I think I'll stop this discussion...

[Henk de Jong]

The whole discussion on the rtdos' webring, faq and the
definition of 'freeware' is more and more growing to a 'yes-or-
no-game', which can go on for ever.....

I think that stopping that discussion is the best thing to do.

But there are a few things I have learned in the past days in
this group:
- the majority in this group is about 5 or 6 members. All the
others can be left out, because they are not the 'majority', and
have nothing to say in here;
- freeware is everything you can get for free, and shareware
doesn't excist from now on, because it has become freeware
(because shareware is in most cases nagware or time-limited
software, and according the new proposed faq, these kinds of
software is freeware). Also demoware, adware and CD-ware have
become freeware.
- besides a small group of people who reflect the views of some
members, others are not welcome in this group. Questions that
those people ask are responded by other questions, and not by
answers;
- between the lines I noticed that some people like the *old*
bunch of regulars to leave. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'll go back to <lurkmode>.

With kind regards,

 

[Peter Seiler]

Henk de Jong - 31.10.2003 00:28 :

The whole discussion on the rtdos' webring, faq and the
definition of 'freeware' is more and more growing to a 'yes-or-
no-game', which can go on for ever.....

I think that stopping that discussion is the best thing to do.

But there are a few things I have learned in the past days in
this group:
- the majority in this group is about 5 or 6 members. All the
others can be left out, because they are not the 'majority', and
have nothing to say in here;
- freeware is everything you can get for free, and shareware
doesn't excist from now on, because it has become freeware
(because shareware is in most cases nagware or time-limited
software, and according the new proposed faq, these kinds of
software is freeware). Also demoware, adware and CD-ware have
become freeware.
- besides a small group of people who reflect the views of some
members, others are not welcome in this group. Questions that
those people ask are responded by other questions, and not by
answers;
- between the lines I noticed that some people like the *old*
bunch of regulars to leave. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'll go back to <lurkmode>.

With kind regards,

full d'accord with you. This NG is more and more unreadable :-(

 

[John Corliss]

The whole discussion on the rtdos' webring, faq and the
definition of 'freeware' is more and more growing to a 'yes-or-
no-game', which can go on for ever.....

I think that stopping that discussion is the best thing to do.

But there are a few things I have learned in the past days in
this group:
- the majority in this group is about 5 or 6 members. All the
others can be left out, because they are not the 'majority', and
have nothing to say in here;
- freeware is everything you can get for free, and shareware
doesn't excist from now on, because it has become freeware
(because shareware is in most cases nagware or time-limited
software, and according the new proposed faq, these kinds of
software is freeware). Also demoware, adware and CD-ware have
become freeware.
- besides a small group of people who reflect the views of some
members, others are not welcome in this group. Questions that
those people ask are responded by other questions, and not by
answers;
- between the lines I noticed that some people like the *old*
bunch of regulars to leave. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'll go back to <lurkmode>.

With kind regards,

Henk,
Obviously, it's time for a moderated freeware group to be started.
Wish I had the time to do it.
This group is so rife with trolls and idiots (and man, not just a
few of either) that it no longer is functional. Guess it's always been
inevitable that it would turn out this way.

 

[Thip]

| The whole discussion on the rtdos' webring, faq and the
| definition of 'freeware' is more and more growing to a 'yes-or-
| no-game', which can go on for ever.....
|
| I think that stopping that discussion is the best thing to do.

At last! A voice of reason.

| - the majority in this group is about 5 or 6 members. All the
| others can be left out, because they are not the 'majority', and
| have nothing to say in here;

I figured that out two years ago.

| - besides a small group of people who reflect the views of some
| members, others are not welcome in this group. Questions that
| those people ask are responded by other questions, and not by
| answers;

I figured that out, too. I used to be fairly active in here but got sick of
the oh-so-superior, snide attitude of some.

| - between the lines I noticed that some people like the *old*
| bunch of regulars to leave. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I will correct you on that one. It's one of the "old" regulars (who is
still here and shall remain nameless) who finally added the straw that broke
the camel's back. I never flamed and I tried very hard to be polite, but
that wasn't good enough.

| I'll go back to <lurkmode>.

Me too.

|
| With kind regards,
| --
| Henk de Jong
| The Netherlands

I really miss your weekly freeware updates!!!!

 

[Duddits]

I'll go back to <lurkmode>.

I've been in semi-lurk mode for over a year for similar reasons. It's the
same 'ol trolls and the same 'ol a-hole(s) that have been here for ~5
years. I've decided to permanently kill-file above offenders and any
others who meet the criteria.

life is too short

Dud

 

[Boomer]

The whole discussion on the rtdos' webring, faq and the
definition of 'freeware' is more and more growing to a 'yes-or-
no-game', which can go on for ever.....

I think that stopping that discussion is the best thing to do.

[snip]

I'll go back to <lurkmode>.
Agreed.

With kind regards,

Regards

 

[Exiddor]

The whole discussion on the rtdos' webring, faq and the
definition of 'freeware' is more and more growing to a 'yes-or-
no-game', which can go on for ever.....

I think that stopping that discussion is the best thing to do.

My solution works very well for me - I've killfiled just three names and the
garbage has disappeared like magic. I actually have these same names killfiled
globally and this has stopped a lot of garbage in other groups as well.

 

[rtdos]

Henk,
Obviously, it's time for a moderated freeware group to be started.
Wish I had the time to do it.
This group is so rife with trolls and idiots (and man, not just a
few of either) that it no longer is functional. Guess it's always been
inevitable that it would turn out this way.

With YOU as moderator I suppose ?

 

[Aaron]

The whole discussion on the rtdos' webring, faq and the
definition of 'freeware' is more and more growing to a 'yes-or-
no-game', which can go on for ever.....

I think that stopping that discussion is the best thing to do.

You could have stopped it , without posting yet another thread you know

But there are a few things I have learned in the past days in
this group:
- the majority in this group is about 5 or 6 members. All the
others can be left out, because they are not the 'majority', and
have nothing to say in here;

The people who only matter are those who participate in meta-threads
about "what is freeware" and vote in pricelessware. Or at least people
(not me) feel the need to define it this way, otherwise the idea of a
concensus is impossible since there are lurkers, people who just don't
give a damn until they are directly involved.

- freeware is everything you can get for free, and shareware
doesn't excist from now on, because it has become freeware
(because shareware is in most cases nagware or time-limited
software, and according the new proposed faq, these kinds of
software is freeware). Also demoware, adware and CD-ware have
become freeware.
Strawman

- besides a small group of people who reflect the views of some
members, others are not welcome in this group. Questions that
those people ask are responded by other questions, and not by
answers;

That happens to us all.

- between the lines I noticed that some people like the *old*
bunch of regulars to leave. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, I don't know about this. But I do know that a certain regular has
definitely made himself totally irrelevant by flying off the handle and
acting like a kid.

I have nothing against the rest of "them" but no offence, with certain
very limited exceptions, I wouldn't even notice if they were gone.Not
that I particularly want them gone.


Let's be honest here, being a regular of alt.comp.freeware doesn't mean
much. Most of them are regular posters nothing more. I certainly don't
think such people know more about freeware than anyone else or have
better computer skills than an average usenet posters, or if their
recommendations are always better than that of anyone's else etc.



Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Tiger]

I have nothing against the rest of "them" but no offence, with
certain very limited exceptions, I wouldn't even notice if they
were gone.Not that I particularly want them gone.

LOL.

 

[Aaron]

24.25.9.41:

LOL.
Plonk.

Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Blinky the Shark]

The people who only matter are those who participate in meta-threads
about "what is freeware" and vote in pricelessware. Or at least people
(not me) feel the need to define it this way, otherwise the idea of a
concensus is impossible since there are lurkers, people who just don't
give a damn until they are directly involved.

So, then, in a democracy, because some people don't vote, there should
be no elections.

 

[El Gee]

<snip>

Hmmm, I am trying to figure out where I stand in this. Iam listed on
the ACF site, but it sounds like you only consider 5-6 people to be
regulars. I lurk here every day, but do not post all that often, since
my thoughts are very similar to others in this group (with some
exceptions).

--
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
El Gee

Did you hear the one about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac?
He would stay up late every night and wonder if there was a dog.
Remove yourhat to reply ... but it
may take a while. Best to go to www (dot) mistergeek (dot) com and
reply from there.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

[Henk de Jong]

<snip>

Hmmm, I am trying to figure out where I stand in this. Iam
listed on the ACF site, but it sounds like you only consider
5-6 people to be regulars. I lurk here every day, but do not
post all that often, since my thoughts are very similar to
others in this group (with some exceptions).

<lurkmode off>

That's not what I had in mind. I tried to translate the term
'majority' to the vision of a few folks here in this group. This
means that some members *think* that, when 5 or 6 other members
agree with their ideas, they are *the majority* in this group.
That all others, and that are usually more than 5 or 6 members
(among them a lot of regulars in this group) disagree with those
ideas, their opinions don't count, because they are not the so
called 'majority'.

Based on what you contributed to this 'matter' I think you also
don't belong to the so called 'majority', but that you belong to
the "REAL MAJORITY" (and that is more than 5 or 6 members of this
group).

Sorry that I used capitals when writing this, but I'm really
pissed off, that a few folks in here try to put the world upside
down, and tell me over and over that when some folks have some
sort of an idea, they suddenly appear to be the 'majority' in
here, and that all other opinions (and that are far more than the
5 or 6 I already mentioned) simply don't count, and they simply
don't want to hear.

I already said a couple of times that I think that a *good*
webring for (real) freeware is a good idea. Having said this a
number of times I hoped that I could offer an opening to discuss
the webring in a proper way. The only thing I asked until now is
that, when the webring carries the name of ACF, the sites
mentioned in this webring comply to the FAQ of this group. People
visiting this webring and who are unfamiliar with the term of
'freeware', might think that this webring is carried by ACF, and
under the current conditions that's not the case.

I don't want to go that far that we should boycott this idea (for
now), but I hope that some people allow themselves to discuss
this matter in a proper way. When hope is gone, all is gone......

<lurkmode on>

With kind regards,

 

[Aaron]

So, then, in a democracy, because some people don't vote, there should
be no elections.

As always quick with the one-liners, but with nothing useful to say.
Believe it or not, I don't disagree though. If you want to define a
concensus you need to do it this way. That was my point, whether it will
stop yet another such fight in the future is questionable.

Oh BTW

*plonk* (I hope I got the sound effects right, I messed up with the
earlier one, but then again I don't do it often, the public plonking I
mean, not the kill filing)


Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Blinky the Shark]

As always quick with the one-liners, but with nothing useful to say.

That was useful, if you're not reading and thinking impaired.

Oh, but I forgot. You are.

 

[|3iff //ullins' flonk-a-roonie]

fizzle pop 30 Oct 2003 23:28:01 GMT, whir sput ssssput Henk de Jong

I think that stopping that discussion is the best thing to do

then retire from usenet, as a corliss should...