IE font size affects other programs

[Jo-Anne]

I use WinXP and IE8 (formerly IE7) on my 3.5 year old Dell laptop. I need
large fonts and set up the computer to display them. I also set up the
Accessibility option in IE to ignore font sizes on webpages, and I generally
use the Medium font with 150% zoom.

For all the time I've had this computer, the System Restore screen would not
show the whole screen at once. I'd have to use the slide bar to get to the
bottom to click on Next and Close. Changing the screen resolution didn't
help. Also, when I'd try to update CCleaner, I couldn't see the box for
unchecking the Google Toolbar, and there was no slide bar. The only way I
could update this program without getting that toolbar was to go to the
Piriform website and download the Slim version of the updater.

Today, by accident, I discovered a fix for both programs.

Sometimes I set the IE font to Smallest because a particular webpage doesn't
display everything when I use the Medium font. I did that last night and
forgot to change it back. I exited IE and closed down the computer. Today,
when I turned it back on, I needed to create a System Restore point. The
screen was all there; no slidebar and no need for one. I then downloaded the
latest version of the CCleaner installer, and the box to uncheck the Google
Toolbar was there.

To make sure the font was indeed the issue, I changed it back to Medium in
IE, exited IE, and opened System Restore. I was back to having only a
partial screen and a slide bar.

Any idea why the IE font size should affect other programs?

Thank you!

Jo-Anne

 

[Paul]

I use WinXP and IE8 (formerly IE7) on my 3.5 year old Dell laptop. I need
large fonts and set up the computer to display them. I also set up the
Accessibility option in IE to ignore font sizes on webpages, and I generally
use the Medium font with 150% zoom.

For all the time I've had this computer, the System Restore screen would not
show the whole screen at once. I'd have to use the slide bar to get to the
bottom to click on Next and Close. Changing the screen resolution didn't
help. Also, when I'd try to update CCleaner, I couldn't see the box for
unchecking the Google Toolbar, and there was no slide bar. The only way I
could update this program without getting that toolbar was to go to the
Piriform website and download the Slim version of the updater.

Today, by accident, I discovered a fix for both programs.

Sometimes I set the IE font to Smallest because a particular webpage doesn't
display everything when I use the Medium font. I did that last night and
forgot to change it back. I exited IE and closed down the computer. Today,
when I turned it back on, I needed to create a System Restore point. The
screen was all there; no slidebar and no need for one. I then downloaded the
latest version of the CCleaner installer, and the box to uncheck the Google
Toolbar was there.

To make sure the font was indeed the issue, I changed it back to Medium in
IE, exited IE, and opened System Restore. I was back to having only a
partial screen and a slide bar.

Any idea why the IE font size should affect other programs?

Thank you!

Jo-Anne

Some of the dialogs you see in Windows, are implemented by an
HTML engine. And as a result, can inherit things from the
browser side of the universe. As an example, using a search
engine, look for references to iehtml.dll .

"Removing IE may also break local applications that rely on
the IEHTML.DLL file for rendering. Removing IE will also break
any Windows Help files that use "HTML Help" (CHM).
"

HTH,
Paul

 

[Jo-Anne]

Some of the dialogs you see in Windows, are implemented by an
HTML engine. And as a result, can inherit things from the
browser side of the universe. As an example, using a search
engine, look for references to iehtml.dll .

"Removing IE may also break local applications that rely on
the IEHTML.DLL file for rendering. Removing IE will also break
any Windows Help files that use "HTML Help" (CHM).
"

HTH,
Paul

Thank you, Paul! I knew that Outlook Express's printing size was tied to
Internet Explorer, but I had no idea other programs were affected by IE. I
wonder what would happen if I switched to Firefox...

Jo-Anne

 

[Paul]

Thank you, Paul! I knew that Outlook Express's printing size was tied to
Internet Explorer, but I had no idea other programs were affected by IE. I
wonder what would happen if I switched to Firefox...

Jo-Anne

Internet Explorer would consist of things that would be safe to remove,
and things that would break other pieces of software if they were removed.
IEHTML.dll is an example of something that should stick around.

If you use Firefox, that isn't going to change the fact that dialogs or
CHM help files are still going to want to use IEHTML.dll. And inherit
some of the settings used at some point, by IE.

I'm not a big fan of this style of design, and what you're seeing,
is exactly the reason why. Users wasting their time, trying to figure
out a "cause and effect" for behaviors on their computer.

Paul

 

[Jo-Anne]

Internet Explorer would consist of things that would be safe to remove,
and things that would break other pieces of software if they were removed.
IEHTML.dll is an example of something that should stick around.

If you use Firefox, that isn't going to change the fact that dialogs or
CHM help files are still going to want to use IEHTML.dll. And inherit
some of the settings used at some point, by IE.

I'm not a big fan of this style of design, and what you're seeing,
is exactly the reason why. Users wasting their time, trying to figure
out a "cause and effect" for behaviors on their computer.

Paul

Thank you again, Paul! I kinda thought it wouldn't matter if I switched
browsers. I gather that Internet Explorer is always there, no matter what
you do.

Jo-Anne

 

[dadiOH]

Thank you again, Paul! I kinda thought it wouldn't matter if I
switched browsers. I gather that Internet Explorer is always there,
no matter what you do.

Jo-Anne

Yeah. Along with death and taxes.

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[Jo-Anne]

In Windows 9x, it was possible to remove IE and still access CHM help
files: I think you had to keep two files. IEradicator (from the 98lite
people), IIRR, had the option to retain CHM file compatibility. I don't
know how this translates to XP.Indeed; I think my main objection to IE _is_ the extent of its integration
into the OS. As a browser, it (the later versions anyway) is on a par with
the alternatives.

Thank you again, Paul! I kinda thought it wouldn't matter if I switched
browsers. I gather that Internet Explorer is always there, no matter what
you do.

Yes, it is rather tangles up with the OS. (I don't know if there's a
similar tool to IEradicator for XP.) But you don't have to _use_ it. IMO,
Firefox - despite recent changes in their philosophy, about which others
are concerned - is still pretty usable (especially with a good selection
of third-party plugins - but even without: they mostly do things like
block ad.s and give you better control of flash); the main advantage (to
me), which of course applies to any of the others too, is that if you make
changes in it, they won't pop up unexpectedly elsewhere. [Of course,
people's MMV: some people perhaps _want_ such changes to be universal, i.
e. not have to make them in more than one place.]

Another compromise - which has its advantages - is to have and use both;
there are a _few_ websites that only work, or only work _properly_, in IE.
(I presume there are some that _won't_ work in IE too; since I mainly use
Firefox [and occasionally StreamTrans], I don't know about them.)

Jo-Anne

John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

<Squawk> Pieces of eight!
<Squawk> Pieces of eight!
<Squawk> Pieces of nine!
<SYSTEM HALTED: parroty error!>

Thank you, John! I've been meaning to try Firefox for a while. I'll do that
now. As you suggested, though, I'll probably have to leave IE with settings
that will work best for my other programs.

Does anyone know whether Firefox allows the same sort of override of webpage
fonts that IE does? I wouldn't be able to read some webpages if I couldn't
enlarge the fonts.

Jo-Anne

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Thank you, John! I've been meaning to try Firefox for a while. I'll do that
now. As you suggested, though, I'll probably have to leave IE with settings
that will work best for my other programs.

Does anyone know whether Firefox allows the same sort of override of webpage
fonts that IE does? I wouldn't be able to read some webpages if I couldn't
enlarge the fonts.

Can I add another browser for you to try? I think Maxthon is
considerably better than either IE or Firefox. And it's also free. You
can download it at http://www.maxthon.com/mx3/

And yes, it lets you easily change the font size.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

 

[Paul]

Thank you, John! I've been meaning to try Firefox for a while. I'll do that
now. As you suggested, though, I'll probably have to leave IE with settings
that will work best for my other programs.

Does anyone know whether Firefox allows the same sort of override of webpage
fonts that IE does? I wouldn't be able to read some webpages if I couldn't
enlarge the fonts.

Jo-Anne

Try holding down the control key, then twirl your scroll wheel, and
you can zoom in and out. On some platforms, the response to this
input is sluggish, so you have to wait. On Windows it works well.

Magnification setting is memorized on a per-website basis.

There would also be a font setting in the Preferences somewhere, but
I expect a web site can override your choice if they want. A browser
font setting would apply, if the web site allows the "default" font
choice to work. So if I were to write my own HTML code and run my
own web server, chances are, the default font would be the one used.
But for any sophisticated sites, try the control-scrollwheel instead.
It's faster, if it works. (Again, it's possible for sites to
fiddle with your magnify capability - some sites even "reset" the
magnify setting, the next time you visit, which is annoying to say
the least. That doesn't seem to happen consistently, either.)

"You're in control... unless you're not in control." That's the web for you.

Paul

 

[Jo-Anne]

Can I add another browser for you to try? I think Maxthon is
considerably better than either IE or Firefox. And it's also free. You
can download it at http://www.maxthon.com/mx3/

And yes, it lets you easily change the font size.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

Thank you, Ken! I'll try it.

Jo-Anne

 

[Jo-Anne]

Try holding down the control key, then twirl your scroll wheel, and
you can zoom in and out. On some platforms, the response to this
input is sluggish, so you have to wait. On Windows it works well.

Magnification setting is memorized on a per-website basis.

There would also be a font setting in the Preferences somewhere, but
I expect a web site can override your choice if they want. A browser
font setting would apply, if the web site allows the "default" font
choice to work. So if I were to write my own HTML code and run my
own web server, chances are, the default font would be the one used.
But for any sophisticated sites, try the control-scrollwheel instead.
It's faster, if it works. (Again, it's possible for sites to
fiddle with your magnify capability - some sites even "reset" the
magnify setting, the next time you visit, which is annoying to say
the least. That doesn't seem to happen consistently, either.)

"You're in control... unless you're not in control." That's the web for
you.

Paul

Thank you, Paul! Font sizing works well in Internet Explorer except for a
few websites. To be able to change font size easily, I used Tools | Internet
Options | Accessibility [under Appearance] | Ignore font sizes specified on
webpages. I'm hoping other browsers do similar things. I use zoom too when
needed, but just having a larger font size helps me a lot.

Jo-Anne

 

[Jeff Strickland]

news:[email protected]... []
Internet Explorer would consist of things that would be safe to remove,
and things that would break other pieces of software if they were
removed.
IEHTML.dll is an example of something that should stick around.

If you use Firefox, that isn't going to change the fact that dialogs or
CHM help files are still going to want to use IEHTML.dll. And inherit
some of the settings used at some point, by IE.

In Windows 9x, it was possible to remove IE and still access CHM help
files: I think you had to keep two files. IEradicator (from the 98lite
people), IIRR, had the option to retain CHM file compatibility. I don't
know how this translates to XP.

I'm not a big fan of this style of design, and what you're seeing,
is exactly the reason why. Users wasting their time, trying to figure
out a "cause and effect" for behaviors on their computer.

Indeed; I think my main objection to IE _is_ the extent of its
integration into the OS. As a browser, it (the later versions anyway) is
on a par with the alternatives.

Paul


Thank you again, Paul! I kinda thought it wouldn't matter if I switched
browsers. I gather that Internet Explorer is always there, no matter what
you do.

Yes, it is rather tangles up with the OS. (I don't know if there's a
similar tool to IEradicator for XP.) But you don't have to _use_ it. IMO,
Firefox - despite recent changes in their philosophy, about which others
are concerned - is still pretty usable (especially with a good selection
of third-party plugins - but even without: they mostly do things like
block ad.s and give you better control of flash); the main advantage (to
me), which of course applies to any of the others too, is that if you
make changes in it, they won't pop up unexpectedly elsewhere. [Of course,
people's MMV: some people perhaps _want_ such changes to be universal, i.
e. not have to make them in more than one place.]

Another compromise - which has its advantages - is to have and use both;
there are a _few_ websites that only work, or only work _properly_, in
IE. (I presume there are some that _won't_ work in IE too; since I mainly
use Firefox [and occasionally StreamTrans], I don't know about them.)

Jo-Anne

John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985
MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

<Squawk> Pieces of eight!
<Squawk> Pieces of eight!
<Squawk> Pieces of nine!
<SYSTEM HALTED: parroty error!>

Thank you, John! I've been meaning to try Firefox for a while. I'll do
that now. As you suggested, though, I'll probably have to leave IE with
settings that will work best for my other programs.

Does anyone know whether Firefox allows the same sort of override of
webpage fonts that IE does? I wouldn't be able to read some webpages if I
couldn't enlarge the fonts.

Jo-Anne

Windows is an Internet Explorer experience. You can use a different browser
if you want -- FireFox for example -- but Windows is still driven by
Internet Explorer. This is why settings of Internet Explorer migrate into
your Windows experience.

If you are using the horizontal scroll bar to get to stuff on the right hand
side of the page, then you have 1.) set the sceen resolution too low (images
are very large and do not fit the space on the screen) or 2.) you have set
your window to Normal, and then you make the window larger than the screen.
You fix 2.) by selecting Maximize and then setting the Zoom to 100%.

 

[Jo-Anne]

Try holding down the control key, then twirl your scroll wheel, and
you can zoom in and out. On some platforms, the response to this
input is sluggish, so you have to wait. On Windows it works well.

Ctrl-+ and ctrl-- will also zoom, and you can choose (it's under the View
menu) whether it's only the text that zooms.

There's also a way of making both use the same set of favourites (it's
probably a plugin - I'll have to ask my blind friend how she does it).

Magnification setting is memorized on a per-website basis.

I didn't know that - handy to know.

There would also be a font setting in the Preferences somewhere, but
I expect a web site can override your choice if they want. A browser
font setting would apply, if the web site allows the "default" font
choice to work. So if I were to write my own HTML code and run my
own web server, chances are, the default font would be the one used.

(In Firefox) Tools, Options, Content - you can set your choice of font
size and colour there, and under Advanced, you can untick Allow pages to
choose their own fonts.
[]

"You're in control... unless you're not in control." That's the web for
you.

Paul

(-:

Thank you, John! I'll check out both Firefox and Maxthon.

Jo-Anne

 

[Jo-Anne]

In message <[email protected]>, Jo-Anne <[email protected]>
writes:
[]
Internet Explorer would consist of things that would be safe to
remove,
and things that would break other pieces of software if they were
removed.
IEHTML.dll is an example of something that should stick around.

If you use Firefox, that isn't going to change the fact that dialogs
or
CHM help files are still going to want to use IEHTML.dll. And inherit
some of the settings used at some point, by IE.

In Windows 9x, it was possible to remove IE and still access CHM help
files: I think you had to keep two files. IEradicator (from the 98lite
people), IIRR, had the option to retain CHM file compatibility. I don't
know how this translates to XP.

I'm not a big fan of this style of design, and what you're seeing,
is exactly the reason why. Users wasting their time, trying to figure
out a "cause and effect" for behaviors on their computer.

Indeed; I think my main objection to IE _is_ the extent of its
integration into the OS. As a browser, it (the later versions anyway) is
on a par with the alternatives.

Paul


Thank you again, Paul! I kinda thought it wouldn't matter if I switched
browsers. I gather that Internet Explorer is always there, no matter
what
you do.

Yes, it is rather tangles up with the OS. (I don't know if there's a
similar tool to IEradicator for XP.) But you don't have to _use_ it.
IMO, Firefox - despite recent changes in their philosophy, about which
others are concerned - is still pretty usable (especially with a good
selection of third-party plugins - but even without: they mostly do
things like block ad.s and give you better control of flash); the main
advantage (to me), which of course applies to any of the others too, is
that if you make changes in it, they won't pop up unexpectedly
elsewhere. [Of course, people's MMV: some people perhaps _want_ such
changes to be universal, i. e. not have to make them in more than one
place.]

Another compromise - which has its advantages - is to have and use both;
there are a _few_ websites that only work, or only work _properly_, in
IE. (I presume there are some that _won't_ work in IE too; since I
mainly use Firefox [and occasionally StreamTrans], I don't know about
them.)

Jo-Anne


John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985
MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

<Squawk> Pieces of eight!
<Squawk> Pieces of eight!
<Squawk> Pieces of nine!
<SYSTEM HALTED: parroty error!>

Thank you, John! I've been meaning to try Firefox for a while. I'll do
that now. As you suggested, though, I'll probably have to leave IE with
settings that will work best for my other programs.

Does anyone know whether Firefox allows the same sort of override of
webpage fonts that IE does? I wouldn't be able to read some webpages if I
couldn't enlarge the fonts.

Jo-Anne

Windows is an Internet Explorer experience. You can use a different
browser if you want -- FireFox for example -- but Windows is still driven
by Internet Explorer. This is why settings of Internet Explorer migrate
into your Windows experience.

If you are using the horizontal scroll bar to get to stuff on the right
hand side of the page, then you have 1.) set the sceen resolution too low
(images are very large and do not fit the space on the screen) or 2.) you
have set your window to Normal, and then you make the window larger than
the screen. You fix 2.) by selecting Maximize and then setting the Zoom to
100%.

Thank you, Jeff! No, it's the vertical scrollbar that I have to use in
System Restore if I have my font size set at medium in IE8. And in the
CCleaner setup program, there's no scrollbar, and I can't bring the checkbox
into view at all (for unchecking the Google toolbar) unless I reduce the
font size in IE.

Jo-Anne

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Thank you, Ken! I'll try it.

You're welcome. I have just one other thing to add. Be sure to give it
(or anything else you try) enough time when trying it to become
comfortable with it and learn how much you like or dislike the way it
works.

And after you've tried it adequately, please let us know what you
think of it.



Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Try holding down the control key, then twirl your scroll wheel, and
you can zoom in and out.

Yes, and let me add that that's a Windows standard, and works in many
applications, not just browsers.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

 

[Jo-Anne]

You're welcome. I have just one other thing to add. Be sure to give it
(or anything else you try) enough time when trying it to become
comfortable with it and learn how much you like or dislike the way it
works.

And after you've tried it adequately, please let us know what you
think of it.



Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

Will do!

Jo-Anne

 

[Jeff Strickland]

In message <[email protected]>, Jo-Anne <[email protected]>
writes:
[]
Internet Explorer would consist of things that would be safe to
remove,
and things that would break other pieces of software if they were
removed.
IEHTML.dll is an example of something that should stick around.

If you use Firefox, that isn't going to change the fact that dialogs
or
CHM help files are still going to want to use IEHTML.dll. And inherit
some of the settings used at some point, by IE.

In Windows 9x, it was possible to remove IE and still access CHM help
files: I think you had to keep two files. IEradicator (from the 98lite
people), IIRR, had the option to retain CHM file compatibility. I don't
know how this translates to XP.

I'm not a big fan of this style of design, and what you're seeing,
is exactly the reason why. Users wasting their time, trying to figure
out a "cause and effect" for behaviors on their computer.

Indeed; I think my main objection to IE _is_ the extent of its
integration into the OS. As a browser, it (the later versions anyway)
is on a par with the alternatives.

Paul


Thank you again, Paul! I kinda thought it wouldn't matter if I switched
browsers. I gather that Internet Explorer is always there, no matter
what
you do.

Yes, it is rather tangles up with the OS. (I don't know if there's a
similar tool to IEradicator for XP.) But you don't have to _use_ it.
IMO, Firefox - despite recent changes in their philosophy, about which
others are concerned - is still pretty usable (especially with a good
selection of third-party plugins - but even without: they mostly do
things like block ad.s and give you better control of flash); the main
advantage (to me), which of course applies to any of the others too, is
that if you make changes in it, they won't pop up unexpectedly
elsewhere. [Of course, people's MMV: some people perhaps _want_ such
changes to be universal, i. e. not have to make them in more than one
place.]

Another compromise - which has its advantages - is to have and use
both; there are a _few_ websites that only work, or only work
_properly_, in IE. (I presume there are some that _won't_ work in IE
too; since I mainly use Firefox [and occasionally StreamTrans], I don't
know about them.)

Jo-Anne


John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985
MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

<Squawk> Pieces of eight!
<Squawk> Pieces of eight!
<Squawk> Pieces of nine!
<SYSTEM HALTED: parroty error!>


Thank you, John! I've been meaning to try Firefox for a while. I'll do
that now. As you suggested, though, I'll probably have to leave IE with
settings that will work best for my other programs.

Does anyone know whether Firefox allows the same sort of override of
webpage fonts that IE does? I wouldn't be able to read some webpages if
I couldn't enlarge the fonts.

Jo-Anne

Windows is an Internet Explorer experience. You can use a different
browser if you want -- FireFox for example -- but Windows is still driven
by Internet Explorer. This is why settings of Internet Explorer migrate
into your Windows experience.

If you are using the horizontal scroll bar to get to stuff on the right
hand side of the page, then you have 1.) set the sceen resolution too low
(images are very large and do not fit the space on the screen) or 2.) you
have set your window to Normal, and then you make the window larger than
the screen. You fix 2.) by selecting Maximize and then setting the Zoom
to 100%.

Thank you, Jeff! No, it's the vertical scrollbar that I have to use in
System Restore if I have my font size set at medium in IE8. And in the
CCleaner setup program, there's no scrollbar, and I can't bring the
checkbox into view at all (for unchecking the Google toolbar) unless I
reduce the font size in IE.

Jo-Anne

You _could_ set the resolution to a higher setting (smaller image size) when
running CCleaner, then set the resolution back to what you prefer for the
normal days when they come around.

I'm a bit confused why you have to run System Restore so often that you need
a work around that makes the task easier. I cannot remember ever running
System Restore, or CCleaner.

Is CCleaner a DOS-based utility that wants to run at 800x600, or 640x480?
That would make the image on screen huge, and this would force a scroll if
you have a wide-screen monitor. IE has a Zoom Box in the lower right hand
corner of the screen IF you have the Status Bar set to show (Right Click on
any of the menu bars at the top of the screen that is not an icon or other
clicable selection and put a checkmark on Status Bar, then you will see the
Zoom Box appear above the clock in the Tool Tray.) You can change the Zoom
setting with three or four default choices, or select from 16 choices in the
drop down menu, or enter a Custom Zoom. If you want, you can set the screen
resolution to the "proper" setting for your monitor (should be something
like 1440x900 if you have a wide screen of about 20 inches), then set the
zoom in IE so you have a comfortable viewing experience. Setting the Zoom
should not affect CCleaner or System Restore, and will allow these programs
to fit the monitor, and then IE can be zoomed in or out on demand.

I'm not sure what your trouble is, and you seem to be uniquely well adapted
at finding the odd-case in almost everything.

 

[Jo-Anne]

In message <[email protected]>, Jo-Anne <[email protected]>
writes:
[]
Internet Explorer would consist of things that would be safe to
remove,
and things that would break other pieces of software if they were
removed.
IEHTML.dll is an example of something that should stick around.

If you use Firefox, that isn't going to change the fact that dialogs
or
CHM help files are still going to want to use IEHTML.dll. And
inherit
some of the settings used at some point, by IE.

In Windows 9x, it was possible to remove IE and still access CHM help
files: I think you had to keep two files. IEradicator (from the 98lite
people), IIRR, had the option to retain CHM file compatibility. I
don't know how this translates to XP.

I'm not a big fan of this style of design, and what you're seeing,
is exactly the reason why. Users wasting their time, trying to
figure
out a "cause and effect" for behaviors on their computer.

Indeed; I think my main objection to IE _is_ the extent of its
integration into the OS. As a browser, it (the later versions anyway)
is on a par with the alternatives.

Paul


Thank you again, Paul! I kinda thought it wouldn't matter if I
switched
browsers. I gather that Internet Explorer is always there, no matter
what
you do.

Yes, it is rather tangles up with the OS. (I don't know if there's a
similar tool to IEradicator for XP.) But you don't have to _use_ it.
IMO, Firefox - despite recent changes in their philosophy, about which
others are concerned - is still pretty usable (especially with a good
selection of third-party plugins - but even without: they mostly do
things like block ad.s and give you better control of flash); the main
advantage (to me), which of course applies to any of the others too,
is that if you make changes in it, they won't pop up unexpectedly
elsewhere. [Of course, people's MMV: some people perhaps _want_ such
changes to be universal, i. e. not have to make them in more than one
place.]

Another compromise - which has its advantages - is to have and use
both; there are a _few_ websites that only work, or only work
_properly_, in IE. (I presume there are some that _won't_ work in IE
too; since I mainly use Firefox [and occasionally StreamTrans], I
don't know about them.)

Jo-Anne


John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985
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Thank you, John! I've been meaning to try Firefox for a while. I'll do
that now. As you suggested, though, I'll probably have to leave IE with
settings that will work best for my other programs.

Does anyone know whether Firefox allows the same sort of override of
webpage fonts that IE does? I wouldn't be able to read some webpages if
I couldn't enlarge the fonts.

Jo-Anne



Windows is an Internet Explorer experience. You can use a different
browser if you want -- FireFox for example -- but Windows is still
driven by Internet Explorer. This is why settings of Internet Explorer
migrate into your Windows experience.

If you are using the horizontal scroll bar to get to stuff on the right
hand side of the page, then you have 1.) set the sceen resolution too
low (images are very large and do not fit the space on the screen) or
2.) you have set your window to Normal, and then you make the window
larger than the screen. You fix 2.) by selecting Maximize and then
setting the Zoom to 100%.

Thank you, Jeff! No, it's the vertical scrollbar that I have to use in
System Restore if I have my font size set at medium in IE8. And in the
CCleaner setup program, there's no scrollbar, and I can't bring the
checkbox into view at all (for unchecking the Google toolbar) unless I
reduce the font size in IE.

Jo-Anne

You _could_ set the resolution to a higher setting (smaller image size)
when running CCleaner, then set the resolution back to what you prefer for
the normal days when they come around.

I'm a bit confused why you have to run System Restore so often that you
need a work around that makes the task easier. I cannot remember ever
running System Restore, or CCleaner.

Is CCleaner a DOS-based utility that wants to run at 800x600, or 640x480?
That would make the image on screen huge, and this would force a scroll if
you have a wide-screen monitor. IE has a Zoom Box in the lower right hand
corner of the screen IF you have the Status Bar set to show (Right Click
on any of the menu bars at the top of the screen that is not an icon or
other clicable selection and put a checkmark on Status Bar, then you will
see the Zoom Box appear above the clock in the Tool Tray.) You can change
the Zoom setting with three or four default choices, or select from 16
choices in the drop down menu, or enter a Custom Zoom. If you want, you
can set the screen resolution to the "proper" setting for your monitor
(should be something like 1440x900 if you have a wide screen of about 20
inches), then set the zoom in IE so you have a comfortable viewing
experience. Setting the Zoom should not affect CCleaner or System Restore,
and will allow these programs to fit the monitor, and then IE can be
zoomed in or out on demand.

I'm not sure what your trouble is, and you seem to be uniquely well
adapted at finding the odd-case in almost everything.

My screen resolution is 1920 x 1200. CCleaner runs and looks fine at that
resolution; the screen issue is only with the CCleaner Updater. I create a
Restore Point whenever I'm about to download and install new software; I
don't "run" System Restore unless it's essential--as it was when one of the
Microsoft Updates of .NET Framework caused me to lose my internet
connection.

The problem I've encountered with fonts, it seems, is my need to set the
Accessibility option in Internet Explorer, which has affected programs one
wouldn't think would be connected to IE.

If I didn't have odd-case issues, I wouldn't be posting to the newsgroups
for help. I start by Googling for solutions; when I don't find them, I try
here. I thought that was a main purpose of the newsgroups.

Jo-Anne

 

[Jo-Anne]

In message <[email protected]>, Jo-Anne
<[email protected]>
writes:
[]
Internet Explorer would consist of things that would be safe to
remove,
and things that would break other pieces of software if they were
removed.
IEHTML.dll is an example of something that should stick around.

If you use Firefox, that isn't going to change the fact that
dialogs
or
CHM help files are still going to want to use IEHTML.dll. And
inherit
some of the settings used at some point, by IE.

In Windows 9x, it was possible to remove IE and still access CHM
help
files: I think you had to keep two files. IEradicator (from the
98lite
people), IIRR, had the option to retain CHM file compatibility. I
don't know how this translates to XP.

I'm not a big fan of this style of design, and what you're seeing,
is exactly the reason why. Users wasting their time, trying to
figure
out a "cause and effect" for behaviors on their computer.

Indeed; I think my main objection to IE _is_ the extent of its
integration into the OS. As a browser, it (the later versions
anyway)
is on a par with the alternatives.

Paul


Thank you again, Paul! I kinda thought it wouldn't matter if I
switched
browsers. I gather that Internet Explorer is always there, no
matter
what
you do.

Yes, it is rather tangles up with the OS. (I don't know if there's a
similar tool to IEradicator for XP.) But you don't have to _use_ it.
IMO, Firefox - despite recent changes in their philosophy, about
which
others are concerned - is still pretty usable (especially with a
good
selection of third-party plugins - but even without: they mostly do
things like block ad.s and give you better control of flash); the
main
advantage (to me), which of course applies to any of the others too,
is that if you make changes in it, they won't pop up unexpectedly
elsewhere. [Of course, people's MMV: some people perhaps _want_ such
changes to be universal, i. e. not have to make them in more than
one
place.]

Another compromise - which has its advantages - is to have and use
both; there are a _few_ websites that only work, or only work
_properly_, in IE. (I presume there are some that _won't_ work in IE
too; since I mainly use Firefox [and occasionally StreamTrans], I
don't know about them.)

Jo-Anne


John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985
MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

<Squawk> Pieces of eight!
<Squawk> Pieces of eight!
<Squawk> Pieces of nine!
<SYSTEM HALTED: parroty error!>


Thank you, John! I've been meaning to try Firefox for a while. I'll
do
that now. As you suggested, though, I'll probably have to leave IE
with
settings that will work best for my other programs.

Does anyone know whether Firefox allows the same sort of override of
webpage fonts that IE does? I wouldn't be able to read some webpages
if
I couldn't enlarge the fonts.

Jo-Anne



Windows is an Internet Explorer experience. You can use a different
browser if you want -- FireFox for example -- but Windows is still
driven by Internet Explorer. This is why settings of Internet Explorer
migrate into your Windows experience.

If you are using the horizontal scroll bar to get to stuff on the
right
hand side of the page, then you have 1.) set the sceen resolution too
low (images are very large and do not fit the space on the screen) or
2.) you have set your window to Normal, and then you make the window
larger than the screen. You fix 2.) by selecting Maximize and then
setting the Zoom to 100%.



Thank you, Jeff! No, it's the vertical scrollbar that I have to use in
System Restore if I have my font size set at medium in IE8. And in the
CCleaner setup program, there's no scrollbar, and I can't bring the
checkbox into view at all (for unchecking the Google toolbar) unless I
reduce the font size in IE.

Jo-Anne


You _could_ set the resolution to a higher setting (smaller image size)
when running CCleaner, then set the resolution back to what you prefer
for
the normal days when they come around.

I'm a bit confused why you have to run System Restore so often that you
need a work around that makes the task easier. I cannot remember ever
running System Restore, or CCleaner.

Is CCleaner a DOS-based utility that wants to run at 800x600, or
640x480?
That would make the image on screen huge, and this would force a scroll
if
you have a wide-screen monitor. IE has a Zoom Box in the lower right
hand
corner of the screen IF you have the Status Bar set to show (Right Click
on any of the menu bars at the top of the screen that is not an icon or
other clicable selection and put a checkmark on Status Bar, then you
will
see the Zoom Box appear above the clock in the Tool Tray.) You can
change
the Zoom setting with three or four default choices, or select from 16
choices in the drop down menu, or enter a Custom Zoom. If you want, you
can set the screen resolution to the "proper" setting for your monitor
(should be something like 1440x900 if you have a wide screen of about 20
inches), then set the zoom in IE so you have a comfortable viewing
experience. Setting the Zoom should not affect CCleaner or System
Restore,
and will allow these programs to fit the monitor, and then IE can be
zoomed in or out on demand.

I'm not sure what your trouble is, and you seem to be uniquely well
adapted at finding the odd-case in almost everything.

My screen resolution is 1920 x 1200. CCleaner runs and looks fine at that
resolution; the screen issue is only with the CCleaner Updater. I create
a
Restore Point whenever I'm about to download and install new software; I
don't "run" System Restore unless it's essential--as it was when one of
the
Microsoft Updates of .NET Framework caused me to lose my internet
connection.

You can do that, but a much better and cleaner approach (and one I use
fairly often) is to restore a backup image of the system drive after
trying out software. Have you considered doing that, in place of System
Restore? The advantage being - it always works perfectly, since it does
not rely on the existing system to be able to clean up after itself.
System Restore isn't perfect (nor is ERUNT), but restoring a backup image
of your system drive IS. I use Acronis True Image (an older version -
can't speak for the newer ones)

Hi, Bill,

I do also make backup images using Acronis True Image 11 Home (especially
before downloading Patch Tuesday updates), but I've been afraid to try
restoring from them unless it becomes necessary. I know System Restore isn't
perfect, but it seems to work most of the time and is very quick. I figure
if it screws things up, then I can go to the backup image. Acronis also
includes a program called Try&Decide that, in theory, rolls back system
changes. I heard some bad things about it early on so never tried it.

Jo-Anne