Install illegal copy for customer - Legal?

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

And it could be said you have used due diligence since you are using the
original key.
I assume original is what you meant?
But a replacement CD should be acquired, easy enough for retail, sometimes
impossible with OEM.
The OP was not specific enough to know all the relevant facts.
A problem with a copied CD is the data could have been tampered with in
conjunction with the copying process.
All original goes a long way to prevent any issues, perceived or actual.

Regardless the source of the copy, if there are problems, it can reflect on
the business person performing the operation.
Many in this thread are talking about legality, but the ethics of it are far
more likely to impact the business so both need to be a consideration.

 

[Jim Byrd]

I'm inclined to agree since I can certainly conceive of someone wanting to
install a CD/MVP on which they've burned a perfectly legitimate .iso
downloaded from an MSDN subscription - I do so all the time. (Although I
would narmally expect such a person to be able to do his/her own install in
that case. ) Like a viable cryptographic system, the security lies
in the key, not the system.

 

[David Candy]

When I go to the supermarket they have never queried me if the money I am paying was obtained illegally or not. There is recklessness where one should know something but doesn't. A simple ask the costomer would cover that. But consult a lawyer.

 

[kurttrail]

And it could be said you have used due diligence since you are using
the original key.
I assume original is what you meant?
But a replacement CD should be acquired, easy enough for retail,
sometimes impossible with OEM.
The OP was not specific enough to know all the relevant facts.
A problem with a copied CD is the data could have been tampered with
in conjunction with the copying process.
All original goes a long way to prevent any issues, perceived or
actual.
Regardless the source of the copy, if there are problems, it can
reflect on the business person performing the operation.
Many in this thread are talking about legality, but the ethics of it
are far more likely to impact the business so both need to be a
consideration.

LOL! The CD used is not the license. The License is the PK.

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[Richard Urban]

How about just good business sense?

The CD presented to you "may" have been tampered with. You don't know for a
fact that it was NOT.

Now, you install the operating system and the customer brings back the PC in
2 weeks with all sorts of problems. It's upon YOUR shoulders to try to
straighten out the mess - on YOUR nickel!

Not me!

And it has nothing to do with being legal/ethical or not.

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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

I never suggested anything of the kind.
As you so often do, you comment without reading the post you comment.
Read my post again for the first time Kurt.

 

[David Candy]

To use one's downgrade rights on XP one must aquire a CD. MS will NOT supply the CD. So one must find it elsewhere.

The fools at MS have screwed up again and hidden data. This is what it said once.

In part
The end user may use media from any genuine Microsoft software (that is legally licensed) to install the downgrade software.

The Windows XP Professional EULA grants the end user a "downgrade" right, which is the right to install and run a previous version of Microsoft Windows (Windows 2000 Professional, Windows NT Workstation version 4.0, or Windows 98 Second Edition only). In order to downgrade, it is necessary for the end user to accept the terms of the Windows XP Professional EULA by going through the initial start-up process and accepting the Windows XP Professional license. Thereafter, the end user (or the OEM, on its behalf, if authorized by the end user) must delete Windows XP Professional from the computer and then install the downgrade version. However, under the terms of the EULA, the Windows XP Professional EULA applies. The EULA specifically provides that neither the System Builder nor Microsoft will provide support for the downgraded version or supply the media from which the end user will copy the downgraded version. The end user may use media from any genuine Microsoft software (that is legally licensed) to install the downgrade software (Select, Open, Retail (FPP) or System Builder (E2E) media). The end user retains the right to reinstall Windows XP Professional at any time, provided that the prior version is uninstalled.
Please note: the Windows XP Professional downgrade right is an end user right. Windows XP Professional is the only Microsoft OEM software which grants such a downgrade right.

 

[Plato]

If a customer brings in his computer into a computer shop and asks the
technician to reformat is computer and install a copied version of
Windows (which the customer provides), is it legal for the technician
to do so?

Your subject plainly stated "Install illegal copy for customer". So,
since you already stated the copy is "illegal", then it up to you to
decide what type of business you want to run.

 

[kurttrail]

How about just good business sense?

The CD presented to you "may" have been tampered with. You don't know
for a fact that it was NOT.

Now, you install the operating system and the customer brings back
the PC in 2 weeks with all sorts of problems. It's upon YOUR
shoulders to try to straighten out the mess - on YOUR nickel!

Not me!

And it has nothing to do with being legal/ethical or not.

LOL! You tell the customer up front that they are responsible for any
anomalies due to the CD.

Man, ya'll are paranoid.


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[kurttrail]

I never suggested anything of the kind.
As you so often do, you comment without reading the post you comment.
Read my post again for the first time Kurt.

Dude, you are trying to imply that ethics has some bearing in the CD
used. The CD is not the license.

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[Uncle Joe]

I worked for a couple of years as a salesman in a big box
computer store with excellent certified technicians. The
company's policy was simple when it came to insalling
software on a customer'sPC or Mac: No original media
and COA, no installation. The company's liability concerns
far outweighed the happiness of a given customer. If
customers were willing to return home and retrieve the original
OS/application CDs and media and COAs, fine. We'd install it
for them.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

The license is the PK, not the CD, and there is NOTHING wrong with using
the same CD to install on multiple computers as long as the PK hasn't
been used on multiple computers.

Obviously, but the OP has already stated that the copy is illegal. My
answer is posted based upon that information, not the theoretical
ramifications of the completely different situation that you posit.
Please stick to the original subject, Kurt; if you can't keep up, take
notes.


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[Ken A]

What about a slipstreamed CD???

I only install from Windows Media or a vendors Media, never from a
unbranded CD/Disk.

 

[John Barnett MVP]

No problem with that, providing you have a legal product code number.

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What about a slipstreamed CD???

 

[kurttrail]

Obviously, but the OP has already stated that the copy is illegal.

Maybe he is just assuming? He didn't state how he knew it was illegal.
In his post he seemed to be implying he suspicion of illegality was
based on the fact that it was a burned CD. The OP didn't sound like he
knew that the license isn't a part of the CD but a part of the PK.

My
answer is posted based upon that information, not the theoretical
ramifications of the completely different situation that you posit.
Please stick to the original subject, Kurt; if you can't keep up, take
notes.

F*#k off, Bruce. People use the wrong word in posts all the time. If
you actually read the post, the OP states nothing in his situation where
the CD could be considered "illegal." Again, it wouldn't matter, it
would be the PK that would be illegal, not the CD.

But you can't keep up, and if you took notes, you'd still f*#k them up.

The ILLEGAL COPY wouldn't be with whatever CD was used, but in whatever
Product Key was used. Have you got that straight now Bruce?

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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Read my post Kurt.
Also read the title of the thread.
Read them all for the first time.

Your agenda requires I tie the license to the CD.
But that is only in your imagination since I implied no such thing.
I question whether the information on the CD has been tampered with before
or during the copying process and that is not the same.

The OP used the word "illegal", something apparently beyond you.
That and the OPs lack of other details warrants asking further questions.
The use of the word "illegal" brings into suspicion whatever the OP has and
more information is required to determine if it is illegitimate or not.

Ethics may be meaningless to you, but in this case there are obviously
questionable materials "illegal" as the OP has stated.
More information is required before I would continue.

Go ahead now Kurt.
Feed Kurt's ego by having the last word.
That and nothing more will be accomplished by Kurt posting the last word.

 

[David Candy]

While researching to backup your hypothesis I discovered that one can only use a legal copy of windows to install a downgraded version (doesn't have to be yours, just legal). As you are allowed to make one backup it wasn't clear if this would count. And of course the specifics was downgrade rights (for XP) not XP itself.

As one can download XP (from MS) one images this is a legal version as well.

Remember FUD rules.

Will you help us Australians and me when I get sent to jail for 5 years in a little while for criticising the government.
http://margokingston.typepad.com/harry_version_2/2005/10/antiterrorism_l_4.html#more
http://margokingston.typepad.com/harry_version_2/2005/10/the_howard_coun.html#more

Do you want to know what our concentration camps are like.
http://margokingston.typepad.com/harry_version_2/2005/10/antiterrorism_l_4.html#more

Do you want to know how americians who protest against our government are treated
http://margokingston.typepad.com/harry_version_2/2005/09/scott_parkin_sp.html#more

 

[scarletbananabeach]

The customer told the technician that it was a copy of the software he
didn't purchase. He doesn't have the knowledge to install it and he's
asking (paying) the computer tech to do it.

Joan

 

[kurttrail]

Read my post Kurt.
Also read the title of the thread.
Read them all for the first time.

LOL! You are so full of it.

I see the Subject, but the OP has yet to show that it is REALLY an
illegal copy.

He seems to assume that a burned CD is what makes the copy "illegal."
Nothing could be futher from the truth.

Your agenda requires I tie the license to the CD.

"But a replacement CD should be acquired"

Why? It is not necessary for the license of a legit copy!

But that is only in your imagination since I implied no such thing.

LOL! Bullsh*t!

I question whether the information on the CD has been tampered with
before or during the copying process and that is not the same.

Yeah, it could have been tampered with a slipstreaming of SP2 for all
you know!

And the tampering issue is easily solved by telling the customer that
they are responsible for any anomalies that result from their burned CD.

The OP used the word "illegal", something apparently beyond you.

Yeah! I see no evidence of illegality in the OP's description of the
situation in his post. People confuse "registration" with "activation"
all the time.

The OP could very well be confusing burned CD as illegal copy, which a
burned CD is NOT illegal in and of itself! It would be the PK that
would make the install illegal, NOT THE CD USED!

It is you that should go back and read the OP!

That and the OPs lack of other details warrants asking further
questions. The use of the word "illegal" brings into suspicion
whatever the OP has and more information is required to determine if
it is illegitimate or not.

Idiot. And if the Subject of this thread is that "The Earth is Flat!"
you go on the assumption that the Earth is Flat?

Ethics may be meaningless to you, but in this case there are obviously
questionable materials "illegal" as the OP has stated.
More information is required before I would continue.

From what the OP wrote, Ethics has NOTHING to do with it! A burned copy
of an XP CD is NOT evidence of illegality of the copy. All it suggests
is that the CD is a burned copy of an XP CD.

Go ahead now Kurt.

Where to Juppydrone?

Feed Kurt's ego by having the last word.

LOL! See, to you posting to this group is about EGO, and that why you
are posting here. For me, it ain't about ego, but with dissemination
the truth. It's not about me at all. Hell, I wouldn't make fun of
myself in my sig at the end of every post, if I was concerned about my
ego.

That and nothing more will be accomplished by Kurt posting the last
word.

To you, probably not. You are a waste of air. But this reply isn't for
you, but for those reading this thread that actually have an open mind,
and are capable of figuring out what they believe for themselves.

Too bad you aren't man enough to reply to my posts without changing my
words, Juppy.

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[kurttrail]

The customer told the technician that it was a copy of the software he
didn't purchase. He doesn't have the knowledge to install it and he's
asking (paying) the computer tech to do it.

"doesn't have to be yours, just legal"

So if the customer burned a copy from a friends legal copy, there is
nothing wrong, even in Assbackwards Australia.

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