Microsoft accused of using deceptive marketing to tout Vista

[Justin]

It's free here:

http://www.ubuntu.com/

and here:

http://www.pclinuxos.com

Alias, who would never buy a Dell or HP or Packard Smell or ...

The TOPIC is RETAIL machines that are being sold with the promise that Vista
will run.

You need to learn to compare like items.

No one is discussing someone buying a barebones machine and later obtaining
Vista/Linux.

So, when you compare someone buying a Vista machine from a RETAIL vendor
with buying a Linux machine from a RETAIL vendor then the same promises made
of Linux in the previous example apply. The customer is PAYING for a
machine and promises have been made. Do you really think the customer gives
a rats rear as to how much the OS costs? They usualy never see a price
regardless of what OS is distributed.

 

[Justin]

I read the subject lines.. if I see something posted I dont repost it..

but if you expect me to do a search for keywords to check if something is
posted, its not gonna happen..

anway this was important.. having it posted twice is not a bad idea...

Yes, it is. It creates confusion and is an irresponsible waste of server
space. You should be more considerate.

 

[Dustin Harper]

Also, Ubuntu (among others) have a LiveCD that you can run the OS from a CD
without messing up your Windows install. Just to test it out and see if you
like it. While not as fast as installing it on your hard drive, you can get
a good feel of it.

We all have the option to switch. But, if people are whining about
compatibility for both software and hardware, they might want to stick with
XP for a while... Linux is a bit worse than Vista on that front (even with
Wine).

--
Dustin Harper
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.vistarip.com

--

 

[kirk jim]

On the other post you said you didn't care ...

If you want a serious answer... then here it is...

I started off as a vista basher only since not many people in here had
problems... it was more of a debate about vista type of thing, now as
problems roll in I am starting to help people as you may see some of my
posts.. with time I will only post help and advice....

I am NOT a vista hater, nor a linux fanatic or a mac osx worshiper...

It may come to a surprise to you that I actually advise people to get new
computers with vista on them
if they are getting a new computer.

I must add that I have helped the Microsoft users with XP for years
giving advice for free.. and I have never been harsh like this..

Vista to me was a disappointment since I believe Microsoft should have done
a better job
FAR FAR FAR FAR better job!

Many people call me a troll.. but this is totally incorrect. I am not a
troll.

I can understand that many people fall hastily into that conclusion.. but
then why
am I interested also in helping people?

It just doesn't add up does it?

 

[Alias]

The TOPIC is RETAIL machines that are being sold with the promise that
Vista will run.

I was responding to another comment. Please read for content.

You need to learn to compare like items.

I don't need to do anything of the kind.

No one is discussing someone buying a barebones machine and later
obtaining Vista/Linux.

I wasn't either.

So, when you compare someone buying a Vista machine from a RETAIL vendor
with buying a Linux machine from a RETAIL vendor then the same promises
made of Linux in the previous example apply. The customer is PAYING for
a machine and promises have been made. Do you really think the customer
gives a rats rear as to how much the OS costs? They usualy never see a
price regardless of what OS is distributed.

You must have some pretty stupid clients but that's not surprising. Who
else would hire you?

Alias

 

[Alias]

Yes, it is. It creates confusion and is an irresponsible waste of server
space. You should be more considerate.

YOU are preaching against using too much bandwidth?

Now, *that's* funny!

Alias

 

[Dustin Harper]

With some of the comments, it does look like you are a Vista basher/hater.
There seems to be more bashing than helping. And telling people to jump ship
at the first problem and go to Linux would be a disaster. If they can't get
Vista running, how hard is it going to be if they have to manually edit
fstab or others?

Advising people to go with Vista on a new machine is good. But, if they have
programs or hardware that won't work: I'll gladly tell them to go with XP.
It's a matter of what works and what doesn't. Older machines, though.
Depends on the hardware. If it's recent enough to run Vista, go for it. If
it requires a huge upgrade, probably not (unless they were upgrading
hardware anyway).

You say you used the Vista beta... Did you use the XP beta? It was just as
buggy and ran like hell on a K6/2-233. Final product did ok. SP2 was what
really made XP a great OS. I liked XP from the start, though. Vista has it's
issues, but it's nothing to jump ship over.

--
Dustin Harper
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.vistarip.com

--

 

[Bill]

I care. I understand you. Trolling in murky waters can be fun,
especially on an otherwise dull day. And these here waters are pretty
murky.

 

[kirk jim]

Im not trolling...

I care. I understand you. Trolling in murky waters can be fun,
especially on an otherwise dull day. And these here waters are pretty
murky.

 

[Bill]

I was just being facetious. Besides, it was you that wanted the
sympathy. I gave it and now you complain. Sniff...

 

[Justin]

I was responding to another comment. Please read for content.

You specifically responded to my post with Linux links.

I don't need to do anything of the kind.

Then your post was worthless.

You must have some pretty stupid clients but that's not surprising. Who
else would hire you?

Clients? Hire? What does that have to do with Dell or HP or any other
vendor that sells Linux machine? Get it in gear. You are way out in left
field.


The TOPIC is RETAIL machines that are being sold with the promise that Vista
will run.

You need to learn to compare like items.

No one is discussing someone buying a barebones machine and later obtaining
Vista/Linux.

So, when you compare someone buying a Vista machine from a RETAIL vendor
with buying a Linux machine from a RETAIL vendor then the same promises made
of Linux in the previous example apply. The customer is PAYING for a
machine and promises have been made. Do you really think the customer gives
a rats rear as to how much the OS costs? They usualy never see a price
regardless of what OS is distributed.

 

[Justin]

I read the subject lines.. if I see something posted I dont repost it..

but if you expect me to do a search for keywords to check if something is
posted, its not gonna happen..

anway this was important.. having it posted twice is not a bad idea...

Yes, it is. It creates confusion and is an irresponsible waste of server
space. You should be more considerate.

 

[Alias]

You specifically responded to my post with Linux links.


Then your post was worthless.


Clients? Hire? What does that have to do with Dell or HP or any other
vendor that sells Linux machine? Get it in gear. You are way out in
left field.


The TOPIC is RETAIL machines that are being sold with the promise that
Vista
will run.

You need to learn to compare like items.

No one is discussing someone buying a barebones machine and later obtaining
Vista/Linux.

So, when you compare someone buying a Vista machine from a RETAIL vendor
with buying a Linux machine from a RETAIL vendor then the same promises
made
of Linux in the previous example apply. The customer is PAYING for a
machine and promises have been made. Do you really think the customer
gives
a rats rear as to how much the OS costs? They usualy never see a price
regardless of what OS is distributed.

Since when are you the one who decides what others post?

Alias

 

[Alias]

Yes, it is. It creates confusion and is an irresponsible waste of server
space. You should be more considerate.

YOU are preaching against using too much bandwidth!?

Now, *that's* funny!

Alias

 

[Jeanette]

This part got me:


So, Vista Basic is the one being advertised as "Vista"? Um. Yes, it is.
Anyone who disputes that is retarded. Aero is not Vista, BitLocker is
not Vista, DreamScene is not Vista. They are additional features
available in a different version.

I think I should sue because I can get Damn Small Linux (under 50MB for
those that want a small version of Linux!) but it doesn't have GNOME,
KDE, OpenOffice included. Sure, they aren't included in that distro, but
I was confused. I didn't get it... I should have gotten Ubuntu (damn
fine OS, in my opinion) for that. But, was I mislead? NO. I was ignorant
and didn't do my research. So "Linux" is the kernel, while the full
distro can vary... Hmmm. Different versions? No way.

Jeanette wrote:

No you can't sue but you can ask for your money back from DSL

 

[Justin]

I was responding to another comment. Please read for content.

You specifically responded to my post with Linux links.

I don't need to do anything of the kind.

Then your post was worthless.

You must have some pretty stupid clients but that's not surprising. Who
else would hire you?

Clients? Hire? What does that have to do with Dell or HP or any other
vendor that sells Linux machine? Get it in gear. You are way out in left
field.


The TOPIC is RETAIL machines that are being sold with the promise that Vista
will run.

You need to learn to compare like items.

No one is discussing someone buying a barebones machine and later obtaining
Vista/Linux.

So, when you compare someone buying a Vista machine from a RETAIL vendor
with buying a Linux machine from a RETAIL vendor then the same promises made
of Linux in the previous example apply. The customer is PAYING for a
machine and promises have been made. Do you really think the customer gives
a rats rear as to how much the OS costs? They usualy never see a price
regardless of what OS is distributed.

 

[Justin]

I read the subject lines.. if I see something posted I dont repost it..

but if you expect me to do a search for keywords to check if something is
posted, its not gonna happen..

anway this was important.. having it posted twice is not a bad idea...

Yes, it is. It creates confusion and is an irresponsible waste of server
space. You should be more considerate.

 

[Alias]

Yes, it is. It creates confusion and is an irresponsible waste of server
space. You should be more considerate.

You've posted this three times, speaking of wasting bandwidth. In fact
most of your messages are wasted bandwidth being as you never contribute
anything worthwhile and your ill informed posts create confusion and are
an irresponsible waste of server space. You should be more considerate
and stop posting drivel.

Alias

 

[Alias]

You specifically responded to my post with Linux links.


Then your post was worthless.


Clients? Hire? What does that have to do with Dell or HP or any other
vendor that sells Linux machine? Get it in gear. You are way out in left
field.


The TOPIC is RETAIL machines that are being sold with the promise that
Vista
will run.

You need to learn to compare like items.

No one is discussing someone buying a barebones machine and later obtaining
Vista/Linux.

So, when you compare someone buying a Vista machine from a RETAIL vendor
with buying a Linux machine from a RETAIL vendor then the same promises
made
of Linux in the previous example apply. The customer is PAYING for a
machine and promises have been made. Do you really think the customer
gives
a rats rear as to how much the OS costs? They usualy never see a price
regardless of what OS is distributed.

Since when are you the one who decides what others post?

Alias

 

[Justin]

I was responding to another comment. Please read for content.

You specifically responded to my post with Linux links.

I don't need to do anything of the kind.

Then your post was worthless.

You must have some pretty stupid clients but that's not surprising. Who
else would hire you?

Clients? Hire? What does that have to do with Dell or HP or any other
vendor that sells Linux machine? Get it in gear. You are way out in left
field.


The TOPIC is RETAIL machines that are being sold with the promise that Vista
will run.

You need to learn to compare like items.

No one is discussing someone buying a barebones machine and later obtaining
Vista/Linux.

So, when you compare someone buying a Vista machine from a RETAIL vendor
with buying a Linux machine from a RETAIL vendor then the same promises made
of Linux in the previous example apply. The customer is PAYING for a
machine and promises have been made. Do you really think the customer gives
a rats rear as to how much the OS costs? They usualy never see a price
regardless of what OS is distributed.