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Guest
You are one piece of work. What gives you the stones to call me stupid on
a valid licensing question. You can kiss my....
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kurttrail
Paul said:You are one piece of work. What gives you the stones to call me
stupid on a valid licensing question. You can kiss my....
Yes you're right. If you charge the End User for another copy of
Windows XP Pro, then all you are is a conman, trying to use MS's
licensing FUD to sell a copy of software that your customer doesn't
need.
The End User isn't trying to transfer an OEM copy. The End User has a
valid license XP Home copy that is qualifying media for upgrade to XP
Pro on the new computer. The Retail upgrade can be moved to another
computer as long as it is rmoved from the previous one, which it has
since it doesn't work anymore.
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Ghostrider
kurttrail said:OMG! Shoot me. I've seen everything now!
Methinks that Carey did not read the entire thread. And
OP has been less than forthcoming in presenting the entire
scenario clearly. Nor is the OP the original OEM-builder/
retailer but merely a consultant. But OP's conclusion is
the right one by throwing the decision back to the owner
to acquire the full retail copy of XP, if not already owned,
and use it to replace the OEM NFR version on the computer.
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Guest
Now...was that so hard? I appreciate your latest candid answer.
You know...
Close to 10 years ago, I was a senior NT 4.0 and Exchange 5.0 tech for
Microsoft outsourced from Stream International in Canton, Massachusetts
(before they closed the site). The group was called NetOE for networking
operating environments. I remembered how their BBS was a good place to ask a
question for free. That's why I chose to come here today. Back then, we
would all be scheduled 2 hours of "research time" per day to answer questions
as volunteers in a forum similar to this. Never was there name-calling and
sarcastic answers like I see on this board today. It really is a shame what
this has become if this is prevelent behavior here.
You know...
Close to 10 years ago, I was a senior NT 4.0 and Exchange 5.0 tech for
Microsoft outsourced from Stream International in Canton, Massachusetts
(before they closed the site). The group was called NetOE for networking
operating environments. I remembered how their BBS was a good place to ask a
question for free. That's why I chose to come here today. Back then, we
would all be scheduled 2 hours of "research time" per day to answer questions
as volunteers in a forum similar to this. Never was there name-calling and
sarcastic answers like I see on this board today. It really is a shame what
this has become if this is prevelent behavior here.
G
Guest
You're correct Ghostrider. My original post was not as clear as it could
have been. It's really very simple. My customer previously purchased a
Windows XP Pro Upgrade for a system no longer in use. He then purchased a
$399 eMachine with an OEM version of XP Home. The OEM suggests the copy of
Windows cannot be transferred, sold, altered or upgraded. My client wanted
to use the upgrade.
I questioned Microsoft's take on this. Would the fact that he already
purchased an Upgrade put him in Microsoft compliance or was a "full" version
indeed needed. I suggested the latter.
have been. It's really very simple. My customer previously purchased a
Windows XP Pro Upgrade for a system no longer in use. He then purchased a
$399 eMachine with an OEM version of XP Home. The OEM suggests the copy of
Windows cannot be transferred, sold, altered or upgraded. My client wanted
to use the upgrade.
I questioned Microsoft's take on this. Would the fact that he already
purchased an Upgrade put him in Microsoft compliance or was a "full" version
indeed needed. I suggested the latter.
S
Steve N.
Paul said:You're correct Ghostrider. My original post was not as clear as it could
have been. It's really very simple. My customer previously purchased a
Windows XP Pro Upgrade for a system no longer in use. He then purchased a
$399 eMachine with an OEM version of XP Home. The OEM suggests the copy of
Windows cannot be transferred, sold, altered or upgraded. My client wanted
to use the upgrade.
I questioned Microsoft's take on this. Would the fact that he already
purchased an Upgrade put him in Microsoft compliance or was a "full" version
indeed needed. I suggested the latter.
As previously aswered, an OEM version of XP Home is perfectly
upgradeable to XP Pro using an XP Pro Upgrade version. Re-read the EULA
for the OEM version, nowhere does it state that you cannot upgrade the OS.
Steve
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Guest
If the original Windows XP Pro retail upgrade license is no longer being used
on
on the original PC it was installed on, then it can be used to upgrade the
new PC
to Windows XP Pro using the same license. A "Full License" is not required
since
you would be upgrading from the currently installed Windows XP Home Edition.
on
on the original PC it was installed on, then it can be used to upgrade the
new PC
to Windows XP Pro using the same license. A "Full License" is not required
since
you would be upgrading from the currently installed Windows XP Home Edition.
A
Alan
Hi Paul,
Talk about a small cyberworld.
I, too, worked for Corporate Software, which morphed into Stream from 1994
through 1996.
I was on the Word 6, WFWG 3.x, Win 95, DOS (don't laugh), and Access 2.0
queues.
I still tell stories to people how we used to check the weather in
Washington state each day, so we could answer vital questions like, "How's
the weather out there, today?"
Alan
Talk about a small cyberworld.
I, too, worked for Corporate Software, which morphed into Stream from 1994
through 1996.
I was on the Word 6, WFWG 3.x, Win 95, DOS (don't laugh), and Access 2.0
queues.
I still tell stories to people how we used to check the weather in
Washington state each day, so we could answer vital questions like, "How's
the weather out there, today?"
Alan
G
Guest
Absolutely. I loved working there. I was eventually promoted to team
manager of Corporate Support but missed the phones so much, I went back to
senior NetOE until the support center closed several years ago. I still
remember filling in one Christmas Day for Compaq support and taking 99 calls!
The last day of work, there were 5 of us left. We drove to The Turnpike
(the bar on 138) and gave it a fond farewell.
manager of Corporate Support but missed the phones so much, I went back to
senior NetOE until the support center closed several years ago. I still
remember filling in one Christmas Day for Compaq support and taking 99 calls!
The last day of work, there were 5 of us left. We drove to The Turnpike
(the bar on 138) and gave it a fond farewell.
D
DanS
You're correct Ghostrider. My original post was not as clear as it
could have been. It's really very simple. My customer previously
purchased a Windows XP Pro Upgrade for a system no longer in use. He
then purchased a $399 eMachine with an OEM version of XP Home. The
OEM suggests the copy of Windows cannot be transferred, sold, altered
or upgraded. My client wanted to use the upgrade.
I questioned Microsoft's take on this. Would the fact that he already
purchased an Upgrade put him in Microsoft compliance or was a "full"
version indeed needed. I suggested the latter.
It would be foolish to think an OEM version can not be upgraded, with a
retail upgrade version. Think about it....that would mean that in order to
upgrade to whatever-M$-decides-to-put-out-next OS, you'd actually have to
go out and buy a new PC.
M
Michael Stevens
In
There is no problem upgrading the OEM in regards to Microsoft, but eMachines
would no longer support the system in the upgraded configuration.
There is no need to purchase another copy of XP.
--
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(e-mail address removed)
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
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Paul said:You're correct Ghostrider. My original post was not as clear as it
could have been. It's really very simple. My customer previously
purchased a Windows XP Pro Upgrade for a system no longer in use. He
then purchased a $399 eMachine with an OEM version of XP Home. The
OEM suggests the copy of Windows cannot be transferred, sold, altered
or upgraded. My client wanted to use the upgrade.
I questioned Microsoft's take on this. Would the fact that he already
purchased an Upgrade put him in Microsoft compliance or was a "full"
version indeed needed. I suggested the latter.
There is no problem upgrading the OEM in regards to Microsoft, but eMachines
would no longer support the system in the upgraded configuration.
There is no need to purchase another copy of XP.
--
Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
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kurttrail
Paul said:Now...was that so hard? I appreciate your latest candid answer.
You know...
Close to 10 years ago, I was a senior NT 4.0 and Exchange 5.0 tech for
Microsoft outsourced from Stream International in Canton,
Massachusetts (before they closed the site). The group was called
NetOE for networking operating environments. I remembered how their
BBS was a good place to ask a question for free. That's why I chose
to come here today. Back then, we would all be scheduled 2 hours of
"research time" per day to answer questions as volunteers in a forum
similar to this. Never was there name-calling and sarcastic answers
like I see on this board today. It really is a shame what this has
become if this is prevelent behavior here.
All you had to do was read the EULA at the link I gave you in a previous
post.
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kurttrail
Ghostrider said:Methinks that Carey did not read the entire thread. And
OP has been less than forthcoming in presenting the entire
scenario clearly. Nor is the OP the original OEM-builder/
retailer but merely a consultant. But OP's conclusion is
the right one by throwing the decision back to the owner
to acquire the full retail copy of XP, if not already owned,
and use it to replace the OEM NFR version on the computer.
No, it's not. The OEM is not being moved, the retail upgrade is. The
End User has a valid license already.
--
Peace!
Kurt
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Ghostrider
kurttrail said:No, it's not. The OEM is not being moved, the retail upgrade is. The
End User has a valid license already.
I thought about it, too. But somewhere, the OP wrote that the
XP version was NFR, not-for-retail, and this carries its own
limitations. It is akin to upgrading a "demo" or "courtesy"
version, or one that could not be legally sold in the first
place. In this instance, the purchased, full version of XP
Pro would have been the first legitimate OS for this system
(as I understand the myriad agreements that are involved to
cover all contingencies.) IOW, there was nothing to [legally]
upgrade. Yup, we need to do away with the lawyers and go back
to common sense.
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kurttrail
Ghostrider said:I thought about it, too. But somewhere, the OP wrote that the
XP version was NFR, not-for-retail, and this carries its own
limitations.
That is the version of XP Home on the new computer, and is definitely
upgradable.
It is akin to upgrading a "demo" or "courtesy"
version, or one that could not be legally sold in the first
place. In this instance, the purchased, full version of XP
Pro would have been the first legitimate OS for this system
(as I understand the myriad agreements that are involved to
cover all contingencies.) IOW, there was nothing to [legally]
upgrade. Yup, we need to do away with the lawyers and go back
to common sense.
If MS ever sued a home user, not that they have those kind of balls, MS
is likely to lose the case on consumer protection alone, as there rules
doen't pass the grandmother test of being easily understandable.
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