well up to the task depending on your needs.

No. Vegas is nothing like Final Cut, that's a "pro-sumer" application
like Final Cut Express. You have your applications mixed up.

$999

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/

$299

http://www.apple.com/finalcutexpress/

Mac's fill a nitche market. Mostly uptight hippy type diehard losers
that subscribe to any kind of cult culture which explains why Apple
hasn't and never will be able to capture more than a tiny fraction of
the overall personal computer market.

Generally it's the Geniuses of the world who use Macs, the poor, working
class that doesn't have a lot of education are the Windows users (by and
large) Apple is extreme in that it only provides the best tools in
certain categories... and I agree, that can piss off some people that
can't move up to that level. But, no.... Apple is the leader if you
desire the utmost in creative computing.

Now if you want to compare operating systems, one of the best is
neither Windows or Mac. Its BeOs, its 64 bit and runs great. Too bad
it has next to zero support.

He, he... BeOS... was marketed by a former Apple Engineer from France,
nuff said.

 

[Zim Babwe]

So the hundreds of thousands of PC programmers, major corporations, have it
all wrong and you are right? Give me a break. Us programmers understand
that leave the heavy lifting to Windows, and the music, photos, graphics to
the MAC.

Another thing, if you love the MAC so much, where are you here in
Vista-World?

 

[Rock]

Thank you for your reply. I came to this page thru
Microsoft.com/commutities not my newsreader. I see the blue MicroSoft
header and the 'Search Microsoft.com for:' at the top of every thread
along
with Quick Links, Home and Worldwide. And I had to sign in to post. I
guess
I mistakenly assumed this forum was monitored by Microsoft. I suppose
that
means there is no official support. Oh Well. I truly do appreciate
everyones time here.

And I did Try John Barnett's MVP site regarding installing Vista SATA
drivers. Unfortunatly (for me) it is impossible to install drivers at the
prompt he describes in the upgrade scenario (FAQ #26, upgrade step 10), as
the 'install drivers' button does not exist in the release version of
Vista.
Not that I even know that's what prevents my installation. There is no
explanation of stop 0x018 'reference by pointer' anywhere.

So, if, at some future time, there IS a hotfix for my install failure, I
wonder how I will install it? Need to be running Vista to install, Can't
install. Catch 22 and I'm not alone.

Tony, I don't know why you're not seeing the option to load drivers. It's
there for Vista RTM. MS does have free phone support on installation
problems if you have a retail version. If it's from an computer OEM they
are the support. A generic OEM and you are you're own support. I hope you
get it worked out.

Maybe post your issue again in a new post and add that it's the second
posting.

 

[Adam Albright]

Actually, about 70% of what you watch on Television / Video on the Web
and about 30% of movies was all done on a Mac. (90% of music you listen
to is done on a Mac)

Final Cut Pro is the standard of course and cost around 1/10th the price
of what used to be "standard". Apple has a long history of being the
LOWEST price provider in all things creative and this is just another
example.

Excuse me, you're full of s.... The "standard" was and remains Avid.
You can't afford it and you won't find it in stores. It costs more
than a car. A expensive car. Now run along kid.

http://www.avid.com/products/broadcast/index.asp

 

[BSchnur]

Your comment has been duly noted, and your name removed from my list of

possible nominees..

Oh goodie -- food fight. <smile>.