Linux. Come join us and regain your freedom.

[linux4rox]

Why waste your money and more importantly your time fussing with
Vista?
What are you getting from Vista that XP didn't give you except
expensive headaches and incompatabilities?

Linux offers you freedom from commercial and propriatary software
concerns.
Open source programs, complete with source code that you can change
and modify to fit your needs.
Excellent games and top tier development tools.
You can download and install a single DVD and have a complete turnkey
system up and running in an hour or less.

How can Vista even compare to Linux?

So come and join us in the Linux community and experience true freedom
and joy.

Thank you for your consideration.

Lanny Wilcox

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Users could stay with XP too, and by doing so will not face having to learn
a completely new OS, or lose use of any Windows programs. A better solution,
would you not agree..

Why waste your money and more importantly your time fussing with
Vista?
What are you getting from Vista that XP didn't give you except
expensive headaches and incompatabilities?

Linux offers you freedom from commercial and propriatary software
concerns.
Open source programs, complete with source code that you can change
and modify to fit your needs.
Excellent games and top tier development tools.
You can download and install a single DVD and have a complete turnkey
system up and running in an hour or less.

How can Vista even compare to Linux?

So come and join us in the Linux community and experience true freedom
and joy.

Thank you for your consideration.

Lanny Wilcox

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Frank]

Why waste your money and more importantly your time fussing with
Vista?
What are you getting from Vista that XP didn't give you except
expensive headaches and incompatabilities?

Linux offers you freedom from commercial and propriatary software
concerns.
Open source programs, complete with source code that you can change
and modify to fit your needs.
Excellent games and top tier development tools.
You can download and install a single DVD and have a complete turnkey
system up and running in an hour or less.

How can Vista even compare to Linux?

So come and join us in the Linux community and experience true freedom
and joy.

Thank you for your consideration.

Lanny Wilcox

Got any more lies you'd like to spread?
Frank

 

[Bistey Csaba]

Why waste your money and more importantly your time fussing with
Vista?
What are you getting from Vista that XP didn't give you except
expensive headaches and incompatabilities?

Somewhat true.

Linux offers you freedom from commercial and propriatary software
concerns.
Open source programs, complete with source code that you can change
and modify to fit your needs.

Yeah nice think well most Windows users not even saw source code in
their life so... It is not a big advantage for them.

Excellent games and top tier development tools.

Excellent games??? That must be joke.

You can download and install a single DVD and have a complete turnkey
system up and running in an hour or less.

If you are not lucky you can start right after installation to configure
X via console

How can Vista even compare to Linux?

Well Vista is a desktop OS, Linux is mostly good for server. It is still
not user-friendly enought to be used as a Desktop OS.

So come and join us in the Linux community and experience true freedom
and joy.

Well for that part i use linux at my work, on my router, on my VPS, at
home via CoLinux, still using Windows for most desktop stuff (for
example Gaming). As for Microsoft my only problem with the products is
interoperability with other stuff (Windows clients with Samba PDC, Word
documents in OpenOffice.org, etc.). But that is understandable, if
OpenOffice.org could open complex Word,Excel documents just like Word,
we could easily fully migrate to it.

 

[Alias]

Somewhat true.



If you are not lucky you can start right after installation to configure
X via console


Well Vista is a desktop OS, Linux is mostly good for server. It is still
not user-friendly enought to be used as a Desktop OS.

I can see you haven't installed Ubuntu. It is more user friendly than
Vista will ever be and on a par with XP for user friendliness.

 

[Bistey Csaba]

I can see you haven't installed Ubuntu. It is more user friendly than
Vista will ever be and on a par with XP for user friendliness.

Well wrong we have 2 Ubuntu and 1 Debian server at company, my VPS also
running Ubuntu. I can tell that Ubuntu one of the most easy to use
distros out there (well mostly used it from console over ssh but still ).
But try to sell it someone who never saw anything beside Windows, it
would be a pain (they learnt Windows, they learnt MS Office).
It isn't even easy to tell the user to use OpenOffice.org as he learned
Microsoft Office (and he can use nearly 2% of the features it offers)
still menu different and that is a big problem (well after the first
month, it is usually not a problem).
Now think of a migrating windows user who got a console login after
installation (lol most of them cant even use dos ) because X failed to
configure itself, or tried to switch screen resolution in real time, or
trying to use one of his application which never been ported to linux
(and do not have linux alternative).

On the other side it is rocks as a server .

Csaba

 

[Alias]

Well wrong we have 2 Ubuntu and 1 Debian server at company, my VPS also
running Ubuntu. I can tell that Ubuntu one of the most easy to use
distros out there (well mostly used it from console over ssh but still ).
But try to sell it someone who never saw anything beside Windows, it
would be a pain (they learnt Windows, they learnt MS Office).
It isn't even easy to tell the user to use OpenOffice.org as he learned
Microsoft Office (and he can use nearly 2% of the features it offers)
still menu different and that is a big problem (well after the first
month, it is usually not a problem).
Now think of a migrating windows user who got a console login after
installation (lol most of them cant even use dos ) because X failed to
configure itself, or tried to switch screen resolution in real time, or
trying to use one of his application which never been ported to linux
(and do not have linux alternative).

On the other side it is rocks as a server .

Csaba

Maybe the people I know are smarter than the ones you know. I have
installed Ubuntu on dozens of computers for people who used to be
Windows users and all of them are very happy with it. You say you've
installed Ubuntu but have you installed the latest, Feisty Fawn? I can
hardly wait to see the improvements with Gutsy next month.

I have yet to meet a client who used any program that requires Windows
except for games and, for that reason -- and that reason only -- I
install a dual boot with XP so they can keep on gaming. I have the same
set-up myself (and Devil May Cry 3 rocks!).

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Well wrong we have 2 Ubuntu and 1 Debian server at company, my VPS also
running Ubuntu. I can tell that Ubuntu one of the most easy to use
distros out there (well mostly used it from console over ssh but still ).
But try to sell it someone who never saw anything beside Windows, it
would be a pain (they learnt Windows, they learnt MS Office).
It isn't even easy to tell the user to use OpenOffice.org as he learned
Microsoft Office (and he can use nearly 2% of the features it offers)
still menu different and that is a big problem (well after the first
month, it is usually not a problem).

I'd hate to see this user with office 2007 and it's 'ribbon'! LOL!

Now think of a migrating windows user who got a console login after
installation (lol most of them cant even use dos ) because X failed to
configure itself, or tried to switch screen resolution in real time, or
trying to use one of his application which never been ported to linux
(and do not have linux alternative).

On the other side it is rocks as a server .

Csaba

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creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

 

[Bistey Csaba]

Maybe the people I know are smarter than the ones you know. I have
installed Ubuntu on dozens of computers for people who used to be
Windows users and all of them are very happy with it. You say you've
installed Ubuntu but have you installed the latest, Feisty Fawn? I can
hardly wait to see the improvements with Gutsy next month.

I have yet to meet a client who used any program that requires Windows
except for games and, for that reason -- and that reason only -- I
install a dual boot with XP so they can keep on gaming. I have the same
set-up myself (and Devil May Cry 3 rocks!).

My vps has Feisty but it did not even have X as i think a server do not
need GUI (can work much faster with it with console anyway) and only
have 10gb place on it.
By the way switching all user to linux you are ruining open source
software too for example think about ClamAV team who would send them
Virus Samples if everyone would switch (it is hard those in linux)?

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without real OEM
marketing efforts:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1462

 

[Frank]

Maybe the people I know are smarter than the ones you know.

Now that's down right hysterical but what a wonderful insult.

I have

installed Ubuntu on dozens of computers for people who used to be
Windows users and all of them are very happy with it.

Proly a outright lie.

You say you've

installed Ubuntu but have you installed the latest, Feisty Fawn? I can
hardly wait to see the improvements with Gutsy next month.

Yeah, we're all holding out breath!

I have yet to meet a client who used any program that requires Windows
except for games and, for that reason -- and that reason only -- I
install a dual boot with XP so they can keep on gaming. I have the same
set-up myself (and Devil May Cry 3 rocks!).

Wow! Great for surfing the net, email and ...nothing else.
Get a real os.
Get Vista!
Frank

 

[MICHAEL]

* Carey Frisch [MVP]:

Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without real OEM
marketing efforts:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1462

That's exactly what I alluded to in a post yesterday....
most consumers have no idea what Linux is, they don't
know they have a choice, basically because Linux is nowhere
to be found in stores or major online retail sites.


-Michael

 

[Alias]

Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without real OEM
marketing efforts:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1462

The article incorrectly assumes that the power of word of mouth is not a
strong marketing power. So do you and all the other fanboys. I must
admit, though, Linux will be successful in Europe before the BestBuy
Americans catch on.

 

[XS11E]

That's exactly what I alluded to in a post yesterday....
most consumers have no idea what Linux is, they don't
know they have a choice, basically because Linux is nowhere
to be found in stores or major online retail sites.

Are you often that completely wrong?

Linux is available at Amazon.com, Frys.com and their retail stores, New
Egg.com, etc. etc. etc.

 

[MICHAEL]

* XS11E:

Are you often that completely wrong?

Not this time.

The article is about how hard it is to find computers
that have Linux installed *already* or at least an easy
option to request Linux on a computer, and the major
computer retail sites (like Dell) do not really advertise
the fact, either. Go to Dell, tell me what you see.
The masses will never know about Linux unless it is
put plainly in their site... they do not know they have
that option. Most of the time, they actually don't have
that option.... it's just simply not offered.

Linux is available at Amazon.com, Frys.com and their retail stores, New
Egg.com, etc. etc. etc.

Pre-installed on computers? Available in plain sight?
I'm (neither is the article) talking about just the software, doofus.

How many stores can you walk into and buy a computer with
Linux already installed?

How many major online sites can you buy a computer with
Linux already installed? Do they easily let you know that's
an option, if they even offer it?


-Michael

 

[cvp]

Where most of these articles miss the mark is that they assume (as do many
posters in this NG) that the adoption of the Linux Desktop will be driven
primarily by a consumer "revolt". It is far more likely that the adoption
will be driven by large commercial organizations adopting open standards
where the vast majority of seats can be satisfied by the currently available
office applications. It's relatively easy in that environment to convince
OEMs to preload whatever your want if you order them by the thousand. It's
also easy to get the attention of IHVs when you explain that your purchase
of, for example, printers and scanners will be dependent on the availability
of Linux drivers. Sure, there'll always be the need for some uses to run
Windows, just as there is for the "graphic designers in the corner office"
to use Macs, but the "standard" desktop is what drives the business
decision.

I note in another thread someone suggesting that these businesses would be
influenced by what their employees used at home. The exact reverse has been
my experience. Most of these businesses are unaffected by current Vista woes
or the revised XP policy, since they would at best be sitting on the
sidelines watching for a year or so anyway to see of it makes any sense for
then to adopt a new OS. The announcement of Lotus Symphony is far more
important to them.

Now, I will declare that I believe that the adoption of Linux WILL take
place in the consumer market, but not until the path has been created by
those large commercial organizations, and then moving down into small
business. You'll know it's happened when you see the shelves of Office Depot
stocked with Linux versions of Turbotax and Taxcut and the Linux advocates
stop labelling currently unsupported Raid cards as "Fakeraid". Until then
the only option for me, and for consumers in general, to get support for a
wide range of applications and add-on hardware is to continue to use
Windows. In my case it happens to be Vista for some of the functions I need
which aren't in XP. I'm equally happy for those who are satisfied ( or can
convince themselves they're satisfied) with Ubuntu 7.10. I can't get by with
the loss of function.

So for me tomorrow is still a long way off!

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without real OEM
marketing efforts:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1462

And this has what to do with Vista?

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

 

[Charlie Tame]

Of course except MS can pull the plug on you any time they feel like it,
so probably back to his first choice eh?

 

[Alias]

Now that's down right hysterical but what a wonderful insult.

I have

Proly a outright lie.

No, the truth, something you obviously have problems accepting.

You say you've

Yeah, we're all holding out breath!

You should be.

Wow! Great for surfing the net, email and ...nothing else.

A lie.

Get a real os.

Ubuntu is a real OS.

Get Vista!
Frank

Why would anyone want Window ME NT? It's a flop and no one in their
right mind wants it.

 

[Alias]

* Carey Frisch [MVP]:

That's exactly what I alluded to in a post yesterday....
most consumers have no idea what Linux is, they don't
know they have a choice, basically because Linux is nowhere
to be found in stores or major online retail sites.


-Michael

Perhaps in the States, but not in Europe. Major computer chains have
been selling computers with Linux here for years.