logon and pw issues

[Vic]

Being new to XP I see there is quite a learning curve to understanding networking. I have questions regarding user names and
passwords.

CONFIGURATION:
2 pc's (old, new)
old = Win95, Win98 (dual boot)
new = Xp1 pro

NETWORK, setup with NetBEUI (to allow 95 access)

User name and pw's are the same for W95/98 on old pc (full name, pw)
XP is setup with my SHORT name (Vic), same pw as on old pc.

To gain access to XP I must log into 95/98 using logon name 'Vic', then I have full access. Network works great. I've tried to
change my name in XP to full name (to match W95/98) and did so (control panel, users). I log on to XP using full name, same pw.
W95/98 cannot gain access (XP sees old pc just fine though).

The only way I can gain access to XP is to use the EXACT name/pw the user profile was created under. In other words, if I create a
user account with my full name, pw, W95/98 gains access, but to change the name of the 'Vic' account to Victor + (middle name, last
name) does not work!

Hope I am able to explain so you'll understand.

I'd like to have all OS's recognise me as FULL NAME (without creating a new user account in XP and loosing all my settings) and
immediately be able to network. I don't want to have to log on, log off to different user names to network (wish I knew to install
XP with full name for user, I used full name as administrator).

Is there ANY way to change the name of the 'Vic' user profile and have XP know Vic (FULL NAME) is logged in, and allow access to
others who log into work station as FULL NAME, gain access?

TIA,
Vic

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Being new to XP I see there is quite a learning curve to understanding networking. I have questions regarding user names and
passwords.

CONFIGURATION:
2 pc's (old, new)
old = Win95, Win98 (dual boot)
new = Xp1 pro

NETWORK, setup with NetBEUI (to allow 95 access)

User name and pw's are the same for W95/98 on old pc (full name, pw)
XP is setup with my SHORT name (Vic), same pw as on old pc.

To gain access to XP I must log into 95/98 using logon name 'Vic', then I have full access. Network works great. I've tried to
change my name in XP to full name (to match W95/98) and did so (control panel, users). I log on to XP using full name, same pw.
W95/98 cannot gain access (XP sees old pc just fine though).

The only way I can gain access to XP is to use the EXACT name/pw the user profile was created under. In other words, if I create a
user account with my full name, pw, W95/98 gains access, but to change the name of the 'Vic' account to Victor + (middle name, last
name) does not work!

Hope I am able to explain so you'll understand.

I'd like to have all OS's recognise me as FULL NAME (without creating a new user account in XP and loosing all my settings) and
immediately be able to network. I don't want to have to log on, log off to different user names to network (wish I knew to install
XP with full name for user, I used full name as administrator).

Is there ANY way to change the name of the 'Vic' user profile and have XP know Vic (FULL NAME) is logged in, and allow access to
others who log into work station as FULL NAME, gain access?

TIA,
Vic

Here are three different solutions to the problem. Pick whichever one
you like:

1. Create a new account on the XP computer with the same full user
name and password that you now use to log onto W95/98. You won't lose
any settings on the XP computer, and you can still log in onto XP
using the short user name.

2. Log onto W95/98 using the short user name that you already use on
XP.

3. Un-share the shared disks and folders on XP, enable simple file
sharing, and re-share the disks and folders.

For details of why all of those methods work, see:

Windows XP Professional File Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_filesharing/index.htm

By the way, there's no need for NetBEUI. All versions of Windows,
including 95, can network using TCP/IP as the only protocol.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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[Vic]

Thanks for your reply Steve

Actually I was hoping for some other (easier) method than your three. I will have to consider what to do before too much customizing
is done on the short name account.

Regarding W95 and XP. I had heard long ago the two were not compatible networking. In fact I tried using TCP/IP and the install
3-1/2" disk from XP's network wizard and the disk would not install in W95. To me that confirmed what I heard long ago, hence
NetBEUI protocol (which works fine, plus I kept a MORE secure system on W95/98. On 98 the port 137 was open using XP's auto config,
otherwise it is blocked without a firewall).

It there a web site of something explaining how to network XP & 95?

Thanks again for your help
Vic

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Thanks for your reply Steve

You're welcome, Vic.

Actually I was hoping for some other (easier) method than your three. I will have to consider what to do before
too much customizing is done on the short name account.

I don't think that anything could be easier than my method #1. All
you have to do is create a new user account on XP. After that, you
can ignore that account and continue to log into XP using the old one.
The new account's only purpose is to allow access by the equivalent
account on W95/98.

Method #2 is easy, since it doesn't matter what login name you use on
W95 and W98.

Method #3 is a simple, one-time change on XP.

Regarding W95 and XP. I had heard long ago the two were not compatible networking.

Whoever said that is wrong.

In fact I tried using TCP/IP and the install 3-1/2" disk from XP's network wizard and the disk would not install in W95.
To me that confirmed what I heard long ago, hence NetBEUI protocol (which works fine, plus I kept a MORE secure
system on W95/98.

It's true that XP's Network Setup Wizard disk won't run on W95. That
doesn't mean that XP and 95 are incompatible. It means that you have
to configure the network settings on W95 manually, just like you've
always had to do on W95.

On 98 the port 137 was open using XP's auto config, otherwise it is blocked without a firewall).

Every computer that connects to the Internet needs a firewall, even if
it uses a protocol other than TCP/IP for file and printer sharing.

The potential dangers of port 137 (NetBIOS) have been grossly
exaggerated, even by "security experts" such as Steve Gibson of
grc.com.

The only situation I know of in which it's unsafe to share files and
printers using NetBIOS and TCP/IP is when:

1. All of the computers connect directly to the Internet and receive
public IP addresses from the Internet service provider, and:

2. There's no firewall to block access by other Internet users.

I've never seen such a setup in the dozens of Windows networks that
I've used. More common setups, such as Internet access through a
broadband router or Internet Connection Sharing host, are safe.

It there a web site of something explaining how to network XP & 95?

On Windows 95, go to Control Panel | Network and:

1. Add these network components if they aren't already present:

TCP/IP protocol
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks

2. Remove these network components if they're present:

IPX/SPX protocol
NetBEUI protocol
Client for NetWare networks

3. Set the workgroup name to the same name as the Windows XP computer
uses (default for XP is MSHOME).

If there's a DHCP server on your network (broadband router or Windows
XP computer configured as an Internet Connection Sharing host), that's
all there is to it. The DHCP server will automatically assign TCP/IP
properties to Windows 95. For information on ICS, see:

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics

Otherwise, assign static IP addresses to both computers.

On Windows XP:

1. Open the Network Connections folder.
2. Right click the network connection.
3. Click Properties.
4. Double click "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP).
5. Click "Use the following IP address".
6. Enter IP address 192.168.0.1.
7. Enter subnet mask 255.255.255.0.

On Windows 95:

1. Go to Control Panel | Network.
2. Double click "TCP/IP->network adapter".
3. Click "Specify an IP address".
4. Enter IP address 192.168.0.2.
5. Enter subnet mask 255.255.255.0.

Thanks again for your help
Vic

You're welcome again.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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