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mick
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
Anyone know if it's *all* the microsoft groups. Be a great shame
if they do.
mick
Anyone know if it's *all* the microsoft groups. Be a great shame
if they do.
mick
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Jeff Johnson
Eventually all, yes. I was going to create a thread asking the regulars here
where they intended to go. I'll guess I'll hijack yours to do so....
I might consider StackOverflow. But I'll miss NNTP. I don't give a rat's
patoot about badges, voting, or any of that Web forum crap. Give me a
high-speed, flexible newsreader over prestige any day.
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Arne Vajhøj
Usually usenet groups are not depending on any company.
Could usenet continue to carry the groups without MS support?
Would it be impossible but possible if the names were changed
to not contain "microsoft"?
Arne
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Tom Shelton
For now - I will probably visit StackOverflow a bit more regular. I've
also been usign the MSDN forums periodically - they aren't that bad...
But, I'm really going to miss my nntp
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Bert Hyman
In Arne Vajhøj
Sure. It's not as if there's any real MS support now.
Well, there are scores of orphaned newsgroups in the abandoned "ibm",
"netscape", "adobe", "intel" and other corporate hierarchies.
It would be impossible to stamp them out.
Sure. It's not as if there's any real MS support now.
Well, there are scores of orphaned newsgroups in the abandoned "ibm",
"netscape", "adobe", "intel" and other corporate hierarchies.
It would be impossible to stamp them out.
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Arne Vajhøj
Do we need to do anything to make that happen or will
the MS NNTP server (with the gateway) just drop out
and all the other NNTP server continue on their merry
wait without knowing anything about it?
Arne
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Mark Rae [MVP]
Well said! Agreed 100% on all points.
Microsoft now consider newsgroups to be old-fashioned, and are much more
interested in pointless and irrelevant blogs, Facebook and Twitter.
It is very, very sad...
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Mark Rae [MVP]
Microsoft will switch off their news server eventually.
However, if another news server was set up with the same (or similar)
newsgroups, I'd support it wholeheartedly...
I have no interest whatsoever in blogs, Facebook, Twitter or web-based
forums...
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Arne Vajhøj
What do you mean by "was set up with the same".
My understanding is that all NNTP servers are equal - there
are no masters. And lots of NNTP servers already carry
the ms groups today.
Arne
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Peter Duniho
Arne said:
Correct!
Microsoft might, or might not, send out a "remove group" message for
each of their "microsoft.public.*" newsgroups. ISPs that are currently
already carrying those newsgroups (which as far as I know are most if
not all of the major ones, including Google, Supernews, and Giganews)
might, or might not, respect the "remove group" messages.
As with "cancel" messages, because of net vandals there has been a trend
for NNTP server admins to disable support for those types of messages.
But it's possible that even for those ISPs that have disabled support
for those messages, for a sweeping change like this, the ISPs might go
ahead and manually remove the newsgroups.
So, after all is said and done, if Microsoft does not explicitly attempt
to remove the newsgroups, or if they do then for those ISPs that ignore
that, the newsgroups will remain accessible through those ISPs that
still carry the newsgroups.
Pete
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Family Tree Mike
My order of preference would be:
1. Some other group maintaining this NNTP feed.
2. StackOverflow - it seems to be well run, and comes up in searches
more often (it seems) than the MS forums.
3. The MS forums - I'm sure I could get accustomed to them.
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Arne Vajhøj
And even those that did delete could potentially add the groups
back at popular demand.
Arne
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Peter Duniho
Arne said:
That's true. But I doubt there would be the demand, nor enough interest
on the part of the news server admins to revisit the decision once they
removed the groups.
The fact is, anyone who started using a computer after the web browser
was invented is relatively unlikely to ever even consider expanding
their horizon much beyond that browser, no matter what benefits might be
present for them. The consequence is that relatively speaking, demand
for newsgroups is dwindling, and is likely to only drop further.
And for the admins' part, they are most likely to follow the same sort
of single-minded decision-making that has led to Microsoft's ill-advised
pursuit of their client-side-only "NNTP bridge" is likely to result in
any news server admin that does decide to remove the groups to strongly
resist any effort to add them back again, lest they admit any mistake on
their part.
Pete
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Marc Gravell
I might consider StackOverflow.
All comers are welcome
As a usenet devotee for years (on this forum), I felt the same -
having tried various sites. But when I went to SO I found the
transition very clean and painless.
Fine; but it is still a great resource for asking and answering
questions. Just ignore that side of it if you like ;-p
Marc Gravell
(stackoverflow devotee, and previously
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp regular)
All comers are welcome
As a usenet devotee for years (on this forum), I felt the same -
having tried various sites. But when I went to SO I found the
transition very clean and painless.
Fine; but it is still a great resource for asking and answering
questions. Just ignore that side of it if you like ;-p
Marc Gravell
(stackoverflow devotee, and previously
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp regular)
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News123
I'd love ato continue with nntp.
What had to be done to
move all the groups from
microsoft.pbulic.* to for example
alt.microsoft.* ?
Being located under alt should clearly indicate, that it's not microsoft
who created thos entries, but that it's just people liking to talk about
microsoft.
The only porblem would be, that one had convince all the major nntp
service providers to agree to this 'prune' and graft.
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What had to be done to
move all the groups from
microsoft.pbulic.* to for example
alt.microsoft.* ?
Being located under alt should clearly indicate, that it's not microsoft
who created thos entries, but that it's just people liking to talk about
microsoft.
The only porblem would be, that one had convince all the major nntp
service providers to agree to this 'prune' and graft.
N
K
Konrad Neitzel
Hi rossum,
rossum wrote on 06.05.10
in microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp
Yeah. I agree to that. This seems to be the cleanest solution.
But would be nice to hear more options about that. At the moment I am also
thinking of using the nntp bridge to the forums that microsoft also
offers.
Konrad
rossum wrote on 06.05.10
in microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp
Yeah. I agree to that. This seems to be the cleanest solution.
But would be nice to hear more options about that. At the moment I am also
thinking of using the nntp bridge to the forums that microsoft also
offers.
Konrad
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Chris Dunaway
You might point out that the function of voting on Stackoverflow.com
is not just for personal "rep". It's so that the best answers to
questions "rise to the top".
Chris
C
Chris Dunaway
Wouldn't you be starting from scratch then? All that message history
that currently exists would be lost, wouldn't it?
Chris
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Arne Vajhøj
If it is an ISP news service then yes.
But because many ISP has been closing down their news services, then
some dedicated news services are showing up.
They have heard about usenet, because that is all they do.
And they are likely to be sympathetic for adding a group
like this (text content, developer oriented, no copyright
issues - that is what they like).
Arne
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Peter Duniho
Arne said:
My observation from the handful of ISPs I deal with is that they simply
contract out to Giganews or Supernews if they want to provide their
users with NNTP access.
There's very little real competition in that space, as far as I can
tell. If Giganews and Supernews decide to keep the newsgroups, then
that will probably be enough to keep them healthy (well, as healthy as
they can be with fewer and fewer people choosing NNTP as their protocol
of choice).
If those two don't decide to keep the newsgroups, I don't think the
way-smaller ones will be enough to keep them going.
Of course, only time will tell one way or the other. I guess we'll just
have to wait and see.
Pete