Logon issue


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MikeR

I'm using FP2002. I had to do a repair install of Windows XP SP3. I don't do a user
sign-on, and don't have a user password.

Now when I try to connect to a web on my machine, I enter my user name and no
password (as I used to) and click OK, FP replaces it with machinename/username and
goes nowhere. Connecting to a remote web works fine.

I'm not sure if this is a FP issue, but thought I'd start here.

Thanks,
Mike
 
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Mark Fitzpatrick

Mike,
Let me make sure I have it correct. When you try to open your local webs
you're getting prompted for a username and password? Now, you may not think
you have a username and password but you do. Every part of Windows XP has
some sort of security permission on it. So what's probably happening is when
you try to access the local web server, you're being asked for a username
and password by either the web server, the FP Server Extensions, or the file
that's trying to be opened. This is usually a permissions error with
Windows. The reason, when you re-install an operating system it either a)
creates a whole new list of user accounts since it can't keep the old ones
around, or b) it doesn't over-write the old accounts but something to do
with how the accounts are inherited from the root folders gets messed up.

Now, first thing we need to know is, is this XP Pro? and if so are you
running Internet Information Services with it? Then, how are you trying to
open the file, through http://localhost/webname or through the file system
such as d:\\my documents\\my web?

Hope this helps,
Mark Fitzpatrick
 
K

Kathleen Anderson

M

MikeR

Hi Mark - Inline
Mark said:
Mike,
Let me make sure I have it correct. When you try to open your local webs
you're getting prompted for a username and password? Yes.

Now, you may not think you have a username and password but you do.
Well, OK - but the PW is blank
Every part of Windows XP has some sort of security permission on it. So what's probably
happening is when you try to access the local web server, you're being
asked for a username and password by either the web server, the FP
Server Extensions, or the file that's trying to be opened. This is
usually a permissions error with Windows. The reason, when you
re-install an operating system it either a) creates a whole new list of
user accounts since it can't keep the old ones around, or b) it doesn't
over-write the old accounts but something to do with how the accounts
are inherited from the root folders gets messed up.

Now, first thing we need to know is, is this XP Pro? and if so are you
running Internet Information Services with it? Then, how are you trying
to open the file, through http://localhost/webname or through the file
system such as d:\\my documents\\my web?
Yes. Yes. http://localhost/webname
 
M

MikeR

Kathleen said:
Did the repair of Windows XP SP3 include installing IE7? If so, try this:

In IE7 Tools | Internet Options | Security | Local Intranet | Sites |
Advanced and add localhost to the list.
Hi Kathleen -
Do you mean the word localhost itself? If so, no joy with it.
 
M

Mark Fitzpatrick

That's helpful. So, viewing through localhost is getting the error. Even
though IIS is running on a destktop, it will try to authenticate every
single action since the Win XP version of IIS (IIS 5.1) is pretty much the
same as the version that ships with Win 2000 Server (IIS 5.0) with the only
restriction that it can only support 10 connections at a time.

The request for opening the web will check the Access Control Lists (ACLs)
that exist on every file. This even happens when browing a page, and IIS is
able to authenticate the user as the Internet User Guest Account (the
IUSR_machinename account). The easiest thing you can try is to go to Control
Panel | Administrative Tools | Internet information Services to open the IIS
administrator Applet. I may have the exact locations off because I don't
have a Win XP machine handy. Next, expand out the nodes of the Default Web
Site. Right-click on one of the trouble nodes and, under New (or another
grouping like tasks) look for words akin to New Administrator. This will
launch a dialog where you can type the name of your user account in. This
should get the permissions for that web going. You can also try applying it
to the main Default Web Site and see if it propegates down to the others.

Hope this helps,
Mark Fitzpatrick
 
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Gjoviking

Mark Fitzpatrick said:
Mike,
Let me make sure I have it correct. When you try to open your local webs
you're getting prompted for a username and password? Now, you may not think
you have a username and password but you do. Every part of Windows XP has
some sort of security permission on it. So what's probably happening is when
you try to access the local web server, you're being asked for a username
and password by either the web server, the FP Server Extensions, or the file
that's trying to be opened. This is usually a permissions error with
Windows. The reason, when you re-install an operating system it either a)
creates a whole new list of user accounts since it can't keep the old ones
around, or b) it doesn't over-write the old accounts but something to do
with how the accounts are inherited from the root folders gets messed up.

Now, first thing we need to know is, is this XP Pro? and if so are you
running Internet Information Services with it? Then, how are you trying to
open the file, through http://localhost/webname or through the file system
such as d:\\my documents\\my web?

Hope this helps,
Mark Fitzpatrick
 
M

MikeR

Mark said:
That's helpful. So, viewing through localhost is getting the error. Even
though IIS is running on a destktop, it will try to authenticate every
single action since the Win XP version of IIS (IIS 5.1) is pretty much
the same as the version that ships with Win 2000 Server (IIS 5.0) with
the only restriction that it can only support 10 connections at a time.

The request for opening the web will check the Access Control Lists
(ACLs) that exist on every file. This even happens when browing a page,
and IIS is able to authenticate the user as the Internet User Guest
Account (the IUSR_machinename account). The easiest thing you can try is
to go to Control Panel | Administrative Tools | Internet information
Services to open the IIS administrator Applet. I may have the exact
locations off because I don't have a Win XP machine handy. Next, expand
out the nodes of the Default Web Site. Right-click on one of the trouble
nodes and, under New (or another grouping like tasks) look for words
akin to New Administrator. This will launch a dialog where you can type
the name of your user account in. This should get the permissions for
that web going. You can also try applying it to the main Default Web
Site and see if it propegates down to the others.

The name can only be entered for the main Default Web Site. It apparently was already
there, because when I put it in this time, I uppercased it (Mikey) and FP now throws
up machinename/Mikey instead of machinename/mikey as it did before. I don't recall
that it added the machinename/ before the problem began.

There was no change in FP reaction.

In the IIS console, one of the items under the 'All Tasks' dialog is 'Open With
Front Page'. It doesn't recognize that I have FP installed.
 
R

Ronx

In the IIS console, one of the items under the 'All Tasks' dialog is 'Open
With Front Page'. It doesn't recognize that I have FP installed.

That's normal - that has been broken since FrontPage 98.

FYI, I have never been able to open a web hosted on IIS or PWS in FrontPage
without a non-empty password.
 
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MikeR

Ronx said:
That's normal - that has been broken since FrontPage 98.

FYI, I have never been able to open a web hosted on IIS or PWS in FrontPage
without a non-empty password.

I have never set a non-blank user PW on any of my three XP boxes, because I am the
only user at home. AIR, I just hit 'Enter' at the prompt. I'm not sure what XP sees
that as.

But I have never had to enter a PW in FP.

I sure hope I don't have to create a new user, and go thru the (admittedly small)
hassle of a formal sign-on.
 
M

MikeR

Solved. I set the permissions for the Guest Internet Account and BINGO! Now it
doesn't prompt for a signon at all.
 
A

Andrew Murray

MikeR said:
Solved. I set the permissions for the Guest Internet Account and BINGO!
Now it doesn't prompt for a signon at all.

Why are you using a Guest Windows account? From what I hear that should
not be used at all.
 
M

MikeR

Andrew said:
Why are you using a Guest Windows account? From what I hear that
should not be used at all.
It was a shot in the dark. That's the IUSR_ account.

But all is still not well. I can connect to the local web, and publish back and forth
between it and the remote site, but cannot edit a file on the local web. When I try
to save it, FP tells me 'Server error. Cannot open changeact.asp for read/write.'

So something is still at odds between FP and XP.
 
M

MikeR

More info -
If I open the site as C:\InetPub\wwwroot\etc\etc.asp then I can edit and publish.
 
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MikeR

MikeR said:
I'm using FP2002. I had to do a repair install of Windows XP SP3. I
don't do a user sign-on, and don't have a user password.

Now when I try to connect to a web on my machine, I enter my user name
and no password (as I used to) and click OK, FP replaces it with
machinename/username and goes nowhere. Connecting to a remote web works
fine.

I'm not sure if this is a FP issue, but thought I'd start here.

Thanks,
Mike
Would someone look in Windows Explorer and tell me what the permissons are for the
local site?

How about IIS?

Is it normal for FP to replace User Name with machinename/username when I click OK?

<whimper>I'd *REALLY* like to get this resolved.</whimper>
 
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MikeR

Tom said:
You've snipped it out..people don't know what you're asking about.

Sorry, Tom -
I assumed (my bad) that the thread was able to be followed. I have my news reader set
to show any threads with unrread posts. I did have some replies earlier, but the
problem persists.

I'm using FP2002. I had to do a repair install of Windows XP SP3. I don't do a user
sign-on, and don't have a user password.

Now when I try to connect to a web on my machine, I enter my user name and no
password (as I used to) and click OK, FP replaces it with machinename/username and
goes nowhere. Connecting to a remote web works fine.

I'm not sure if this is a FP issue, but thought I'd start here.

Would someone look in Windows Explorer and tell me what the permissons are for the
local site?

How about IIS?

Is it normal for FP to replace User Name with machinename/username when I click OK?
 

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