load time

[Barbara Urquhart]

Hi there,
Just wondering why at the bottom of my web page in Front Page it states load
time as 12 sec. over 28.8 but in the reports page it shows up in the slow
pages at 39.
Which is correct?
thanks for your time,
Barb

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

Because the Design view doesn't take into account any included pages or shared borders or nav bots

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_____________________________________________
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_____________________________________________


| Hi there,
| Just wondering why at the bottom of my web page in Front Page it states load
| time as 12 sec. over 28.8 but in the reports page it shows up in the slow
| pages at 39.
| Which is correct?
| thanks for your time,
| Barb
|
|

 

[Barbara Urquhart]

thanks Stefan, for your reply. I understand that but there is such a big
difference. I have stripped one file down to bare bones and it still records
36 on the slow page report. I will give you two files, one the original with
included content etc. and one I stripped down. Can you see what is causing
the problem for me on the stripped down file. ( Many of my pages are like
this)
thanks so much,
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G.htm
and
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G stripped down.htm
Barb

 

[Murray]

You do know that it's not best practice to use spaces in your
file/pathnames, right?

--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage

thanks Stefan, for your reply. I understand that but there is such a big
difference. I have stripped one file down to bare bones and it still
records 36 on the slow page report. I will give you two files, one the
original with included content etc. and one I stripped down. Can you see
what is causing the problem for me on the stripped down file. ( Many of my
pages are like this)
thanks so much,
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G.htm
and
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G stripped down.htm
Barb

Because the Design view doesn't take into account any included pages or
shared borders or nav bots

--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________


| Hi there,
| Just wondering why at the bottom of my web page in Front Page it states
load
| time as 12 sec. over 28.8 but in the reports page it shows up in the
slow
| pages at 39.
| Which is correct?
| thanks for your time,
| Barb
|
|

 

[Murray]

Your first linked page -

Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 13
Total Size: 39967 bytes

Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes)
HTML: 9733
HTML Images: 11943
CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 11943
Javascript: 17677
CSS: 614
Multimedia: 0
Other: 0

External Objects
External Object QTY
Total HTML: 1
Total HTML Images: 8
Total CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 8
Total Scripts: 3
Total CSS imports: 1
Total Frames: 0
Total Iframes: 0


Your second linked page returns no results - most likely because of the
spaces in the filenames.

39K total weight is not worth getting exercised over.

But your page is too wide for my browser on a 1280x1024 screen meaning that
I need to scroll both horizontally and vertically.

--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage

thanks Stefan, for your reply. I understand that but there is such a big
difference. I have stripped one file down to bare bones and it still
records 36 on the slow page report. I will give you two files, one the
original with included content etc. and one I stripped down. Can you see
what is causing the problem for me on the stripped down file. ( Many of my
pages are like this)
thanks so much,
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G.htm
and
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G stripped down.htm
Barb

Because the Design view doesn't take into account any included pages or
shared borders or nav bots

--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________


| Hi there,
| Just wondering why at the bottom of my web page in Front Page it states
load
| time as 12 sec. over 28.8 but in the reports page it shows up in the
slow
| pages at 39.
| Which is correct?
| thanks for your time,
| Barb
|
|

 

[Barbara Urquhart]

thanks for your response.
I have changed the second file that I stripped down to bare bones, took off
the picture and renamed it without spaces. It still shows only 7 sec over
28.8 on the normal view of the web page in FP but in the reports view it
shows as a slow page with 33 seconds. I have removed all the extras like
borders, java script etc. etc. What is causing the high load time in report
view?
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860Gstrippeddown.htm
Regarding the scrolling, I also removed the main frame. If you look at the
original page it is framed to 780 pixels wide.
Is there something in the html that is causing the page to load slowly??
Barb

Your first linked page -

Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 13
Total Size: 39967 bytes

Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes)
HTML: 9733
HTML Images: 11943
CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 11943
Javascript: 17677
CSS: 614
Multimedia: 0
Other: 0

External Objects
External Object QTY
Total HTML: 1
Total HTML Images: 8
Total CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 8
Total Scripts: 3
Total CSS imports: 1
Total Frames: 0
Total Iframes: 0


Your second linked page returns no results - most likely because of the
spaces in the filenames.

39K total weight is not worth getting exercised over.

But your page is too wide for my browser on a 1280x1024 screen meaning
that I need to scroll both horizontally and vertically.

--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage

thanks Stefan, for your reply. I understand that but there is such a big
difference. I have stripped one file down to bare bones and it still
records 36 on the slow page report. I will give you two files, one the
original with included content etc. and one I stripped down. Can you see
what is causing the problem for me on the stripped down file. ( Many of
my pages are like this)
thanks so much,
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G.htm
and
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G stripped down.htm
Barb

Because the Design view doesn't take into account any included pages or
shared borders or nav bots

--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________


| Hi there,
| Just wondering why at the bottom of my web page in Front Page it
states load
| time as 12 sec. over 28.8 but in the reports page it shows up in the
slow
| pages at 39.
| Which is correct?
| thanks for your time,
| Barb
|
|

 

[Murray]

I see you are ignoring the comment about spaces in file/pathnames.

Here are the stats for that page -

Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 6
Total Size: 13640 bytes

Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes)
HTML: 9344
HTML Images: 4296
CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 4296
Javascript: 0
CSS: 0
Multimedia: 0
Other: 0

External Objects
External Object QTY
Total HTML: 1
Total HTML Images: 5
Total CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 5
Total Scripts: 0
Total CSS imports: 0
Total Frames: 0
Total Iframes: 0

Download Times*
Connection Rate Download Time
14.4K 10.57 seconds
28.8K 5.29 seconds
33.6K 4.53 seconds
56K 2.72 seconds
ISDN 128K 0.83 seconds
T1 1.44Mbps 0.07 seconds



--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage

thanks for your response.
I have changed the second file that I stripped down to bare bones, took
off the picture and renamed it without spaces. It still shows only 7 sec
over 28.8 on the normal view of the web page in FP but in the reports view
it shows as a slow page with 33 seconds. I have removed all the extras
like borders, java script etc. etc. What is causing the high load time in
report view?
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860Gstrippeddown.htm
Regarding the scrolling, I also removed the main frame. If you look at the
original page it is framed to 780 pixels wide.
Is there something in the html that is causing the page to load slowly??
Barb

Your first linked page -

Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 13
Total Size: 39967 bytes

Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes)
HTML: 9733
HTML Images: 11943
CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 11943
Javascript: 17677
CSS: 614
Multimedia: 0
Other: 0

External Objects
External Object QTY
Total HTML: 1
Total HTML Images: 8
Total CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 8
Total Scripts: 3
Total CSS imports: 1
Total Frames: 0
Total Iframes: 0


Your second linked page returns no results - most likely because of the
spaces in the filenames.

39K total weight is not worth getting exercised over.

But your page is too wide for my browser on a 1280x1024 screen meaning
that I need to scroll both horizontally and vertically.

--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage

thanks Stefan, for your reply. I understand that but there is such a big
difference. I have stripped one file down to bare bones and it still
records 36 on the slow page report. I will give you two files, one the
original with included content etc. and one I stripped down. Can you see
what is causing the problem for me on the stripped down file. ( Many of
my pages are like this)
thanks so much,
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G.htm
and
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G stripped down.htm
Barb


Because the Design view doesn't take into account any included pages or
shared borders or nav bots

--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________


| Hi there,
| Just wondering why at the bottom of my web page in Front Page it
states load
| time as 12 sec. over 28.8 but in the reports page it shows up in the
slow
| pages at 39.
| Which is correct?
| thanks for your time,
| Barb
|
|

 

[Barbara Urquhart]

Hi Murray,
thanks for pointing out about the one file name. I thought I had no spaces
in my file names but missed the folder Ordering files. that has now been
corrected.
I stripped that page now of all images and it still registers on FP page
view as 3 seconds over 28.8 but on the reports page for slow pages shows 27
seconds.
What is causing the high load time when there is nothing on the page but
tables and words. I tried removing the whole shopping carts and that made no
difference. I am confused. There must be something making that difference.
thanks for your help in this matter.
It is not just this one file doing it on my web site but many so I really
want to find the source and correct it.
Barb

I see you are ignoring the comment about spaces in file/pathnames.

Here are the stats for that page -

Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 6
Total Size: 13640 bytes

Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes)
HTML: 9344
HTML Images: 4296
CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 4296
Javascript: 0
CSS: 0
Multimedia: 0
Other: 0

External Objects
External Object QTY
Total HTML: 1
Total HTML Images: 5
Total CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 5
Total Scripts: 0
Total CSS imports: 0
Total Frames: 0
Total Iframes: 0

Download Times*
Connection Rate Download Time
14.4K 10.57 seconds
28.8K 5.29 seconds
33.6K 4.53 seconds
56K 2.72 seconds
ISDN 128K 0.83 seconds
T1 1.44Mbps 0.07 seconds



--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage

thanks for your response.
I have changed the second file that I stripped down to bare bones, took
off the picture and renamed it without spaces. It still shows only 7 sec
over 28.8 on the normal view of the web page in FP but in the reports
view it shows as a slow page with 33 seconds. I have removed all the
extras like borders, java script etc. etc. What is causing the high load
time in report view?
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860Gstrippeddown.htm
Regarding the scrolling, I also removed the main frame. If you look at
the original page it is framed to 780 pixels wide.
Is there something in the html that is causing the page to load slowly??
Barb

Your first linked page -

Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 13
Total Size: 39967 bytes

Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes)
HTML: 9733
HTML Images: 11943
CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 11943
Javascript: 17677
CSS: 614
Multimedia: 0
Other: 0

External Objects
External Object QTY
Total HTML: 1
Total HTML Images: 8
Total CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 8
Total Scripts: 3
Total CSS imports: 1
Total Frames: 0
Total Iframes: 0


Your second linked page returns no results - most likely because of the
spaces in the filenames.

39K total weight is not worth getting exercised over.

But your page is too wide for my browser on a 1280x1024 screen meaning
that I need to scroll both horizontally and vertically.

--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage


thanks Stefan, for your reply. I understand that but there is such a
big difference. I have stripped one file down to bare bones and it
still records 36 on the slow page report. I will give you two files,
one the original with included content etc. and one I stripped down.
Can you see what is causing the problem for me on the stripped down
file. ( Many of my pages are like this)
thanks so much,
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G.htm
and
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G stripped down.htm
Barb


Because the Design view doesn't take into account any included pages
or shared borders or nav bots

--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:

http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________


| Hi there,
| Just wondering why at the bottom of my web page in Front Page it
states load
| time as 12 sec. over 28.8 but in the reports page it shows up in the
slow
| pages at 39.
| Which is correct?
| thanks for your time,
| Barb
|
|

 

[Barbara Urquhart]

Sorry I forgot to give you the file links
Original: http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering_Files/A860G.htm

Stripped Down to Hardly Nothing:
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering_Files/A860Gstrippeddown.htm

Sorry about that,
Barb

Hi Murray,
thanks for pointing out about the one file name. I thought I had no spaces
in my file names but missed the folder Ordering files. that has now been
corrected.
I stripped that page now of all images and it still registers on FP page
view as 3 seconds over 28.8 but on the reports page for slow pages shows
27 seconds.
What is causing the high load time when there is nothing on the page but
tables and words. I tried removing the whole shopping carts and that made
no difference. I am confused. There must be something making that
difference.
thanks for your help in this matter.
It is not just this one file doing it on my web site but many so I really
want to find the source and correct it.
Barb

I see you are ignoring the comment about spaces in file/pathnames.

Here are the stats for that page -

Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 6
Total Size: 13640 bytes

Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes)
HTML: 9344
HTML Images: 4296
CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 4296
Javascript: 0
CSS: 0
Multimedia: 0
Other: 0

External Objects
External Object QTY
Total HTML: 1
Total HTML Images: 5
Total CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 5
Total Scripts: 0
Total CSS imports: 0
Total Frames: 0
Total Iframes: 0

Download Times*
Connection Rate Download Time
14.4K 10.57 seconds
28.8K 5.29 seconds
33.6K 4.53 seconds
56K 2.72 seconds
ISDN 128K 0.83 seconds
T1 1.44Mbps 0.07 seconds



--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage

thanks for your response.
I have changed the second file that I stripped down to bare bones, took
off the picture and renamed it without spaces. It still shows only 7 sec
over 28.8 on the normal view of the web page in FP but in the reports
view it shows as a slow page with 33 seconds. I have removed all the
extras like borders, java script etc. etc. What is causing the high load
time in report view?
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860Gstrippeddown.htm
Regarding the scrolling, I also removed the main frame. If you look at
the original page it is framed to 780 pixels wide.
Is there something in the html that is causing the page to load slowly??
Barb

Your first linked page -

Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 13
Total Size: 39967 bytes

Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes)
HTML: 9733
HTML Images: 11943
CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 11943
Javascript: 17677
CSS: 614
Multimedia: 0
Other: 0

External Objects
External Object QTY
Total HTML: 1
Total HTML Images: 8
Total CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 8
Total Scripts: 3
Total CSS imports: 1
Total Frames: 0
Total Iframes: 0


Your second linked page returns no results - most likely because of the
spaces in the filenames.

39K total weight is not worth getting exercised over.

But your page is too wide for my browser on a 1280x1024 screen meaning
that I need to scroll both horizontally and vertically.

--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage


thanks Stefan, for your reply. I understand that but there is such a
big difference. I have stripped one file down to bare bones and it
still records 36 on the slow page report. I will give you two files,
one the original with included content etc. and one I stripped down.
Can you see what is causing the problem for me on the stripped down
file. ( Many of my pages are like this)
thanks so much,
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G.htm
and
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G stripped down.htm
Barb


Because the Design view doesn't take into account any included pages
or shared borders or nav bots

--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:

http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________


| Hi there,
| Just wondering why at the bottom of my web page in Front Page it
states load
| time as 12 sec. over 28.8 but in the reports page it shows up in
the slow
| pages at 39.
| Which is correct?
| thanks for your time,
| Barb
|
|

 

[Murray]

Frankly, you are gilding the lily. The page is slim. I wouldn't worry
about it, and honestly, never worried much about the file size that FP shows
anyhow. I always use the online analysis, from which I quoted your values -

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze

--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage

Sorry I forgot to give you the file links
Original: http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering_Files/A860G.htm

Stripped Down to Hardly Nothing:
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering_Files/A860Gstrippeddown.htm

Sorry about that,
Barb

Hi Murray,
thanks for pointing out about the one file name. I thought I had no
spaces in my file names but missed the folder Ordering files. that has
now been corrected.
I stripped that page now of all images and it still registers on FP page
view as 3 seconds over 28.8 but on the reports page for slow pages shows
27 seconds.
What is causing the high load time when there is nothing on the page but
tables and words. I tried removing the whole shopping carts and that made
no difference. I am confused. There must be something making that
difference.
thanks for your help in this matter.
It is not just this one file doing it on my web site but many so I really
want to find the source and correct it.
Barb

I see you are ignoring the comment about spaces in file/pathnames.

Here are the stats for that page -

Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 6
Total Size: 13640 bytes

Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes)
HTML: 9344
HTML Images: 4296
CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 4296
Javascript: 0
CSS: 0
Multimedia: 0
Other: 0

External Objects
External Object QTY
Total HTML: 1
Total HTML Images: 5
Total CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 5
Total Scripts: 0
Total CSS imports: 0
Total Frames: 0
Total Iframes: 0

Download Times*
Connection Rate Download Time
14.4K 10.57 seconds
28.8K 5.29 seconds
33.6K 4.53 seconds
56K 2.72 seconds
ISDN 128K 0.83 seconds
T1 1.44Mbps 0.07 seconds



--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage


thanks for your response.
I have changed the second file that I stripped down to bare bones, took
off the picture and renamed it without spaces. It still shows only 7
sec over 28.8 on the normal view of the web page in FP but in the
reports view it shows as a slow page with 33 seconds. I have removed
all the extras like borders, java script etc. etc. What is causing the
high load time in report view?
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860Gstrippeddown.htm
Regarding the scrolling, I also removed the main frame. If you look at
the original page it is framed to 780 pixels wide.
Is there something in the html that is causing the page to load
slowly??
Barb

Your first linked page -

Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 13
Total Size: 39967 bytes

Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes)
HTML: 9733
HTML Images: 11943
CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 11943
Javascript: 17677
CSS: 614
Multimedia: 0
Other: 0

External Objects
External Object QTY
Total HTML: 1
Total HTML Images: 8
Total CSS Images: 0
Total Images: 8
Total Scripts: 3
Total CSS imports: 1
Total Frames: 0
Total Iframes: 0


Your second linked page returns no results - most likely because of
the spaces in the filenames.

39K total weight is not worth getting exercised over.

But your page is too wide for my browser on a 1280x1024 screen meaning
that I need to scroll both horizontally and vertically.

--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage


thanks Stefan, for your reply. I understand that but there is such a
big difference. I have stripped one file down to bare bones and it
still records 36 on the slow page report. I will give you two files,
one the original with included content etc. and one I stripped down.
Can you see what is causing the problem for me on the stripped down
file. ( Many of my pages are like this)
thanks so much,
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G.htm
and
http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860G stripped down.htm
Barb


Because the Design view doesn't take into account any included pages
or shared borders or nav bots

--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:

http://www.frontpagemvps.com/FrontPageNewsGroups/tabid/53/Default.aspx
_____________________________________________


| Hi there,
| Just wondering why at the bottom of my web page in Front Page it
states load
| time as 12 sec. over 28.8 but in the reports page it shows up in
the slow
| pages at 39.
| Which is correct?
| thanks for your time,
| Barb
|
|

 

[cschiller1]

How so? Barbara stated plainly (see text inside asterisks):

 

[Murray]

http://www.t-shirt-barn.com/Ordering Files/A860Gstrippeddown.htm
---------------------------------------------------^^^^

 

[cschiller1]

Aha.