Invitation - Colin Barnhorst

[Guest]

Colin

An invitation to you to compile the '10 Commanments'
(loosely termed) for migrating to Vista.

I suppose there will have to be 2 sets.

ie: 1 for upgrade &
1 for clean install.

When done we can all print it, paste it on the wall
in front of our computers and know exactly what
we should and should'nt do.

Thanks, and this may take some think time.

It will have to be better than what MS is offering.

 

[Richard Urban]

I am not Collin, but I will offer a bit of insight.

You have got your destination planned. From where are you starting the trip?
You will likely need 8-10 versions or more. Do you want to upgrade of
install fresh?

What hardware are you running on? Various installed hardware will also make
your trip incur a detour from your planned route. Installed software makes a
difference also.

Best state exactly where you are now, what hardware you are currently
running on, what hardware you are willing to change etc.

As you can see, there is no cut and dried answer.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

It is difficult to get the upgrade scenarios right until we get some
comments from a couple of the MSFT folks who are checking out our questions.
I had hoped to hear by now.

One rule I would suggest for migration is don't use a path which involves
more than one upgrade. If you have an XP that was an upgrade from WinME
that was an upgrade from....well, you get the idea. Get your Win2k or XP
system volume pared down to only software that is known to be compatible,
remove anything with an engine (antivirus, antispyware, packet writing
software, cd burning software), defrag and then make an image. This is the
base you will upgrade to Vista. If the upgrade fails or you don't like the
result you don't have to rebuild the food chain to get the base back.

Another, related, is that it is more expensive to migrate through a series
of small steps than it is to take one big one. If you want to wind up with
Home Premium, then just buy it up front.

Now let's bat these two around.

 

[Chad Harris]

I don't know if this will clarify for the OP or anyone else, but here's what I know so far. I spoke to MSFT a while ago, but I don't have the lines of communication for this that Colin or another MVP might have with a representative that might cater to the questions better. Colin's recommendtations in the post he just made make plenty of sense as to a cascade of small steps (and the opportunity for things to corrupt or go wrong) and one large step. The "cleaner" and less complicated you can make an installation the better, I would think. I try not to post HTML out of band width considerations, but I wanted to include these chart to make it easier to sort this out.


1) As to the logistics of the Vista DVD that will allow licensing upgrades that will be sold either through the volumen licensing program say with Comp USA or that will b retailed and volume license sold after January 30,2007 I'm not sure of the logistics but I'd be willing to bet you will be able to purchase an upgrade Product key from one Vista edition to another from a MSFT site, and from stores--and possibly other sites that MSFT licenses to do this. I'm sure enterprises and midrange businesses will be able to handle this either through large 3rd party organizations, or MSFT reps.

2) Essentially though, this page should answer the questions the OP had that I can see:

Windows Vista Upgrade Planning
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeinfo.mspx

Windows Vista Editions
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/default.mspx

3) Please Keep in mind the following obvious points:

You can upgrade from Win 2K Service Pack 4, XP Home, and XP Pro, and XP X64.
XP Pro 64 Bit only comes through Volume Licensing or OEM purchases of course--at least legit purchases. Win 2K was only released as a 32 bit OS. As Colin has stressed multiple times, you aren't going to be able to upgrade cross platform or whatever term Colin likes better for this, i.e. you aren't going from a 32 bit previous OS like Win 2K or Win XP to a 64 bit Vista. This is not going to happen--at least via sales from Microsoft.



WINDOWS VISTA EDITIONS
Home Basic Home Premium Business Ultimate
Windows XP Professional
Windows XP Home
Windows XP Media Center
Windows XP Tablet PC
Windows XP Professional x64
Windows 2000


Requires clean install.
In-place installation option available.



Notes:
If you are currently using Windows 2000 Professional or Windows XP Professional x64, you are eligible for an upgrade copy to a corresponding or better edition of Windows Vista, but a clean install is required.

For versions of Windows earlier than Windows 2000, upgrade copies are not available. These earlier versions of Windows require you to install a full copy of Windows Vista.

If the edition of Windows Vista that you choose to install will result in a loss of functionality over your current edition of Windows, a clean install must be done or the installation must be completed to a new partition on your PC.

Your PC and Windows Vista
While selecting the edition of Windows Vista that's right for you, it's important to clearly understand what hardware your PC will need to ensure that the features you want will run reliably.

If you plan on adding Windows Vista to your current Windows XP-based computer, we suggest that you run the Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor RC to ensure that your PC is ready for the edition of Windows Vista that you choose to install.

Reviewing the Windows Vista Capable and Premium Ready PC specifications for system requirement guidance will help you determine the PC that will best meet your needs.

The Editions
Microsoft Windows Vista is designed to dramatically improve the computing experience of every kind of PC user—from people at home who use their PCs for simple web browsing, to business people who must organize and act on large volumes of data, to scientists who routinely perform complex mathematical analysis. To make sure that everyone has an offering tailored to meet their specific needs, Microsoft will deliver five different editions of Windows Vista. Each edition is focused on the needs of a specific type of person. Large, global organizations with complex IT infrastructures should consider Windows Vista Enterprise Edition.


For basic home needs such as e-mail and Internet access.
For the best home computing and entertainment.
For small and mid-sized organizations.
For work and entertainment, this is the most complete edition.
Details
Details
Details
Details



Home Basic Home Premium Business Ultimate
Most secure Windows ever
with Windows Defender and Windows Firewall
Quickly find what you need
with Instant Search and Windows Internet Explorer 7
Elegant Windows Aero desktop experience
with Windows Flip 3D navigation
Best choice for laptops
with enhanced Windows Mobility Center and Tablet PC support
Collaborate and share documents
with Windows Meeting Space
Experience photos and entertainment
in your living room with Windows Media Center
Enjoy Windows Media Center
on TVs throughout your home with Xbox 360â„¢ and other devices
Help protect against hardware failure
with advanced business backup features
Business networking and Remote Desktop
for easier connectivity
Better protect your data
against loss or theft with Windows BitLockerâ„¢ Drive Encryption


Windows Vista Starter
Windows Vista Starter is the most affordable way to enjoy the basic Windows Vista experience. Windows Vista Starter is exclusively* available in emerging markets, and is designed for a beginning PC user with additional tools and tutorials to make it easier to use. Read more.

*Note: Windows Vista Starter is not currently scheduled to be available in the United States, Canada, the European Union, Australia, New Zealand, or other high income markets as defined by the World Bank.

CH

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Chad, thanks once again for the blood, sweat, and tears of putting this together.
"Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message I don't know if this will clarify for the OP or anyone else, but here's what I know so far. I spoke to MSFT a while ago, but I don't have the lines of communication for this that Colin or another MVP might have with a representative that might cater to the questions better. Colin's recommendtations in the post he just made make plenty of sense as to a cascade of small steps (and the opportunity for things to corrupt or go wrong) and one large step. The "cleaner" and less complicated you can make an installation the better, I would think. I try not to post HTML out of band width considerations, but I wanted to include these chart to make it easier to sort this out.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Another thought: A Classic Clean Installl Using an Upgrade Edition.

The one scenario that is going to be batted back and forth here is the
"clean install upgrade scenario." The use of an upgrade edition to upgrade
to the new OS but with a format first to completely wipe out the old system.

I don't believe that you can do it in the same way with a Vista Upgrade
Edition that you could with an XP UE. This is because, for the first time,
you have to run the old OS while you are installing the new one.

If I am correct in that regard, then the closest you can come to the same
thing is to prep the disk before starting an Upgrade Edition setup,
reinstall the legacy OS, (install a driver for the NIC and activate if
needed), and then run the UE Setup. Some upgrade scenarios will disable
the upgrade option and you have to do a custom installation. In any event
the old system is rolled up into the windows.old file and you can delete
that following installation of Vista. That will leave you with the
equivalent of a classic clean installation.

 

[Mr. Vista]

Ditto on those thoughts Chad
Well done


Chad, thanks once again for the blood, sweat, and tears of putting this
together.
"Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
I don't know if this will clarify for the OP or anyone else, but here's what
I know so far. I spoke to MSFT a while ago, but I don't have the lines of
communication for this that Colin or another MVP might have with a
representative that might cater to the questions better. Colin's
recommendtations in the post he just made make plenty of sense as to a
cascade of small steps (and the opportunity for things to corrupt or go
wrong) and one large step. The "cleaner" and less complicated you can make
an installation the better, I would think. I try not to post HTML out of
band width considerations, but I wanted to include these chart to make it
easier to sort this out.

 

[Chad Harris]

MSFT licensing sales experts told me they want to research some things
further and get back to me tomorrow or the next day. They are finding some
contradictory pices of info on their internal sites they said and they want
to shake it all out. They are concerned about the chart that says that you
can upgrade from XP Home, but I'm willing to bet you absolutely will be able
to. MSFT has exact numbers on how many people have XP Home from retail,
volume license or OEM sources, and it seems that would sure eliminate a
potential market and I seriously doubt they would elminate Home so I'm
betting the chart they've had on their site will prove to be accurate.

They did assure me, and I know Lone Wolf had asked that if you have upgraded
"in steps" to get to XP as long as you have the XP now, you can use that
upgraded *to get to XP from a previous OS* with no problems to upgrade to
Vista. That would be the series of small steps scenario we had talked
about.

I also heard from them that Office in the volume licensing already on sale
in CompUSA but not from any web site yet, would be able to use an upgrade
scenario, and you can go all the way back to Office 2000 to use as a an
Office to upgradef from, i.e. you can Upgrade to 2007 from Office 2K, XP,
and Office Systems 2003.

When I get the info from MSFT I'll post whatever further or clarification I
have.

I do think, in all fairness, they should make this all clear and explicit on
their site to answer every possible question we keep coming up with,
unless some of it is still unfinished, and I'll do my best to get some of
that from some of the Vista team or the people I talked with.

CH

 

[Jeff]

Chad & Colin,

Regarding Office 2007- right from the office site itself,

2007 Microsoft Office Suites,
Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007
Microsoft Office Standard 2007
Microsoft Office Small Business 2007
Microsoft Office Professional 2007
Microsoft Office Ultimate 2007

Qualifying Products for Upgrade

Microsoft Works 6.0–10;
Microsoft Works suite 2000–2006 or later;
any 2000–2007 Microsoft Office program or suite;
any Microsoft Office XP suite.

Estimated retail price/Upgrade price is listed there too, just didn't put it
in here.
It also lists upgrade scenarios for individual components-

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/suites/FX101754511033.aspx

Jeff

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

I think this whole Anytime Upgrade and Instant Upgrade thing is a monster
anyway. This is not a promising start.

So what do you do to upgrade from Office 2k, for example? Install Office 2k
on Vista and upgrade Office or install Office 2007 on XP and then upgrade XP
to Vista?

And what about Office 2k on Win2k? You have to do a clean install of Vista
from Win2k!

Is this a chicken and egg thingy?

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

I couldn't find what you had to have from the previous product. By that I
mean will it ask for shiny media or does the product have to be installed
before it can be upgraded? It wouldn't surprise me if Office 2007 accepts
shiny media even though Vista will not. Boy are we going to have fun in
this ng!

 

[Chad Harris]

I don't even see it anymore.

CH

 

[Chad Harris]

LOL the anonymous MSFT chicken has deleted my posts once again Colin apparently. I do believe I posted this but none of the posts now remains at 8:50PM Seattle time. The rest of the post that you pasted is completely absent from this group on my XP boot after I saw it on my Vista boot. LOL. MSFT just doesn't want certain individuals to be able to post. What idiots.

Both posts I did no this thread are completely missing and I have the newsgroup set to "synchronize all." How do you defend this company's indiscriminate censorship when you work hard to help and give accurate info Colin?

I posted:

I don't know if this will clarify for the OP or anyone else, but here's what I know so far. I spoke to MSFT a while ago, but I don't have the lines of communication for this that Colin or another MVP might have with a representative that might cater to the questions better. Colin's recommendtations in the post he just made make plenty of sense as to a cascade of small steps (and the opportunity for things to corrupt or go wrong) and one large step. The "cleaner" and less complicated you can make an installation the better, I would think. I try not to post HTML out of band width considerations, but I wanted to include these chart to make it easier to sort this out.


1) As to the logistics of the Vista DVD that will allow licensing upgrades that will be sold either through the volumen licensing program say with Comp USA or that will b retailed and volume license sold after January 30,2007 I'm not sure of the logistics but I'd be willing to bet you will be able to purchase an upgrade Product key from one Vista edition to another from a MSFT site, and from stores--and possibly other sites that MSFT licenses to do this. I'm sure enterprises and midrange businesses will be able to handle this either through large 3rd party organizations, or MSFT reps.

2) Essentially though, this page should answer the questions the OP had that I can see:

Windows Vista Upgrade Planning
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeinfo.mspx

Windows Vista Editions
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/default.mspx

3) Please Keep in mind the following obvious points:

You can upgrade from Win 2K Service Pack 4, XP Home, and XP Pro, and XP X64.
XP Pro 64 Bit only comes through Volume Licensing or OEM purchases of course--at least legit purchases. Win 2K was only released as a 32 bit OS. As Colin has stressed multiple times, you aren't going to be able to upgrade cross platform or whatever term Colin likes better for this, i.e. you aren't going from a 32 bit previous OS like Win 2K or Win XP to a 64 bit Vista. This is not going to happen--at least via sales from Microsoft.



WINDOWS VISTA EDITIONS
Home Basic Home Premium Business Ultimate
Windows XP Professional
Windows XP Home
Windows XP Media Center
Windows XP Tablet PC
Windows XP Professional x64
Windows 2000


Requires clean install.
In-place installation option available.



Notes:
If you are currently using Windows 2000 Professional or Windows XP Professional x64, you are eligible for an upgrade copy to a corresponding or better edition of Windows Vista, but a clean install is required.

For versions of Windows earlier than Windows 2000, upgrade copies are not available. These earlier versions of Windows require you to install a full copy of Windows Vista.

If the edition of Windows Vista that you choose to install will result in a loss of functionality over your current edition of Windows, a clean install must be done or the installation must be completed to a new partition on your PC.

Your PC and Windows Vista
While selecting the edition of Windows Vista that's right for you, it's important to clearly understand what hardware your PC will need to ensure that the features you want will run reliably.

If you plan on adding Windows Vista to your current Windows XP-based computer, we suggest that you run the Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor RC to ensure that your PC is ready for the edition of Windows Vista that you choose to install.

Reviewing the Windows Vista Capable and Premium Ready PC specifications for system requirement guidance will help you determine the PC that will best meet your needs.

The Editions
Microsoft Windows Vista is designed to dramatically improve the computing experience of every kind of PC user—from people at home who use their PCs for simple web browsing, to business people who must organize and act on large volumes of data, to scientists who routinely perform complex mathematical analysis. To make sure that everyone has an offering tailored to meet their specific needs, Microsoft will deliver five different editions of Windows Vista. Each edition is focused on the needs of a specific type of person. Large, global organizations with complex IT infrastructures should consider Windows Vista Enterprise Edition.


For basic home needs such as e-mail and Internet access.
For the best home computing and entertainment.
For small and mid-sized organizations.
For work and entertainment, this is the most complete edition.
Details
Details
Details
Details



Home Basic Home Premium Business Ultimate
Most secure Windows ever
with Windows Defender and Windows Firewall
Quickly find what you need
with Instant Search and Windows Internet Explorer 7
Elegant Windows Aero desktop experience
with Windows Flip 3D navigation
Best choice for laptops
with enhanced Windows Mobility Center and Tablet PC support
Collaborate and share documents
with Windows Meeting Space
Experience photos and entertainment
in your living room with Windows Media Center
Enjoy Windows Media Center
on TVs throughout your home with Xbox 360â„¢ and other devices
Help protect against hardware failure
with advanced business backup features
Business networking and Remote Desktop
for easier connectivity
Better protect your data
against loss or theft with Windows BitLockerâ„¢ Drive Encryption


Windows Vista Starter
Windows Vista Starter is the most affordable way to enjoy the basic Windows Vista experience. Windows Vista Starter is exclusively* available in emerging markets, and is designed for a beginning PC user with additional tools and tutorials to make it easier to use. Read more.

*Note: Windows Vista Starter is not currently scheduled to be available in the United States, Canada, the European Union, Australia, New Zealand, or other high income markets as defined by the World Bank.

MSFT Sales and and Licensing told me they wanted to research the accuracy of upgrades from Home which I feel sure are accurate and some other inconsistencies they are seeing on internal MSFT sites and when I get the info I'll post it.

CH





CH

It is difficult to get the upgrade scenarios right until we get some
comments from a couple of the MSFT folks who are checking out our questions.
I had hoped to hear by now.

One rule I would suggest for migration is don't use a path which involves
more than one upgrade. If you have an XP that was an upgrade from WinME
that was an upgrade from....well, you get the idea. Get your Win2k or XP
system volume pared down to only software that is known to be compatible,
remove anything with an engine (antivirus, antispyware, packet writing
software, cd burning software), defrag and then make an image. This is the
base you will upgrade to Vista. If the upgrade fails or you don't like the
result you don't have to rebuild the food chain to get the base back.

Another, related, is that it is more expensive to migrate through a series
of small steps than it is to take one big one. If you want to wind up with
Home Premium, then just buy it up front.

Now let's bat these two around.

Chad, thanks once again for the blood, sweat, and tears of putting this together.
"Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message I don't know if this will clarify for the OP or anyone else, but here's what I know so far. I spoke to MSFT a while ago, but I don't have the lines of communication for this that Colin or another MVP might have with a representative that might cater to the questions better. Colin's recommendtations in the post he just made make plenty of sense as to a cascade of small steps (and the opportunity for things to corrupt or go wrong) and one large step. The "cleaner" and less complicated you can make an installation the better, I would think. I try not to post HTML out of band width considerations, but I wanted to include these chart to make it easier to sort this out.

 

[Chad Harris]

Thanks note that the MFST coward secretly deleted it all.

CH

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Chad, I still see the post in its original position in the thread. I don't know what to say.
"Chad Harris" <Vista RTM is really Beta 1.net> wrote in message LOL the anonymous MSFT chicken has deleted my posts once again Colin apparently. I do believe I posted this but none of the posts now remains at 8:50PM Seattle time. The rest of the post that you pasted is completely absent from this group on my XP boot after I saw it on my Vista boot. LOL. MSFT just doesn't want certain individuals to be able to post. What idiots.

Both posts I did no this thread are completely missing and I have the newsgroup set to "synchronize all." How do you defend this company's indiscriminate censorship when you work hard to help and give accurate info Colin?

I posted:

I don't know if this will clarify for the OP or anyone else, but here's what I know so far. I spoke to MSFT a while ago, but I don't have the lines of communication for this that Colin or another MVP might have with a representative that might cater to the questions better. Colin's recommendtations in the post he just made make plenty of sense as to a cascade of small steps (and the opportunity for things to corrupt or go wrong) and one large step. The "cleaner" and less complicated you can make an installation the better, I would think. I try not to post HTML out of band width considerations, but I wanted to include these chart to make it easier to sort this out.


1) As to the logistics of the Vista DVD that will allow licensing upgrades that will be sold either through the volumen licensing program say with Comp USA or that will b retailed and volume license sold after January 30,2007 I'm not sure of the logistics but I'd be willing to bet you will be able to purchase an upgrade Product key from one Vista edition to another from a MSFT site, and from stores--and possibly other sites that MSFT licenses to do this. I'm sure enterprises and midrange businesses will be able to handle this either through large 3rd party organizations, or MSFT reps.

2) Essentially though, this page should answer the questions the OP had that I can see:

Windows Vista Upgrade Planning
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeinfo.mspx

Windows Vista Editions
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/default.mspx

3) Please Keep in mind the following obvious points:

You can upgrade from Win 2K Service Pack 4, XP Home, and XP Pro, and XP X64.
XP Pro 64 Bit only comes through Volume Licensing or OEM purchases of course--at least legit purchases. Win 2K was only released as a 32 bit OS. As Colin has stressed multiple times, you aren't going to be able to upgrade cross platform or whatever term Colin likes better for this, i.e. you aren't going from a 32 bit previous OS like Win 2K or Win XP to a 64 bit Vista. This is not going to happen--at least via sales from Microsoft.



WINDOWS VISTA EDITIONS
Home Basic Home Premium Business Ultimate
Windows XP Professional
Windows XP Home
Windows XP Media Center
Windows XP Tablet PC
Windows XP Professional x64
Windows 2000


Requires clean install.
In-place installation option available.



Notes:
If you are currently using Windows 2000 Professional or Windows XP Professional x64, you are eligible for an upgrade copy to a corresponding or better edition of Windows Vista, but a clean install is required.

For versions of Windows earlier than Windows 2000, upgrade copies are not available. These earlier versions of Windows require you to install a full copy of Windows Vista.

If the edition of Windows Vista that you choose to install will result in a loss of functionality over your current edition of Windows, a clean install must be done or the installation must be completed to a new partition on your PC.

Your PC and Windows Vista
While selecting the edition of Windows Vista that's right for you, it's important to clearly understand what hardware your PC will need to ensure that the features you want will run reliably.

If you plan on adding Windows Vista to your current Windows XP-based computer, we suggest that you run the Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor RC to ensure that your PC is ready for the edition of Windows Vista that you choose to install.

Reviewing the Windows Vista Capable and Premium Ready PC specifications for system requirement guidance will help you determine the PC that will best meet your needs.

The Editions
Microsoft Windows Vista is designed to dramatically improve the computing experience of every kind of PC user—from people at home who use their PCs for simple web browsing, to business people who must organize and act on large volumes of data, to scientists who routinely perform complex mathematical analysis. To make sure that everyone has an offering tailored to meet their specific needs, Microsoft will deliver five different editions of Windows Vista. Each edition is focused on the needs of a specific type of person. Large, global organizations with complex IT infrastructures should consider Windows Vista Enterprise Edition.


For basic home needs such as e-mail and Internet access.
For the best home computing and entertainment.
For small and mid-sized organizations.
For work and entertainment, this is the most complete edition.
Details
Details
Details
Details



Home Basic Home Premium Business Ultimate
Most secure Windows ever
with Windows Defender and Windows Firewall
Quickly find what you need
with Instant Search and Windows Internet Explorer 7
Elegant Windows Aero desktop experience
with Windows Flip 3D navigation
Best choice for laptops
with enhanced Windows Mobility Center and Tablet PC support
Collaborate and share documents
with Windows Meeting Space
Experience photos and entertainment
in your living room with Windows Media Center
Enjoy Windows Media Center
on TVs throughout your home with Xbox 360â„¢ and other devices
Help protect against hardware failure
with advanced business backup features
Business networking and Remote Desktop
for easier connectivity
Better protect your data
against loss or theft with Windows BitLockerâ„¢ Drive Encryption


Windows Vista Starter
Windows Vista Starter is the most affordable way to enjoy the basic Windows Vista experience. Windows Vista Starter is exclusively* available in emerging markets, and is designed for a beginning PC user with additional tools and tutorials to make it easier to use. Read more.

*Note: Windows Vista Starter is not currently scheduled to be available in the United States, Canada, the European Union, Australia, New Zealand, or other high income markets as defined by the World Bank.

MSFT Sales and and Licensing told me they wanted to research the accuracy of upgrades from Home which I feel sure are accurate and some other inconsistencies they are seeing on internal MSFT sites and when I get the info I'll post it.

CH





CH

It is difficult to get the upgrade scenarios right until we get some
comments from a couple of the MSFT folks who are checking out our questions.
I had hoped to hear by now.

One rule I would suggest for migration is don't use a path which involves
more than one upgrade. If you have an XP that was an upgrade from WinME
that was an upgrade from....well, you get the idea. Get your Win2k or XP
system volume pared down to only software that is known to be compatible,
remove anything with an engine (antivirus, antispyware, packet writing
software, cd burning software), defrag and then make an image. This is the
base you will upgrade to Vista. If the upgrade fails or you don't like the
result you don't have to rebuild the food chain to get the base back.

Another, related, is that it is more expensive to migrate through a series
of small steps than it is to take one big one. If you want to wind up with
Home Premium, then just buy it up front.

Now let's bat these two around.

Chad, thanks once again for the blood, sweat, and tears of putting this together.
"Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message I don't know if this will clarify for the OP or anyone else, but here's what I know so far. I spoke to MSFT a while ago, but I don't have the lines of communication for this that Colin or another MVP might have with a representative that might cater to the questions better. Colin's recommendtations in the post he just made make plenty of sense as to a cascade of small steps (and the opportunity for things to corrupt or go wrong) and one large step. The "cleaner" and less complicated you can make an installation the better, I would think. I try not to post HTML out of band width considerations, but I wanted to include these chart to make it easier to sort this out.

 

[Guest]

Chad

I'm not surprised. It's Microgate.

.....................................................................

 

[Jeff]

Chad,
Looks like ya reposted it.
I didnt see it b4, but then again, I let "shredder Bob"(you know, MSFT Bob's good buddy) loose on Winmail the other day,
and boy oh boy, O&O safe-erase(aka. Shredder Bob) works great.
See this post now though.

Jeff
"Chad Harris" <Vista RTM is really Beta 1.net> wrote in message LOL the anonymous MSFT chicken has deleted my posts once again Colin apparently. I do believe I posted this but none of the posts now remains at 8:50PM Seattle time. The rest of the post that you pasted is completely absent from this group on my XP boot after I saw it on my Vista boot. LOL. MSFT just doesn't want certain individuals to be able to post. What idiots.

Both posts I did no this thread are completely missing and I have the newsgroup set to "synchronize all." How do you defend this company's indiscriminate censorship when you work hard to help and give accurate info Colin?

I posted:

I don't know if this will clarify for the OP or anyone else, but here's what I know so far. I spoke to MSFT a while ago, but I don't have the lines of communication for this that Colin or another MVP might have with a representative that might cater to the questions better. Colin's recommendtations in the post he just made make plenty of sense as to a cascade of small steps (and the opportunity for things to corrupt or go wrong) and one large step. The "cleaner" and less complicated you can make an installation the better, I would think. I try not to post HTML out of band width considerations, but I wanted to include these chart to make it easier to sort this out.


1) As to the logistics of the Vista DVD that will allow licensing upgrades that will be sold either through the volumen licensing program say with Comp USA or that will b retailed and volume license sold after January 30,2007 I'm not sure of the logistics but I'd be willing to bet you will be able to purchase an upgrade Product key from one Vista edition to another from a MSFT site, and from stores--and possibly other sites that MSFT licenses to do this. I'm sure enterprises and midrange businesses will be able to handle this either through large 3rd party organizations, or MSFT reps.

2) Essentially though, this page should answer the questions the OP had that I can see:

Windows Vista Upgrade Planning
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeinfo.mspx

Windows Vista Editions
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/default.mspx

3) Please Keep in mind the following obvious points:

You can upgrade from Win 2K Service Pack 4, XP Home, and XP Pro, and XP X64.
XP Pro 64 Bit only comes through Volume Licensing or OEM purchases of course--at least legit purchases. Win 2K was only released as a 32 bit OS. As Colin has stressed multiple times, you aren't going to be able to upgrade cross platform or whatever term Colin likes better for this, i.e. you aren't going from a 32 bit previous OS like Win 2K or Win XP to a 64 bit Vista. This is not going to happen--at least via sales from Microsoft.



WINDOWS VISTA EDITIONS
Home Basic Home Premium Business Ultimate
Windows XP Professional
Windows XP Home
Windows XP Media Center
Windows XP Tablet PC
Windows XP Professional x64
Windows 2000


Requires clean install.
In-place installation option available.



Notes:
If you are currently using Windows 2000 Professional or Windows XP Professional x64, you are eligible for an upgrade copy to a corresponding or better edition of Windows Vista, but a clean install is required.

For versions of Windows earlier than Windows 2000, upgrade copies are not available. These earlier versions of Windows require you to install a full copy of Windows Vista.

If the edition of Windows Vista that you choose to install will result in a loss of functionality over your current edition of Windows, a clean install must be done or the installation must be completed to a new partition on your PC.

Your PC and Windows Vista
While selecting the edition of Windows Vista that's right for you, it's important to clearly understand what hardware your PC will need to ensure that the features you want will run reliably.

If you plan on adding Windows Vista to your current Windows XP-based computer, we suggest that you run the Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor RC to ensure that your PC is ready for the edition of Windows Vista that you choose to install.

Reviewing the Windows Vista Capable and Premium Ready PC specifications for system requirement guidance will help you determine the PC that will best meet your needs.

The Editions
Microsoft Windows Vista is designed to dramatically improve the computing experience of every kind of PC user—from people at home who use their PCs for simple web browsing, to business people who must organize and act on large volumes of data, to scientists who routinely perform complex mathematical analysis. To make sure that everyone has an offering tailored to meet their specific needs, Microsoft will deliver five different editions of Windows Vista. Each edition is focused on the needs of a specific type of person. Large, global organizations with complex IT infrastructures should consider Windows Vista Enterprise Edition.


For basic home needs such as e-mail and Internet access.
For the best home computing and entertainment.
For small and mid-sized organizations.
For work and entertainment, this is the most complete edition.
Details
Details
Details
Details



Home Basic Home Premium Business Ultimate
Most secure Windows ever
with Windows Defender and Windows Firewall
Quickly find what you need
with Instant Search and Windows Internet Explorer 7
Elegant Windows Aero desktop experience
with Windows Flip 3D navigation
Best choice for laptops
with enhanced Windows Mobility Center and Tablet PC support
Collaborate and share documents
with Windows Meeting Space
Experience photos and entertainment
in your living room with Windows Media Center
Enjoy Windows Media Center
on TVs throughout your home with Xbox 360â„¢ and other devices
Help protect against hardware failure
with advanced business backup features
Business networking and Remote Desktop
for easier connectivity
Better protect your data
against loss or theft with Windows BitLockerâ„¢ Drive Encryption


Windows Vista Starter
Windows Vista Starter is the most affordable way to enjoy the basic Windows Vista experience. Windows Vista Starter is exclusively* available in emerging markets, and is designed for a beginning PC user with additional tools and tutorials to make it easier to use. Read more.

*Note: Windows Vista Starter is not currently scheduled to be available in the United States, Canada, the European Union, Australia, New Zealand, or other high income markets as defined by the World Bank.

MSFT Sales and and Licensing told me they wanted to research the accuracy of upgrades from Home which I feel sure are accurate and some other inconsistencies they are seeing on internal MSFT sites and when I get the info I'll post it.

CH





CH

It is difficult to get the upgrade scenarios right until we get some
comments from a couple of the MSFT folks who are checking out our questions.
I had hoped to hear by now.

One rule I would suggest for migration is don't use a path which involves
more than one upgrade. If you have an XP that was an upgrade from WinME
that was an upgrade from....well, you get the idea. Get your Win2k or XP
system volume pared down to only software that is known to be compatible,
remove anything with an engine (antivirus, antispyware, packet writing
software, cd burning software), defrag and then make an image. This is the
base you will upgrade to Vista. If the upgrade fails or you don't like the
result you don't have to rebuild the food chain to get the base back.

Another, related, is that it is more expensive to migrate through a series
of small steps than it is to take one big one. If you want to wind up with
Home Premium, then just buy it up front.

Now let's bat these two around.

Chad, thanks once again for the blood, sweat, and tears of putting this together.
"Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message I don't know if this will clarify for the OP or anyone else, but here's what I know so far. I spoke to MSFT a while ago, but I don't have the lines of communication for this that Colin or another MVP might have with a representative that might cater to the questions better. Colin's recommendtations in the post he just made make plenty of sense as to a cascade of small steps (and the opportunity for things to corrupt or go wrong) and one large step. The "cleaner" and less complicated you can make an installation the better, I would think. I try not to post HTML out of band width considerations, but I wanted to include these chart to make it easier to sort this out.

 

[Chad Harris]

I appreciate your thoughtful questions and I'm getting more complete info
from MSFT in a day or two. I'm also going to try to see if a Vista
developer will help me get some of this closer to "clarity."

My understanding Colin from talking to MFST today and from their Office site
is that you can upgrade to Office 2007 from Office 2K and later. They
couldn't tell me how they will implement that instant upgrade but we both no
one way will have to be going to a MSFT site and paying for your edition
improvement via credit card and then getting a product key that wil be
accessed via the DVD to some link, etc.

To upgrade from Office 2K you could have it on any OS that is supported by
Office 2007. You wouldn't need to put your Office 2000 in the hypothetical
on Vista, if you had it on Windows XP. However, unlike Vista, apparently
Office will not be supported on Windows 2000 SP4 (Vista upgrades from Win 2K
SP4 are. Those are nailed here:

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/suites/HA101668651033.aspx#1

Windows XP Supported Upgrade Paths
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292607

Upgrade Paths to Win XP
http://www.theeldergeek.com/xp_upgrade_paths.htm

"Note 2007 Microsoft Office system programs are supported on Windows Vista
Beta 2 (when available), and not earlier versions of Windows Vista. The 2007
Microsoft Office system programs client is a 32-bit application and runs on
a Windows 64-bit platform (Windows XP and Windows Server 2003) via WOW64."
"And what about Office 2k on Win2k? " Good question; sharp eye Colin.
Fuggedaboutdit--just trying to get in the mood for the Soprano's last stand.
You can upgrade from Office 2000 to Office 2007 systems but you have to be
on at least XP OS wise to do it. You don't have to do an install of Vista.
You could have upgraded Win 2K to XP since of course that's a valid upgrade
path or you could have Windows XP on the box to upgrade Office 2000 and any
later versions to Office 2007.

Good questions. Let me know if I didn't address them well enough.

CH

 

[Chad Harris]

Office 2007 if you look down the link a little further specifically can be
upgraded from

Office 2000 as to Office

and is supported by XP SP2. They want to encourage all you XPee ers and
XPee rtts to put SP2 on the box.

IE 6 or Later

Computer and processor 500 megahertz (MHz) processor or higher
Memory 256 megabyte (MB) RAM or higher1
Hard disk 1.5 gigabyte (GB); a portion of this disk space will be
freed after installation if the original download package is removed from
the hard drive.
Drive CD-ROM or DVD drive
Display 1024x768 or higher resolution monitor
Operating system Microsoft Windows(R) XP with Service Pack (SP) 2,
Windows Server(R) 2003 with SP1, or later operating system2
Other Certain inking features require running Microsoft Windows XP
Tablet PC Edition or later. Speech recognition functionality requires a
close-talk microphone and audio output device. Information Rights Management
features require access to a Windows 2003 Server with SP1 or later running
Windows Rights Management Services.

Connectivity to Microsoft Exchange Server 2000 or later is required
for certain advanced functionality in Outlook 2007. Dynamic Calendars
require server connectivity. Instant Search requires Microsoft Windows
Desktop Search 3.0.

Connectivity to Microsoft Windows Server 2003 with SP1 or later
running Microsoft Windows SharePoint Services is required for certain
advanced collaboration functionality. Microsoft Office SharePoint Server
2007 is required for certain advanced functionality PowerPoint Slide Library
requires Office SharePoint Server 2007.

Internet Explorer 6.0 or later, 32 bit browser only. Internet
functionality requires Internet access (fees may apply).




http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/suites/HA101668651033.aspx#1

CH

 

[Chad Harris]

No I didn't notice those and they're interesting. The one lol I'd need the
most is contextual spelling. Office cleanup wizard --I'll have to
investigate how it works. Thanks for pointing them out. They're interesting.
I hope though as far as OS/Office I hit your questions correctly Colin.

I get another crack at MSFT when they call back; and I may get over there
later this week and try to get someone to dig out some info.

CH