Lost Shut down option at welcome screen

[Ed H]

Suddenly I can't sign off as a user and then choose to shut down computer. I
even try ctl, alt, del but the 'shutdown' flag is blank. I need to sign in
as a user and then shutdown, re-start or standby my PC. There used to be a
red button at the bottom left of the welcome screen that's not there
anymore.

Thanks

 

[Newbie Coder]

Ed H,

Open the Registry:

Click START | RUN
Type 'regedit' (without quotes) & click OK
Naviage to:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system
Key Name: ShutdownWithoutLogon
Type: DWORD
Value: 0 = disabled, 1 = enabled

Create or change the 'ShutdownWithoutLogon' key

Exit the registry editor

 

[Guest]

Suddenly I can't sign off as a user and then choose to shut down computer. I
even try ctl, alt, del but the 'shutdown' flag is blank. I need to sign in
as a user and then shutdown, re-start or standby my PC. There used to be a
red button at the bottom left of the welcome screen that's not there
anymore.

Thanks

After you install a new hardware device or new software, Windows XP may
continuously restart, or you may receive an error message on a blue screen
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322205
HOW TO: Make the Shutdown Button Unavailable in the Logon Dialogue Box in
Windows Server 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/Q816569

Try to edit this Key:
[-]HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer =
"NoClose" REG_DWORD 0000000 (0)

Or this Key:
[-]HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System =
" shutdownwithoutlogon" REG_DWORD 0X0000001 (1)

"undockwithoutlogon" REG_DWORD 0X0000001 (1)

Try to scan for malware and viruses on your system and system Restore to an
earlier date when you have this feature on the system.

 

[Terry]

On 5/12/2007 2:35 PM On a whim, Ed H pounded out on the keyboard

Suddenly I can't sign off as a user and then choose to shut down computer. I
even try ctl, alt, del but the 'shutdown' flag is blank. I need to sign in
as a user and then shutdown, re-start or standby my PC. There used to be a
red button at the bottom left of the welcome screen that's not there
anymore.

Thanks

Hi Ed,

If you are sure you are malware free (you've ran checks with at LEAST
two programs, Ad-Aware & Spybot for starters), then

try this:

Make sure you have a registry backup first (search for ERUNT and install
the registry backup program).

*XP Pro* (I know you have Home, this was for future user searches)
Press the Windows key (between Ctrl & Alt) and R key at the same time to
display the Run dialog box. Next type gpedit.msc and click OK.

Click User Configuration, Administrative Templates, Start Menu and
Taskbar. In the right hand pane you will see a list of options - two of
them being 'Remove and prevent access to the Shut Down command'. If it
is Enabled, change it to Not Configured.


*XP Home*
Open regedit and navigate to:
You can also set them directly via the registry using the registry key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer

Check to see if you don't already have an entry called, NoClose. If you
do, and the value is 1, double click it and change it to zero. If you
DON'T have the entry, right click anywhere and select, New, DWORD value
and type NoClose . It should default to zero.

Reboot and see if Shut Down has not returned.


Report back,

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[Newbie Coder]

Nass,

'NoClose' is for Internet Explorer

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After you install a new hardware device or new software, Windows XP may
continuously restart, or you may receive an error message on a blue screen
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322205
HOW TO: Make the Shutdown Button Unavailable in the Logon Dialogue Box in
Windows Server 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/Q816569

Try to edit this Key:

[-]HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Expl
orer =

"NoClose" REG_DWORD 0000000 (0)

Or this Key:

[-]HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Syst
em =

 

[Newbie Coder]

Ed H,

Don't search for that tool like Terry suggested as there is no point in
cluttering up your system on unneeded software. Here's a Microsoft article
that tells you how:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322756

 

[Terry]

On 5/12/2007 3:34 PM On a whim, Newbie Coder pounded out on the keyboard

Ed H,

Don't search for that tool like Terry suggested as there is no point in
cluttering up your system on unneeded software. Here's a Microsoft article
that tells you how:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322756

OK, so we're already back to "one upping" again? Do you feel BIGGER now
Newbie? This is the attitude I was talking about, your incessant need to
feel better than others.

"Cluttering up your system on unneeded software"... Priceless...

ERUNT is an EXCELLENT registry backup program. If you were any bit
informed as you say you are, you would know that the link you posted by
EXPORTING the registry is not the way to back it up (do you have any
idea why?) (and using Backup is a waste of time also). But I guess you
don't know the difference between an export and a backup. But my guess
is, you will use this info next time the question is asked.

Can you ass-ist without being an ass?

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[Terry]

On 5/12/2007 3:29 PM On a whim, Newbie Coder pounded out on the keyboard

Nass,

'NoClose' is for Internet Explorer

WRONG!
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/reskit/regentry/58867.mspx?mfr=true

I guess you can learn something new every day by a Google search, eh Newbie?

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[Newbie Coder]

Terry,

Just being honest

Why install a third party unneeded piece of software? I was giving the user
an alterative way to your reply.

 

[Newbie Coder]

Its also used to stop IE from being shutdown too Terry

If you want to be pedantic about thing Terry then why didnt you correct the
other post then?

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explor
er
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explore
r

http://www.itv-f1.com/ - just shows you how boring you really are )

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[Newbie Coder]

Oh yeah - my mistake its NoBrowserClose for IE - excuse me

I don't do Google searches for registry I try to go back in my knowledge,
but from memory.

You on the otherhand have to seach Google for everything I see?

 

[Terry]

On 5/12/2007 4:22 PM On a whim, Newbie Coder pounded out on the keyboard

Terry,

Just being honest

Why install a third party unneeded piece of software? I was giving the user
an alterative way to your reply.

An export is NOT a backup (do you know why?). And the software I
suggested is one of the best free ones out there. It should be on every
system. Learn about it before knocking it.

You weren't offering an alternative, you were trying to make your answer
MORE right than mine.


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[Newbie Coder]

Terry,

The user has my original reply, my second reply, yous & another user which
should be enough to sort it out

I just don't see any point in installing software that you don't need. Its
sensible in my eyes.

 

[Terry]

On 5/12/2007 4:32 PM On a whim, Newbie Coder pounded out on the keyboard

Oh yeah - my mistake its NoBrowserClose for IE - excuse me

I don't do Google searches for registry I try to go back in my knowledge,
but from memory.

You on the otherhand have to seach Google for everything I see?

So are you going to go back and apologize in your other posts that you
were adamant about before catching your error? Would you have believed
me without a link? I think not. I had to prove it to you and what
better than a Google search.

I want my posts to have validity, so I give the poster something more
than "going back in my knowledge", which can be incorrect (as you have
first hand knowledge on), can't it. Before "going on knowledge", I
double check my thoughts by searching, to be sure I'm correct, and many
times something already documented puts it into words much better than I
could. Sometimes I have no idea what the answer is, but that doesn't
stop me from trying to help someone. I love a challenge.

But you, "go back to your knowledge" and rely on it alone, and don't try
to verify your answer...okay then. Once again, you're building yourself
up by being too good to use tools available to you. I hope you realize
that helping people isn't about YOU, it's about them. When you can
accept that, I think we can work together.

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[Terry]

On 5/12/2007 4:50 PM On a whim, Newbie Coder pounded out on the keyboard

Terry,

The user has my original reply, my second reply, yous & another user which
should be enough to sort it out

I just don't see any point in installing software that you don't need. Its
sensible in my eyes.

(I'd call you by name here if you had one),

And it's foolish for a non-techie to make modifications to the registry
without a proper backup, NOT an export as you suggested. If they add a
key to the registry and it screws something up, importing a registry
export will NOT remove the bad key, whereas a backup would restore it to
the point prior to the registry edit. Hopefully you can see the
important difference.


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[Newbie Coder]

Terry,

I just take a quick look in these newsgroups tonight (this morning).

At present, am busy coding two remote applications in C++ & VB.NET for work
& to use privately. I'm lazy you see & don't want to manually change 11, 000
machines when I can do it remotely with one application in a few mins.

The article I pointed the user to was written by Microsoft. So, its not any
fly-by-night user. Maybe you should go to that article & fill out the
feedback at the bottom saying they don't know what they are saying & give
them a link to your registry backup tool. Remember, a backup is no good if
its on the same media because you may have a disc fail then you've probably
lost your backup. Does that tool offer backing up to a different HDD or
DVD-R service? Plus, how do you know the tool isn't malicious?

 

[Terry]

On 5/12/2007 5:30 PM On a whim, Newbie Coder pounded out on the keyboard

Terry,

I just take a quick look in these newsgroups tonight (this morning).

At present, am busy coding two remote applications in C++ & VB.NET for work
& to use privately. I'm lazy you see & don't want to manually change 11, 000
machines when I can do it remotely with one application in a few mins.

The article I pointed the user to was written by Microsoft. So, its not any
fly-by-night user. Maybe you should go to that article & fill out the
feedback at the bottom saying they don't know what they are saying & give
them a link to your registry backup tool. Remember, a backup is no good if
its on the same media because you may have a disc fail then you've probably
lost your backup. Does that tool offer backing up to a different HDD or
DVD-R service? Plus, how do you know the tool isn't malicious?

Well, AGAIN talking about yourself...I'm glad you're busy doing
something you enjoy. But does the world care?

One can only hope that when editing the registry, that their backup to
the media will survive. That doesn't have anything to do with the
discussion. It's a completely different subject.

I'm not going to explain the utility I recommended. Every consultant I
know is familiar with it. I install it on every machine I configure or
work on. I trust it. On the other hand, System Restore has NEVER
worked when it was called on, for me, for friends, for clients (I'm
aware of the differences).

"..how do you know the tool isn't malicious?" Let's see, you send an
attachment to someone in a newsgroup, asking them to trust you, a
perfect stranger, and you have the gall to ask that stupid question? As
I stated to you originally, "it has to prove the test of time". The
program I recommended has proven itself over the internet, have you?

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Terry,

But someone has to test it first to see if its safe or not & if it isn't
then it's a little too late. The applications I write are safe because I
wouldn't let the others use them until I knew they were 100% safe

Is that program freeware as you install it on all those machines?

No, not talking about myself again I am just busy, hence I am coding at 2am
for something I want to do on Monday for work. It's called commitment

See you,

 

[Terry]

On 5/12/2007 6:02 PM On a whim, Newbie Coder pounded out on the keyboard

Terry,

But someone has to test it first to see if its safe or not & if it isn't
then it's a little too late. The applications I write are safe because I
wouldn't let the others use them until I knew they were 100% safe

Is that program freeware as you install it on all those machines?

No, not talking about myself again I am just busy, hence I am coding at 2am
for something I want to do on Monday for work. It's called commitment

See you,

Yes, it's freeware. I have my own integrity to deal with.

I'm surprised you don't see the irony in your explanation of what is
safe and what isn't. Don't you see it? NO ONE knows you. What gives
your apps validity to anyone reading on the internet? NOTHING. Personal
friends, clients, sure, give them all you've got, they've known you for
years, personally at that. But you can't do the same thing here. If
you had a website that has been up and running for five years and your
apps had been tried and tested, fine. But you've only been around here
a short time (at least by your name), REGARDLESS of your qualifications.
You could have a PhD in EE, but to me and everyone else reading here,
you're NOBODY, and could be completely lying about yourself. Do you get
this? You could very well be all you've stated, but you could also be
making it all up. How are we supposed to know? Just because you say
they're 100% safe, we're supposed to blindly believe you? And yet you
ask if a tried and tested utility is safe. DON'T believe me! Do what
you consider USELESS, and Google search it, and let the results talk for
themselves. Now Google search "Newbie Coder", and see if you can find
anything relevant to yourself. Get it?

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Terry,

I have been using newsgroups for many, many, many years. I had a short break
I know & came back with the username I use now & for the past year & a bit.
This is because I left coding for around 8-9 months

Everything I have said is the truth & all application i write are 100% safe.
I am sure if you could code & wanted to go that extra step to help the user
you would too. That's all I am doing with creating small applications for
someone