Microsoft Mulls Upgrade Coupons For Vista Around Holidays

M

MICHAEL

http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/for5/200608171502DOWJONESDJONLINE000772_FORTUNE5.htm

August 17, 2006
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is in talks with its partners about offering computer buyers coupons
that could allow those who purchase new PCs around the holidays to upgrade for free to its
upcoming Windows Vista operating system.

Vista isn't expected to reach consumers until January and some industry watchers have expressed
concern the release date could weigh on sales of PCs during the important holiday season.

"We are talking with all our partners about plans for an offer, but those discussions are
ongoing and we have nothing more to share at this time," a spokesperson for Redmond,
Wash.-based Microsoft said.


--
Michael
______
"The trouble ain't that there is too many fools,
but that the lightning ain't distributed right."
- Mark Twain
 
C

Colin Barnhorst

This would be pretty standard practice. I had a coupon from Compaq for my
laptop I bought just before XP came out that upgraded ME to XP. Great
promo, but there were real limitations. For one, it did not include a copy
of XP, just a restore type cd. Also, ME had to be on the drive before the
cd would work. And of course there was no way to get anything but Home. I
wound up buying my own Pro, doing a clean installation, and then getting the
drivers and utilities from the Compaq site. It seems that an upgrade from
ME made for a problematical XP for me.
 
C

Chad Harris

MSFT has absolutely no choice. Crossing your fingers has nothing to do with
it. Every qualitypredictor is that sales and migration are now projected
way down. News is out that MVPs and Major book authors have torn apart the
arrogant roadmap drop the byzantine and convoluted branches of RC1 around
Sept. 7 or so, and then a little more than a month later to slap lipstick on
a systemically very sick pig and call it Vista.

The slide projecting 400 million Vista desktops in 24 months MSFT was
privately circulating has pretty much fallen on the wishful thinking scrap
heap.


Corporations Look Before They Leap to Vista [You can bet your round
little start button in megathousands of numbers they will when they realize
how sick it is]:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1941463,00.asp

"Large businesses will get the first crack at upgrading to Microsoft's
new Windows Vista operating system. But chances are that they'll still be
the last to widely adopt it."


Vista is Constantly Having to Say We're Sorry and Lame/MSFT Reparations
Schemes
MSFT gets into the semantics game:

Opinion: When is a reparation not a reparation? Apparently, when it's a
"customer incentive" program.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000814,00.asp

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2003474,00.asp

"
Instead, Microsoft has chosen to trot out Sunny Jensen Charlebois, the
product manager for its worldwide licensing and pricing group, to anyone who
will listen, so she can deny that any such thing is planned, and to
reinforce the message they want heard, which is that Microsoft always offers
programs to drive adoption when it rolls out a new Windows operating system.

Here are more details on exactly what Microsoft told us—based on a
transcript of an interview with Allison Watson, the corporate vice president
of Microsoft's Worldwide Partner Group, which I recorded at the annual
Microsoft worldwide partner conference in Boston in July.

When asked how Microsoft planned to address the fact that the delay in
releasing products like Vista and Office would significantly impact partners
and their customers who have volume licensing agreements and Software
Assurance, Watson said: "We have already identified all of the customers who
fall into these buckets and associated partners.

"And, starting two months ago, the worldwide field was empowered with offers
and incentives and a commitment to partner and customer satisfaction around
these issues," she said.

Watson did, however, also try to downplay the effect of product delays on
enterprise customers with volume licensing agreements, and the partners who
work with them, saying that for them it is less about when a piece of
software ships and more about how the software is delivered and supported
and affects the entire product family and their platform."


Gartner Blog : MSFT in Stonewall Mode and the Shoes Will Drop on it Hard
http://vista.blog.gartner.com/blog/index.php?itemid=1107

August, 2006 04:38 PM EST
Microsoft Says "No" to Reparations for SA Customers Due to Vista, Office
Slips
Posted By: Michael Silver, Research VP
"Microsoft has sold its Software Assurance (SA) program largely based on a
“Trust Me” platform. The company doesn't guarantee that a new version of a
product will be delivered during the term of the customer’s SA contract.
Although Microsoft has tried to add value to SA since it was first announced
in 2001 (when the only benefits were new product versions and spread
payments), for most organizations, unless they get new software releases, a
three-year SA agreement does not make financial sense. They have had to
trust that Microsoft would ship a new release during their contracts or
would add sufficient value to make it not matter. For many customers that
renewed Office SA in September, October, and probably November 2003,
Microsoft has done neither. These customers got Office 2003 as part of their
prior SA and will not get Office 2007 unless they renew. Most Windows client
SA holders have not gotten a new release during their last renewal, either,
due to Windows Vista’s delays, but it’s the Office 2007 slip that’s bringing
this issue to a head.


I spoke with a client in this predicament recently. This client has tens of
thousands of users and paid Microsoft millions of dollars for Office SA
during the past three years. Understandably, this client is not happy. Thus
far, Microsoft is stonewalling the customer's request to "make good" before
discussing renewal. Press reports on 8 August indicated that Microsoft was
finally relenting, but Microsoft insists that this is not the case. As
previously, company says it is discussing the situation on a one-to-one
basis, but thus far, our reports indicate that Microsoft will not discuss
the issue unless it is in the context of a new renewal. Understandably,
companies want satisfaction before they even think about renewing. Does this
fall into the realm of "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on
me"?"


They are in big sales trouble and they know it. They will be making
concessions out the wazoo, and they will increase exponentially when a
significant number of people who know how to drill Vista at the surface and
open the hood start analytically cataloging failed features.

Right now, this moment, in 5506 and the daily builds beyond, they cannot
get Win RE their major recovery tool to work reliable a signifcant percent
of the time, nor can they make another old standby as a repair tool since
Win 98 SFC (Windows File Protection) work in their daily Vista builds.
Help is very incomplete; and extremly signficant is the fact that every
build is having a slow explorer shell response and the explorer shell is
unstable and breaks causing not only multiple Windows Explorer Problems but
also internet connectivity problems necessitating frequent workarounds to
run IE as elevated at first and then used tabbed browsing to continue
opening windows.

Marketing is lamely turning to a very flawed deployment, UAC which is gong
to cause huge consternation and huge help desk time wastes and huge home and
small business confusion, and such pre-teen targets as Side Bar gadgets
which have been around since the 1980's free by 3rd party with exponentially
more sophisticated functionality and such superficial features that add
little to the OS's working like Aero Glass. They sure have gotten more than
their bang out of Aero Glass. They are also redduced to marketing something
as lame as putting Windows Live links into Vista, for those not able to
learn and type www.live.com which is a very sophistcated and complex url to
commit to memory.

These superficial features, hardly needed, are a great diversion from the
train wreck Vista has evolved to.

CH

Congratulations USA "Numbers of Civilian Deaths Highest ever in July in
Iraq" You have the highest quality killing machine Bush and his morons can
manufacture.

Number of Civilian Deaths Highest in July, Iraqis Say
By EDWARD WONG and DAMIEN CAVE
New York Times
August 16, 2006
Casualties
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 15 — July appears to have been the deadliest month of
the war for Iraqi civilians, according to figures from the Health Ministry
and the Baghdad morgue, reinforcing criticism that the Baghdad security plan
started in June by the new government has failed.

An average of more than 110 Iraqis were killed each day in July, according
to the figures. The total number of civilian deaths that month, 3,438, is a
9 percent increase over the tally in June and nearly double the toll in
January.

The rising numbers suggested that sectarian violence is spiraling out of
control, and seemed to bolster an assertion many senior Iraqi officials and
American military analysts have made in recent months: that the country is
already embroiled in a civil war, not just slipping toward one, and that the
American-led forces are caught between Sunni Arab guerrillas and Shiite
militias.

The numbers also provide the most definitive evidence yet that the Baghdad
security plan started by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki on June 14 has
not quelled the violence. The plan, promoted by top Iraqi and American
officials at the time, relied on setting up more Iraqi-run checkpoints to
stymie insurgents.

The officials have since acknowledged that the plan has fallen far short of
its aims, forcing the American military to add thousands of soldiers to the
capital this month and to back away from proposals for a withdrawal of some
troops by year’s end.

The Baghdad morgue reported receiving 1,855 bodies in July, more than half
of the total deaths recorded in the country. The morgue tally for July was
an 18 percent increase over June.

The American ambassador said in an interview last week that Iraq’s political
leaders had failed to use their influence fully to rein in the soaring
violence, and that people associated with the government were stoking the
flames of sectarian hatred.

“I think the time has come for these leaders to take responsibility with
regard to sectarian violence, to the security of Baghdad at the present
time,” said the ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad

The American military in recent weeks has been especially eager to prove
that Baghdad can be tamed if American troops are added to the streets and
take a more active role — in effect, a repudiation of earlier efforts to
turn over security more quickly to Iraqis.

The American command has added nearly 4,000 American soldiers to Baghdad by
extending the tour of a combat brigade. Under a new security plan aimed at
overhauling Mr. Maliki’s efforts, some of the city’s most violent southern
and western areas are now virtually occupied block-to-block by American and
Iraqi forces, with entire neighborhoods transformed into miniature police
states after being sealed off by blast walls and concertina wire.

When the tally for civilian deaths in July is added to the Iraqi government
numbers for earlier months obtained by the United Nations, the total
indicates that at least 17,776 Iraqi civilians died violently in the first
seven months of this year, or an average of 2,539 per month.

The Health Ministry did not provide figures for people wounded by attacks in
Baghdad but said that at least 3,597 Iraqis were hurt outside the city in
July, a 25 percent increase over June.

United Nations officials and military analysts say the morgue and ministry
numbers almost certainly reflect severe undercounting, caused by the
haphazard nature of information in a war zone.

Many casualties in areas outside Baghdad probably never appear in the
official count, said Anthony H. Cordesman, a military analyst at the Center
for Strategic and International Studies, a research group in Washington.
That helps explain why fatalities in Baghdad appear to account for such a
large percentage of the total number, he said in a recent report.

The United Nations has been tracking civilian casualty figures by collating
numbers from the Health Ministry and Baghdad morgue. Last month, it
announced that the Iraqi government’s numbers indicated that 3,149 violent
deaths had occurred in June, or an average of more than 100 per day.

The statistics were significantly higher than previous civilian death tolls,
and indicated that the news media had drastically underreported the level of
violence in Iraq. The United States government and military have declined to
release overall figures on Iraqi civilian casualties, or even say whether
they are keeping count.

But Iraqi and American officials agree that civilian deaths had been much
lower before wide-scale sectarian violence erupted after the Feb. 22 bombing
of a Shiite shrine in Samarra, and has only gotten worse.

In recent weeks, Ambassador Khalilzad and top generals have warned that the
country could slide toward full-blown civil war, especially if the capital
continued fragmenting into ethnic or sectarian enclaves controlled by
militias, as has been happening for months.

Much of the responsibility rests on Iraqi politicians, many of whom have
ties to militias, Mr. Khalilzad said. “I believe that there have been forces
associated with people in the government from both the Shia and Sunni sides
that have participated in this,” he said of the violence.

Iraqi politicians are furiously lashing out at one another. On Monday, the
speaker of Parliament, a conservative Sunni Arab, said he was considering
stepping down because of animosity from the Kurdish and Shiite political
blocs.

The move to oust the speaker, Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, appears to have thrown
the Sunni Arab bloc he belongs to, the Iraqi Consensus Front, into disarray.
On Tuesday, a senior member of the bloc, Khalaf al-Elayan, said the bloc
rejected any call for Mr. Mashhadani’s resignation. Another Sunni leader,
Adnan al-Dulaimi, said in an interview that Mr. Mashhadani should step down.
Mr. Dulaimi is considered a possible replacement.

In Karbala, Shiite gunmen and Iraqi military forces exchanged gunfire for
several hours near one of Iraq’s holiest Shiite shrines. Witnesses said the
fighting forced the Iraqi Army to block entrances to the city and impose a
curfew, prohibiting all cars and warning residents not to carry guns.

In Mosul, a suicide bomber detonated a truck packed with explosives, killing
at least 5 civilians and wounding nearly 50 near the offices of the
Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the party of President Jalal Talabani.

One of the deadliest attacks in recent weeks took place in southern Baghdad
on Sunday night, when bombs, mortars and rockets killed at least 57 people
in a Shiite neighborhood, according to Iraqi officials. The American
military said Tuesday that the death toll had grown to at least 63 and that
the cause had been identified: two car bombs that ignited a gas line.

A day earlier, the American military had said the deaths were due solely to
a gas-main explosion and not to any attack. A spokesman now says that
conclusion was based on “incomplete information.”

The well-organized attack came despite the fact that American and Iraqi
troops have flooded areas of southern Baghdad.

Sahar Nageeb and Qais Mizher contributed reporting for this article.
 
D

deebs

Ah well, it looks like full version retail still?

I must admit I encountered difficulties with OEM variant OSs.

XP Pro retail gave me a whole new and stable machine.
 
C

Chad Harris

My experience has been OK with the OEM OS's when they're genuine and
espeically when they're the MSFT OEM versions.. I see them at computer
shows sold by software companies all the time at reduced prices--I'd call
crudely surplus that has been collected.

It's been with OEM recovery discs and partitions that are simply code short
that don't do repair installs the way I can get done almost every time if a
Linux bootloader isn't blocking setup (nothing against Linux multiboots at
all--it just can get in the way of a Windows XP repair install or partitions
aren't severely damaged (and both these are relatively uncommon).

CH
 
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Lang Murphy

I work on a project which has 400K + clients (yeah, not a typo). They, the
customer, are already screaming for Vista. Not for Aero. For security.
That's a tenth of the projected Vista desktops. And, yeah, all 400K won't
get Vista at one time, but it's a target, a projection, if you will. Most
home users will want Vista for the flashy stuff, Aero in all its glory.
Nothing wrong with that...

<Sidebar ON>

I'm downloading SUSE 10.1. I've been downloading it now for about 20 hours.
About 100MB's to go and it'll be another 45 minutes. Or so the D/L
progression dlg box tells me. What's that have to do with Vista? Not much,
but, from an end user POV, geez, I D/L'd Vista in a couple of hours. SUSE
distro point must be low bandwidth or not able to handle the traffic.
WhatEVER! Most folks would've given up by now. And, yes, others may be
seeing faster D/L times... but this is my experience and it ain't great. And
we'll see what kind of "Out of Box" experience I have when I install SUSE
Linux. Somehow, I think the Vista BETA will hold up pretty good to the SUSE
production code.

<Sidebar OFF>

Lang

Chad Harris said:
MSFT has absolutely no choice. Crossing your fingers has nothing to do
with it. Every qualitypredictor is that sales and migration are now
projected way down. News is out that MVPs and Major book authors have torn
apart the arrogant roadmap drop the byzantine and convoluted branches of
RC1 around Sept. 7 or so, and then a little more than a month later to
slap lipstick on a systemically very sick pig and call it Vista.

The slide projecting 400 million Vista desktops in 24 months MSFT was
privately circulating has pretty much fallen on the wishful thinking scrap
heap.


Corporations Look Before They Leap to Vista [You can bet your round
little start button in megathousands of numbers they will when they
realize how sick it is]:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1941463,00.asp

"Large businesses will get the first crack at upgrading to
Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system. But chances are that
they'll still be the last to widely adopt it."


Vista is Constantly Having to Say We're Sorry and Lame/MSFT Reparations
Schemes
MSFT gets into the semantics game:

Opinion: When is a reparation not a reparation? Apparently, when it's a
"customer incentive" program.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000814,00.asp

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2003474,00.asp

"
Instead, Microsoft has chosen to trot out Sunny Jensen Charlebois, the
product manager for its worldwide licensing and pricing group, to anyone
who will listen, so she can deny that any such thing is planned, and to
reinforce the message they want heard, which is that Microsoft always
offers programs to drive adoption when it rolls out a new Windows
operating system.

Here are more details on exactly what Microsoft told us-based on a
transcript of an interview with Allison Watson, the corporate vice
president of Microsoft's Worldwide Partner Group, which I recorded at the
annual Microsoft worldwide partner conference in Boston in July.

When asked how Microsoft planned to address the fact that the delay in
releasing products like Vista and Office would significantly impact
partners and their customers who have volume licensing agreements and
Software Assurance, Watson said: "We have already identified all of the
customers who fall into these buckets and associated partners.

"And, starting two months ago, the worldwide field was empowered with
offers and incentives and a commitment to partner and customer
satisfaction around these issues," she said.

Watson did, however, also try to downplay the effect of product delays on
enterprise customers with volume licensing agreements, and the partners
who work with them, saying that for them it is less about when a piece of
software ships and more about how the software is delivered and supported
and affects the entire product family and their platform."


Gartner Blog : MSFT in Stonewall Mode and the Shoes Will Drop on it Hard
http://vista.blog.gartner.com/blog/index.php?itemid=1107

August, 2006 04:38 PM EST
Microsoft Says "No" to Reparations for SA Customers Due to Vista, Office
Slips
Posted By: Michael Silver, Research VP
"Microsoft has sold its Software Assurance (SA) program largely based on a
"Trust Me" platform. The company doesn't guarantee that a new version of a
product will be delivered during the term of the customer's SA contract.
Although Microsoft has tried to add value to SA since it was first
announced in 2001 (when the only benefits were new product versions and
spread payments), for most organizations, unless they get new software
releases, a three-year SA agreement does not make financial sense. They
have had to trust that Microsoft would ship a new release during their
contracts or would add sufficient value to make it not matter. For many
customers that renewed Office SA in September, October, and probably
November 2003, Microsoft has done neither. These customers got Office 2003
as part of their prior SA and will not get Office 2007 unless they renew.
Most Windows client SA holders have not gotten a new release during their
last renewal, either, due to Windows Vista's delays, but it's the Office
2007 slip that's bringing this issue to a head.


I spoke with a client in this predicament recently. This client has tens
of thousands of users and paid Microsoft millions of dollars for Office SA
during the past three years. Understandably, this client is not happy.
Thus far, Microsoft is stonewalling the customer's request to "make good"
before discussing renewal. Press reports on 8 August indicated that
Microsoft was finally relenting, but Microsoft insists that this is not
the case. As previously, company says it is discussing the situation on a
one-to-one basis, but thus far, our reports indicate that Microsoft will
not discuss the issue unless it is in the context of a new renewal.
Understandably, companies want satisfaction before they even think about
renewing. Does this fall into the realm of "fool me once, shame on you,
fool me twice, shame on me"?"


They are in big sales trouble and they know it. They will be making
concessions out the wazoo, and they will increase exponentially when a
significant number of people who know how to drill Vista at the surface
and open the hood start analytically cataloging failed features.

Right now, this moment, in 5506 and the daily builds beyond, they cannot
get Win RE their major recovery tool to work reliable a signifcant percent
of the time, nor can they make another old standby as a repair tool since
Win 98 SFC (Windows File Protection) work in their daily Vista builds.
Help is very incomplete; and extremly signficant is the fact that every
build is having a slow explorer shell response and the explorer shell is
unstable and breaks causing not only multiple Windows Explorer Problems
but also internet connectivity problems necessitating frequent workarounds
to run IE as elevated at first and then used tabbed browsing to continue
opening windows.

Marketing is lamely turning to a very flawed deployment, UAC which is gong
to cause huge consternation and huge help desk time wastes and huge home
and small business confusion, and such pre-teen targets as Side Bar
gadgets which have been around since the 1980's free by 3rd party with
exponentially more sophisticated functionality and such superficial
features that add little to the OS's working like Aero Glass. They sure
have gotten more than their bang out of Aero Glass. They are also redduced
to marketing something as lame as putting Windows Live links into Vista,
for those not able to learn and type www.live.com which is a very
sophistcated and complex url to commit to memory.

These superficial features, hardly needed, are a great diversion from the
train wreck Vista has evolved to.

CH

Congratulations USA "Numbers of Civilian Deaths Highest ever in July in
Iraq" You have the highest quality killing machine Bush and his morons
can manufacture.

Number of Civilian Deaths Highest in July, Iraqis Say
By EDWARD WONG and DAMIEN CAVE
New York Times
August 16, 2006
Casualties
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 15 - July appears to have been the deadliest month of
the war for Iraqi civilians, according to figures from the Health Ministry
and the Baghdad morgue, reinforcing criticism that the Baghdad security
plan started in June by the new government has failed.

An average of more than 110 Iraqis were killed each day in July, according
to the figures. The total number of civilian deaths that month, 3,438, is
a 9 percent increase over the tally in June and nearly double the toll in
January.

The rising numbers suggested that sectarian violence is spiraling out of
control, and seemed to bolster an assertion many senior Iraqi officials
and American military analysts have made in recent months: that the
country is already embroiled in a civil war, not just slipping toward one,
and that the American-led forces are caught between Sunni Arab guerrillas
and Shiite militias.

The numbers also provide the most definitive evidence yet that the Baghdad
security plan started by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki on June 14
has not quelled the violence. The plan, promoted by top Iraqi and American
officials at the time, relied on setting up more Iraqi-run checkpoints to
stymie insurgents.

The officials have since acknowledged that the plan has fallen far short
of its aims, forcing the American military to add thousands of soldiers to
the capital this month and to back away from proposals for a withdrawal of
some troops by year's end.

The Baghdad morgue reported receiving 1,855 bodies in July, more than half
of the total deaths recorded in the country. The morgue tally for July was
an 18 percent increase over June.

The American ambassador said in an interview last week that Iraq's
political leaders had failed to use their influence fully to rein in the
soaring violence, and that people associated with the government were
stoking the flames of sectarian hatred.

"I think the time has come for these leaders to take responsibility with
regard to sectarian violence, to the security of Baghdad at the present
time," said the ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad

The American military in recent weeks has been especially eager to prove
that Baghdad can be tamed if American troops are added to the streets and
take a more active role - in effect, a repudiation of earlier efforts to
turn over security more quickly to Iraqis.

The American command has added nearly 4,000 American soldiers to Baghdad
by extending the tour of a combat brigade. Under a new security plan aimed
at overhauling Mr. Maliki's efforts, some of the city's most violent
southern and western areas are now virtually occupied block-to-block by
American and Iraqi forces, with entire neighborhoods transformed into
miniature police states after being sealed off by blast walls and
concertina wire.

When the tally for civilian deaths in July is added to the Iraqi
government numbers for earlier months obtained by the United Nations, the
total indicates that at least 17,776 Iraqi civilians died violently in the
first seven months of this year, or an average of 2,539 per month.

The Health Ministry did not provide figures for people wounded by attacks
in Baghdad but said that at least 3,597 Iraqis were hurt outside the city
in July, a 25 percent increase over June.

United Nations officials and military analysts say the morgue and ministry
numbers almost certainly reflect severe undercounting, caused by the
haphazard nature of information in a war zone.

Many casualties in areas outside Baghdad probably never appear in the
official count, said Anthony H. Cordesman, a military analyst at the
Center for Strategic and International Studies, a research group in
Washington. That helps explain why fatalities in Baghdad appear to account
for such a large percentage of the total number, he said in a recent
report.

The United Nations has been tracking civilian casualty figures by
collating numbers from the Health Ministry and Baghdad morgue. Last month,
it announced that the Iraqi government's numbers indicated that 3,149
violent deaths had occurred in June, or an average of more than 100 per
day.

The statistics were significantly higher than previous civilian death
tolls, and indicated that the news media had drastically underreported the
level of violence in Iraq. The United States government and military have
declined to release overall figures on Iraqi civilian casualties, or even
say whether they are keeping count.

But Iraqi and American officials agree that civilian deaths had been much
lower before wide-scale sectarian violence erupted after the Feb. 22
bombing of a Shiite shrine in Samarra, and has only gotten worse.

In recent weeks, Ambassador Khalilzad and top generals have warned that
the country could slide toward full-blown civil war, especially if the
capital continued fragmenting into ethnic or sectarian enclaves controlled
by militias, as has been happening for months.

Much of the responsibility rests on Iraqi politicians, many of whom have
ties to militias, Mr. Khalilzad said. "I believe that there have been
forces associated with people in the government from both the Shia and
Sunni sides that have participated in this," he said of the violence.

Iraqi politicians are furiously lashing out at one another. On Monday, the
speaker of Parliament, a conservative Sunni Arab, said he was considering
stepping down because of animosity from the Kurdish and Shiite political
blocs.

The move to oust the speaker, Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, appears to have
thrown the Sunni Arab bloc he belongs to, the Iraqi Consensus Front, into
disarray. On Tuesday, a senior member of the bloc, Khalaf al-Elayan, said
the bloc rejected any call for Mr. Mashhadani's resignation. Another Sunni
leader, Adnan al-Dulaimi, said in an interview that Mr. Mashhadani should
step down. Mr. Dulaimi is considered a possible replacement.

In Karbala, Shiite gunmen and Iraqi military forces exchanged gunfire for
several hours near one of Iraq's holiest Shiite shrines. Witnesses said
the fighting forced the Iraqi Army to block entrances to the city and
impose a curfew, prohibiting all cars and warning residents not to carry
guns.

In Mosul, a suicide bomber detonated a truck packed with explosives,
killing at least 5 civilians and wounding nearly 50 near the offices of
the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the party of President Jalal Talabani.

One of the deadliest attacks in recent weeks took place in southern
Baghdad on Sunday night, when bombs, mortars and rockets killed at least
57 people in a Shiite neighborhood, according to Iraqi officials. The
American military said Tuesday that the death toll had grown to at least
63 and that the cause had been identified: two car bombs that ignited a
gas line.

A day earlier, the American military had said the deaths were due solely
to a gas-main explosion and not to any attack. A spokesman now says that
conclusion was based on "incomplete information."

The well-organized attack came despite the fact that American and Iraqi
troops have flooded areas of southern Baghdad.

Sahar Nageeb and Qais Mizher contributed reporting for this article.




MICHAEL said:
http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/for5/200608171502DOWJONESDJONLINE000772_FORTUNE5.htm

August 17, 2006
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is in talks with its partners about offering
computer buyers coupons that could allow those who purchase new PCs
around the holidays to upgrade for free to its upcoming Windows Vista
operating system.

Vista isn't expected to reach consumers until January and some industry
watchers have expressed concern the release date could weigh on sales of
PCs during the important holiday season.

"We are talking with all our partners about plans for an offer, but those
discussions are ongoing and we have nothing more to share at this time,"
a spokesperson for Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft said.


--
Michael
______
"The trouble ain't that there is too many fools,
but that the lightning ain't distributed right."
- Mark Twain
 
C

Chad Harris

There are a number of home users and business users who don't give a damn,
Lang, about Aero or the juvenile sidebar or any of the superficial Mickey
Mouse things that the Vista synchophants in and out of MSFT keep jumping up
and down with like cheerleaders on IV meth, and are more concerned why Dan
Stevenson, Lead Program Manager from the Vista Lead Storage PM can't get
System File Checker working and in conjunction with Desmond Lee, Program
Manager for the Win RE team, can't get Win RE's startup repair to work a
large percentage of the time when XP's Repair Install works.

If home users or any users want flash, they should dig into some games.

When this lipsticked pig gets out of the Redmond barnyard, this pent up
demand will plumet.

When people find out the Explorer Shell is less than stable, they won't be
jumping up and down about Aero or the pathetically deployment of UAC. UAC
will be turned off by people in droves because of its unweildy deployment
that simply interrupts production. Many of these 400K+clients have had
ample tools to confer security on their systems, and if it's not getting
done I'd blame whomever they pay to run their IT.

When Blaster hit, it shut down the United States' 2nd largest rail system
for 24 hours. I wouldn't have been jumping up and down to give those CTOs
and Sys Ads Christmas bonuses.

CH





Lang Murphy said:
I work on a project which has 400K + clients (yeah, not a typo). They, the
customer, are already screaming for Vista. Not for Aero. For security.
That's a tenth of the projected Vista desktops. And, yeah, all 400K won't
get Vista at one time, but it's a target, a projection, if you will. Most
home users will want Vista for the flashy stuff, Aero in all its glory.
Nothing wrong with that...

<Sidebar ON>

I'm downloading SUSE 10.1. I've been downloading it now for about 20
hours. About 100MB's to go and it'll be another 45 minutes. Or so the D/L
progression dlg box tells me. What's that have to do with Vista? Not much,
but, from an end user POV, geez, I D/L'd Vista in a couple of hours. SUSE
distro point must be low bandwidth or not able to handle the traffic.
WhatEVER! Most folks would've given up by now. And, yes, others may be
seeing faster D/L times... but this is my experience and it ain't great.
And we'll see what kind of "Out of Box" experience I have when I install
SUSE Linux. Somehow, I think the Vista BETA will hold up pretty good to
the SUSE production code.

<Sidebar OFF>

Lang

Chad Harris said:
MSFT has absolutely no choice. Crossing your fingers has nothing to do
with it. Every qualitypredictor is that sales and migration are now
projected way down. News is out that MVPs and Major book authors have
torn apart the arrogant roadmap drop the byzantine and convoluted
branches of RC1 around Sept. 7 or so, and then a little more than a month
later to slap lipstick on a systemically very sick pig and call it Vista.

The slide projecting 400 million Vista desktops in 24 months MSFT was
privately circulating has pretty much fallen on the wishful thinking
scrap heap.


Corporations Look Before They Leap to Vista [You can bet your round
little start button in megathousands of numbers they will when they
realize how sick it is]:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1941463,00.asp

"Large businesses will get the first crack at upgrading to
Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system. But chances are that
they'll still be the last to widely adopt it."


Vista is Constantly Having to Say We're Sorry and Lame/MSFT Reparations
Schemes
MSFT gets into the semantics game:

Opinion: When is a reparation not a reparation? Apparently, when it's a
"customer incentive" program.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000814,00.asp

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2003474,00.asp

"
Instead, Microsoft has chosen to trot out Sunny Jensen Charlebois, the
product manager for its worldwide licensing and pricing group, to anyone
who will listen, so she can deny that any such thing is planned, and to
reinforce the message they want heard, which is that Microsoft always
offers programs to drive adoption when it rolls out a new Windows
operating system.

Here are more details on exactly what Microsoft told us-based on a
transcript of an interview with Allison Watson, the corporate vice
president of Microsoft's Worldwide Partner Group, which I recorded at the
annual Microsoft worldwide partner conference in Boston in July.

When asked how Microsoft planned to address the fact that the delay in
releasing products like Vista and Office would significantly impact
partners and their customers who have volume licensing agreements and
Software Assurance, Watson said: "We have already identified all of the
customers who fall into these buckets and associated partners.

"And, starting two months ago, the worldwide field was empowered with
offers and incentives and a commitment to partner and customer
satisfaction around these issues," she said.

Watson did, however, also try to downplay the effect of product delays on
enterprise customers with volume licensing agreements, and the partners
who work with them, saying that for them it is less about when a piece of
software ships and more about how the software is delivered and supported
and affects the entire product family and their platform."


Gartner Blog : MSFT in Stonewall Mode and the Shoes Will Drop on it Hard
http://vista.blog.gartner.com/blog/index.php?itemid=1107

August, 2006 04:38 PM EST
Microsoft Says "No" to Reparations for SA Customers Due to Vista, Office
Slips
Posted By: Michael Silver, Research VP
"Microsoft has sold its Software Assurance (SA) program largely based on
a "Trust Me" platform. The company doesn't guarantee that a new version
of a product will be delivered during the term of the customer's SA
contract. Although Microsoft has tried to add value to SA since it was
first announced in 2001 (when the only benefits were new product versions
and spread payments), for most organizations, unless they get new
software releases, a three-year SA agreement does not make financial
sense. They have had to trust that Microsoft would ship a new release
during their contracts or would add sufficient value to make it not
matter. For many customers that renewed Office SA in September, October,
and probably November 2003, Microsoft has done neither. These customers
got Office 2003 as part of their prior SA and will not get Office 2007
unless they renew. Most Windows client SA holders have not gotten a new
release during their last renewal, either, due to Windows Vista's delays,
but it's the Office 2007 slip that's bringing this issue to a head.


I spoke with a client in this predicament recently. This client has tens
of thousands of users and paid Microsoft millions of dollars for Office
SA during the past three years. Understandably, this client is not happy.
Thus far, Microsoft is stonewalling the customer's request to "make good"
before discussing renewal. Press reports on 8 August indicated that
Microsoft was finally relenting, but Microsoft insists that this is not
the case. As previously, company says it is discussing the situation on a
one-to-one basis, but thus far, our reports indicate that Microsoft will
not discuss the issue unless it is in the context of a new renewal.
Understandably, companies want satisfaction before they even think about
renewing. Does this fall into the realm of "fool me once, shame on you,
fool me twice, shame on me"?"


They are in big sales trouble and they know it. They will be making
concessions out the wazoo, and they will increase exponentially when a
significant number of people who know how to drill Vista at the surface
and open the hood start analytically cataloging failed features.

Right now, this moment, in 5506 and the daily builds beyond, they cannot
get Win RE their major recovery tool to work reliable a signifcant
percent of the time, nor can they make another old standby as a repair
tool since Win 98 SFC (Windows File Protection) work in their daily
Vista builds.
Help is very incomplete; and extremly signficant is the fact that every
build is having a slow explorer shell response and the explorer shell is
unstable and breaks causing not only multiple Windows Explorer Problems
but also internet connectivity problems necessitating frequent
workarounds to run IE as elevated at first and then used tabbed browsing
to continue opening windows.

Marketing is lamely turning to a very flawed deployment, UAC which is
gong to cause huge consternation and huge help desk time wastes and huge
home and small business confusion, and such pre-teen targets as Side Bar
gadgets which have been around since the 1980's free by 3rd party with
exponentially more sophisticated functionality and such superficial
features that add little to the OS's working like Aero Glass. They sure
have gotten more than their bang out of Aero Glass. They are also
redduced to marketing something as lame as putting Windows Live links
into Vista, for those not able to learn and type www.live.com which is a
very sophistcated and complex url to commit to memory.

These superficial features, hardly needed, are a great diversion from the
train wreck Vista has evolved to.

CH

Congratulations USA "Numbers of Civilian Deaths Highest ever in July in
Iraq" You have the highest quality killing machine Bush and his morons
can manufacture.

Number of Civilian Deaths Highest in July, Iraqis Say
By EDWARD WONG and DAMIEN CAVE
New York Times
August 16, 2006
Casualties
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 15 - July appears to have been the deadliest month of
the war for Iraqi civilians, according to figures from the Health
Ministry and the Baghdad morgue, reinforcing criticism that the Baghdad
security plan started in June by the new government has failed.

An average of more than 110 Iraqis were killed each day in July,
according to the figures. The total number of civilian deaths that month,
3,438, is a 9 percent increase over the tally in June and nearly double
the toll in January.

The rising numbers suggested that sectarian violence is spiraling out of
control, and seemed to bolster an assertion many senior Iraqi officials
and American military analysts have made in recent months: that the
country is already embroiled in a civil war, not just slipping toward
one, and that the American-led forces are caught between Sunni Arab
guerrillas and Shiite militias.

The numbers also provide the most definitive evidence yet that the
Baghdad security plan started by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki on
June 14 has not quelled the violence. The plan, promoted by top Iraqi and
American officials at the time, relied on setting up more Iraqi-run
checkpoints to stymie insurgents.

The officials have since acknowledged that the plan has fallen far short
of its aims, forcing the American military to add thousands of soldiers
to the capital this month and to back away from proposals for a
withdrawal of some troops by year's end.

The Baghdad morgue reported receiving 1,855 bodies in July, more than
half of the total deaths recorded in the country. The morgue tally for
July was an 18 percent increase over June.

The American ambassador said in an interview last week that Iraq's
political leaders had failed to use their influence fully to rein in the
soaring violence, and that people associated with the government were
stoking the flames of sectarian hatred.

"I think the time has come for these leaders to take responsibility with
regard to sectarian violence, to the security of Baghdad at the present
time," said the ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad

The American military in recent weeks has been especially eager to prove
that Baghdad can be tamed if American troops are added to the streets and
take a more active role - in effect, a repudiation of earlier efforts to
turn over security more quickly to Iraqis.

The American command has added nearly 4,000 American soldiers to Baghdad
by extending the tour of a combat brigade. Under a new security plan
aimed at overhauling Mr. Maliki's efforts, some of the city's most
violent southern and western areas are now virtually occupied
block-to-block by American and Iraqi forces, with entire neighborhoods
transformed into miniature police states after being sealed off by blast
walls and concertina wire.

When the tally for civilian deaths in July is added to the Iraqi
government numbers for earlier months obtained by the United Nations, the
total indicates that at least 17,776 Iraqi civilians died violently in
the first seven months of this year, or an average of 2,539 per month.

The Health Ministry did not provide figures for people wounded by attacks
in Baghdad but said that at least 3,597 Iraqis were hurt outside the city
in July, a 25 percent increase over June.

United Nations officials and military analysts say the morgue and
ministry numbers almost certainly reflect severe undercounting, caused by
the haphazard nature of information in a war zone.

Many casualties in areas outside Baghdad probably never appear in the
official count, said Anthony H. Cordesman, a military analyst at the
Center for Strategic and International Studies, a research group in
Washington. That helps explain why fatalities in Baghdad appear to
account for such a large percentage of the total number, he said in a
recent report.

The United Nations has been tracking civilian casualty figures by
collating numbers from the Health Ministry and Baghdad morgue. Last
month, it announced that the Iraqi government's numbers indicated that
3,149 violent deaths had occurred in June, or an average of more than 100
per day.

The statistics were significantly higher than previous civilian death
tolls, and indicated that the news media had drastically underreported
the level of violence in Iraq. The United States government and military
have declined to release overall figures on Iraqi civilian casualties, or
even say whether they are keeping count.

But Iraqi and American officials agree that civilian deaths had been much
lower before wide-scale sectarian violence erupted after the Feb. 22
bombing of a Shiite shrine in Samarra, and has only gotten worse.

In recent weeks, Ambassador Khalilzad and top generals have warned that
the country could slide toward full-blown civil war, especially if the
capital continued fragmenting into ethnic or sectarian enclaves
controlled by militias, as has been happening for months.

Much of the responsibility rests on Iraqi politicians, many of whom have
ties to militias, Mr. Khalilzad said. "I believe that there have been
forces associated with people in the government from both the Shia and
Sunni sides that have participated in this," he said of the violence.

Iraqi politicians are furiously lashing out at one another. On Monday,
the speaker of Parliament, a conservative Sunni Arab, said he was
considering stepping down because of animosity from the Kurdish and
Shiite political blocs.

The move to oust the speaker, Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, appears to have
thrown the Sunni Arab bloc he belongs to, the Iraqi Consensus Front, into
disarray. On Tuesday, a senior member of the bloc, Khalaf al-Elayan, said
the bloc rejected any call for Mr. Mashhadani's resignation. Another
Sunni leader, Adnan al-Dulaimi, said in an interview that Mr. Mashhadani
should step down. Mr. Dulaimi is considered a possible replacement.

In Karbala, Shiite gunmen and Iraqi military forces exchanged gunfire for
several hours near one of Iraq's holiest Shiite shrines. Witnesses said
the fighting forced the Iraqi Army to block entrances to the city and
impose a curfew, prohibiting all cars and warning residents not to carry
guns.

In Mosul, a suicide bomber detonated a truck packed with explosives,
killing at least 5 civilians and wounding nearly 50 near the offices of
the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the party of President Jalal Talabani.

One of the deadliest attacks in recent weeks took place in southern
Baghdad on Sunday night, when bombs, mortars and rockets killed at least
57 people in a Shiite neighborhood, according to Iraqi officials. The
American military said Tuesday that the death toll had grown to at least
63 and that the cause had been identified: two car bombs that ignited a
gas line.

A day earlier, the American military had said the deaths were due solely
to a gas-main explosion and not to any attack. A spokesman now says that
conclusion was based on "incomplete information."

The well-organized attack came despite the fact that American and Iraqi
troops have flooded areas of southern Baghdad.

Sahar Nageeb and Qais Mizher contributed reporting for this article.




MICHAEL said:
http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/for5/200608171502DOWJONESDJONLINE000772_FORTUNE5.htm

August 17, 2006
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is in talks with its partners about offering
computer buyers coupons that could allow those who purchase new PCs
around the holidays to upgrade for free to its upcoming Windows Vista
operating system.

Vista isn't expected to reach consumers until January and some industry
watchers have expressed concern the release date could weigh on sales of
PCs during the important holiday season.

"We are talking with all our partners about plans for an offer, but
those discussions are ongoing and we have nothing more to share at this
time," a spokesperson for Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft said.


--
Michael
______
"The trouble ain't that there is too many fools,
but that the lightning ain't distributed right."
- Mark Twain
 
L

Lang Murphy

Chad,

OK, first off, I meant sidebar as in a news sidebar, not a Vista sidebar...
;-) Wrong phrase, I guess.

Don't think most home or small business users would know either Dan
Stevenson or Desmond Lee from a hole in the ground. I sure don't.

And while, sure, who could argue that everyone wants their OS to be stable
and work as expected, I guess only the gold code will prove that out as we
are all still working with beta code, just FYI (Mwa-ha-ha! Sorry, couldn't
resist. Go ahead and flame me... I deserve it, I admit. Probably deserve
worse than that... like being shot with a sh*t gun. I will NEVER pull that
stunt again, I promise).

I don't work security on the project I'm on. I know we pump out IAVA's as
fast as MS publishes them and since the customer is a target for hackers
worldwide and I haven't heard of any breaches, I'll have to assume our
security guys are doing their jobs right (and, yeah, I know it's the one's
you -don't- hear about that do the most damage...). Point is, if the
customer starts hollering for something, you have to respond. For good or
ill.

Got SuSE 10.1 installed on a GX150 today. Not a great box; 256MB's RAM
(recommended minimum) and a 40GB hard drive. Not overly impressed. Not with
the setup code, not with the desktop. The setup code prompts to D/L updates
and then gives no feedback on what the hell it's doing. None. Changing the
resolution on the desktop was an exercise in frustration. Only took about 30
minutes to get it right. Forget that. And I think most home users would.
It's a tad sluggish too, but that's not a slam; I wouldn't expect any modern
OS to fly in that space (256MB's RAM).

So, yeah, you might get as good performance with less resources, but, gee, I
ain't interested. Too much work. I might've dicked around with it when I was
younger, but this distro of Linux ain't a good fit for Joe User. IMHO. And
this is supposed to be one of the more user friendly distros. Understand,
I'm not knocking Linux or this distro; if you want to use it; go ahead, have
a blast. But don't tell me, as Novell does, that anyone can use it easily. I
don't buy that for a second. Everyone's got their marketing spin when it
comes to OS's. Microsoft ain't the only OS vendor to paint their OS with
gold foil and try and sell it to the masses as solid gold. Nope.

Lang





Chad Harris said:
There are a number of home users and business users who don't give a damn,
Lang, about Aero or the juvenile sidebar or any of the superficial Mickey
Mouse things that the Vista synchophants in and out of MSFT keep jumping
up and down with like cheerleaders on IV meth, and are more concerned why
Dan Stevenson, Lead Program Manager from the Vista Lead Storage PM can't
get System File Checker working and in conjunction with Desmond Lee,
Program Manager for the Win RE team, can't get Win RE's startup repair to
work a large percentage of the time when XP's Repair Install works.

If home users or any users want flash, they should dig into some games.

When this lipsticked pig gets out of the Redmond barnyard, this pent up
demand will plumet.

When people find out the Explorer Shell is less than stable, they won't be
jumping up and down about Aero or the pathetically deployment of UAC. UAC
will be turned off by people in droves because of its unweildy deployment
that simply interrupts production. Many of these 400K+clients have had
ample tools to confer security on their systems, and if it's not getting
done I'd blame whomever they pay to run their IT.

When Blaster hit, it shut down the United States' 2nd largest rail system
for 24 hours. I wouldn't have been jumping up and down to give those CTOs
and Sys Ads Christmas bonuses.

CH





Lang Murphy said:
I work on a project which has 400K + clients (yeah, not a typo). They, the
customer, are already screaming for Vista. Not for Aero. For security.
That's a tenth of the projected Vista desktops. And, yeah, all 400K won't
get Vista at one time, but it's a target, a projection, if you will. Most
home users will want Vista for the flashy stuff, Aero in all its glory.
Nothing wrong with that...

<Sidebar ON>

I'm downloading SUSE 10.1. I've been downloading it now for about 20
hours. About 100MB's to go and it'll be another 45 minutes. Or so the D/L
progression dlg box tells me. What's that have to do with Vista? Not
much, but, from an end user POV, geez, I D/L'd Vista in a couple of
hours. SUSE distro point must be low bandwidth or not able to handle the
traffic. WhatEVER! Most folks would've given up by now. And, yes, others
may be seeing faster D/L times... but this is my experience and it ain't
great. And we'll see what kind of "Out of Box" experience I have when I
install SUSE Linux. Somehow, I think the Vista BETA will hold up pretty
good to the SUSE production code.

<Sidebar OFF>

Lang

Chad Harris said:
MSFT has absolutely no choice. Crossing your fingers has nothing to do
with it. Every qualitypredictor is that sales and migration are now
projected way down. News is out that MVPs and Major book authors have
torn apart the arrogant roadmap drop the byzantine and convoluted
branches of RC1 around Sept. 7 or so, and then a little more than a
month later to slap lipstick on a systemically very sick pig and call it
Vista.

The slide projecting 400 million Vista desktops in 24 months MSFT was
privately circulating has pretty much fallen on the wishful thinking
scrap heap.


Corporations Look Before They Leap to Vista [You can bet your round
little start button in megathousands of numbers they will when they
realize how sick it is]:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1941463,00.asp

"Large businesses will get the first crack at upgrading to
Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system. But chances are that
they'll still be the last to widely adopt it."


Vista is Constantly Having to Say We're Sorry and Lame/MSFT Reparations
Schemes
MSFT gets into the semantics game:

Opinion: When is a reparation not a reparation? Apparently, when it's a
"customer incentive" program.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000814,00.asp

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2003474,00.asp

"
Instead, Microsoft has chosen to trot out Sunny Jensen Charlebois, the
product manager for its worldwide licensing and pricing group, to anyone
who will listen, so she can deny that any such thing is planned, and to
reinforce the message they want heard, which is that Microsoft always
offers programs to drive adoption when it rolls out a new Windows
operating system.

Here are more details on exactly what Microsoft told us-based on a
transcript of an interview with Allison Watson, the corporate vice
president of Microsoft's Worldwide Partner Group, which I recorded at
the annual Microsoft worldwide partner conference in Boston in July.

When asked how Microsoft planned to address the fact that the delay in
releasing products like Vista and Office would significantly impact
partners and their customers who have volume licensing agreements and
Software Assurance, Watson said: "We have already identified all of the
customers who fall into these buckets and associated partners.

"And, starting two months ago, the worldwide field was empowered with
offers and incentives and a commitment to partner and customer
satisfaction around these issues," she said.

Watson did, however, also try to downplay the effect of product delays
on enterprise customers with volume licensing agreements, and the
partners who work with them, saying that for them it is less about when
a piece of software ships and more about how the software is delivered
and supported and affects the entire product family and their platform."


Gartner Blog : MSFT in Stonewall Mode and the Shoes Will Drop on it Hard
http://vista.blog.gartner.com/blog/index.php?itemid=1107

August, 2006 04:38 PM EST
Microsoft Says "No" to Reparations for SA Customers Due to Vista, Office
Slips
Posted By: Michael Silver, Research VP
"Microsoft has sold its Software Assurance (SA) program largely based on
a "Trust Me" platform. The company doesn't guarantee that a new version
of a product will be delivered during the term of the customer's SA
contract. Although Microsoft has tried to add value to SA since it was
first announced in 2001 (when the only benefits were new product
versions and spread payments), for most organizations, unless they get
new software releases, a three-year SA agreement does not make financial
sense. They have had to trust that Microsoft would ship a new release
during their contracts or would add sufficient value to make it not
matter. For many customers that renewed Office SA in September, October,
and probably November 2003, Microsoft has done neither. These customers
got Office 2003 as part of their prior SA and will not get Office 2007
unless they renew. Most Windows client SA holders have not gotten a new
release during their last renewal, either, due to Windows Vista's
delays, but it's the Office 2007 slip that's bringing this issue to a
head.


I spoke with a client in this predicament recently. This client has tens
of thousands of users and paid Microsoft millions of dollars for Office
SA during the past three years. Understandably, this client is not
happy. Thus far, Microsoft is stonewalling the customer's request to
"make good" before discussing renewal. Press reports on 8 August
indicated that Microsoft was finally relenting, but Microsoft insists
that this is not the case. As previously, company says it is discussing
the situation on a one-to-one basis, but thus far, our reports indicate
that Microsoft will not discuss the issue unless it is in the context of
a new renewal. Understandably, companies want satisfaction before they
even think about renewing. Does this fall into the realm of "fool me
once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"?"


They are in big sales trouble and they know it. They will be making
concessions out the wazoo, and they will increase exponentially when a
significant number of people who know how to drill Vista at the surface
and open the hood start analytically cataloging failed features.

Right now, this moment, in 5506 and the daily builds beyond, they
cannot get Win RE their major recovery tool to work reliable a
signifcant percent of the time, nor can they make another old standby as
a repair tool since Win 98 SFC (Windows File Protection) work in their
daily Vista builds.
Help is very incomplete; and extremly signficant is the fact that every
build is having a slow explorer shell response and the explorer shell is
unstable and breaks causing not only multiple Windows Explorer Problems
but also internet connectivity problems necessitating frequent
workarounds to run IE as elevated at first and then used tabbed browsing
to continue opening windows.

Marketing is lamely turning to a very flawed deployment, UAC which is
gong to cause huge consternation and huge help desk time wastes and huge
home and small business confusion, and such pre-teen targets as Side Bar
gadgets which have been around since the 1980's free by 3rd party with
exponentially more sophisticated functionality and such superficial
features that add little to the OS's working like Aero Glass. They sure
have gotten more than their bang out of Aero Glass. They are also
redduced to marketing something as lame as putting Windows Live links
into Vista, for those not able to learn and type www.live.com which is a
very sophistcated and complex url to commit to memory.

These superficial features, hardly needed, are a great diversion from
the train wreck Vista has evolved to.

CH

Congratulations USA "Numbers of Civilian Deaths Highest ever in July in
Iraq" You have the highest quality killing machine Bush and his morons
can manufacture.

Number of Civilian Deaths Highest in July, Iraqis Say
By EDWARD WONG and DAMIEN CAVE
New York Times
August 16, 2006
Casualties
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 15 - July appears to have been the deadliest month
of the war for Iraqi civilians, according to figures from the Health
Ministry and the Baghdad morgue, reinforcing criticism that the Baghdad
security plan started in June by the new government has failed.

An average of more than 110 Iraqis were killed each day in July,
according to the figures. The total number of civilian deaths that
month, 3,438, is a 9 percent increase over the tally in June and nearly
double the toll in January.

The rising numbers suggested that sectarian violence is spiraling out of
control, and seemed to bolster an assertion many senior Iraqi officials
and American military analysts have made in recent months: that the
country is already embroiled in a civil war, not just slipping toward
one, and that the American-led forces are caught between Sunni Arab
guerrillas and Shiite militias.

The numbers also provide the most definitive evidence yet that the
Baghdad security plan started by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki on
June 14 has not quelled the violence. The plan, promoted by top Iraqi
and American officials at the time, relied on setting up more Iraqi-run
checkpoints to stymie insurgents.

The officials have since acknowledged that the plan has fallen far short
of its aims, forcing the American military to add thousands of soldiers
to the capital this month and to back away from proposals for a
withdrawal of some troops by year's end.

The Baghdad morgue reported receiving 1,855 bodies in July, more than
half of the total deaths recorded in the country. The morgue tally for
July was an 18 percent increase over June.

The American ambassador said in an interview last week that Iraq's
political leaders had failed to use their influence fully to rein in the
soaring violence, and that people associated with the government were
stoking the flames of sectarian hatred.

"I think the time has come for these leaders to take responsibility with
regard to sectarian violence, to the security of Baghdad at the present
time," said the ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad

The American military in recent weeks has been especially eager to prove
that Baghdad can be tamed if American troops are added to the streets
and take a more active role - in effect, a repudiation of earlier
efforts to turn over security more quickly to Iraqis.

The American command has added nearly 4,000 American soldiers to Baghdad
by extending the tour of a combat brigade. Under a new security plan
aimed at overhauling Mr. Maliki's efforts, some of the city's most
violent southern and western areas are now virtually occupied
block-to-block by American and Iraqi forces, with entire neighborhoods
transformed into miniature police states after being sealed off by blast
walls and concertina wire.

When the tally for civilian deaths in July is added to the Iraqi
government numbers for earlier months obtained by the United Nations,
the total indicates that at least 17,776 Iraqi civilians died violently
in the first seven months of this year, or an average of 2,539 per
month.

The Health Ministry did not provide figures for people wounded by
attacks in Baghdad but said that at least 3,597 Iraqis were hurt outside
the city in July, a 25 percent increase over June.

United Nations officials and military analysts say the morgue and
ministry numbers almost certainly reflect severe undercounting, caused
by the haphazard nature of information in a war zone.

Many casualties in areas outside Baghdad probably never appear in the
official count, said Anthony H. Cordesman, a military analyst at the
Center for Strategic and International Studies, a research group in
Washington. That helps explain why fatalities in Baghdad appear to
account for such a large percentage of the total number, he said in a
recent report.

The United Nations has been tracking civilian casualty figures by
collating numbers from the Health Ministry and Baghdad morgue. Last
month, it announced that the Iraqi government's numbers indicated that
3,149 violent deaths had occurred in June, or an average of more than
100 per day.

The statistics were significantly higher than previous civilian death
tolls, and indicated that the news media had drastically underreported
the level of violence in Iraq. The United States government and military
have declined to release overall figures on Iraqi civilian casualties,
or even say whether they are keeping count.

But Iraqi and American officials agree that civilian deaths had been
much lower before wide-scale sectarian violence erupted after the Feb.
22 bombing of a Shiite shrine in Samarra, and has only gotten worse.

In recent weeks, Ambassador Khalilzad and top generals have warned that
the country could slide toward full-blown civil war, especially if the
capital continued fragmenting into ethnic or sectarian enclaves
controlled by militias, as has been happening for months.

Much of the responsibility rests on Iraqi politicians, many of whom have
ties to militias, Mr. Khalilzad said. "I believe that there have been
forces associated with people in the government from both the Shia and
Sunni sides that have participated in this," he said of the violence.

Iraqi politicians are furiously lashing out at one another. On Monday,
the speaker of Parliament, a conservative Sunni Arab, said he was
considering stepping down because of animosity from the Kurdish and
Shiite political blocs.

The move to oust the speaker, Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, appears to have
thrown the Sunni Arab bloc he belongs to, the Iraqi Consensus Front,
into disarray. On Tuesday, a senior member of the bloc, Khalaf
al-Elayan, said the bloc rejected any call for Mr. Mashhadani's
resignation. Another Sunni leader, Adnan al-Dulaimi, said in an
interview that Mr. Mashhadani should step down. Mr. Dulaimi is
considered a possible replacement.

In Karbala, Shiite gunmen and Iraqi military forces exchanged gunfire
for several hours near one of Iraq's holiest Shiite shrines. Witnesses
said the fighting forced the Iraqi Army to block entrances to the city
and impose a curfew, prohibiting all cars and warning residents not to
carry guns.

In Mosul, a suicide bomber detonated a truck packed with explosives,
killing at least 5 civilians and wounding nearly 50 near the offices of
the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the party of President Jalal Talabani.

One of the deadliest attacks in recent weeks took place in southern
Baghdad on Sunday night, when bombs, mortars and rockets killed at least
57 people in a Shiite neighborhood, according to Iraqi officials. The
American military said Tuesday that the death toll had grown to at least
63 and that the cause had been identified: two car bombs that ignited a
gas line.

A day earlier, the American military had said the deaths were due solely
to a gas-main explosion and not to any attack. A spokesman now says that
conclusion was based on "incomplete information."

The well-organized attack came despite the fact that American and Iraqi
troops have flooded areas of southern Baghdad.

Sahar Nageeb and Qais Mizher contributed reporting for this article.




http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/for5/200608171502DOWJONESDJONLINE000772_FORTUNE5.htm

August 17, 2006
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is in talks with its partners about offering
computer buyers coupons that could allow those who purchase new PCs
around the holidays to upgrade for free to its upcoming Windows Vista
operating system.

Vista isn't expected to reach consumers until January and some industry
watchers have expressed concern the release date could weigh on sales
of PCs during the important holiday season.

"We are talking with all our partners about plans for an offer, but
those discussions are ongoing and we have nothing more to share at this
time," a spokesperson for Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft said.


--
Michael
______
"The trouble ain't that there is too many fools,
but that the lightning ain't distributed right."
- Mark Twain
 
M

MICHAEL

SUSE 10.1 is the best Linux flavor I have tried-
by far.

Just downloaded it last week, seemed rather speedy
to me. Maybe 4 or 5 hours, I don't really remember.
Not as fast other large downloads I've done, but not too
bad.

I'd be interested in your thoughts about SUSE 10.1.

-Michael


Lang Murphy said:
I work on a project which has 400K + clients (yeah, not a typo). They, the customer, are
already screaming for Vista. Not for Aero. For security. That's a tenth of the projected Vista
desktops. And, yeah, all 400K won't get Vista at one time, but it's a target, a projection, if
you will. Most home users will want Vista for the flashy stuff, Aero in all its glory. Nothing
wrong with that...

<Sidebar ON>

I'm downloading SUSE 10.1. I've been downloading it now for about 20 hours. About 100MB's to
go and it'll be another 45 minutes. Or so the D/L progression dlg box tells me. What's that
have to do with Vista? Not much, but, from an end user POV, geez, I D/L'd Vista in a couple
of hours. SUSE distro point must be low bandwidth or not able to handle the traffic.
WhatEVER! Most folks would've given up by now. And, yes, others may be seeing faster D/L
times... but this is my experience and it ain't great. And we'll see what kind of "Out of
Box" experience I have when I install SUSE Linux. Somehow, I think the Vista BETA will hold
up pretty good to the SUSE production code.

<Sidebar OFF>

Lang

Chad Harris said:
MSFT has absolutely no choice. Crossing your fingers has nothing to do with it. Every
qualitypredictor is that sales and migration are now projected way down. News is out that
MVPs and Major book authors have torn apart the arrogant roadmap drop the byzantine and
convoluted branches of RC1 around Sept. 7 or so, and then a little more than a month later
to slap lipstick on a systemically very sick pig and call it Vista.

The slide projecting 400 million Vista desktops in 24 months MSFT was privately circulating
has pretty much fallen on the wishful thinking scrap heap.


Corporations Look Before They Leap to Vista [You can bet your round little start button
in megathousands of numbers they will when they realize how sick it is]:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1941463,00.asp

"Large businesses will get the first crack at upgrading to Microsoft's new Windows
Vista operating system. But chances are that they'll still be the last to widely adopt it."


Vista is Constantly Having to Say We're Sorry and Lame/MSFT Reparations Schemes
MSFT gets into the semantics game:

Opinion: When is a reparation not a reparation? Apparently, when it's a "customer incentive"
program.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000814,00.asp

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2003474,00.asp

"
Instead, Microsoft has chosen to trot out Sunny Jensen Charlebois, the product manager for
its worldwide licensing and pricing group, to anyone who will listen, so she can deny that
any such thing is planned, and to reinforce the message they want heard, which is that
Microsoft always offers programs to drive adoption when it rolls out a new Windows operating
system.

Here are more details on exactly what Microsoft told us-based on a transcript of an
interview with Allison Watson, the corporate vice president of Microsoft's Worldwide Partner
Group, which I recorded at the annual Microsoft worldwide partner conference in Boston in
July.

When asked how Microsoft planned to address the fact that the delay in releasing products
like Vista and Office would significantly impact partners and their customers who have
volume licensing agreements and Software Assurance, Watson said: "We have already identified
all of the customers who fall into these buckets and associated partners.

"And, starting two months ago, the worldwide field was empowered with offers and incentives
and a commitment to partner and customer satisfaction around these issues," she said.

Watson did, however, also try to downplay the effect of product delays on enterprise
customers with volume licensing agreements, and the partners who work with them, saying that
for them it is less about when a piece of software ships and more about how the software is
delivered and supported and affects the entire product family and their platform."


Gartner Blog : MSFT in Stonewall Mode and the Shoes Will Drop on it Hard
http://vista.blog.gartner.com/blog/index.php?itemid=1107

August, 2006 04:38 PM EST
Microsoft Says "No" to Reparations for SA Customers Due to Vista, Office Slips
Posted By: Michael Silver, Research VP
"Microsoft has sold its Software Assurance (SA) program largely based on a "Trust Me"
platform. The company doesn't guarantee that a new version of a product will be delivered
during the term of the customer's SA contract. Although Microsoft has tried to add value to
SA since it was first announced in 2001 (when the only benefits were new product versions
and spread payments), for most organizations, unless they get new software releases, a
three-year SA agreement does not make financial sense. They have had to trust that Microsoft
would ship a new release during their contracts or would add sufficient value to make it not
matter. For many customers that renewed Office SA in September, October, and probably
November 2003, Microsoft has done neither. These customers got Office 2003 as part of their
prior SA and will not get Office 2007 unless they renew. Most Windows client SA holders have
not gotten a new release during their last renewal, either, due to Windows Vista's delays,
but it's the Office 2007 slip that's bringing this issue to a head.


I spoke with a client in this predicament recently. This client has tens of thousands of
users and paid Microsoft millions of dollars for Office SA during the past three years.
Understandably, this client is not happy. Thus far, Microsoft is stonewalling the customer's
request to "make good" before discussing renewal. Press reports on 8 August indicated that
Microsoft was finally relenting, but Microsoft insists that this is not the case. As
previously, company says it is discussing the situation on a one-to-one basis, but thus far,
our reports indicate that Microsoft will not discuss the issue unless it is in the context
of a new renewal. Understandably, companies want satisfaction before they even think about
renewing. Does this fall into the realm of "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame
on me"?"


They are in big sales trouble and they know it. They will be making concessions out the
wazoo, and they will increase exponentially when a significant number of people who know how
to drill Vista at the surface and open the hood start analytically cataloging failed
features.

Right now, this moment, in 5506 and the daily builds beyond, they cannot get Win RE their
major recovery tool to work reliable a signifcant percent of the time, nor can they make
another old standby as a repair tool since Win 98 SFC (Windows File Protection) work in
their daily Vista builds.
Help is very incomplete; and extremly signficant is the fact that every build is having a
slow explorer shell response and the explorer shell is unstable and breaks causing not only
multiple Windows Explorer Problems but also internet connectivity problems necessitating
frequent workarounds to run IE as elevated at first and then used tabbed browsing to
continue opening windows.

Marketing is lamely turning to a very flawed deployment, UAC which is gong to cause huge
consternation and huge help desk time wastes and huge home and small business confusion, and
such pre-teen targets as Side Bar gadgets which have been around since the 1980's free by
3rd party with exponentially more sophisticated functionality and such superficial features
that add little to the OS's working like Aero Glass. They sure have gotten more than their
bang out of Aero Glass. They are also redduced to marketing something as lame as putting
Windows Live links into Vista, for those not able to learn and type www.live.com which is a
very sophistcated and complex url to commit to memory.

These superficial features, hardly needed, are a great diversion from the train wreck Vista
has evolved to.

CH

Congratulations USA "Numbers of Civilian Deaths Highest ever in July in Iraq" You have the
highest quality killing machine Bush and his morons can manufacture.

Number of Civilian Deaths Highest in July, Iraqis Say
By EDWARD WONG and DAMIEN CAVE
New York Times
August 16, 2006
Casualties
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 15 - July appears to have been the deadliest month of the war for Iraqi
civilians, according to figures from the Health Ministry and the Baghdad morgue, reinforcing
criticism that the Baghdad security plan started in June by the new government has failed.

An average of more than 110 Iraqis were killed each day in July, according to the figures.
The total number of civilian deaths that month, 3,438, is a 9 percent increase over the
tally in June and nearly double the toll in January.

The rising numbers suggested that sectarian violence is spiraling out of control, and seemed
to bolster an assertion many senior Iraqi officials and American military analysts have made
in recent months: that the country is already embroiled in a civil war, not just slipping
toward one, and that the American-led forces are caught between Sunni Arab guerrillas and
Shiite militias.

The numbers also provide the most definitive evidence yet that the Baghdad security plan
started by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki on June 14 has not quelled the violence. The
plan, promoted by top Iraqi and American officials at the time, relied on setting up more
Iraqi-run checkpoints to stymie insurgents.

The officials have since acknowledged that the plan has fallen far short of its aims,
forcing the American military to add thousands of soldiers to the capital this month and to
back away from proposals for a withdrawal of some troops by year's end.

The Baghdad morgue reported receiving 1,855 bodies in July, more than half of the total
deaths recorded in the country. The morgue tally for July was an 18 percent increase over
June.

The American ambassador said in an interview last week that Iraq's political leaders had
failed to use their influence fully to rein in the soaring violence, and that people
associated with the government were stoking the flames of sectarian hatred.

"I think the time has come for these leaders to take responsibility with regard to sectarian
violence, to the security of Baghdad at the present time," said the ambassador, Zalmay
Khalilzad

The American military in recent weeks has been especially eager to prove that Baghdad can be
tamed if American troops are added to the streets and take a more active role - in effect, a
repudiation of earlier efforts to turn over security more quickly to Iraqis.

The American command has added nearly 4,000 American soldiers to Baghdad by extending the
tour of a combat brigade. Under a new security plan aimed at overhauling Mr. Maliki's
efforts, some of the city's most violent southern and western areas are now virtually
occupied block-to-block by American and Iraqi forces, with entire neighborhoods transformed
into miniature police states after being sealed off by blast walls and concertina wire.

When the tally for civilian deaths in July is added to the Iraqi government numbers for
earlier months obtained by the United Nations, the total indicates that at least 17,776
Iraqi civilians died violently in the first seven months of this year, or an average of
2,539 per month.

The Health Ministry did not provide figures for people wounded by attacks in Baghdad but
said that at least 3,597 Iraqis were hurt outside the city in July, a 25 percent increase
over June.

United Nations officials and military analysts say the morgue and ministry numbers almost
certainly reflect severe undercounting, caused by the haphazard nature of information in a
war zone.

Many casualties in areas outside Baghdad probably never appear in the official count, said
Anthony H. Cordesman, a military analyst at the Center for Strategic and International
Studies, a research group in Washington. That helps explain why fatalities in Baghdad appear
to account for such a large percentage of the total number, he said in a recent report.

The United Nations has been tracking civilian casualty figures by collating numbers from the
Health Ministry and Baghdad morgue. Last month, it announced that the Iraqi government's
numbers indicated that 3,149 violent deaths had occurred in June, or an average of more than
100 per day.

The statistics were significantly higher than previous civilian death tolls, and indicated
that the news media had drastically underreported the level of violence in Iraq. The United
States government and military have declined to release overall figures on Iraqi civilian
casualties, or even say whether they are keeping count.

But Iraqi and American officials agree that civilian deaths had been much lower before
wide-scale sectarian violence erupted after the Feb. 22 bombing of a Shiite shrine in
Samarra, and has only gotten worse.

In recent weeks, Ambassador Khalilzad and top generals have warned that the country could
slide toward full-blown civil war, especially if the capital continued fragmenting into
ethnic or sectarian enclaves controlled by militias, as has been happening for months.

Much of the responsibility rests on Iraqi politicians, many of whom have ties to militias,
Mr. Khalilzad said. "I believe that there have been forces associated with people in the
government from both the Shia and Sunni sides that have participated in this," he said of
the violence.

Iraqi politicians are furiously lashing out at one another. On Monday, the speaker of
Parliament, a conservative Sunni Arab, said he was considering stepping down because of
animosity from the Kurdish and Shiite political blocs.

The move to oust the speaker, Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, appears to have thrown the Sunni Arab
bloc he belongs to, the Iraqi Consensus Front, into disarray. On Tuesday, a senior member of
the bloc, Khalaf al-Elayan, said the bloc rejected any call for Mr. Mashhadani's
resignation. Another Sunni leader, Adnan al-Dulaimi, said in an interview that Mr.
Mashhadani should step down. Mr. Dulaimi is considered a possible replacement.

In Karbala, Shiite gunmen and Iraqi military forces exchanged gunfire for several hours near
one of Iraq's holiest Shiite shrines. Witnesses said the fighting forced the Iraqi Army to
block entrances to the city and impose a curfew, prohibiting all cars and warning residents
not to carry guns.

In Mosul, a suicide bomber detonated a truck packed with explosives, killing at least 5
civilians and wounding nearly 50 near the offices of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the
party of President Jalal Talabani.

One of the deadliest attacks in recent weeks took place in southern Baghdad on Sunday night,
when bombs, mortars and rockets killed at least 57 people in a Shiite neighborhood,
according to Iraqi officials. The American military said Tuesday that the death toll had
grown to at least 63 and that the cause had been identified: two car bombs that ignited a
gas line.

A day earlier, the American military had said the deaths were due solely to a gas-main
explosion and not to any attack. A spokesman now says that conclusion was based on
"incomplete information."

The well-organized attack came despite the fact that American and Iraqi troops have flooded
areas of southern Baghdad.

Sahar Nageeb and Qais Mizher contributed reporting for this article.




MICHAEL said:
http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/for5/200608171502DOWJONESDJONLINE000772_FORTUNE5.htm

August 17, 2006
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is in talks with its partners about offering computer buyers coupons
that could allow those who purchase new PCs around the holidays to upgrade for free to its
upcoming Windows Vista operating system.

Vista isn't expected to reach consumers until January and some industry watchers have
expressed concern the release date could weigh on sales of PCs during the important holiday
season.

"We are talking with all our partners about plans for an offer, but those discussions are
ongoing and we have nothing more to share at this time," a spokesperson for Redmond,
Wash.-based Microsoft said.


--
Michael
______
"The trouble ain't that there is too many fools,
but that the lightning ain't distributed right."
- Mark Twain
 
C

Colin Barnhorst

If I may contribute a thought, SuSE uses the YaST 2 installer. I think that
is easily the most sophisticated installer of all the Linux distros. A lot
better than the Anaconda installer used by the RH/Fedora line. YaST is
especially adept in hardware detection.

MICHAEL said:
SUSE 10.1 is the best Linux flavor I have tried-
by far.

Just downloaded it last week, seemed rather speedy
to me. Maybe 4 or 5 hours, I don't really remember.
Not as fast other large downloads I've done, but not too
bad.

I'd be interested in your thoughts about SUSE 10.1.

-Michael


Lang Murphy said:
I work on a project which has 400K + clients (yeah, not a typo). They, the
customer, are already screaming for Vista. Not for Aero. For security.
That's a tenth of the projected Vista desktops. And, yeah, all 400K won't
get Vista at one time, but it's a target, a projection, if you will. Most
home users will want Vista for the flashy stuff, Aero in all its glory.
Nothing wrong with that...

<Sidebar ON>

I'm downloading SUSE 10.1. I've been downloading it now for about 20
hours. About 100MB's to go and it'll be another 45 minutes. Or so the D/L
progression dlg box tells me. What's that have to do with Vista? Not
much, but, from an end user POV, geez, I D/L'd Vista in a couple of
hours. SUSE distro point must be low bandwidth or not able to handle the
traffic. WhatEVER! Most folks would've given up by now. And, yes, others
may be seeing faster D/L times... but this is my experience and it ain't
great. And we'll see what kind of "Out of Box" experience I have when I
install SUSE Linux. Somehow, I think the Vista BETA will hold up pretty
good to the SUSE production code.

<Sidebar OFF>

Lang

Chad Harris said:
MSFT has absolutely no choice. Crossing your fingers has nothing to do
with it. Every qualitypredictor is that sales and migration are now
projected way down. News is out that MVPs and Major book authors have
torn apart the arrogant roadmap drop the byzantine and convoluted
branches of RC1 around Sept. 7 or so, and then a little more than a
month later to slap lipstick on a systemically very sick pig and call it
Vista.

The slide projecting 400 million Vista desktops in 24 months MSFT was
privately circulating has pretty much fallen on the wishful thinking
scrap heap.


Corporations Look Before They Leap to Vista [You can bet your round
little start button in megathousands of numbers they will when they
realize how sick it is]:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1941463,00.asp

"Large businesses will get the first crack at upgrading to
Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system. But chances are that
they'll still be the last to widely adopt it."


Vista is Constantly Having to Say We're Sorry and Lame/MSFT Reparations
Schemes
MSFT gets into the semantics game:

Opinion: When is a reparation not a reparation? Apparently, when it's a
"customer incentive" program.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000814,00.asp

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2003474,00.asp

"
Instead, Microsoft has chosen to trot out Sunny Jensen Charlebois, the
product manager for its worldwide licensing and pricing group, to anyone
who will listen, so she can deny that any such thing is planned, and to
reinforce the message they want heard, which is that Microsoft always
offers programs to drive adoption when it rolls out a new Windows
operating system.

Here are more details on exactly what Microsoft told us-based on a
transcript of an interview with Allison Watson, the corporate vice
president of Microsoft's Worldwide Partner Group, which I recorded at
the annual Microsoft worldwide partner conference in Boston in July.

When asked how Microsoft planned to address the fact that the delay in
releasing products like Vista and Office would significantly impact
partners and their customers who have volume licensing agreements and
Software Assurance, Watson said: "We have already identified all of the
customers who fall into these buckets and associated partners.

"And, starting two months ago, the worldwide field was empowered with
offers and incentives and a commitment to partner and customer
satisfaction around these issues," she said.

Watson did, however, also try to downplay the effect of product delays
on enterprise customers with volume licensing agreements, and the
partners who work with them, saying that for them it is less about when
a piece of software ships and more about how the software is delivered
and supported and affects the entire product family and their platform."


Gartner Blog : MSFT in Stonewall Mode and the Shoes Will Drop on it Hard
http://vista.blog.gartner.com/blog/index.php?itemid=1107

August, 2006 04:38 PM EST
Microsoft Says "No" to Reparations for SA Customers Due to Vista, Office
Slips
Posted By: Michael Silver, Research VP
"Microsoft has sold its Software Assurance (SA) program largely based on
a "Trust Me" platform. The company doesn't guarantee that a new version
of a product will be delivered during the term of the customer's SA
contract. Although Microsoft has tried to add value to SA since it was
first announced in 2001 (when the only benefits were new product
versions and spread payments), for most organizations, unless they get
new software releases, a three-year SA agreement does not make financial
sense. They have had to trust that Microsoft would ship a new release
during their contracts or would add sufficient value to make it not
matter. For many customers that renewed Office SA in September, October,
and probably November 2003, Microsoft has done neither. These customers
got Office 2003 as part of their prior SA and will not get Office 2007
unless they renew. Most Windows client SA holders have not gotten a new
release during their last renewal, either, due to Windows Vista's
delays, but it's the Office 2007 slip that's bringing this issue to a
head.


I spoke with a client in this predicament recently. This client has tens
of thousands of users and paid Microsoft millions of dollars for Office
SA during the past three years. Understandably, this client is not
happy. Thus far, Microsoft is stonewalling the customer's request to
"make good" before discussing renewal. Press reports on 8 August
indicated that Microsoft was finally relenting, but Microsoft insists
that this is not the case. As previously, company says it is discussing
the situation on a one-to-one basis, but thus far, our reports indicate
that Microsoft will not discuss the issue unless it is in the context of
a new renewal. Understandably, companies want satisfaction before they
even think about renewing. Does this fall into the realm of "fool me
once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"?"


They are in big sales trouble and they know it. They will be making
concessions out the wazoo, and they will increase exponentially when a
significant number of people who know how to drill Vista at the surface
and open the hood start analytically cataloging failed features.

Right now, this moment, in 5506 and the daily builds beyond, they
cannot get Win RE their major recovery tool to work reliable a
signifcant percent of the time, nor can they make another old standby as
a repair tool since Win 98 SFC (Windows File Protection) work in their
daily Vista builds.
Help is very incomplete; and extremly signficant is the fact that every
build is having a slow explorer shell response and the explorer shell is
unstable and breaks causing not only multiple Windows Explorer Problems
but also internet connectivity problems necessitating frequent
workarounds to run IE as elevated at first and then used tabbed browsing
to continue opening windows.

Marketing is lamely turning to a very flawed deployment, UAC which is
gong to cause huge consternation and huge help desk time wastes and huge
home and small business confusion, and such pre-teen targets as Side Bar
gadgets which have been around since the 1980's free by 3rd party with
exponentially more sophisticated functionality and such superficial
features that add little to the OS's working like Aero Glass. They sure
have gotten more than their bang out of Aero Glass. They are also
redduced to marketing something as lame as putting Windows Live links
into Vista, for those not able to learn and type www.live.com which is a
very sophistcated and complex url to commit to memory.

These superficial features, hardly needed, are a great diversion from
the train wreck Vista has evolved to.

CH

Congratulations USA "Numbers of Civilian Deaths Highest ever in July in
Iraq" You have the highest quality killing machine Bush and his morons
can manufacture.

Number of Civilian Deaths Highest in July, Iraqis Say
By EDWARD WONG and DAMIEN CAVE
New York Times
August 16, 2006
Casualties
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 15 - July appears to have been the deadliest month
of the war for Iraqi civilians, according to figures from the Health
Ministry and the Baghdad morgue, reinforcing criticism that the Baghdad
security plan started in June by the new government has failed.

An average of more than 110 Iraqis were killed each day in July,
according to the figures. The total number of civilian deaths that
month, 3,438, is a 9 percent increase over the tally in June and nearly
double the toll in January.

The rising numbers suggested that sectarian violence is spiraling out of
control, and seemed to bolster an assertion many senior Iraqi officials
and American military analysts have made in recent months: that the
country is already embroiled in a civil war, not just slipping toward
one, and that the American-led forces are caught between Sunni Arab
guerrillas and Shiite militias.

The numbers also provide the most definitive evidence yet that the
Baghdad security plan started by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki on
June 14 has not quelled the violence. The plan, promoted by top Iraqi
and American officials at the time, relied on setting up more Iraqi-run
checkpoints to stymie insurgents.

The officials have since acknowledged that the plan has fallen far short
of its aims, forcing the American military to add thousands of soldiers
to the capital this month and to back away from proposals for a
withdrawal of some troops by year's end.

The Baghdad morgue reported receiving 1,855 bodies in July, more than
half of the total deaths recorded in the country. The morgue tally for
July was an 18 percent increase over June.

The American ambassador said in an interview last week that Iraq's
political leaders had failed to use their influence fully to rein in the
soaring violence, and that people associated with the government were
stoking the flames of sectarian hatred.

"I think the time has come for these leaders to take responsibility with
regard to sectarian violence, to the security of Baghdad at the present
time," said the ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad

The American military in recent weeks has been especially eager to prove
that Baghdad can be tamed if American troops are added to the streets
and take a more active role - in effect, a repudiation of earlier
efforts to turn over security more quickly to Iraqis.

The American command has added nearly 4,000 American soldiers to Baghdad
by extending the tour of a combat brigade. Under a new security plan
aimed at overhauling Mr. Maliki's efforts, some of the city's most
violent southern and western areas are now virtually occupied
block-to-block by American and Iraqi forces, with entire neighborhoods
transformed into miniature police states after being sealed off by blast
walls and concertina wire.

When the tally for civilian deaths in July is added to the Iraqi
government numbers for earlier months obtained by the United Nations,
the total indicates that at least 17,776 Iraqi civilians died violently
in the first seven months of this year, or an average of 2,539 per
month.

The Health Ministry did not provide figures for people wounded by
attacks in Baghdad but said that at least 3,597 Iraqis were hurt outside
the city in July, a 25 percent increase over June.

United Nations officials and military analysts say the morgue and
ministry numbers almost certainly reflect severe undercounting, caused
by the haphazard nature of information in a war zone.

Many casualties in areas outside Baghdad probably never appear in the
official count, said Anthony H. Cordesman, a military analyst at the
Center for Strategic and International Studies, a research group in
Washington. That helps explain why fatalities in Baghdad appear to
account for such a large percentage of the total number, he said in a
recent report.

The United Nations has been tracking civilian casualty figures by
collating numbers from the Health Ministry and Baghdad morgue. Last
month, it announced that the Iraqi government's numbers indicated that
3,149 violent deaths had occurred in June, or an average of more than
100 per day.

The statistics were significantly higher than previous civilian death
tolls, and indicated that the news media had drastically underreported
the level of violence in Iraq. The United States government and military
have declined to release overall figures on Iraqi civilian casualties,
or even say whether they are keeping count.

But Iraqi and American officials agree that civilian deaths had been
much lower before wide-scale sectarian violence erupted after the Feb.
22 bombing of a Shiite shrine in Samarra, and has only gotten worse.

In recent weeks, Ambassador Khalilzad and top generals have warned that
the country could slide toward full-blown civil war, especially if the
capital continued fragmenting into ethnic or sectarian enclaves
controlled by militias, as has been happening for months.

Much of the responsibility rests on Iraqi politicians, many of whom have
ties to militias, Mr. Khalilzad said. "I believe that there have been
forces associated with people in the government from both the Shia and
Sunni sides that have participated in this," he said of the violence.

Iraqi politicians are furiously lashing out at one another. On Monday,
the speaker of Parliament, a conservative Sunni Arab, said he was
considering stepping down because of animosity from the Kurdish and
Shiite political blocs.

The move to oust the speaker, Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, appears to have
thrown the Sunni Arab bloc he belongs to, the Iraqi Consensus Front,
into disarray. On Tuesday, a senior member of the bloc, Khalaf
al-Elayan, said the bloc rejected any call for Mr. Mashhadani's
resignation. Another Sunni leader, Adnan al-Dulaimi, said in an
interview that Mr. Mashhadani should step down. Mr. Dulaimi is
considered a possible replacement.

In Karbala, Shiite gunmen and Iraqi military forces exchanged gunfire
for several hours near one of Iraq's holiest Shiite shrines. Witnesses
said the fighting forced the Iraqi Army to block entrances to the city
and impose a curfew, prohibiting all cars and warning residents not to
carry guns.

In Mosul, a suicide bomber detonated a truck packed with explosives,
killing at least 5 civilians and wounding nearly 50 near the offices of
the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the party of President Jalal Talabani.

One of the deadliest attacks in recent weeks took place in southern
Baghdad on Sunday night, when bombs, mortars and rockets killed at least
57 people in a Shiite neighborhood, according to Iraqi officials. The
American military said Tuesday that the death toll had grown to at least
63 and that the cause had been identified: two car bombs that ignited a
gas line.

A day earlier, the American military had said the deaths were due solely
to a gas-main explosion and not to any attack. A spokesman now says that
conclusion was based on "incomplete information."

The well-organized attack came despite the fact that American and Iraqi
troops have flooded areas of southern Baghdad.

Sahar Nageeb and Qais Mizher contributed reporting for this article.




http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/for5/200608171502DOWJONESDJONLINE000772_FORTUNE5.htm

August 17, 2006
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is in talks with its partners about offering
computer buyers coupons that could allow those who purchase new PCs
around the holidays to upgrade for free to its upcoming Windows Vista
operating system.

Vista isn't expected to reach consumers until January and some industry
watchers have expressed concern the release date could weigh on sales
of PCs during the important holiday season.

"We are talking with all our partners about plans for an offer, but
those discussions are ongoing and we have nothing more to share at this
time," a spokesperson for Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft said.


--
Michael
______
"The trouble ain't that there is too many fools,
but that the lightning ain't distributed right."
- Mark Twain
 
T

Todd

Lang Murphy said:
I work on a project which has 400K + clients (yeah, not a typo). They, the
customer, are already screaming for Vista. Not for Aero. For security.
That's a tenth of the projected Vista desktops. And, yeah, all 400K won't
get Vista at one time, but it's a target, a projection, if you will. Most
home users will want Vista for the flashy stuff, Aero in all its glory.
Nothing wrong with that...

In addition to your 400,000, the U.S. Government, probably most other
governments and most corporations big enough to have Enterprise licenses are
also screaming for improved security. Some of them won't go to Vista
immediately, they have been burned by new Microsoft Operating Systems
before, but even if it has problems, they will go to it as soon as they
think they can live with it.
 
C

Chad Harris

I would have no reason to flame you or anyone. I enjoy your posts and your
experience and ability to context with it, and I understood the sidebar
context of the snippet Lang. It just happened I was singling out the
sideabar and Aero glass as cosmetic fixtures was all. I enjoy hearing the
Linux experiences as well. A lot interesting is happening there and I know
some Linux Server admins for large companies who are of course great Windows
users and the area of fixing Windows with Linux and recovering passwords is
also an area I like reading in.

BTW if you are trying different Linux distros, Live CDs, etc. Tech TV (I
don't know if you know the old show) has archived much of their old site and
you can look up some good Linux resources and sites there). Also check out
www.kevinrose.com or now http://krose.typepad.com/ for Linux info and other
good info.

CH


Lang Murphy said:
Chad,

OK, first off, I meant sidebar as in a news sidebar, not a Vista
sidebar... ;-) Wrong phrase, I guess.

Don't think most home or small business users would know either Dan
Stevenson or Desmond Lee from a hole in the ground. I sure don't.

And while, sure, who could argue that everyone wants their OS to be stable
and work as expected, I guess only the gold code will prove that out as we
are all still working with beta code, just FYI (Mwa-ha-ha! Sorry, couldn't
resist. Go ahead and flame me... I deserve it, I admit. Probably deserve
worse than that... like being shot with a sh*t gun. I will NEVER pull that
stunt again, I promise).

I don't work security on the project I'm on. I know we pump out IAVA's as
fast as MS publishes them and since the customer is a target for hackers
worldwide and I haven't heard of any breaches, I'll have to assume our
security guys are doing their jobs right (and, yeah, I know it's the one's
you -don't- hear about that do the most damage...). Point is, if the
customer starts hollering for something, you have to respond. For good or
ill.

Got SuSE 10.1 installed on a GX150 today. Not a great box; 256MB's RAM
(recommended minimum) and a 40GB hard drive. Not overly impressed. Not
with the setup code, not with the desktop. The setup code prompts to D/L
updates and then gives no feedback on what the hell it's doing. None.
Changing the resolution on the desktop was an exercise in frustration.
Only took about 30 minutes to get it right. Forget that. And I think most
home users would. It's a tad sluggish too, but that's not a slam; I
wouldn't expect any modern OS to fly in that space (256MB's RAM).

So, yeah, you might get as good performance with less resources, but, gee,
I ain't interested. Too much work. I might've dicked around with it when I
was younger, but this distro of Linux ain't a good fit for Joe User. IMHO.
And this is supposed to be one of the more user friendly distros.
Understand, I'm not knocking Linux or this distro; if you want to use it;
go ahead, have a blast. But don't tell me, as Novell does, that anyone can
use it easily. I don't buy that for a second. Everyone's got their
marketing spin when it comes to OS's. Microsoft ain't the only OS vendor
to paint their OS with gold foil and try and sell it to the masses as
solid gold. Nope.

Lang





Chad Harris said:
There are a number of home users and business users who don't give a
damn, Lang, about Aero or the juvenile sidebar or any of the superficial
Mickey Mouse things that the Vista synchophants in and out of MSFT keep
jumping up and down with like cheerleaders on IV meth, and are more
concerned why Dan Stevenson, Lead Program Manager from the Vista Lead
Storage PM can't get System File Checker working and in conjunction with
Desmond Lee, Program Manager for the Win RE team, can't get Win RE's
startup repair to work a large percentage of the time when XP's Repair
Install works.

If home users or any users want flash, they should dig into some games.

When this lipsticked pig gets out of the Redmond barnyard, this pent up
demand will plumet.

When people find out the Explorer Shell is less than stable, they won't
be jumping up and down about Aero or the pathetically deployment of UAC.
UAC will be turned off by people in droves because of its unweildy
deployment that simply interrupts production. Many of these
400K+clients have had ample tools to confer security on their systems,
and if it's not getting done I'd blame whomever they pay to run their IT.

When Blaster hit, it shut down the United States' 2nd largest rail system
for 24 hours. I wouldn't have been jumping up and down to give those
CTOs and Sys Ads Christmas bonuses.

CH





Lang Murphy said:
I work on a project which has 400K + clients (yeah, not a typo). They,
the customer, are already screaming for Vista. Not for Aero. For
security. That's a tenth of the projected Vista desktops. And, yeah, all
400K won't get Vista at one time, but it's a target, a projection, if you
will. Most home users will want Vista for the flashy stuff, Aero in all
its glory. Nothing wrong with that...

<Sidebar ON>

I'm downloading SUSE 10.1. I've been downloading it now for about 20
hours. About 100MB's to go and it'll be another 45 minutes. Or so the
D/L progression dlg box tells me. What's that have to do with Vista? Not
much, but, from an end user POV, geez, I D/L'd Vista in a couple of
hours. SUSE distro point must be low bandwidth or not able to handle the
traffic. WhatEVER! Most folks would've given up by now. And, yes, others
may be seeing faster D/L times... but this is my experience and it ain't
great. And we'll see what kind of "Out of Box" experience I have when I
install SUSE Linux. Somehow, I think the Vista BETA will hold up pretty
good to the SUSE production code.

<Sidebar OFF>

Lang

MSFT has absolutely no choice. Crossing your fingers has nothing to do
with it. Every qualitypredictor is that sales and migration are now
projected way down. News is out that MVPs and Major book authors have
torn apart the arrogant roadmap drop the byzantine and convoluted
branches of RC1 around Sept. 7 or so, and then a little more than a
month later to slap lipstick on a systemically very sick pig and call
it Vista.

The slide projecting 400 million Vista desktops in 24 months MSFT was
privately circulating has pretty much fallen on the wishful thinking
scrap heap.


Corporations Look Before They Leap to Vista [You can bet your
round little start button in megathousands of numbers they will when
they realize how sick it is]:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1941463,00.asp

"Large businesses will get the first crack at upgrading to
Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system. But chances are that
they'll still be the last to widely adopt it."


Vista is Constantly Having to Say We're Sorry and Lame/MSFT Reparations
Schemes
MSFT gets into the semantics game:

Opinion: When is a reparation not a reparation? Apparently, when it's a
"customer incentive" program.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000814,00.asp

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2003474,00.asp

"
Instead, Microsoft has chosen to trot out Sunny Jensen Charlebois, the
product manager for its worldwide licensing and pricing group, to
anyone who will listen, so she can deny that any such thing is planned,
and to reinforce the message they want heard, which is that Microsoft
always offers programs to drive adoption when it rolls out a new
Windows operating system.

Here are more details on exactly what Microsoft told us-based on a
transcript of an interview with Allison Watson, the corporate vice
president of Microsoft's Worldwide Partner Group, which I recorded at
the annual Microsoft worldwide partner conference in Boston in July.

When asked how Microsoft planned to address the fact that the delay in
releasing products like Vista and Office would significantly impact
partners and their customers who have volume licensing agreements and
Software Assurance, Watson said: "We have already identified all of the
customers who fall into these buckets and associated partners.

"And, starting two months ago, the worldwide field was empowered with
offers and incentives and a commitment to partner and customer
satisfaction around these issues," she said.

Watson did, however, also try to downplay the effect of product delays
on enterprise customers with volume licensing agreements, and the
partners who work with them, saying that for them it is less about when
a piece of software ships and more about how the software is delivered
and supported and affects the entire product family and their
platform."


Gartner Blog : MSFT in Stonewall Mode and the Shoes Will Drop on it
Hard
http://vista.blog.gartner.com/blog/index.php?itemid=1107

August, 2006 04:38 PM EST
Microsoft Says "No" to Reparations for SA Customers Due to Vista,
Office Slips
Posted By: Michael Silver, Research VP
"Microsoft has sold its Software Assurance (SA) program largely based
on a "Trust Me" platform. The company doesn't guarantee that a new
version of a product will be delivered during the term of the
customer's SA contract. Although Microsoft has tried to add value to SA
since it was first announced in 2001 (when the only benefits were new
product versions and spread payments), for most organizations, unless
they get new software releases, a three-year SA agreement does not make
financial sense. They have had to trust that Microsoft would ship a new
release during their contracts or would add sufficient value to make it
not matter. For many customers that renewed Office SA in September,
October, and probably November 2003, Microsoft has done neither. These
customers got Office 2003 as part of their prior SA and will not get
Office 2007 unless they renew. Most Windows client SA holders have not
gotten a new release during their last renewal, either, due to Windows
Vista's delays, but it's the Office 2007 slip that's bringing this
issue to a head.


I spoke with a client in this predicament recently. This client has
tens of thousands of users and paid Microsoft millions of dollars for
Office SA during the past three years. Understandably, this client is
not happy. Thus far, Microsoft is stonewalling the customer's request
to "make good" before discussing renewal. Press reports on 8 August
indicated that Microsoft was finally relenting, but Microsoft insists
that this is not the case. As previously, company says it is discussing
the situation on a one-to-one basis, but thus far, our reports indicate
that Microsoft will not discuss the issue unless it is in the context
of a new renewal. Understandably, companies want satisfaction before
they even think about renewing. Does this fall into the realm of "fool
me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"?"


They are in big sales trouble and they know it. They will be making
concessions out the wazoo, and they will increase exponentially when a
significant number of people who know how to drill Vista at the surface
and open the hood start analytically cataloging failed features.

Right now, this moment, in 5506 and the daily builds beyond, they
cannot get Win RE their major recovery tool to work reliable a
signifcant percent of the time, nor can they make another old standby
as a repair tool since Win 98 SFC (Windows File Protection) work in
their daily Vista builds.
Help is very incomplete; and extremly signficant is the fact that every
build is having a slow explorer shell response and the explorer shell
is unstable and breaks causing not only multiple Windows Explorer
Problems but also internet connectivity problems necessitating frequent
workarounds to run IE as elevated at first and then used tabbed
browsing to continue opening windows.

Marketing is lamely turning to a very flawed deployment, UAC which is
gong to cause huge consternation and huge help desk time wastes and
huge home and small business confusion, and such pre-teen targets as
Side Bar gadgets which have been around since the 1980's free by 3rd
party with exponentially more sophisticated functionality and such
superficial features that add little to the OS's working like Aero
Glass. They sure have gotten more than their bang out of Aero Glass.
They are also redduced to marketing something as lame as putting
Windows Live links into Vista, for those not able to learn and type
www.live.com which is a very sophistcated and complex url to commit to
memory.

These superficial features, hardly needed, are a great diversion from
the train wreck Vista has evolved to.

CH

Congratulations USA "Numbers of Civilian Deaths Highest ever in July in
Iraq" You have the highest quality killing machine Bush and his morons
can manufacture.

Number of Civilian Deaths Highest in July, Iraqis Say
By EDWARD WONG and DAMIEN CAVE
New York Times
August 16, 2006
Casualties
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 15 - July appears to have been the deadliest month
of the war for Iraqi civilians, according to figures from the Health
Ministry and the Baghdad morgue, reinforcing criticism that the Baghdad
security plan started in June by the new government has failed.

An average of more than 110 Iraqis were killed each day in July,
according to the figures. The total number of civilian deaths that
month, 3,438, is a 9 percent increase over the tally in June and nearly
double the toll in January.

The rising numbers suggested that sectarian violence is spiraling out
of control, and seemed to bolster an assertion many senior Iraqi
officials and American military analysts have made in recent months:
that the country is already embroiled in a civil war, not just slipping
toward one, and that the American-led forces are caught between Sunni
Arab guerrillas and Shiite militias.

The numbers also provide the most definitive evidence yet that the
Baghdad security plan started by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki on
June 14 has not quelled the violence. The plan, promoted by top Iraqi
and American officials at the time, relied on setting up more Iraqi-run
checkpoints to stymie insurgents.

The officials have since acknowledged that the plan has fallen far
short of its aims, forcing the American military to add thousands of
soldiers to the capital this month and to back away from proposals for
a withdrawal of some troops by year's end.

The Baghdad morgue reported receiving 1,855 bodies in July, more than
half of the total deaths recorded in the country. The morgue tally for
July was an 18 percent increase over June.

The American ambassador said in an interview last week that Iraq's
political leaders had failed to use their influence fully to rein in
the soaring violence, and that people associated with the government
were stoking the flames of sectarian hatred.

"I think the time has come for these leaders to take responsibility
with regard to sectarian violence, to the security of Baghdad at the
present time," said the ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad

The American military in recent weeks has been especially eager to
prove that Baghdad can be tamed if American troops are added to the
streets and take a more active role - in effect, a repudiation of
earlier efforts to turn over security more quickly to Iraqis.

The American command has added nearly 4,000 American soldiers to
Baghdad by extending the tour of a combat brigade. Under a new security
plan aimed at overhauling Mr. Maliki's efforts, some of the city's most
violent southern and western areas are now virtually occupied
block-to-block by American and Iraqi forces, with entire neighborhoods
transformed into miniature police states after being sealed off by
blast walls and concertina wire.

When the tally for civilian deaths in July is added to the Iraqi
government numbers for earlier months obtained by the United Nations,
the total indicates that at least 17,776 Iraqi civilians died violently
in the first seven months of this year, or an average of 2,539 per
month.

The Health Ministry did not provide figures for people wounded by
attacks in Baghdad but said that at least 3,597 Iraqis were hurt
outside the city in July, a 25 percent increase over June.

United Nations officials and military analysts say the morgue and
ministry numbers almost certainly reflect severe undercounting, caused
by the haphazard nature of information in a war zone.

Many casualties in areas outside Baghdad probably never appear in the
official count, said Anthony H. Cordesman, a military analyst at the
Center for Strategic and International Studies, a research group in
Washington. That helps explain why fatalities in Baghdad appear to
account for such a large percentage of the total number, he said in a
recent report.

The United Nations has been tracking civilian casualty figures by
collating numbers from the Health Ministry and Baghdad morgue. Last
month, it announced that the Iraqi government's numbers indicated that
3,149 violent deaths had occurred in June, or an average of more than
100 per day.

The statistics were significantly higher than previous civilian death
tolls, and indicated that the news media had drastically underreported
the level of violence in Iraq. The United States government and
military have declined to release overall figures on Iraqi civilian
casualties, or even say whether they are keeping count.

But Iraqi and American officials agree that civilian deaths had been
much lower before wide-scale sectarian violence erupted after the Feb.
22 bombing of a Shiite shrine in Samarra, and has only gotten worse.

In recent weeks, Ambassador Khalilzad and top generals have warned that
the country could slide toward full-blown civil war, especially if the
capital continued fragmenting into ethnic or sectarian enclaves
controlled by militias, as has been happening for months.

Much of the responsibility rests on Iraqi politicians, many of whom
have ties to militias, Mr. Khalilzad said. "I believe that there have
been forces associated with people in the government from both the Shia
and Sunni sides that have participated in this," he said of the
violence.

Iraqi politicians are furiously lashing out at one another. On Monday,
the speaker of Parliament, a conservative Sunni Arab, said he was
considering stepping down because of animosity from the Kurdish and
Shiite political blocs.

The move to oust the speaker, Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, appears to have
thrown the Sunni Arab bloc he belongs to, the Iraqi Consensus Front,
into disarray. On Tuesday, a senior member of the bloc, Khalaf
al-Elayan, said the bloc rejected any call for Mr. Mashhadani's
resignation. Another Sunni leader, Adnan al-Dulaimi, said in an
interview that Mr. Mashhadani should step down. Mr. Dulaimi is
considered a possible replacement.

In Karbala, Shiite gunmen and Iraqi military forces exchanged gunfire
for several hours near one of Iraq's holiest Shiite shrines. Witnesses
said the fighting forced the Iraqi Army to block entrances to the city
and impose a curfew, prohibiting all cars and warning residents not to
carry guns.

In Mosul, a suicide bomber detonated a truck packed with explosives,
killing at least 5 civilians and wounding nearly 50 near the offices of
the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the party of President Jalal
Talabani.

One of the deadliest attacks in recent weeks took place in southern
Baghdad on Sunday night, when bombs, mortars and rockets killed at
least 57 people in a Shiite neighborhood, according to Iraqi officials.
The American military said Tuesday that the death toll had grown to at
least 63 and that the cause had been identified: two car bombs that
ignited a gas line.

A day earlier, the American military had said the deaths were due
solely to a gas-main explosion and not to any attack. A spokesman now
says that conclusion was based on "incomplete information."

The well-organized attack came despite the fact that American and Iraqi
troops have flooded areas of southern Baghdad.

Sahar Nageeb and Qais Mizher contributed reporting for this article.




http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/for5/200608171502DOWJONESDJONLINE000772_FORTUNE5.htm

August 17, 2006
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is in talks with its partners about offering
computer buyers coupons that could allow those who purchase new PCs
around the holidays to upgrade for free to its upcoming Windows Vista
operating system.

Vista isn't expected to reach consumers until January and some
industry watchers have expressed concern the release date could weigh
on sales of PCs during the important holiday season.

"We are talking with all our partners about plans for an offer, but
those discussions are ongoing and we have nothing more to share at
this time," a spokesperson for Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft said.


--
Michael
______
"The trouble ain't that there is too many fools,
but that the lightning ain't distributed right."
- Mark Twain
 
C

Chad Harris

LOL Todd--

I"m glad the US gov is "screaming" for security because the performance
I've seen from Mike Chertoff and the incompetents at Homland Security has
been nothing but horrendous.

Not too long ago as Mark Minasi has pointed out, they were putting their
backups stacked on top of their boxes and servers instead of off site.

One of their major consultants--you guessed it MSFT.

I just listened to the presentation of the critique of Norad and the FAA and
the Bush administration by the attorneys for the 911 Comission including the
non-stop lying and fighting to cover up tapes by the Pentagon. Not pretty.

The same chaos would occur again, including panic in the West Wing.

Homeland Security has done a nice job of stealing with credit cards,
including expensive meals, IPODS, laptops, guns as has the FBI. The agenda
still is politics and pork barrell and if I were a terrorist I would be
ecstatic this crew Chertoff, Rumsfield, Cheney, Rice, Hadley at NSA, Mike
Hayden, CIA are in place. I would love the way they are terrorizing their
own people with a never ending cascade of wiretapping, data mining, and
ineffective rights violations and making my life easier.

I would particularly love the moronic way that their attorney general is
claiming a reason wire tapping is constitutional that he alleges he cannot
divluge.

"Just trust us" is the last thing I'd do with these clowns who couldn't
secure their way out of a wet paper bag.

CH
 
L

Lang Murphy

Colin,

Seems like I try some flavor of Linux every two years or so... Last one was
Red Hat 8.0, I think. If YaST is the best Linux has to offer for an OS
setup, gee, Vista's setup is far better. No comparison. YaST offers to run
updates during the install and then goes off into the darkness and doesn't
offer up any information on what it's doing while it goes off and, I assume,
catalogs which updates are available and applicable. I thought it might've
locked up... but no, 10 or 15 minutes later it came back with a list of
updates. Then, when all updates were selected, it threw a dialog about not
updating the kernel because that might hose device discovery. The dialog
thrown was not intuitive in terms of what choice should be made, I mean, if
it's going to hose device discovery, why even offer it as an update during
setup?

When I first got into computers, mid/late-80's, I spent a lot of time
messing around with them to teach myself about them. Learned in DOS and
moved to Windows 2.1. Taught myself dBase III +, which has served me well
throughout my IT career; not dBase, but the programming experience which I
leveraged when moving to WinBatch. So, yeah, I still "mess" with computers
on the job, but at home, for home type needs, I , and I'm tempted to throw
the caps lock key on here, but
won't... -don't- -want- -to- -mess- -with- -my- -home- -PC's-. No desire
whatsoever. Linux, to me, equals a whole lot of messin' going on, to quote
Little Richard.

And, so, having dipped my toes into the SuSE 10.1 pool, I shall retract them
and return, quite happily, to my Vista Beta code and keep my fingers crossed
that MS doesn't screw the pooch when they release the gold code. Nuff said.

Lang


Colin Barnhorst said:
If I may contribute a thought, SuSE uses the YaST 2 installer. I think
that is easily the most sophisticated installer of all the Linux distros.
A lot better than the Anaconda installer used by the RH/Fedora line. YaST
is especially adept in hardware detection.

MICHAEL said:
SUSE 10.1 is the best Linux flavor I have tried-
by far.

Just downloaded it last week, seemed rather speedy
to me. Maybe 4 or 5 hours, I don't really remember.
Not as fast other large downloads I've done, but not too
bad.

I'd be interested in your thoughts about SUSE 10.1.

-Michael


Lang Murphy said:
I work on a project which has 400K + clients (yeah, not a typo). They,
the customer, are already screaming for Vista. Not for Aero. For
security. That's a tenth of the projected Vista desktops. And, yeah, all
400K won't get Vista at one time, but it's a target, a projection, if you
will. Most home users will want Vista for the flashy stuff, Aero in all
its glory. Nothing wrong with that...

<Sidebar ON>

I'm downloading SUSE 10.1. I've been downloading it now for about 20
hours. About 100MB's to go and it'll be another 45 minutes. Or so the
D/L progression dlg box tells me. What's that have to do with Vista? Not
much, but, from an end user POV, geez, I D/L'd Vista in a couple of
hours. SUSE distro point must be low bandwidth or not able to handle the
traffic. WhatEVER! Most folks would've given up by now. And, yes, others
may be seeing faster D/L times... but this is my experience and it ain't
great. And we'll see what kind of "Out of Box" experience I have when I
install SUSE Linux. Somehow, I think the Vista BETA will hold up pretty
good to the SUSE production code.

<Sidebar OFF>

Lang

MSFT has absolutely no choice. Crossing your fingers has nothing to do
with it. Every qualitypredictor is that sales and migration are now
projected way down. News is out that MVPs and Major book authors have
torn apart the arrogant roadmap drop the byzantine and convoluted
branches of RC1 around Sept. 7 or so, and then a little more than a
month later to slap lipstick on a systemically very sick pig and call
it Vista.

The slide projecting 400 million Vista desktops in 24 months MSFT was
privately circulating has pretty much fallen on the wishful thinking
scrap heap.


Corporations Look Before They Leap to Vista [You can bet your
round little start button in megathousands of numbers they will when
they realize how sick it is]:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1941463,00.asp

"Large businesses will get the first crack at upgrading to
Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system. But chances are that
they'll still be the last to widely adopt it."


Vista is Constantly Having to Say We're Sorry and Lame/MSFT Reparations
Schemes
MSFT gets into the semantics game:

Opinion: When is a reparation not a reparation? Apparently, when it's a
"customer incentive" program.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000814,00.asp

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2003474,00.asp

"
Instead, Microsoft has chosen to trot out Sunny Jensen Charlebois, the
product manager for its worldwide licensing and pricing group, to
anyone who will listen, so she can deny that any such thing is planned,
and to reinforce the message they want heard, which is that Microsoft
always offers programs to drive adoption when it rolls out a new
Windows operating system.

Here are more details on exactly what Microsoft told us-based on a
transcript of an interview with Allison Watson, the corporate vice
president of Microsoft's Worldwide Partner Group, which I recorded at
the annual Microsoft worldwide partner conference in Boston in July.

When asked how Microsoft planned to address the fact that the delay in
releasing products like Vista and Office would significantly impact
partners and their customers who have volume licensing agreements and
Software Assurance, Watson said: "We have already identified all of the
customers who fall into these buckets and associated partners.

"And, starting two months ago, the worldwide field was empowered with
offers and incentives and a commitment to partner and customer
satisfaction around these issues," she said.

Watson did, however, also try to downplay the effect of product delays
on enterprise customers with volume licensing agreements, and the
partners who work with them, saying that for them it is less about when
a piece of software ships and more about how the software is delivered
and supported and affects the entire product family and their
platform."


Gartner Blog : MSFT in Stonewall Mode and the Shoes Will Drop on it
Hard
http://vista.blog.gartner.com/blog/index.php?itemid=1107

August, 2006 04:38 PM EST
Microsoft Says "No" to Reparations for SA Customers Due to Vista,
Office Slips
Posted By: Michael Silver, Research VP
"Microsoft has sold its Software Assurance (SA) program largely based
on a "Trust Me" platform. The company doesn't guarantee that a new
version of a product will be delivered during the term of the
customer's SA contract. Although Microsoft has tried to add value to SA
since it was first announced in 2001 (when the only benefits were new
product versions and spread payments), for most organizations, unless
they get new software releases, a three-year SA agreement does not make
financial sense. They have had to trust that Microsoft would ship a new
release during their contracts or would add sufficient value to make it
not matter. For many customers that renewed Office SA in September,
October, and probably November 2003, Microsoft has done neither. These
customers got Office 2003 as part of their prior SA and will not get
Office 2007 unless they renew. Most Windows client SA holders have not
gotten a new release during their last renewal, either, due to Windows
Vista's delays, but it's the Office 2007 slip that's bringing this
issue to a head.


I spoke with a client in this predicament recently. This client has
tens of thousands of users and paid Microsoft millions of dollars for
Office SA during the past three years. Understandably, this client is
not happy. Thus far, Microsoft is stonewalling the customer's request
to "make good" before discussing renewal. Press reports on 8 August
indicated that Microsoft was finally relenting, but Microsoft insists
that this is not the case. As previously, company says it is discussing
the situation on a one-to-one basis, but thus far, our reports indicate
that Microsoft will not discuss the issue unless it is in the context
of a new renewal. Understandably, companies want satisfaction before
they even think about renewing. Does this fall into the realm of "fool
me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"?"


They are in big sales trouble and they know it. They will be making
concessions out the wazoo, and they will increase exponentially when a
significant number of people who know how to drill Vista at the surface
and open the hood start analytically cataloging failed features.

Right now, this moment, in 5506 and the daily builds beyond, they
cannot get Win RE their major recovery tool to work reliable a
signifcant percent of the time, nor can they make another old standby
as a repair tool since Win 98 SFC (Windows File Protection) work in
their daily Vista builds.
Help is very incomplete; and extremly signficant is the fact that every
build is having a slow explorer shell response and the explorer shell
is unstable and breaks causing not only multiple Windows Explorer
Problems but also internet connectivity problems necessitating frequent
workarounds to run IE as elevated at first and then used tabbed
browsing to continue opening windows.

Marketing is lamely turning to a very flawed deployment, UAC which is
gong to cause huge consternation and huge help desk time wastes and
huge home and small business confusion, and such pre-teen targets as
Side Bar gadgets which have been around since the 1980's free by 3rd
party with exponentially more sophisticated functionality and such
superficial features that add little to the OS's working like Aero
Glass. They sure have gotten more than their bang out of Aero Glass.
They are also redduced to marketing something as lame as putting
Windows Live links into Vista, for those not able to learn and type
www.live.com which is a very sophistcated and complex url to commit to
memory.

These superficial features, hardly needed, are a great diversion from
the train wreck Vista has evolved to.

CH

Congratulations USA "Numbers of Civilian Deaths Highest ever in July in
Iraq" You have the highest quality killing machine Bush and his morons
can manufacture.

Number of Civilian Deaths Highest in July, Iraqis Say
By EDWARD WONG and DAMIEN CAVE
New York Times
August 16, 2006
Casualties
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 15 - July appears to have been the deadliest month
of the war for Iraqi civilians, according to figures from the Health
Ministry and the Baghdad morgue, reinforcing criticism that the Baghdad
security plan started in June by the new government has failed.

An average of more than 110 Iraqis were killed each day in July,
according to the figures. The total number of civilian deaths that
month, 3,438, is a 9 percent increase over the tally in June and nearly
double the toll in January.

The rising numbers suggested that sectarian violence is spiraling out
of control, and seemed to bolster an assertion many senior Iraqi
officials and American military analysts have made in recent months:
that the country is already embroiled in a civil war, not just slipping
toward one, and that the American-led forces are caught between Sunni
Arab guerrillas and Shiite militias.

The numbers also provide the most definitive evidence yet that the
Baghdad security plan started by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki on
June 14 has not quelled the violence. The plan, promoted by top Iraqi
and American officials at the time, relied on setting up more Iraqi-run
checkpoints to stymie insurgents.

The officials have since acknowledged that the plan has fallen far
short of its aims, forcing the American military to add thousands of
soldiers to the capital this month and to back away from proposals for
a withdrawal of some troops by year's end.

The Baghdad morgue reported receiving 1,855 bodies in July, more than
half of the total deaths recorded in the country. The morgue tally for
July was an 18 percent increase over June.

The American ambassador said in an interview last week that Iraq's
political leaders had failed to use their influence fully to rein in
the soaring violence, and that people associated with the government
were stoking the flames of sectarian hatred.

"I think the time has come for these leaders to take responsibility
with regard to sectarian violence, to the security of Baghdad at the
present time," said the ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad

The American military in recent weeks has been especially eager to
prove that Baghdad can be tamed if American troops are added to the
streets and take a more active role - in effect, a repudiation of
earlier efforts to turn over security more quickly to Iraqis.

The American command has added nearly 4,000 American soldiers to
Baghdad by extending the tour of a combat brigade. Under a new security
plan aimed at overhauling Mr. Maliki's efforts, some of the city's most
violent southern and western areas are now virtually occupied
block-to-block by American and Iraqi forces, with entire neighborhoods
transformed into miniature police states after being sealed off by
blast walls and concertina wire.

When the tally for civilian deaths in July is added to the Iraqi
government numbers for earlier months obtained by the United Nations,
the total indicates that at least 17,776 Iraqi civilians died violently
in the first seven months of this year, or an average of 2,539 per
month.

The Health Ministry did not provide figures for people wounded by
attacks in Baghdad but said that at least 3,597 Iraqis were hurt
outside the city in July, a 25 percent increase over June.

United Nations officials and military analysts say the morgue and
ministry numbers almost certainly reflect severe undercounting, caused
by the haphazard nature of information in a war zone.

Many casualties in areas outside Baghdad probably never appear in the
official count, said Anthony H. Cordesman, a military analyst at the
Center for Strategic and International Studies, a research group in
Washington. That helps explain why fatalities in Baghdad appear to
account for such a large percentage of the total number, he said in a
recent report.

The United Nations has been tracking civilian casualty figures by
collating numbers from the Health Ministry and Baghdad morgue. Last
month, it announced that the Iraqi government's numbers indicated that
3,149 violent deaths had occurred in June, or an average of more than
100 per day.

The statistics were significantly higher than previous civilian death
tolls, and indicated that the news media had drastically underreported
the level of violence in Iraq. The United States government and
military have declined to release overall figures on Iraqi civilian
casualties, or even say whether they are keeping count.

But Iraqi and American officials agree that civilian deaths had been
much lower before wide-scale sectarian violence erupted after the Feb.
22 bombing of a Shiite shrine in Samarra, and has only gotten worse.

In recent weeks, Ambassador Khalilzad and top generals have warned that
the country could slide toward full-blown civil war, especially if the
capital continued fragmenting into ethnic or sectarian enclaves
controlled by militias, as has been happening for months.

Much of the responsibility rests on Iraqi politicians, many of whom
have ties to militias, Mr. Khalilzad said. "I believe that there have
been forces associated with people in the government from both the Shia
and Sunni sides that have participated in this," he said of the
violence.

Iraqi politicians are furiously lashing out at one another. On Monday,
the speaker of Parliament, a conservative Sunni Arab, said he was
considering stepping down because of animosity from the Kurdish and
Shiite political blocs.

The move to oust the speaker, Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, appears to have
thrown the Sunni Arab bloc he belongs to, the Iraqi Consensus Front,
into disarray. On Tuesday, a senior member of the bloc, Khalaf
al-Elayan, said the bloc rejected any call for Mr. Mashhadani's
resignation. Another Sunni leader, Adnan al-Dulaimi, said in an
interview that Mr. Mashhadani should step down. Mr. Dulaimi is
considered a possible replacement.

In Karbala, Shiite gunmen and Iraqi military forces exchanged gunfire
for several hours near one of Iraq's holiest Shiite shrines. Witnesses
said the fighting forced the Iraqi Army to block entrances to the city
and impose a curfew, prohibiting all cars and warning residents not to
carry guns.

In Mosul, a suicide bomber detonated a truck packed with explosives,
killing at least 5 civilians and wounding nearly 50 near the offices of
the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the party of President Jalal
Talabani.

One of the deadliest attacks in recent weeks took place in southern
Baghdad on Sunday night, when bombs, mortars and rockets killed at
least 57 people in a Shiite neighborhood, according to Iraqi officials.
The American military said Tuesday that the death toll had grown to at
least 63 and that the cause had been identified: two car bombs that
ignited a gas line.

A day earlier, the American military had said the deaths were due
solely to a gas-main explosion and not to any attack. A spokesman now
says that conclusion was based on "incomplete information."

The well-organized attack came despite the fact that American and Iraqi
troops have flooded areas of southern Baghdad.

Sahar Nageeb and Qais Mizher contributed reporting for this article.




http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/for5/200608171502DOWJONESDJONLINE000772_FORTUNE5.htm

August 17, 2006
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is in talks with its partners about offering
computer buyers coupons that could allow those who purchase new PCs
around the holidays to upgrade for free to its upcoming Windows Vista
operating system.

Vista isn't expected to reach consumers until January and some
industry watchers have expressed concern the release date could weigh
on sales of PCs during the important holiday season.

"We are talking with all our partners about plans for an offer, but
those discussions are ongoing and we have nothing more to share at
this time," a spokesperson for Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft said.


--
Michael
______
"The trouble ain't that there is too many fools,
but that the lightning ain't distributed right."
- Mark Twain
 
L

Lang Murphy

Chad,

Well, I would not have blamed you, or anyone, for flaming me for using "the
phrase that's grossly overused by him that goes unnamed."

I only dipped my toes in the SuSE 10.1 pool because I read a positive review
of it. Not impressed. Not with the setup code. Not with the display settings
code. Not with the fact that neither FireFox or Konquerer (sp?) display TV
Times on ESPN.com. I know Linux is a powerful OS; I am not disputing that at
all. As an end-user OS, though, it is still far, far, behind any flavor of
Windows since W2K, IMHO. So... my time will be better spent learning the
differences between WinPE 1.5 and 2.0 right now. Sometime in 2008, if I
follow my past schedule for doing so, I will dip my toes in the Linux pool
once again.

And thanks for the links...

Lang


Chad Harris said:
I would have no reason to flame you or anyone. I enjoy your posts and your
experience and ability to context with it, and I understood the sidebar
context of the snippet Lang. It just happened I was singling out the
sideabar and Aero glass as cosmetic fixtures was all. I enjoy hearing the
Linux experiences as well. A lot interesting is happening there and I know
some Linux Server admins for large companies who are of course great
Windows users and the area of fixing Windows with Linux and recovering
passwords is also an area I like reading in.

BTW if you are trying different Linux distros, Live CDs, etc. Tech TV (I
don't know if you know the old show) has archived much of their old site
and you can look up some good Linux resources and sites there). Also
check out www.kevinrose.com or now http://krose.typepad.com/ for Linux
info and other good info.

CH


Lang Murphy said:
Chad,

OK, first off, I meant sidebar as in a news sidebar, not a Vista
sidebar... ;-) Wrong phrase, I guess.

Don't think most home or small business users would know either Dan
Stevenson or Desmond Lee from a hole in the ground. I sure don't.

And while, sure, who could argue that everyone wants their OS to be
stable and work as expected, I guess only the gold code will prove that
out as we are all still working with beta code, just FYI (Mwa-ha-ha!
Sorry, couldn't resist. Go ahead and flame me... I deserve it, I admit.
Probably deserve worse than that... like being shot with a sh*t gun. I
will NEVER pull that stunt again, I promise).

I don't work security on the project I'm on. I know we pump out IAVA's as
fast as MS publishes them and since the customer is a target for hackers
worldwide and I haven't heard of any breaches, I'll have to assume our
security guys are doing their jobs right (and, yeah, I know it's the
one's you -don't- hear about that do the most damage...). Point is, if
the customer starts hollering for something, you have to respond. For
good or ill.

Got SuSE 10.1 installed on a GX150 today. Not a great box; 256MB's RAM
(recommended minimum) and a 40GB hard drive. Not overly impressed. Not
with the setup code, not with the desktop. The setup code prompts to D/L
updates and then gives no feedback on what the hell it's doing. None.
Changing the resolution on the desktop was an exercise in frustration.
Only took about 30 minutes to get it right. Forget that. And I think most
home users would. It's a tad sluggish too, but that's not a slam; I
wouldn't expect any modern OS to fly in that space (256MB's RAM).

So, yeah, you might get as good performance with less resources, but,
gee, I ain't interested. Too much work. I might've dicked around with it
when I was younger, but this distro of Linux ain't a good fit for Joe
User. IMHO. And this is supposed to be one of the more user friendly
distros. Understand, I'm not knocking Linux or this distro; if you want
to use it; go ahead, have a blast. But don't tell me, as Novell does,
that anyone can use it easily. I don't buy that for a second. Everyone's
got their marketing spin when it comes to OS's. Microsoft ain't the only
OS vendor to paint their OS with gold foil and try and sell it to the
masses as solid gold. Nope.

Lang





Chad Harris said:
There are a number of home users and business users who don't give a
damn, Lang, about Aero or the juvenile sidebar or any of the
superficial Mickey Mouse things that the Vista synchophants in and out
of MSFT keep jumping up and down with like cheerleaders on IV meth, and
are more concerned why Dan Stevenson, Lead Program Manager from the
Vista Lead Storage PM can't get System File Checker working and in
conjunction with Desmond Lee, Program Manager for the Win RE team, can't
get Win RE's startup repair to work a large percentage of the time when
XP's Repair Install works.

If home users or any users want flash, they should dig into some games.

When this lipsticked pig gets out of the Redmond barnyard, this pent up
demand will plumet.

When people find out the Explorer Shell is less than stable, they won't
be jumping up and down about Aero or the pathetically deployment of UAC.
UAC will be turned off by people in droves because of its unweildy
deployment that simply interrupts production. Many of these
400K+clients have had ample tools to confer security on their systems,
and if it's not getting done I'd blame whomever they pay to run their
IT.

When Blaster hit, it shut down the United States' 2nd largest rail
system for 24 hours. I wouldn't have been jumping up and down to give
those CTOs and Sys Ads Christmas bonuses.

CH





I work on a project which has 400K + clients (yeah, not a typo). They,
the customer, are already screaming for Vista. Not for Aero. For
security. That's a tenth of the projected Vista desktops. And, yeah, all
400K won't get Vista at one time, but it's a target, a projection, if
you will. Most home users will want Vista for the flashy stuff, Aero in
all its glory. Nothing wrong with that...

<Sidebar ON>

I'm downloading SUSE 10.1. I've been downloading it now for about 20
hours. About 100MB's to go and it'll be another 45 minutes. Or so the
D/L progression dlg box tells me. What's that have to do with Vista?
Not much, but, from an end user POV, geez, I D/L'd Vista in a couple of
hours. SUSE distro point must be low bandwidth or not able to handle
the traffic. WhatEVER! Most folks would've given up by now. And, yes,
others may be seeing faster D/L times... but this is my experience and
it ain't great. And we'll see what kind of "Out of Box" experience I
have when I install SUSE Linux. Somehow, I think the Vista BETA will
hold up pretty good to the SUSE production code.

<Sidebar OFF>

Lang

MSFT has absolutely no choice. Crossing your fingers has nothing to do
with it. Every qualitypredictor is that sales and migration are now
projected way down. News is out that MVPs and Major book authors have
torn apart the arrogant roadmap drop the byzantine and convoluted
branches of RC1 around Sept. 7 or so, and then a little more than a
month later to slap lipstick on a systemically very sick pig and call
it Vista.

The slide projecting 400 million Vista desktops in 24 months MSFT was
privately circulating has pretty much fallen on the wishful thinking
scrap heap.


Corporations Look Before They Leap to Vista [You can bet your
round little start button in megathousands of numbers they will when
they realize how sick it is]:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1941463,00.asp

"Large businesses will get the first crack at upgrading to
Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system. But chances are that
they'll still be the last to widely adopt it."


Vista is Constantly Having to Say We're Sorry and Lame/MSFT
Reparations Schemes
MSFT gets into the semantics game:

Opinion: When is a reparation not a reparation? Apparently, when it's
a "customer incentive" program.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000814,00.asp

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2003474,00.asp

"
Instead, Microsoft has chosen to trot out Sunny Jensen Charlebois, the
product manager for its worldwide licensing and pricing group, to
anyone who will listen, so she can deny that any such thing is
planned, and to reinforce the message they want heard, which is that
Microsoft always offers programs to drive adoption when it rolls out a
new Windows operating system.

Here are more details on exactly what Microsoft told us-based on a
transcript of an interview with Allison Watson, the corporate vice
president of Microsoft's Worldwide Partner Group, which I recorded at
the annual Microsoft worldwide partner conference in Boston in July.

When asked how Microsoft planned to address the fact that the delay in
releasing products like Vista and Office would significantly impact
partners and their customers who have volume licensing agreements and
Software Assurance, Watson said: "We have already identified all of
the customers who fall into these buckets and associated partners.

"And, starting two months ago, the worldwide field was empowered with
offers and incentives and a commitment to partner and customer
satisfaction around these issues," she said.

Watson did, however, also try to downplay the effect of product delays
on enterprise customers with volume licensing agreements, and the
partners who work with them, saying that for them it is less about
when a piece of software ships and more about how the software is
delivered and supported and affects the entire product family and
their platform."


Gartner Blog : MSFT in Stonewall Mode and the Shoes Will Drop on it
Hard
http://vista.blog.gartner.com/blog/index.php?itemid=1107

August, 2006 04:38 PM EST
Microsoft Says "No" to Reparations for SA Customers Due to Vista,
Office Slips
Posted By: Michael Silver, Research VP
"Microsoft has sold its Software Assurance (SA) program largely based
on a "Trust Me" platform. The company doesn't guarantee that a new
version of a product will be delivered during the term of the
customer's SA contract. Although Microsoft has tried to add value to
SA since it was first announced in 2001 (when the only benefits were
new product versions and spread payments), for most organizations,
unless they get new software releases, a three-year SA agreement does
not make financial sense. They have had to trust that Microsoft would
ship a new release during their contracts or would add sufficient
value to make it not matter. For many customers that renewed Office SA
in September, October, and probably November 2003, Microsoft has done
neither. These customers got Office 2003 as part of their prior SA and
will not get Office 2007 unless they renew. Most Windows client SA
holders have not gotten a new release during their last renewal,
either, due to Windows Vista's delays, but it's the Office 2007 slip
that's bringing this issue to a head.


I spoke with a client in this predicament recently. This client has
tens of thousands of users and paid Microsoft millions of dollars for
Office SA during the past three years. Understandably, this client is
not happy. Thus far, Microsoft is stonewalling the customer's request
to "make good" before discussing renewal. Press reports on 8 August
indicated that Microsoft was finally relenting, but Microsoft insists
that this is not the case. As previously, company says it is
discussing the situation on a one-to-one basis, but thus far, our
reports indicate that Microsoft will not discuss the issue unless it
is in the context of a new renewal. Understandably, companies want
satisfaction before they even think about renewing. Does this fall
into the realm of "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on
me"?"


They are in big sales trouble and they know it. They will be making
concessions out the wazoo, and they will increase exponentially when a
significant number of people who know how to drill Vista at the
surface and open the hood start analytically cataloging failed
features.

Right now, this moment, in 5506 and the daily builds beyond, they
cannot get Win RE their major recovery tool to work reliable a
signifcant percent of the time, nor can they make another old standby
as a repair tool since Win 98 SFC (Windows File Protection) work in
their daily Vista builds.
Help is very incomplete; and extremly signficant is the fact that
every build is having a slow explorer shell response and the explorer
shell is unstable and breaks causing not only multiple Windows
Explorer Problems but also internet connectivity problems
necessitating frequent workarounds to run IE as elevated at first and
then used tabbed browsing to continue opening windows.

Marketing is lamely turning to a very flawed deployment, UAC which is
gong to cause huge consternation and huge help desk time wastes and
huge home and small business confusion, and such pre-teen targets as
Side Bar gadgets which have been around since the 1980's free by 3rd
party with exponentially more sophisticated functionality and such
superficial features that add little to the OS's working like Aero
Glass. They sure have gotten more than their bang out of Aero Glass.
They are also redduced to marketing something as lame as putting
Windows Live links into Vista, for those not able to learn and type
www.live.com which is a very sophistcated and complex url to commit to
memory.

These superficial features, hardly needed, are a great diversion from
the train wreck Vista has evolved to.

CH

Congratulations USA "Numbers of Civilian Deaths Highest ever in July
in Iraq" You have the highest quality killing machine Bush and his
morons can manufacture.

Number of Civilian Deaths Highest in July, Iraqis Say
By EDWARD WONG and DAMIEN CAVE
New York Times
August 16, 2006
Casualties
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 15 - July appears to have been the deadliest month
of the war for Iraqi civilians, according to figures from the Health
Ministry and the Baghdad morgue, reinforcing criticism that the
Baghdad security plan started in June by the new government has
failed.

An average of more than 110 Iraqis were killed each day in July,
according to the figures. The total number of civilian deaths that
month, 3,438, is a 9 percent increase over the tally in June and
nearly double the toll in January.

The rising numbers suggested that sectarian violence is spiraling out
of control, and seemed to bolster an assertion many senior Iraqi
officials and American military analysts have made in recent months:
that the country is already embroiled in a civil war, not just
slipping toward one, and that the American-led forces are caught
between Sunni Arab guerrillas and Shiite militias.

The numbers also provide the most definitive evidence yet that the
Baghdad security plan started by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki
on June 14 has not quelled the violence. The plan, promoted by top
Iraqi and American officials at the time, relied on setting up more
Iraqi-run checkpoints to stymie insurgents.

The officials have since acknowledged that the plan has fallen far
short of its aims, forcing the American military to add thousands of
soldiers to the capital this month and to back away from proposals for
a withdrawal of some troops by year's end.

The Baghdad morgue reported receiving 1,855 bodies in July, more than
half of the total deaths recorded in the country. The morgue tally for
July was an 18 percent increase over June.

The American ambassador said in an interview last week that Iraq's
political leaders had failed to use their influence fully to rein in
the soaring violence, and that people associated with the government
were stoking the flames of sectarian hatred.

"I think the time has come for these leaders to take responsibility
with regard to sectarian violence, to the security of Baghdad at the
present time," said the ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad

The American military in recent weeks has been especially eager to
prove that Baghdad can be tamed if American troops are added to the
streets and take a more active role - in effect, a repudiation of
earlier efforts to turn over security more quickly to Iraqis.

The American command has added nearly 4,000 American soldiers to
Baghdad by extending the tour of a combat brigade. Under a new
security plan aimed at overhauling Mr. Maliki's efforts, some of the
city's most violent southern and western areas are now virtually
occupied block-to-block by American and Iraqi forces, with entire
neighborhoods transformed into miniature police states after being
sealed off by blast walls and concertina wire.

When the tally for civilian deaths in July is added to the Iraqi
government numbers for earlier months obtained by the United Nations,
the total indicates that at least 17,776 Iraqi civilians died
violently in the first seven months of this year, or an average of
2,539 per month.

The Health Ministry did not provide figures for people wounded by
attacks in Baghdad but said that at least 3,597 Iraqis were hurt
outside the city in July, a 25 percent increase over June.

United Nations officials and military analysts say the morgue and
ministry numbers almost certainly reflect severe undercounting, caused
by the haphazard nature of information in a war zone.

Many casualties in areas outside Baghdad probably never appear in the
official count, said Anthony H. Cordesman, a military analyst at the
Center for Strategic and International Studies, a research group in
Washington. That helps explain why fatalities in Baghdad appear to
account for such a large percentage of the total number, he said in a
recent report.

The United Nations has been tracking civilian casualty figures by
collating numbers from the Health Ministry and Baghdad morgue. Last
month, it announced that the Iraqi government's numbers indicated that
3,149 violent deaths had occurred in June, or an average of more than
100 per day.

The statistics were significantly higher than previous civilian death
tolls, and indicated that the news media had drastically underreported
the level of violence in Iraq. The United States government and
military have declined to release overall figures on Iraqi civilian
casualties, or even say whether they are keeping count.

But Iraqi and American officials agree that civilian deaths had been
much lower before wide-scale sectarian violence erupted after the Feb.
22 bombing of a Shiite shrine in Samarra, and has only gotten worse.

In recent weeks, Ambassador Khalilzad and top generals have warned
that the country could slide toward full-blown civil war, especially
if the capital continued fragmenting into ethnic or sectarian enclaves
controlled by militias, as has been happening for months.

Much of the responsibility rests on Iraqi politicians, many of whom
have ties to militias, Mr. Khalilzad said. "I believe that there have
been forces associated with people in the government from both the
Shia and Sunni sides that have participated in this," he said of the
violence.

Iraqi politicians are furiously lashing out at one another. On Monday,
the speaker of Parliament, a conservative Sunni Arab, said he was
considering stepping down because of animosity from the Kurdish and
Shiite political blocs.

The move to oust the speaker, Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, appears to have
thrown the Sunni Arab bloc he belongs to, the Iraqi Consensus Front,
into disarray. On Tuesday, a senior member of the bloc, Khalaf
al-Elayan, said the bloc rejected any call for Mr. Mashhadani's
resignation. Another Sunni leader, Adnan al-Dulaimi, said in an
interview that Mr. Mashhadani should step down. Mr. Dulaimi is
considered a possible replacement.

In Karbala, Shiite gunmen and Iraqi military forces exchanged gunfire
for several hours near one of Iraq's holiest Shiite shrines. Witnesses
said the fighting forced the Iraqi Army to block entrances to the city
and impose a curfew, prohibiting all cars and warning residents not to
carry guns.

In Mosul, a suicide bomber detonated a truck packed with explosives,
killing at least 5 civilians and wounding nearly 50 near the offices
of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the party of President Jalal
Talabani.

One of the deadliest attacks in recent weeks took place in southern
Baghdad on Sunday night, when bombs, mortars and rockets killed at
least 57 people in a Shiite neighborhood, according to Iraqi
officials. The American military said Tuesday that the death toll had
grown to at least 63 and that the cause had been identified: two car
bombs that ignited a gas line.

A day earlier, the American military had said the deaths were due
solely to a gas-main explosion and not to any attack. A spokesman now
says that conclusion was based on "incomplete information."

The well-organized attack came despite the fact that American and
Iraqi troops have flooded areas of southern Baghdad.

Sahar Nageeb and Qais Mizher contributed reporting for this article.




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