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How would YOU design vista and media player?

 

[davegb]

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I'd start by putting "Print" in the same place, or somewhere very like
it. I haven't had the chance to work with Vista yet, but a friend told
me it took her 10 min to find "Print". Is that progress?

 

[Unknown]

The severe critics of an operating system ( or any program for that matter )
are always from those that have never done any programming.

How would YOU design vista and media player?"Vern Linard"





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I'd start by putting "Print" in the same place, or somewhere very like
it. I haven't had the chance to work with Vista yet, but a friend told
me it took her 10 min to find "Print". Is that progress?

 

[Shenan Stanley]

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the interface was made by idiots, the same idiots that designed
vista and windows media player

How would YOU design vista and media player?

I'd start by putting "Print" in the same place, or somewhere very
like it. I haven't had the chance to work with Vista yet, but a friend
told me it took her 10 min to find "Print". Is that progress?

"Print"... In Windows Vista? In Windows Media Player?
Unsure what you mean if you did not make a mistake or your friend does not
know the difference between Office and Windows. ;-)

Or are you talking about Microsoft Office 2007? I know many people who have
had trouble with that. They sometimes feel a little sheepish when you show
them the built in help and type in "how do I print"... ;-) I have started -
when giving people Office 2007 for the first time - showing them the ribbon,
the help and telling them, "If you cannot find it - click on the big ball in
the top left corner..."

Click the Microsoft Office Button, and then click Print.
*Important* If you don't see the Microsoft Office Button,
click Print on the File menu.
Keyboard shortcut: To display the Print dialog box, press
CTRL+P.

And an inability to locate something in a new product - that should not be
equated to a lack of progress. There are people out there, by now, that
have ONLY used Office 2007. If you were to give them Office 2003 - they
would have a difficult time finding things.

In addition - might I suggest these:

- The new look in familiar programs of the 2007 Microsoft Office system
http://office.microsoft.com/training/training.aspx?AssetID=RC101482291033

- Wondering where your favorite Office 2003 commands are located in the new
2007 Office system interface?
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/HA102295841033.aspx?pid=CL100633201033

 

[davegb]

The severe critics of an operating system ( or any program for that matter)

I've done just enough programming to know how difficult it can be, and
to know that the number one mistake made in most programming efforts
is not involving end users early and often. Frequently, programmers
have no idea how the program is used by the actual end users, who are
considered far too ignorant to have an intelligent opinion about the
user interface. This goes all the way back to Brooks (Mythical
Manmonth) and is supported by numerous other experts in the software
development field (i.e., Stephen Campbell, et. al.) End users have
just as much right to criticize software as developers, because we
have to use what they produce. This is akin to saying I can't complain
about my car, with the gear shift in the back seat, because I don't
design cars!

 

[davegb]

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"Print"... In Windows Vista?  In Windows Media Player?
Unsure what you mean if you did not make a mistake or your friend does not
know the difference between Office and Windows. ;-)

In an app in Windoze Vista, I assume. I wasn't there at the time. You
can make fun of an "average" user, but they're a lot of them out there
and they don't need M$ screwing them around just to make another few
billion.

Or are you talking about Microsoft Office 2007?  I know many people who have
had trouble with that.  They sometimes feel a little sheepish when you show
them the built in help and type in "how do I print"... ;-)  I have started -
when giving people Office 2007 for the first time - showing them the ribbon,
the help and telling them, "If you cannot find it - click on the big ball in
the top left corner..."

Thanks for making my point. Why, at this point in the development of
software, would an experienced Windoze user have to go to the Help
screen to find out how to print? Ridiculous! Of course, we're all
sheepish when someone shows us something that's apparently easy to do
when they know how to do it.

Click the Microsoft Office Button, and then click Print.
  *Important* If you don't see the Microsoft Office Button,
    click Print on the File menu.
   Keyboard shortcut: To display the Print dialog box, press
    CTRL+P.

And an inability to locate something in a new product - that should not be
equated to a lack of progress.  There are people out there, by now, that
have ONLY used Office 2007.  If you were to give them Office 2003 - they
would have a difficult time finding things.

In addition - might I suggest these:

- The new look in familiar programs of the 2007 Microsoft Office system
 http://office.microsoft.com/training/training.aspx?AssetID=RC10148229....

- Wondering where your favorite Office 2003 commands are located in the new
2007 Office system interface?
 http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/HA102295841033.aspx?pid=CL....

If there is significant ease of use improvement by changing an
established software procedure, then, by all means, go ahead. But when
a couple of hundred million users can't figure out how to do something
they've know how to do for years so that a couple of million new users
can find it easier, that's going backward. Developers SHOULD consider
which is the greater good, rather than which will justify them selling
yet another upgrade to line their pockets, without offering any real
advantaqe over the old system. Most of the changes I've seen in the
last few versions of Windoze and Orifice have been moving things
around to new places where they're no easier or harder to find for a
newbie, but most definitely harder to find for the experienced users.
That is not progress, that's marketing.

 

[throwitout]

In an app in Windoze Vista, I assume. I wasn't there at the time. You
can make fun of an "average" user, but they're a lot of them out there
and they don't need M$ screwing them around just to make another few
billion.

Vista doesn't rearrange the function location in existing apps.

Thanks for making my point. Why, at this point in the development of
software, would an experienced Windoze user have to go to the Help
screen to find out how to print? Ridiculous! Of course, we're all
sheepish when someone shows us something that's apparently easy to do
when they know how to do it.

If there is significant ease of use improvement by changing an
established software procedure, then, by all means, go ahead. But when
a couple of hundred million users can't figure out how to do something
they've know how to do for years so that a couple of million new users
can find it easier, that's going backward. Developers SHOULD consider
which is the greater good, rather than which will justify them selling
yet another upgrade to line their pockets, without offering any real
advantaqe over the old system. Most of the changes I've seen in the
last few versions of Windoze and Orifice have been moving things
around to new places where they're no easier or harder to find for a
newbie, but most definitely harder to find for the experienced users.
That is not progress, that's marketing.

I've never used the new office extensively, but many experienced users
I've talked to love the new layout once they get their head around it.
Once they know where everything is they find it easier to navigate
around than the old interface, so it's not just new users they are
catering to. Microsoft did leave the existing keyboard shortcuts which
experienced users are used to using. Yes it's a bit of a shock when
Microsoft moved "Print" after it's been at the same place in Word for
over a decade, but maybe it actually is better.

Personally I'm sticking with Office 2003 for now because I don't see
any major must have features in 2007 worth the money, plus I don't
like the performance hit. With the free 2003<-->2007 converters my
office isn't obsolete yet so I'm not worrying too much about it.

 

[Unknown]

Have you ever written a complex program that satisfied 100% of the users?
Get real!

The severe critics of an operating system ( or any program for that
matter )
are always from those that have never done any programming."davegb"

I've done just enough programming to know how difficult it can be, and
to know that the number one mistake made in most programming efforts
is not involving end users early and often. Frequently, programmers
have no idea how the program is used by the actual end users, who are
considered far too ignorant to have an intelligent opinion about the
user interface. This goes all the way back to Brooks (Mythical
Manmonth) and is supported by numerous other experts in the software
development field (i.e., Stephen Campbell, et. al.) End users have
just as much right to criticize software as developers, because we
have to use what they produce. This is akin to saying I can't complain
about my car, with the gear shift in the back seat, because I don't
design cars!