Legality of installing XP bundled with one computer on another computer

[Alias]

His brain is located just below the belt - the part that is normally
covered with underpants!

My, my, another ad hominem attack. How quaint.

Alias

 

[ANONYMOUS]

(Isn't it about time MS got serious and scrapped OEM CDs ?)

Plans are already afoot to implement this. All top brands have stopped
shipping OS CDs - DELL, HP etc. This is quite true in the UK.

From new versions of MS software, there will not be any CDs labelled OEM
to avoid confusions created in the market place by unscrupulous traders.

Hth

 

[Alias]

Plans are already afoot to implement this. All top brands have stopped
shipping OS CDs - DELL, HP etc. This is quite true in the UK.

From new versions of MS software, there will not be any CDs labelled OEM
to avoid confusions created in the market place by unscrupulous traders.

Hth

Source? What do you mean by "unscrupulous traders"?

Alias

 

[Steve N.]

Please tell me how selling them Windows and Office on a new pc is ripping
them off. Previous to activation most customers didn't buy Office and some
didn't buy an OS. When I asked they said they were going to use a friend's
copy. In most cases they knew this was somehow wrong but were prepared to
set aside their ethics for monetary gain. If they were installing software
from an old pc taken out of service this would be one thing but most of them
were clearly running multiple copies.




It has almost stopped the type of casual piracy I list above. It has also
reduced the number of shops preloading hard drives with unlicensed software.

Kerry

When people don't obey speed limits and safety belt laws even though
facing the possibilty of $100+ fines if caught, why would they give a
rip about the EULA rules over a $90 piece of software? They'll probably
never get caught breaking the EULA. The odds are that they'll get a
speeding ticket sooner or later, though. I'm not so sure it's a question
of ethics and morality but rather that of human nature. Put another way,
if you found a $100 bill on the street, what would you do?

Activation only serves to discourage causual piracy, it doesn't
completely and effectively prevent it in many cases, and as many have
said, it does nothing to thwart the real pirates. Not that I think M$
doesn't have the right to try to ensure that the EULA applies, their
current means of doing so is terribly flawed, adversely effects many
honest paying customers, is giving M$ a bad rep (like they need any more
of that) and I think it should be abandoned.

Steve N.

 

[Steve N.]

My, my, another ad hominem attack. How quaint.

Alias

Isn't this the same bozo that claimed he was above insults and foul
language? What the essencial difference between saying, "Your head's up
your @$$" and intimating so as he's done?

What a frikkin joke! LOL! Get off your high-horse ANONYMOUS and get a clue!

Steve N.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Jensen?=]

Rene

Exactly so.. it was acquired as part of the FSC package, and clearly states
that it is only to be sold with an FSC.. does that not suggest to you that
it should not be used on another computer?..

It does not surgest anything but the fact that it must not be sold with
anything else than a FSC PC, it does not state anything about the usage.

assuming you understand the
wording on the CD, why then ask if you can use it on another computer?..

It does not state anything about where I can use the copy, only with
what it can be sold.

BR,
René

 

[Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)]

.... and that isn't a clue?..

 

[Kerry Brown]

Plans are already afoot to implement this. All top brands have
stopped shipping OS CDs - DELL, HP etc. This is quite true in the UK.

From new versions of MS software, there will not be any CDs labelled
OEM to avoid confusions created in the market place by unscrupulous
traders.

Hth

You are so far off base here it's funny. I attend several OEM events put on
by Microsoft each year. According to Microsoft at the last event more
generic OEM product is sold by small OEM partners than by all large OEM's.
In addition if you check sales figures on Google, white box products are
generally conceded anywhere from 30% to 45% of overall sales for the last
few years. The vast majority of white box pc's come with generic OEM CD's.
There is no official plan to scrap the generic OEM product that Microsoft
has announced. Do you have an inside source or are you just making things
up?

Kerry

 

[ANONYMOUS]

You are so far off base here it's funny. I attend several OEM events put on
by Microsoft each year. According to Microsoft at the last event more
generic OEM product is sold by small OEM partners than by all large OEM's.
In addition if you check sales figures on Google, white box products are
generally conceded anywhere from 30% to 45% of overall sales for the last
few years. The vast majority of white box pc's come with generic OEM CD's.
There is no official plan to scrap the generic OEM product that Microsoft
has announced. Do you have an inside source or are you just making things
up?

My knowledge is based on Microsoft Insider based at Microsoft UK.
Microsoft thinks that by partnering with big brands OEMs, they can
remove the need for CDs which are the main source of piracy.

 

[Guest]

The Windows XP OEM license that was preinstalled on
your Fujitsu computer is forever tied to that specific PC.
It cannot be used on any other PC...period!

 

[Kerry Brown]

My knowledge is based on Microsoft Insider based at Microsoft UK.
Microsoft thinks that by partnering with big brands OEMs, they can
remove the need for CDs which are the main source of piracy.

That's been the case with large OEM's for a number of years. Microsoft makes
it financially advantageous for them to supply Windows this way. Note: they
don't require it. All OEM's are free to distribute their computers with or
without a Windows CD. The only requirement is a method to restore the
computer to it's original setup must be in place. Microsoft tried to
convince smaller OEM's this discless method was the way to go a few years
ago. Very few bought into the program. The economies of scale apply here. To
save a few dollars a system when supplying a small number of systems may not
be worth it. Supplying a CD is now a selling point. I have many customers
ask if they get the Windows CD and are willing to pay extra to an OEM who
supplies a CD with the system. For someone who sells enough computers then
the small per unit savings makes up for the few knowledgeable customers who
won't accept this method.

Kerry

 

[Alias]

The Windows XP OEM license that was preinstalled on
your Fujitsu computer is forever tied to that specific PC.
It cannot be used on any other PC...period!

Good reason not to buy a Fujitsu computer or a Dell or an HP/Compaq or a
Packard Bell or ...

Alias

 

[Alias]

That's been the case with large OEM's for a number of years. Microsoft makes
it financially advantageous for them to supply Windows this way. Note: they
don't require it. All OEM's are free to distribute their computers with or
without a Windows CD. The only requirement is a method to restore the
computer to it's original setup must be in place. Microsoft tried to
convince smaller OEM's this discless method was the way to go a few years
ago. Very few bought into the program. The economies of scale apply here. To
save a few dollars a system when supplying a small number of systems may not
be worth it. Supplying a CD is now a selling point. I have many customers
ask if they get the Windows CD and are willing to pay extra to an OEM who
supplies a CD with the system. For someone who sells enough computers then
the small per unit savings makes up for the few knowledgeable customers who
won't accept this method.

Kerry

Note that "anonymous" said his source was an unnamed "insider". What a
poser.

Alias

 

[Sunny]

Alias

You and I both know that the motherboard is essentially 'the computer'..
you and others choose to twist wording in an attempt to insulate
yourselves from the morality issue, and no doubt in your own minds
consider this to be smart.. it is unfortunate that the general lack of
morality shown on this issue, and maybe others, also insulates you from
seeing the adverse effect that you may have on others around you..

Morality ?
I have a PC with an ASUS P4T533-C Motherboard that uses RAM that is no
longer available from retailers.
(The last module cost me $300 on E-Bay)
If the motherboard dies, or the RAM karks it, and I have to replace the MB
to keep my PC working then so be it.
But, I will still use "my" WinXP OEM CD if and when that occurs.
Where is the "morality" that MS exercises by giving OEMs carte blanche to
retail OEM CDs then spits the dummy because a customer wants to use it ?
Like refusing to register a car because the engine is replaced with a
different one.
Morality ?.... I Suggest MS CEOs look up a dictionary and comply.
BTW, I have bought retail CDs of Win98 - Win98SE - WinME - WinXP, and it
still browns me off that MS stands on their high horse and dictates stupid
"rules" to consumers, to cover up their original decision to supply cheap
CDs to OEMs to corner the OS market.
As for "also insulates you from seeing the adverse effect" could be used to
sum up MS attitude of, head in sand regarding the pirating that goes on at
the "Big End Of Town", rather than in the household PC.

 

[Sunny]

Source? What do you mean by "unscrupulous traders"?

Take a visit to Malaysia for openers
I went into 3 retail computer shops and could not buy a "retail" CD.
The shelves were loaded with OEM CDs though (and you didn't need to buy
hardware.)

 

[Alias]

Take a visit to Malaysia for openers
I went into 3 retail computer shops and could not buy a "retail" CD.
The shelves were loaded with OEM CDs though (and you didn't need to buy
hardware.)

Same thing's true in Spain but the vendors are well known, national
chains. MS knows it because they all get the OEM gernerics from MS.

Alias

 

[ANONYMOUS]

Note that "anonymous" said his source was an unnamed "insider". What a
poser.

Do you expect me to reveal my MSFT source? You must be joking! Thank
god I don't have a pea sized brain like yours!

 

[Alias]

Do you expect me to reveal my MSFT source?

What source?

You must be joking!

I'm not.

Thank
god I don't have a pea sized brain like yours!

How infantile.

Alias

 

[Guest]

If you want the definitive answer to your question,
contact Fujitsu support and ask them if you can
transfer the license to a non-Fujitsu computer.
The answer will be a resounding NO!