How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

[Robert Macy]

Sorry, probably wrong group, but hope someone knows...

My problem is that when pasting an image to Paint, the image enlarges
to accept the new image.

For example, Print Screen, then ctrl-v into Paint ALWAYS changes the
size of image.

Also, pasting from another image (when larger) automatically enlarges
image.

How to stop this 'feature' and make it operate like the Win98 Paint?

Sometimes spend great effort to get the size of the image I need then
WinXP Pain, without asking, changes it.

Any ideas?

Robert

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

You could stop using Paint.

I don't get it. Why would you spend time resizing, cropping, etc., an image
in, presumably another image editing program, and then put it into Paint? I
don't remember what the old version does when you paste in this manner, but
what you describe makes sense. The resolution and magnification remain the
same, so pasting in a larger image requires that the canvas be enlarged.
Even if you paste an image into Photoshop, while the canvas does not
automatically resize, if the data you paste in is larger, it requires
resizing to fit onto the canvas.

In short, what do you expect Paint to do to the data? Automatically rezise
to fit onto the existing canvas?

 

[Doug W.]

Well, of course the image size will change. You are pasting a
"Print Screen" image, NOT just the image. Print Screen has all
of the screen...INCLUDING the image. Why aren't you copying the
"image" only and pasting it??????
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Doug W.
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p.s. If you don't have any other graphics pgm other than
"Paint", the free "Irfanview" is great for "pasting" images.
There are some basic editing provisions as well as well as
resizing, etc.
I use it everyday and I have dozens of graphic editing pgms.
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[Robert Macy]

Well, of course the image size will change. You are pasting a
"Print Screen" image, NOT just the image. Print Screen has all
of the screen...INCLUDING the image. Why aren't you copying the
"image" only and pasting it??????
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Doug W.
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p.s. If you don't have any other graphics pgm other than
"Paint", the free "Irfanview" is great for "pasting" images.
There are some basic editing provisions as well as well as
resizing, etc.
I use it everyday and I have dozens of graphic editing pgms.

Yes I have Irfan and it seems ok. Haven't used it for any image
creation. Will do that another time.

Right now I use Paint because I control each pixel.

For example, I have words/writing on a white background that I took
great pains to print nicely onto paper using this @#$%#$% WinXP
something or other that prints proportionately. Ok, that took a lot
of time. Now I need to go back to my image file and overlay those
words on a colored background but keep the same size and reference
points. The colored background has a pattern so I need to shift it
around so I can get the pale colored images to just be in the right
spot "under" the writing - Keep in mind that the wording, and the
field the wording is in, is absolutely perfect for what I need.

Using Win98 paint, the technique is to take the original image with
words and the correct size. Lay on top a 'sample' colored image with
judicious cutouts so I can see where I'm moving around to. Once
satisfied, lay the colored background down again WITHOUT the cotouts.
Then REPASTE the wording exactly on top this image and it goes right
on top since it's the same size, and I'm done. Right size, right
words, and colored images in the right locations.

Now, the WinXP Paint enlarges the image based upon whatever is being
pasted. I lose track of every landmark and reference I spent so much
time getting. I don't want any scaling. I want the bit pattern laid
in right. Once the field has been modified in size, I have no way to
go back, except to change the image attributes, but that CROPS the
picture, not place the colored image on top where I needed it. Very
frustrating "improvement" here. Win98 Paint, used to ask, "the imge
is larger, do you wish to change?" by saying NO, great, or if you
wanted, you could say YES and enlarge the image. But not now.

Robert

 

[Robert Macy]

You could stop using Paint.

I don't get it. Why would you spend time resizing, cropping, etc., an image
in, presumably another image editing program, and then put it into Paint? I
don't remember what the old version does when you paste in this manner, but
what you describe makes sense. The resolution and magnification remain the
same, so pasting in a larger image requires that the canvas be enlarged.
Even if you paste an image into Photoshop, while the canvas does not
automatically resize, if the data you paste in is larger, it requires
resizing to fit onto the canvas.

In short, what do you expect Paint to do to the data? Automatically rezise
to fit onto the existing canvas?

The windows application called Paint manipulates pixels. Usually
stores the image file as a 24 bit color bitmap whose size (and
therefore image size) is based upon the number of pixels by pixels you
asked for.

In WinXP, whatever program defaults viewing and then prints
automatically scales such a .bmp image file to fit the paper. That's
ok, too.

But to get the writing on the paper to appear exactly where you want
it, requires some extensive trial and error, so once I have a bitmap
image that properly transfers to the paper (after WinXP has scaled it)
I keep that .bmp image for further use.

I'm not using any other image generating program. The other image
also is also in bitmap form, I don't wish to scale it, just slide the
second image around over the present form with its words and then not
use what "hangs over the edges". But, WinXP has "improved" the paste
feature of Paint weakening one of the main features of Paint. I have
to transfer everything to the Win98 machine QUICKLY do the overlay and
then transfer the final image back to WinXP for the OK printing
process.

See my other response for more details about the sequence I go
through.

Thus my question, is there someway to keep Paint from automatically
resizing an image when you paste?

Robert

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

And your point is? You are pasting an image that is larger than the canvas
you start with in Paint. Therefore the canvas needs to be enlarged as
necessary. Doesn't really matter how you measure it. Again, what do you
*expect* it to do? Resize the image to fit on the canvas? That's contrary to
the way any image editor I know works.

 

[Robert Macy]

And your point is? You are pasting an image that is larger than the canvas
you start with in Paint. Therefore the canvas needs to be enlarged as
necessary. Doesn't really matter how you measure it. Again, what do you
*expect* it to do? Resize the image to fit on the canvas? That's contrary to
the way any image editor I know works.

My point is ...I told you I don't WANT all the new image, just a
judicious amount that covers my original in a proper manner.
I am pasting an image much larger than where it's going, so that I can
move it around over the top of the first image and still cover the
first image at every location. AFTER I select where I paste the
pattern, I expect the program to shave off the excess and the
resulting combination is the exact size as my original!

NO pasting from a very large image does NOT need to enlarge where it
goes to capture only what you want. Just because the image to be
pasted has more pixels, I don't necessarily want all the pasted
image.I don't want the original to change its pixel size. The canvas
does not NEED to be enlarged. I don't WANT it enlarged. I expect it
to ASK me which manner I prefer, and when I don't wish to enlarge the
original, and after I place it where I want, automatically cut off the
unwanted. Such as in the Win98 Paint program. I've gotten by for
years using Win98 Paint with it asking me before doing.

What you describe as an image editor sounds like horrific distortion
with no control: For example, I have 400 by 400 pixels filled with
lettering that is small, but readable when scaled for printing. I
then paste a PATTERN that came in 800 by 800 pixels over the top of my
letters, and ZAP the new larger resulting picture will be scaled very
small when printed, now making my print half the size it was when I
started. The only way around this is to WRITE down the size of the
original image attributes. Make a COPY of the pattern and cut it down
to exactly the same size. THEN put the two together, but that doesn't
work if I don't know the EXACT section of the 400 by 400 I want out of
the 800 by 800!

The new form of WinXP Paint is useless in this regard.

So I'm back to, how do you prevent Paint from automatically enlarging
the original image if you wish to paste a larger mage? And throw away
the excess outside the size of your original.

Robert

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

I see what you're getting at now, and all I can say is that with Paint, what
you see is what you get. Not much you can do about the way it behaves.

 

[V Green]

Robert:

If you still have a W98 system up and running,
copy MSPAINT.EXE from it to your XP system
and see if it fixes your problem.

Do a System Restore first in case it screws things up.

 

[Robert Macy]

Robert:

If you still have a W98 system up and running,
copy MSPAINT.EXE from it to your XP system
and see if it fixes your problem.

Do a System Restore first in case it screws things up.

Thank you. Hope there are no ?? to cause problems.

along that same vein, when I had problems with WinXP's Notepad not
acting properly, I moved over the old Win98 Notepad.exe and relabeled
it Not8pad.exe. Then, right clicked on a .txt file and changed the
properties of the .txt files to use Not8pad to open them. That has
worked fairly well.

Does a System Restore occur at every power on, or is it something I
have to do separately?

Robert

 

[V Green]

Thank you. Hope there are no ?? to cause problems.

along that same vein, when I had problems with WinXP's Notepad not
acting properly, I moved over the old Win98 Notepad.exe and relabeled
it Not8pad.exe. Then, right clicked on a .txt file and changed the
properties of the .txt files to use Not8pad to open them. That has
worked fairly well.

Does a System Restore occur at every power on, or is it something I
have to do separately?

Robert

I would do it seperately, and give it a name you can
remember.

Start>>Accessories>>System Tools

And while you're at it, Run Backup and do the System State.
System Restore often acts unpredictably, with awful results.

I've never had a problem recovering from a botched software
install using System State backups.

 

[Robert Macy]

I would do it seperately, and give it a name you can
remember.

Start>>Accessories>>System Tools

And while you're at it, Run Backup and do the System State.
System Restore often acts unpredictably, with awful results.

I've never had a problem recovering from a botched software
install using System State backups.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thank you again. I went to the Help and Support where I typed in
search for System Restore ...without quote marks, got everything with
either word in it. In there it said 'go to Help and Restore to run
System Restore Wizard. But could not find anything about it there.
Then I just went down through index and found a heading called 'System
Restore' when I selected Display I was told that no information
existed regarding the subject System Display. Nice Help and Support
section.

However somehow I floundered around and did find a Wizard that had me
name the restore point and put a time date stamp on it. So that's
done.

I went to the System Tools and found backup, but could not find
anything about backing up state, like System State backup. Only
everything and every document, etc etc. but that said something about
creating a disk ??

Found it! It's in advanced settings. Ouch went from 2 hr when it
started to 5 hours estimated time. Was it trying to put 356MB onto
the floppy? That's going to take a few floppies. May bypass this
step. Especially since it said 'verify OFF' I stored some important
information on a set of 21 floppies WITHOUT using verify ON and right
in the middle was a few bits lost and ended up losing everything, what
a waste of time. There's plenty of room to put it onto D: drive.
But, does it really take 5 hours?

Anyway, I did a search on paint and found the following 5 files...
Paint C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs
\Accessories
mspaint.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32
mspaint.chm C:\WINDOWS\Help
mspaint.hlp C:\WINDOWS\Help
MSPAINT.EXE-11CB8631.pf C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch

Do I need to bring over any of these items, too? Or, will these old
ones work with the new?
Insert only mspaint.exe?

I'll probably get brave and just replace mspaint.exe [WinXP] with
mspaint.exe [Win98] and see what happens.

Robert

 

[V Green]

Thank you again. I went to the Help and Support where I typed in
search for System Restore ...without quote marks, got everything with
either word in it. In there it said 'go to Help and Restore to run
System Restore Wizard. But could not find anything about it there.
Then I just went down through index and found a heading called 'System
Restore' when I selected Display I was told that no information
existed regarding the subject System Display. Nice Help and Support
section.

However somehow I floundered around and did find a Wizard that had me
name the restore point and put a time date stamp on it. So that's
done.

I went to the System Tools and found backup, but could not find
anything about backing up state, like System State backup. Only
everything and every document, etc etc. but that said something about
creating a disk ??

Found it! It's in advanced settings. Ouch went from 2 hr when it
started to 5 hours estimated time. Was it trying to put 356MB onto
the floppy? That's going to take a few floppies. May bypass this
step. Especially since it said 'verify OFF' I stored some important
information on a set of 21 floppies WITHOUT using verify ON and right
in the middle was a few bits lost and ended up losing everything, what
a waste of time. There's plenty of room to put it onto D: drive.
But, does it really take 5 hours?

You don't need to put it on floppies. I just put it on the HD,
and if I'm feeling particularly cautious, move the resulting file
to a CD-R.

Botched software installs rarely leave the system unbootable,
so as long as you can get to the HD, you can restore the System
State.

I usually access it via Backup Wizard. It's on the second or third
dialog box.

Anyway, I did a search on paint and found the following 5 files...
Paint C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs
\Accessories
mspaint.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32
mspaint.chm C:\WINDOWS\Help
mspaint.hlp C:\WINDOWS\Help
MSPAINT.EXE-11CB8631.pf C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch

Do I need to bring over any of these items, too? Or, will these old
ones work with the new?
Insert only mspaint.exe?

What you may need to do is what you did with Notepad.
Rename it to something else so that the OS won't find it,
decide it's not the "correct" version, and try to overwrite
it with the XP version. Check the version (Help>>About)
of Paint before & after trying.

You should only need the .EXE from \System32.

I'll probably get brave and just replace mspaint.exe [WinXP] with
mspaint.exe [Win98] and see what happens.
A-yup.



Robert

 

[Code-Curious Mom]

Would you please let us know when you find out if the Win98 Paint thing
works ok? Although I am not about to give up the XP version, there are rare
occasions when I have missed just that same 'ask first' behavior that you
described. Thanks.

I would do it seperately, and give it a name you can
remember.

Start>>Accessories>>System Tools

And while you're at it, Run Backup and do the System State.
System Restore often acts unpredictably, with awful results.

I've never had a problem recovering from a botched software
install using System State backups.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thank you again. I went to the Help and Support where I typed in
search for System Restore ...without quote marks, got everything with
either word in it. In there it said 'go to Help and Restore to run
System Restore Wizard. But could not find anything about it there.
Then I just went down through index and found a heading called 'System
Restore' when I selected Display I was told that no information
existed regarding the subject System Display. Nice Help and Support
section.

However somehow I floundered around and did find a Wizard that had me
name the restore point and put a time date stamp on it. So that's
done.

I went to the System Tools and found backup, but could not find
anything about backing up state, like System State backup. Only
everything and every document, etc etc. but that said something about
creating a disk ??

Found it! It's in advanced settings. Ouch went from 2 hr when it
started to 5 hours estimated time. Was it trying to put 356MB onto
the floppy? That's going to take a few floppies. May bypass this
step. Especially since it said 'verify OFF' I stored some important
information on a set of 21 floppies WITHOUT using verify ON and right
in the middle was a few bits lost and ended up losing everything, what
a waste of time. There's plenty of room to put it onto D: drive.
But, does it really take 5 hours?

Anyway, I did a search on paint and found the following 5 files...
Paint C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs
\Accessories
mspaint.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32
mspaint.chm C:\WINDOWS\Help
mspaint.hlp C:\WINDOWS\Help
MSPAINT.EXE-11CB8631.pf C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch

Do I need to bring over any of these items, too? Or, will these old
ones work with the new?
Insert only mspaint.exe?

I'll probably get brave and just replace mspaint.exe [WinXP] with
mspaint.exe [Win98] and see what happens.

Robert

 

[Robert Macy]

Would you please let us know when you find out if the Win98 Paint thing
works ok? Although I am not about to give up the XP version, there are rare
occasions when I have missed just that same 'ask first' behavior that you
described. Thanks.

Thank you. Somehow WinXP has made me feel left handed in a right
handed world with all the new automatic features, which I hate.
Notepad doesn't work right. Paint doesn't work right. Tool bar
across the bottom of the screen is uselessly organized. Can't have
single click applications along that bar, ergonomics sucks, etc etc.

Glad to hear you miss this feature in Paint.

Just tried it out...

This is incredible! It works! The best of both worlds!

I only copied mspaint.exe (336KB) from the Win98 machine over to the
WinXP system onto the E: drive where I store everything relating to
upgrading WinXP and left the WinXP's mspaint.exe (332KB) intact in C:
\WINDOWS\system32 folder

In preparation for the switch, I simply ran the application from the
E: drive, the screen came up the same size as the previously stored
WinXP Paint saved image. Odd, but ok. To exercise Win98 Paint, I hit
"Print Screen" and ctrl-v and got the question! and Paint didn't
change the size!

Before I could switch the two, I inadvertently right clicked on a .bmp
file to check something else and found that now there are 3 choices
for opening a .bmp file!!!

Microsoft Paint
Paint
Windows Pictures and Fax Viewer

From matching the icons, I found that Microsoft Paint was from Win98

and Paint was from WinXP

Absolutely no fuss, no muss. However, there was one small quirk. I
have to leave both paint programs, because for some reason Win98 Paint
no longer has the ability to save the image in .jpg format. Don't
know why, but is ok, because whenever I need to save to .jpg format,
I'll just use WinXP Paint and save it in jpg. So far, that's all
WinXP Paint is good for.

Robert

 

[Code-Curious Mom]

Thanks for letting us know it worked.

Thank you. Somehow WinXP has made me feel left handed in a right
handed world with all the new automatic features, which I hate.
Notepad doesn't work right. Paint doesn't work right. Tool bar
across the bottom of the screen is uselessly organized. Can't have
single click applications along that bar, ergonomics sucks, etc etc.

Glad to hear you miss this feature in Paint.

Just tried it out...

This is incredible! It works! The best of both worlds!

I only copied mspaint.exe (336KB) from the Win98 machine over to the
WinXP system onto the E: drive where I store everything relating to
upgrading WinXP and left the WinXP's mspaint.exe (332KB) intact in C:
\WINDOWS\system32 folder

In preparation for the switch, I simply ran the application from the
E: drive, the screen came up the same size as the previously stored
WinXP Paint saved image. Odd, but ok. To exercise Win98 Paint, I hit
"Print Screen" and ctrl-v and got the question! and Paint didn't
change the size!

Before I could switch the two, I inadvertently right clicked on a .bmp
file to check something else and found that now there are 3 choices
for opening a .bmp file!!!

Microsoft Paint
Paint
Windows Pictures and Fax Viewer

and Paint was from WinXP

Absolutely no fuss, no muss. However, there was one small quirk. I
have to leave both paint programs, because for some reason Win98 Paint
no longer has the ability to save the image in .jpg format. Don't
know why, but is ok, because whenever I need to save to .jpg format,
I'll just use WinXP Paint and save it in jpg. So far, that's all
WinXP Paint is good for.

Robert

 

[Robert Macy]

Thanks for letting us know it worked.


news:[email protected]...

You are welcome.

One more tidbit. I couldn't find any easy way to get Win98 Paint to
open without finding it each time using explorer. until...I went to
the E:\ drive folder where mspaint.exe from Win98 was residing and
right clicked to create a shortcut. Then I renamed the shortcut
PaintWin98, then drug it onto the desktop. After only once opening
Win98 Paint by using the shortcut, this version of Paint suddenly
appeared on the start menu as PaintWin98 [the name of the shortcut]

So now I can easily start either version.

Robert

 

[Plato]

My problem is that when pasting an image to Paint, the image enlarges
to accept the new image.

Use:

http://www.bootdisk.com/utility.htm
GENERAL TOOLS
Image Editors

 

[Robert Macy]

Use:

http://www.bootdisk.com/utility.htm
GENERAL TOOLS
Image Editors

--http://www.bootdisk.com/

Thanks for the URL. I had Irfan installed but lost it.

Just tried it to see how it would do for my needs.

TEST:
Print Screen the DeskTop.
Open a blank image made earlier, around 600 by 400.
Paste using ctrl-v, one of two things happened:
Irfan expanded the image to hold the WHOLE thing, just like WinXP
Pain now does.
or,
Irfan shrunk the image to fit into the blank field, but decimated all
the lettering to render all writing to look 'chewed' up.

Both, not good.

Conclusion for me Irfan makes a great viewer, but not so sure about
using it for editing.

Robert

 

[Doug W.]

Thanks for the URL. I had Irfan installed but lost it.

Just tried it to see how it would do for my needs.

TEST:
Print Screen the DeskTop.
Open a blank image made earlier, around 600 by 400.
Paste using ctrl-v, one of two things happened:
Irfan expanded the image to hold the WHOLE thing, just like
WinXP
Pain now does.
or,
Irfan shrunk the image to fit into the blank field, but
decimated all
the lettering to render all writing to look 'chewed' up.

Both, not good.

Conclusion for me Irfan makes a great viewer, but not so sure
about
using it for editing.

Robert

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Whatever...but it seems you are doing a lot of work to obtain
the result you want. Using an older version of Corel's
PhotoPaint, I can achieve the same result in a fraction of the
time that it must be taking you. Oh well, different strokes...as
they say.

Best of luck with your new/old Paint pgm.

Doug W.
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