How to restore when install disk fails

[Harry Putnam]

I managed to mess up a windows xp pro machine to where it now boots
but fails to recognize mouse or keyboard, I cannot get logged in
since inserting the password requires a working keyboard.

I've attempted to use a windows XP pro installation disk to try a
restore. However I get a blue screen when it tries to start windows.

I see the line..
`Setup is inspecting your machines hardware'
Then windows setup comes up.

`starting windows' then a while later the blue
screen.

Blue screen rough content:
,----
| A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent
| damage to your computer.
|
| If this is the first time... blah blah...
|
| Blah blah
|
| Technical information
|
| ***Stop: 0x0000007b (0XF78D2524, 0XC0000034, 0X00000000,
| 0X00000000)
`----

The machine can boot as I've mentioned but has no mouse or keyboard.

I've plugged usb mouse and keyboard directly to the back of this
computer but still no cigar.

Does anyone have a recommendation besides `reinstall'.

I mean, that would be my very last resort since I have built up quite
a handy system for my work.

Maybe some kind of boot disk that would allow me to enter the password
or by pass it ...?

 

[boatman312]

I managed to mess up a windows xp pro machine to where it now boots
but fails to recognize mouse or keyboard, I cannot get logged in
since inserting the password requires a working keyboard.

I've attempted to use a windows XP pro installation disk to try a
restore. However I get a blue screen when it tries to start windows....

Maybe some kind of boot disk that would allow me to enter the password
or by pass it ...?

Does the keyboard show up if you enter the bios setup?

You can test the mouse hardware by booting with a Linux live disk.

This one will also change the passwords, and it looks like it'll work
with the mouse:

Search for ophcrack-xp-livecd-2.3.1

 

[John John - MVP]

I managed to mess up a windows xp pro machine to where it now boots
but fails to recognize mouse or keyboard, I cannot get logged in
since inserting the password requires a working keyboard.

I've attempted to use a windows XP pro installation disk to try a
restore. However I get a blue screen when it tries to start windows.

I see the line..
`Setup is inspecting your machines hardware'
Then windows setup comes up.

`starting windows' then a while later the blue
screen.

Blue screen rough content:
,----
| A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent
| damage to your computer.
|
| If this is the first time... blah blah...
|
| Blah blah
|
| Technical information
|
| ***Stop: 0x0000007b (0XF78D2524, 0XC0000034, 0X00000000,
| 0X00000000)
`----

The machine can boot as I've mentioned but has no mouse or keyboard.

I've plugged usb mouse and keyboard directly to the back of this
computer but still no cigar.

Does anyone have a recommendation besides `reinstall'.

I mean, that would be my very last resort since I have built up quite
a handy system for my work.

Maybe some kind of boot disk that would allow me to enter the password
or by pass it ...?

Try dadiOH's suggestion and use a PS2 keyboard. As for the 0x7b error
that is a drive controller error, you need to use the F6 method to load
Mass Storage controller drivers.

John

 

[Harry Putnam]

Does the keyboard show up if you enter the bios setup?

Yes, I just checked. In the bios I see 2 keyboards and 4 mice listed
as being installed.

The machine is still attached to KVM switch as well as individual
mouse and keyboard I mentioned.

You can test the mouse hardware by booting with a Linux live disk.

Mouse hardware works when booted with trinity-4.3 linux resuce disc


Where would I find the last good copy of the registry. I can access
all that through the linux disc.

Is it possible to rename a working registry to an older one?

 

[mm]

I managed to mess up a windows xp pro machine to where it now boots
but fails to recognize mouse or keyboard, I cannot get logged in
since inserting the password requires a working keyboard.

I've attempted to use a windows XP pro installation disk to try a
restore. However I get a blue screen when it tries to start windows.

That seems very strange. Unless you mean you're in windows when you
run it.

Have you tried setting the CD rom as the first boot device and booting
from the XP installation disk? That should always work. When given
the first opportunity to enter R, that will be the R-ecovery Console.
You don't want that. Take the other option and at the next choice
pick R for repair. It takes as long as installing Windows does, but
I just did this and got back parts of my system that had been deleted
along with viruses, by virus scanners.

If you have no CD drive, you should be able to boot from USB, probably
from a USB CD drive, worth having under these circumstances.

Let us know how this turns out.

 

[Harry Putnam]

[...]

That seems very strange. Unless you mean you're in windows when you
run it.
No

Have you tried setting the CD rom as the first boot device and booting
from the XP installation disk?

Of course

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . That should always work. When given
the first opportunity to enter R, that will be the R-ecovery Console.
You don't want that. Take the other option and at the next choice
pick R for repair. It takes as long as installing Windows does, but
I just did this and got back parts of my system that had been deleted
along with viruses, by virus scanners.

In this case it does not work. I boot from the installation media,
and I tried both of those I have on hand. They both are full
windowsXP installation CDs.

It boots and shows the lines of output previously posted:

Then I see:

Shortly after that the blue screen

Remember now that this machine will boot into windows XP without any
help. Its just that certain things that were installed and working
(some for mnths) now are not recognized.

The killers are mouse and keyboard do not work, so can't even get
logged on.

Seems like what is happening is windows has reverted to a previous
registry state from some time ago.

But that still does not explain why installation media crashes as it
does but at the same time windowsXP can boot and run on the same
machine.

I think I might like to just reinstall completely but I hate having to
diddle around with getting things recognized... especially the delta66
card which has been a problem on 2 machines. Once it is installed
properly though, it can't be beat for my needs.

Someone suggested using the F6 option on a reinstall which I assume is
to allow user to insert special drivers, like for the cdrom drive.

I don't understand how it can need special drivers when I am booting
from that very drive... and the windows driver package gets loaded,
but that aside maybe someone knows about a driver for that cdrom drive
mentioned below.

`Lite-on Ihas324 sata cdrom'

I looked around on google and on lite-on home pages and have not found
such a driver.

 

[mm]

[...]

That seems very strange. Unless you mean you're in windows when you
run it.
No

Have you tried setting the CD rom as the first boot device and booting
from the XP installation disk?

Of course

One never knows who is writing in.

In this case it does not work. I boot from the installation media,
and I tried both of those I have on hand. They both are full
windowsXP installation CDs.

Do you have more than one CD drive? I don't know how often this
matters, but I have a used CD of Partition Magic, and it would start
but it wouldnt' start right, and then I noticed the previous owner had
written on it that it should go in the drive which is "first on the
cable". I switched drives and it worked.

OTOH, I have a copy of my retail winXP SP0 installation CD, that I had
used on my computer several times to get to the Recorvery Console, and
then I tried to run it from a USB CD drive and it would run for 10 or
20 seconds, displaying nothing on the screen, and then the computer
would just boot from the C: drive after all. Even though a 6
different AV boot cd's ran fine from the same USB drive.

It boots and shows the lines of output previously posted:


Then I see:


Shortly after that the blue screen


Remember now that this machine will boot into windows XP without any
help. Its just that certain things that were installed and working
(some for mnths) now are not recognized.

You're beyond my poor level of knowledge.

The killers are mouse and keyboard do not work, so can't even get
logged on.

Seems like what is happening is windows has reverted to a previous
registry state from some time ago.

But that still does not explain why installation media crashes as it
does but at the same time windowsXP can boot and run on the same
machine.

No it doesn't.

 

[choro]

[...]

I've attempted to use a windows XP pro installation disk to try a
restore. However I get a blue screen when it tries to start windows.

That seems very strange. Unless you mean you're in windows when you
run it.
No

Have you tried setting the CD rom as the first boot device and booting
from the XP installation disk?

Of course

One never knows who is writing in.

In this case it does not work. I boot from the installation media,
and I tried both of those I have on hand. They both are full
windowsXP installation CDs.

Do you have more than one CD drive? I don't know how often this
matters, but I have a used CD of Partition Magic, and it would start
but it wouldnt' start right, and then I noticed the previous owner had
written on it that it should go in the drive which is "first on the
cable". I switched drives and it worked.

That was presumably the MASTER DVD/CD drive.

This is not very clear advice as the older type IDE/ATA/PATA (i.e. non SATA)
drives can be configured as MASTER/SLAVE in 2 different ways; either by the
positioning of the jumpers at the back of the drives, one as MASTER and the
other as SLAVE or by positioning the jumpers on BOTH DRIVES on CS or CABLE
SELECT and connecting the MASTER to the BLACK end connector and the SLAVE
to the GRAY middle connector with the BLUE end of the 40 or the so-called 80
pin flat cable connected to the MOTHERBOARD.

There you will note that the so called 80 pin cables actually still have
only 40 or newer ones 39 pins. 80 merely refers to the number of wires in
the cable. The newer 39 pin type connectors are far better as they can only
go in one way: the CORRECT way whereas the older true 40 pin types could be
pushed in either way and end up not functioning.

Now or course all motherboards have switched over to SATA (Serial ATA)though
they still have provision for the old so called 40 pin PATA (Parallel ATA)
connectors.

And if you find this info useful consider donating to my entertainment
account for the birds in my life! ;-)

 

[Harry Putnam]

Search for ophcrack-xp-livecd-2.3.1

Should that disc be taking a very long time to load? I see a little
dot every so often ... so far about 10 minutes.

And can one set NO passwrd with it.

I ask because I got around my earlier problem with the sata CDrom by
hooking a USB dvdrom which was recognized and so able to run the
windows install media... however, after getting to where you enter `R'
for the recovery console. I'm asked for the passwrd.

I have the password and have used it literally for yrs on all windows
machines but it is NOT recognized. There is no doubt at all that it
is the correct one yet it is not recognized.

I'm guessing it would be wise for the moment to have NO passwd and
hoping Ophcrack is capable of setting it that way.

 

[mm]

[...]


I've attempted to use a windows XP pro installation disk to try a
restore. However I get a blue screen when it tries to start windows.

That seems very strange. Unless you mean you're in windows when you
run it.

No

Have you tried setting the CD rom as the first boot device and booting
from the XP installation disk?

Of course

One never knows who is writing in.

BTW, in previous example of the XP installation CD not working, that
USB CD was connected via USB to a netbook that had no CD drive, so the
whole setup only had that one CD. Maybe I should try the original XP
install cd, which I keep safe, instead of a copy?

That was presumably the MASTER DVD/CD drive.

This is not very clear advice

It might have been meant as a note to himself, by the original owner
of the CD OTOH, if that were so, maybe he would have said the Creative
drive or the E: drive, so maybe it was a note for me.

as the older type IDE/ATA/PATA (i.e. non SATA)
drives can be configured as MASTER/SLAVE in 2 different ways; either by the
positioning of the jumpers at the back of the drives, one as MASTER and the
other as SLAVE or by positioning the jumpers on BOTH DRIVES on CS or CABLE
SELECT and connecting the MASTER to the BLACK end connector and the SLAVE
to the GRAY middle connector with the BLUE end of the 40 or the so-called 80
pin flat cable connected to the MOTHERBOARD.

Maybe he thought everyone did it the way he did, or maybe it was a
note to himself after all. Nonetheless it was an advantage of buying
something used! He included the manual, but I'd read it years ago and
didn't read it again.

Is PM8 or other things supposed to work only one CD drive, where there
are two? I don't read about that very often.

There you will note that the so called 80 pin cables actually still have
only 40 or newer ones 39 pins. 80 merely refers to the number of wires in
the cable. The newer 39 pin type connectors are far better as they can only
go in one way: the CORRECT way whereas the older true 40 pin types could be
pushed in either way and end up not functioning.

Now or course all motherboards have switched over to SATA (Serial ATA)though
they still have provision for the old so called 40 pin PATA (Parallel ATA)
connectors.

And if you find this info useful consider donating to my entertainment
account for the birds in my life! ;-)

I've considered it.

 

[John John - MVP]

[...]

That seems very strange. Unless you mean you're in windows when you
run it.
No

Have you tried setting the CD rom as the first boot device and booting
from the XP installation disk?

Of course

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . That should always work. When given
the first opportunity to enter R, that will be the R-ecovery Console.
You don't want that. Take the other option and at the next choice
pick R for repair. It takes as long as installing Windows does, but
I just did this and got back parts of my system that had been deleted
along with viruses, by virus scanners.

In this case it does not work. I boot from the installation media,
and I tried both of those I have on hand. They both are full
windowsXP installation CDs.

It boots and shows the lines of output previously posted:

Then I see:

Shortly after that the blue screen

Remember now that this machine will boot into windows XP without any
help. Its just that certain things that were installed and working
(some for mnths) now are not recognized.

The killers are mouse and keyboard do not work, so can't even get
logged on.

Seems like what is happening is windows has reverted to a previous
registry state from some time ago.

But that still does not explain why installation media crashes as it
does but at the same time windowsXP can boot and run on the same
machine.

I think I might like to just reinstall completely but I hate having to
diddle around with getting things recognized... especially the delta66
card which has been a problem on 2 machines. Once it is installed
properly though, it can't be beat for my needs.

Someone suggested using the F6 option on a reinstall which I assume is
to allow user to insert special drivers, like for the cdrom drive.

I don't understand how it can need special drivers when I am booting
from that very drive... and the windows driver package gets loaded,
but that aside maybe someone knows about a driver for that cdrom drive
mentioned below.

The Windows installation can be booted because the necessary drivers
were installed when Windows was installed. This was done at the factory
for you or the restoration CD or the Service Partition includes these
drivers so that they can be installed when Windows is installed. If the
machine came with a regular Windows CD then whoever installed Windows
would have had to use the F6 method to load the drivers. You can also
look in the BIOS and see if there is an option to place the SATA
controllers in IDE mode, in this configuration the controllers will act
as IDE controllers and Windows will install without needing additional
drivers. You can also slipstream the SATA drivers to your Windows CD

`Lite-on Ihas324 sata cdrom'

I looked around on google and on lite-on home pages and have not found
such a driver.

The drivers that you need are not for the CD-ROM, they are for the SATA
controller on the motherboard (or the add-in card), they would be on
your motherboard cd with all the other drivers or they would have been
shipped with your add-in card. If you don't have the drivers go to the
manufacturer's web site and download them.

John

 

[Harry Putnam]

The drivers that you need are not for the CD-ROM, they are for the
SATA controller on the motherboard (or the add-in card), they would be
on your motherboard cd with all the other drivers or they would have
been shipped with your add-in card. If you don't have the drivers go
to the manufacturer's web site and download them.

Thanks, all good information.

As it happens I sidestepped once I knew the problem was the sata
cdrom. I attached an external USB cdrom (non-sata) and finally did a
full install.

I did hit another snap prior to that solution though. Booting from
the USB cdrom and attempting the `R' option with windows install media
led to a request for password.

The password has been the same literally for yrs on all of the three
windows machines I use. Still the password was rejected, even after
several careful typings and checking caps lock.

From there I tried the `Trinity' (linux) rescue disk that offers the
opportunity to change or remove passwords. I tried removing any
password but still hit the same problem when trying the `R' option
with windows install media again.

Finally gave up any hope of `[R]estoring' the machine and did a painful
full install that I am still scrambling with to get it into full
video Edit mode, two days later. It requires a goodly number of
re-installs of video editing tools and a general bunch of graphics
oriented tools to be installed. Not to mention some 80 or so windows
updates including SP3. reboot after reboot, and on we go.

 

[choro]

[...]


I've attempted to use a windows XP pro installation disk to try a
restore. However I get a blue screen when it tries to start windows.

That seems very strange. Unless you mean you're in windows when you
run it.

No

Have you tried setting the CD rom as the first boot device and booting
from the XP installation disk?

Of course

One never knows who is writing in.

BTW, in previous example of the XP installation CD not working, that
USB CD was connected via USB to a netbook that had no CD drive, so the
whole setup only had that one CD. Maybe I should try the original XP
install cd, which I keep safe, instead of a copy?

If when burning a copy of the Win XP CD you ticked for verification after
burning, there should be no need ever to get out the original again as you'd
be assured that the copy you made is completely and utterly identical to the
original. I always get a copy CD because if I have only the original and
something happens to it, if it gets accidentally scratched for example, it
would cause problems. But if the copy gets accidentally damaged you can
always do a copy from the original.

This to my mind and to the mind of any sensible person is NOT an illegal
copy. It becomes illegal the moment you give it to somebody else and he or
she tries to install in on another computer. But since OS's have to be
activated these days, this doesn't obviously apply.

I apply the same procedure to all my legally bought and legally owned
software CDs.