Interesting Norton Scan Question

[Pete]

Hi Guys,

I think this is an interesting question - so excuse my ignorance if it is
not . I am running xpsp2 and have NAV 2004.

If I scan the two directories I have in java (c:\prog files\java), Norton
tells me it scanned *way more* files than the number of files that is listed
when you do a right click/properties on the directory (or folder if you
prefer).

Here is an example -

If I scan one of the directories with Norton it tells me it scanned 15,306
files - but if I do a right click/properties on that same directory in
windows explorer, it says there are only 546 files (which is correct since
you can tell by doing a quick look at all the sub directories).

So where is Norton pulling all these files from. I looked at the screen
while it was scanning and it looked like it stayed within the directory.
Please explain (and I hope I'm not being dense).

BTW, when I scan all of C: the total number of files scanned is something in
the neighborhood of 160,000 files (IIRC), so it makes no sense that the
directory in java has 15,000 files scanned, and the other directory in java
that I scanned listed approx 12,000 files after the scan.

Thanks...Pete

 

[Art]

Hi Guys,

I think this is an interesting question - so excuse my ignorance if it is
not . I am running xpsp2 and have NAV 2004.

If I scan the two directories I have in java (c:\prog files\java), Norton
tells me it scanned *way more* files than the number of files that is listed
when you do a right click/properties on the directory (or folder if you
prefer).

Compressed archive files can contain many files. Your av counts all
the files it scans "within" every compressed archive file. Your
directory listing only shows files the file system "knows about" and
not all the files in compressed archives.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Adam Piggott]

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Hi Guys,

I think this is an interesting question - so excuse my ignorance if it is
not . I am running xpsp2 and have NAV 2004.

If I scan the two directories I have in java (c:\prog files\java), Norton
tells me it scanned *way more* files than the number of files that is listed
when you do a right click/properties on the directory (or folder if you
prefer).

Java files (.jar) are actually Zip files with the Java code inside them.
Norton will be unpacking the contents of each .jar file and scanning inside
them which is why the scanned files count is more than Explorer says you
have files.

HTH,

Adam Piggott, Proprietor, Proactive Services (Computing).
http://www.proactiveservices.co.uk/

Please replace dot invalid with dot uk to email me.
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[Pete]

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Java files (.jar) are actually Zip files with the Java code inside
them. Norton will be unpacking the contents of each .jar file and
scanning inside them which is why the scanned files count is more
than Explorer says you have files.

Thanks Adam and Art...I am still puzzled by this, and I know nothing about
java even after googling it - eg, when does it come into play during my web
surfing, etc. Remember I said that my total file scan count on a scan of C:
was approx 160,000 files. The java alone is approx 27,000, which is about
17% of everything it scans in C: - That doesn't sound right, but I don't
know exactly what Norton is scanning, when it scans C: Can that be right
(ie 17% of the total C: scan is comprised of a few ".jar" files in a couple
java directories...Pete

 

[Adam Piggott]

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Adam Piggott wrote:

Java files (.jar) are actually Zip files with the Java code inside
them. Norton will be unpacking the contents of each .jar file and
scanning inside them which is why the scanned files count is more
than Explorer says you have files.

Not very often, I've found. ADSLGuide.org.uk's Internet connection speed
tester uses it:
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedtest.asp

It pops up sometimes with some online stores, special pages like NASA's
"drive the Mars Rover around" and other web pages that need to display
complicated or interactive content - some web site games use it as well.


I can tell you that the Java installation does have an unusually large
amount of files in it! The rt.jar file alone has 12932 files inside it.
The figures you're coming across may seem strange but they are correct, I
can understand why you're querying it!
I've just scanned the Java Program Files folder and including Zipped files
the count was 15158 files.
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[Pete]

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Not very often, I've found. ADSLGuide.org.uk's Internet connection
speed tester uses it:
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedtest.asp

It pops up sometimes with some online stores, special pages like
NASA's "drive the Mars Rover around" and other web pages that need to
display complicated or interactive content - some web site games use
it as well.

Thanks Adam...It sounds like I don't need it. Is it better just to leave it
installed just in case, and is it okay to delete the previous version of
java in add/remove programs (also is it okay to remove all the previous
versions of "acrobat reader" in add/remove programs, or are they "additive"
and you need to keep the earlier directories also for the complete
application to work)...Pete

 

[Adam Piggott]

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Adam Piggott wrote:

It pops up sometimes with some online stores, special pages like
NASA's "drive the Mars Rover around" and other web pages that need to
display complicated or interactive content - some web site games use
it as well.

The problem with Java, I feel, is that it is used very little but suffers
from relatively severe security issues. It also takes up quite a wodge of
disk space. I expect that without it installed it would take quite a while
before you found yourself wanting it.


I uninstall the program completely then install the latest version when
updating, as parts of the previous installation are left behind (including
the Add/Remove entries). I believe that in the past I have removed old
entries but can't guarantee this works as it was a while ago.

The security updates for Adobe Acrobat are additive, they should be left as
is. Or you could use Foxit PDF Viewer (haven't got link on me, a web search
should find it).

Cheers
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[Art]

And some online financial institutions require it from what I hear.

The problem with Java, I feel, is that it is used very little but suffers
from relatively severe security issues. It also takes up quite a wodge of
disk space. I expect that without it installed it would take quite a while
before you found yourself wanting it.

I've uninstalled it from my machines and don't miss it. It's one less
largre item that I no longer have to bother to update and scan.

The security updates for Adobe Acrobat are additive, they should be left as
is. Or you could use Foxit PDF Viewer (haven't got link on me, a web search
should find it).

Here it is:

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Bill Clark]

And some online financial institutions require it from what I
hear.

I've uninstalled it from my machines and don't miss it. It's one
less largre item that I no longer have to bother to update and
scan.

I need it for on-line crosswords but using "prefbar" for Firefox
1.0.* or "quick preferences" for 1.5.* makes it easy to turn it on
and off...

 

[kurt wismer]

I need it for on-line crosswords but using "prefbar" for Firefox
1.0.* or "quick preferences" for 1.5.* makes it easy to turn it on
and off...

have you tried noscript (http://www.noscript.net)? basically it's a
firefox extension that implements a whitelist for all those lovely
active content features (java, javascript, flash, etc)... only content
hosted by domains in your whitelist will be loaded and executed...

 

[Adam Piggott]

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I need it for on-line crosswords but using "prefbar" for Firefox
1.0.* or "quick preferences" for 1.5.* makes it easy to turn it on
and off...

Yep, I use PrefBar. F8, tick the Java box, refresh the page. Wash, rinse
repeat

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[Pete]

And some online financial institutions require it from what I hear.


I've uninstalled it from my machines and don't miss it. It's one less
largre item that I no longer have to bother to update and scan.


Here it is:

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

Thanks Art...I have pasted a section of the web page below, and have a
question -
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Foxit Reader is extremely easy to use, just double click it to start and
then click open button to open your PDF document. If you want to print,
click on "Print" button. If you want to change the page layout for printing,
select "Print Setup" from "File" menu.
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When you have adobe installed and you click on a pdf page in google, it
downloads it automatically, which is nice.

It is not clear to me how the foxit reader works - sounds clumsy. It says
you have to double click it to start it, and then click the open button to
open your pdf document. I don't understand. That sounds like you are
clicking "open" in MS "works" or "word", or something like that. So how
would you click "open" when you are viewing a list of hits from google. I
hope you see what I am asking. Thanks again to you and Adam ...Pete

 

[Art]

Thanks Art...I have pasted a section of the web page below, and have a
question -
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Foxit Reader is extremely easy to use, just double click it to start and
then click open button to open your PDF document. If you want to print,
click on "Print" button. If you want to change the page layout for printing,
select "Print Setup" from "File" menu.
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When you have adobe installed and you click on a pdf page in google, it
downloads it automatically, which is nice.

It is not clear to me how the foxit reader works - sounds clumsy. It says
you have to double click it to start it, and then click the open button to
open your pdf document. I don't understand. That sounds like you are
clicking "open" in MS "works" or "word", or something like that. So how
would you click "open" when you are viewing a list of hits from google. I
hope you see what I am asking. Thanks again to you and Adam ...Pete

I've never made Foxit my defualt PDF reader. I use Adobe. I suppose
what happens if you don't use Adobe and make Foxit your defualt reader
is that you might have to choose "Save" or "Save as" in your browser
when you click on a PDF at a web site. Then the PDF would download to
a folder of your choosing. You'd then Open it in Foxit or just click
on the file since PDF would be associated with Foxit. No big deal
really. I consider the ability to auto download and auto-run PDFs at
web sites a very minor convenience myself and wouldn't consider it
"clumsy" to have to manually download them. To each his own
Maybe if I found myself peeking at tons of PDFs at web sites that I
found I wasn't really interested in, I'd feel differently.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Pete]

I've never made Foxit my defualt PDF reader. I use Adobe. I suppose
what happens if you don't use Adobe and make Foxit your defualt reader
is that you might have to choose "Save" or "Save as" in your browser
when you click on a PDF at a web site. Then the PDF would download to
a folder of your choosing. You'd then Open it in Foxit or just click
on the file since PDF would be associated with Foxit. No big deal
really. I consider the ability to auto download and auto-run PDFs at
web sites a very minor convenience myself and wouldn't consider it
"clumsy" to have to manually download them. To each his own
Maybe if I found myself peeking at tons of PDFs at web sites that I
found I wasn't really interested in, I'd feel differently.

Thanks Art...thats what I thought. The free Adobe reader works great
(except the download is 20 mb instead of 1 mb for the Foxit - obviously the
adobe has oodles more capability). So I guess I don't understand why anyone
would want to use Foxit instead of adobe. I see no advantage at all. Take
care...Pete

 

[Art]

Thanks Art...thats what I thought. The free Adobe reader works great
(except the download is 20 mb instead of 1 mb for the Foxit - obviously the
adobe has oodles more capability). So I guess I don't understand why anyone
would want to use Foxit instead of adobe. I see no advantage at all. Take
care...Pete

It occurred to me after I wrote my response that browsers have a "Open
with" option that might be used to Open Foxit. It may not be as
inconvenient to use on the internet as I had speculated. If you really
want to explore it, I see the web site has a Forum where you can get
feedback from users on the issue.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[kurt wismer]

Pete wrote:
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It is not clear to me how the foxit reader works - sounds clumsy. It says
you have to double click it to start it, and then click the open button to
open your pdf document. I don't understand. That sounds like you are
clicking "open" in MS "works" or "word", or something like that. So how
would you click "open" when you are viewing a list of hits from google. I
hope you see what I am asking. Thanks again to you and Adam ...Pete

you're asking how do you get it set up so that it will open pdfs when
you click on the link in your browser... that's a good question... i
dumped adobe because i couldn't abide by all the added crap they kept
trying to stick in the updates that had nothing to do with keeping it
secure or up to date... i uninstalled adobe and subsequently installed
foxit and from my experience foxit does not try to integrate with the
browser (at least not firefox) so it won't open that way...

so i found something else i could do for online documents... i found
this site (http://view.samurajdata.se/) which does online conversion of
pdf, postscript, and word documents to image files for viewing online
and i turned it into a keyword bookmark so when i encounter a link to a
*.pdf (or a *.ps or *.doc) i just type 'view' in front of the url and i
can read the document (can't do searches in an image, and navigating
multi-page documents can be a little clumsy with each page being a
different image but it does postscript and i don't need anything
installed)...

it may be possible to get foxit to open links you click on in your
browser, i don't know...

 

[Bill Clark]

it may be possible to get foxit to open links you click on in your
browser, i don't know...

tools>options>downloads>view and edit actions>change action:

replace adobe with foxit

 

[kurt wismer]

tools>options>downloads>view and edit actions>change action:

replace adobe with foxit

yup, that works... thanks bill, it's not often but i do occasionally
like to be able to search within a pdf...

 

[Art]

tools>options>downloads>view and edit actions>change action:

replace adobe with foxit

I did this in Firefox, plus I had to change the system PDF file
association to Foxit, and also set the Firefox "Open with" to "do this
automatically every time" ... and it works fine for automatically
reading PDFs at web sites. Thanks for the idea, Bill.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Pete]

I did this in Firefox, plus I had to change the system PDF file
association to Foxit, and also set the Firefox "Open with" to "do this
automatically every time"

Art...Do not quite follow this. Where and how did you do this (ie, set the
Firefox "Open with" to "do this automatically every time"). Also why would
you prefer Foxit to Adobe (Adobe has searches, and other things I don't even
know about)...Pete

.... and it works fine for automatically