IE7 PRO - No Good!

[Doug W.]

<snip - lot of troubleshooting which has nothing to do with
IE7>

There is no Pro[essional] version of Internet Explorer 7.
There is
just IE7. Perhaps what you really meant to rant on about was
IE7Pro.
There is also IEPlus that has many similar features (and some
claim
one stole code from the other). They aren't stable. IE7Pro
crashes
more often than does IEPlus but both crash. Don't go blaming
Microsoft because you install unknown plug-ins to IE that you
haven't
fully trialed on a test host and instead decided to inflict
upon your
production host.

I did follow the Microsoft path to download it, after a
regular
Windows Update session, from the Windows Marketplace.

Yes this is the link
http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/details.aspx?view=info&itemid=3407728

So when I get a tip from Microsoft that there is an add on for
ie, I
am not supposed to trust it?

I mean somebody in Seattle must have tried it right?

For a utility, that is the first place that I look.

They were not supposed to list a software like that.

I> tried both. Of the myriad of extras that they add

to IE, only a couple had value to me but both were unstable
so they
got discarded.


Perhaps you are talking about:

http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/category.aspx?bcatid=834

Links to the add-ons go to the authors site. They weren't
written by
Microsoft. You use them at your own risk. For IE7Pro at:

http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/details.aspx?view=info&itemid=3407728

you aren't even getting it from Microsoft. It's not their
software!
The download link gets the file from download.com because the
program's author doesn't bother to provide his own file
server).
Microsoft isn't responsible for software produced by 3rd
parties.http://www.ie7pro.com/is not Microsoft. Go read
their About Us web
page at their site.

I KNOW that they do not assume responsibility for third party
stuff
but, who does anyway?

When Microsoft "lists" an add on for me to check it out, I
trust them,
period. This is what I am upset about.

Next time, do a Google search to check on problems with an
unknown
program. IE7Pro has a support forum (click on their Support
link at
their web site and then click the forums link on the
rightside of
their blog). Look like Microsoft to you? Doesn't look like
you even
tried to expend a fart's worth of effort in getting help from
the
program's author or through their forums.


Actually it is quite likely that you have never seen ANY
software
writing. Did you actually disassemble IE7 to look at its
code. You
haven't a clue about whether or not the code was poorly
written.
Poorly written code can still behave very well. You can only
comment
on the product's behavior. And you can't even properly
identify WHICH
product with which you are having difficulties.

Fine. But in 2007, being a code writer is not supposed to be a
"requirement" to operate a simple browser add on!

I have mentioned ie7Pro many times, you could have just google
it.
(but be carefull with "google" too, you' ll never know??)

Best,
Serhan

-
So...de-activate it and NEVER use it again.
=

 

[RJK]

Isn't that the thing that used to be called Netscape -i.e. the web browser
that never worked properly, and still doesn't

regards, Richard

 

[Gordon]

Isn't that the thing that used to be called Netscape -i.e. the web browser
that never worked properly, and still doesn't

Absolutely NOT. Firefox 2.0.0.8 is every way as good if not better than
IE7....

 

[VanguardLH]

in message

I did follow the Microsoft path to download it, after a regular
Windows Update session, from the Windows Marketplace.

Yes this is the link
http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/details.aspx?view=info&itemid=3407728

So when I get a tip from Microsoft that there is an add on for ie, I
am not supposed to trust it?

I mean somebody in Seattle must have tried it right?

Microsoft is trying to promote users to switch to IE7. That page is
*marketing* to do that promotion. They need to add more fluff (than
what they already include in their OS) to bloat the potence of their
browser. Firefox has its add-ons, too, but they weren't written by
the Mozilla programming group. They may suggest the add-ons but they
aren't responsible for their behavior.

For a utility, that is the first place that I look.

What gets listed there seems more like what developers submitted to
Microsoft. There is no Microsoft seal of approval to warrant any
behavior of that 3rd party software. The author goes through the
process listed at
http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/showcase.aspx?ctId=17. Yes, there
is step 3 for certification but it isn't mandatory, it's for Vista,
plus the authors submit their software which is probably tested on a
clean host rather than the polluted environment of most users. That
Windows certification is not listed in the pages for the product
descriptions there. All you see are customer reviews. When you go to
IE7Pro's web site, where do you see the Windows certification?

Getting those 3rd party utilities is no different than if you went to
download.com or softpedia.com to get software from there. They just
list utilities that have been submitted to them or requested by users
and authorized by the authors. tucows.com does some review but too
often they are worthless and instead just a rehash of what the author
said to say.

Windows Marketplace shows customer ratings for each advertised
utility. Did you read them? If so, why would you think IE7Pro had no
problems and was blessed by Microsoft?

They were not supposed to list a software like that.

And Microsoft has partners, too. At one time, they listed Computer
Associates for their EzAntivirus program because Microsoft was
squawking about security, didn't have an anti-virus program yet,
bought GeCAD's RAV, took a year or more to get it into OneCare, and it
still performs badly for coverage. Not everyone that used EzAntivirus
had no problems with it. One problem is that it would eventually go
dead (it would alert that it wasn't protecting). The only solution CA
came up with was to uninstall and reinstall their program (rolls
eyes). Is Microsoft also responsible for defects in an AV program
provided by a partner? Microsoft makes suggestions for solutions. It
is up to you to make the decision if you even need that "solution" or
if a different one is more appropriate to you.

When Microsoft "lists" an add on for me to check it out, I trust
them,
period. This is what I am upset about.

And I bet you are the type of user that when Microsoft's Windows
Update site lists a hardware driver update that you go ahead and
install it from there rather than visit the hardware vendor's web site
to check on which download is actually appropriate for your hardware
despite your hardware already works okay with the driver already
installed. Just because you use Microsoft's OS doesn't mean you
should consider their recommendations for 3rd party software to
somehow mean that they have tested it and guaranteed that it works
perfectly. After all, you are using a general-purpose operating
system where lots of its code and a vast majority of software
available for that platform were written by someone other than the OS
author.

Looks like it is time to visit their forums should you even bother to
give the utility another shot. Did you add your own review to Windows
Marketplace for that add-on (try being more professional in your
troubleshooting description and failure analysis). You're not going
to get much of an audience here that uses IE7Pro versus the exposure
for everyone, like you, that looks at Windows Marketplace. You can
whine all you want here but it will have no effect on the number of
users that visit Marketplace and download that add-on. There are only
3 user reviews there. If you want some impact, go add a review! Be
sure to read their review guidelines before posting a review there.

 

[Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM]

True, but got it from the Windows Marketplace. I am not used to be
suspicious about the stuff that is listed on that site.

Always be suspicious about Windows Marketplace. It has carried some fairly
bad stuff.

 

[Borg Vomit]

There is noPro[essional] version of Internet Explorer 7. There is

justIE7. Perhaps what you really meant to rant on about was IE7Pro.

While it may be true that the OP was confused; he was right in that
both IE7 and IE7 Pro sucks. Both are trying to do too much without
covering the basics.

The session savers for FireFox require little or no set up, and they
work really well and provide a history of sessions. IE7 Pro requires
that you select tab session restore (which didn't work*) and offers 5
or 6 other "features" which I personally didn't need. I just really
needed a session saver (and recover) because IE7 always crashes.
(Well, why use IE7 at all?)

What makes it worse is some sites still don't work with Firefox,
ironically, they don't fully work with IE7 either. It really is
astonishing that Microsoft, with all it's power and resources still
produces garbage and still blames it on everything other than QA. My
company makes software and we could never produce such buggy software
and still stay in business.

There's also a lack of true innovation in Microsoft products. I won't
go into details here, but exactly what was the reason for producing
IE7? The tabs? They're just catching up with Firefox and what good
are tabs when the browser crashes? And when did security become a
feature and not a requirement? The 7th version of a Microsoft product
should be bullet proof. IE7 is garbage compared to Firefox.

*I use multiple browser windows and IE7 Pro seemed to ignore the other
windows--which is stupid because when IE7 crashes all tabs and all
browser windows crash.

 

[Borg Vomit]

While it may be true that the OP was confused; he was right in that
both IE7 and IE7 Pro sucks. Both are trying to do too much without
covering the basics.

The session savers for FireFox require little or no set up, and they
work really well and provide a history of sessions. IE7 Pro requires
that you select tab session restore (which didn't work*) and offers 5
or 6 other "features" which I personally didn't need. I just really
needed a session saver (and recover) because IE7 always crashes.
(Well, why use IE7 at all?)

What makes it worse is some sites still don't work with Firefox,
ironically, they don't fully work with IE7 either. It really is
astonishing that Microsoft, with all it's power and resources still
produces garbage and still blames it on everything other than QA. My
company makes software and we could never produce such buggy software
and still stay in business.

There's also a lack of true innovation in Microsoft products. I won't
go into details here, but exactly what was the reason for producing
IE7? The tabs? They're just catching up with Firefox and what good
are tabs when the browser crashes? And when did security become a
feature and not a requirement? The 7th version of a Microsoft product
should be bullet proof. IE7 is garbage compared to Firefox.

*I use multiple browser windows and IE7 Pro seemed to ignore the other
windows--which is stupid because when IE7 crashes all tabs and all
browser windows crash.

 

[Melvin Cotterill]

No one is forced to buy or use IE7. If Firefox or Coyote II is so great then
use it. So be it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

There is noPro[essional] version of Internet Explorer 7. There is
justIE7. Perhaps what you really meant to rant on about was IE7Pro.

While it may be true that the OP was confused; he was right in that
both IE7 and IE7 Pro sucks. Both are trying to do too much without
covering the basics.

The session savers for FireFox require little or no set up, and they
work really well and provide a history of sessions. IE7 Pro requires
that you select tab session restore (which didn't work*) and offers 5
or 6 other "features" which I personally didn't need. I just really
needed a session saver (and recover) because IE7 always crashes.
(Well, why use IE7 at all?)

What makes it worse is some sites still don't work with Firefox,
ironically, they don't fully work with IE7 either. It really is
astonishing that Microsoft, with all it's power and resources still
produces garbage and still blames it on everything other than QA. My
company makes software and we could never produce such buggy software
and still stay in business.

There's also a lack of true innovation in Microsoft products. I won't
go into details here, but exactly what was the reason for producing
IE7? The tabs? They're just catching up with Firefox and what good
are tabs when the browser crashes? And when did security become a
feature and not a requirement? The 7th version of a Microsoft product
should be bullet proof. IE7 is garbage compared to Firefox.

*I use multiple browser windows and IE7 Pro seemed to ignore the other
windows--which is stupid because when IE7 crashes all tabs and all
browser windows crash.

 

[student]

Wrong. some installs just load IEx to view the "help" & other stuff; some
software app also just load IEx. One is definitely "forced" to use IEx
& not delete it.

No one is forced to buy or use IE7. If Firefox or Coyote II is so great then
use it. So be it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

There is noPro[essional] version of Internet Explorer 7. There is
justIE7. Perhaps what you really meant to rant on about was IE7Pro.

While it may be true that the OP was confused; he was right in that
both IE7 and IE7 Pro sucks. Both are trying to do too much without
covering the basics.

The session savers for FireFox require little or no set up, and they
work really well and provide a history of sessions. IE7 Pro requires
that you select tab session restore (which didn't work*) and offers 5
or 6 other "features" which I personally didn't need. I just really
needed a session saver (and recover) because IE7 always crashes.
(Well, why use IE7 at all?)

What makes it worse is some sites still don't work with Firefox,
ironically, they don't fully work with IE7 either. It really is
astonishing that Microsoft, with all it's power and resources still
produces garbage and still blames it on everything other than QA. My
company makes software and we could never produce such buggy software
and still stay in business.

There's also a lack of true innovation in Microsoft products. I won't
go into details here, but exactly what was the reason for producing
IE7? The tabs? They're just catching up with Firefox and what good
are tabs when the browser crashes? And when did security become a
feature and not a requirement? The 7th version of a Microsoft product
should be bullet proof. IE7 is garbage compared to Firefox.

*I use multiple browser windows and IE7 Pro seemed to ignore the other
windows--which is stupid because when IE7 crashes all tabs and all
browser windows crash.

 

[Charles W Davis]

But no one is forced to use the IE7 Pro Add on. Stay with the vanilla
edition.

Wrong. some installs just load IEx to view the "help" & other stuff; some
software app also just load IEx. One is definitely "forced" to use IEx
& not delete it.

No one is forced to buy or use IE7. If Firefox or Coyote II is so great
then
use it. So be it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

There is noPro[essional] version of Internet Explorer 7. There is
justIE7. Perhaps what you really meant to rant on about was IE7Pro.

While it may be true that the OP was confused; he was right in that
both IE7 and IE7 Pro sucks. Both are trying to do too much without
covering the basics.

The session savers for FireFox require little or no set up, and they
work really well and provide a history of sessions. IE7 Pro requires
that you select tab session restore (which didn't work*) and offers 5
or 6 other "features" which I personally didn't need. I just really
needed a session saver (and recover) because IE7 always crashes.
(Well, why use IE7 at all?)

What makes it worse is some sites still don't work with Firefox,
ironically, they don't fully work with IE7 either. It really is
astonishing that Microsoft, with all it's power and resources still
produces garbage and still blames it on everything other than QA. My
company makes software and we could never produce such buggy software
and still stay in business.

There's also a lack of true innovation in Microsoft products. I won't
go into details here, but exactly what was the reason for producing
IE7? The tabs? They're just catching up with Firefox and what good
are tabs when the browser crashes? And when did security become a
feature and not a requirement? The 7th version of a Microsoft product
should be bullet proof. IE7 is garbage compared to Firefox.

*I use multiple browser windows and IE7 Pro seemed to ignore the other
windows--which is stupid because when IE7 crashes all tabs and all
browser windows crash.