How can I kill IE?!?!?!!?

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Apparently, _Dan_, on 28/01/05 11:01,typed:
the meantime you need to protect yourself. I recently upgraded my D-Link
router that hackers were bypassing too much to my second defense of ZA PRO

That sounds interesting. I have a D-Link router too. Could you give
details about this security compromise you experienced in your router?

Sam.
 
Apparently, _Dan_, on 28/01/05 11:26,typed:
IE is not fine and needs an overhaul in my opinion. Mozilla Firefox is not a
complete cure of course but it is a start. As far as Norton goes I have sent
off a letter to Symantec because I am concerned about how their products add
to many entries to the registry and make an efficient Windows computer into a
hunk of garbage, imo.

And just see what happens if you try to uninstall it. It leaves registry
entries all over the place.

I am not a Windows programmer, but shouldn't there be a protocol to make
Windows programs such that the programmer only decides which registry
entry to make? Upon uninstallation, the registry entry should be deleted
automatically. Just playing with the idea.

Sam.
 
Galen said:
Honestly, this is the deal: When I open IE, it never retains my
original start page (google), and it is followed by three or four
popups (regardless of whether the popup blocker is active). When I
open firefox, nothing happens that shouldn't. Popups only open in
IE..... and I am using a linksys router with the firewall active, and
have McAfee security suite installed... including its firewall. The
spyware sweeper is run daily, and I typically forbid sites to install
apps on my computer. But, it seems that MIE is still the flaw in my
internet security.


The real issue I see here is that sooner or later, Mozilla will start doing
the same thing because although you are doing SOME things to protect your
computer, you are not doing enough.

A recent article I read stated that most antispyware only removed 50% or
less of the malware. The exceptions were few and far-between and one was
bought by Microsoft and is now in Beta as their solution. The ONE
application you are running is one of the better ones, but it still doesn't
preclude you from running multiple applications and/or immunizing with ones
like SpywareBlaster and Spybot Search & Destroy.

Also, you are using McAffee - I still cannot recommend (personally) their
products - but that is a personal matter. You say you are using their
firewall, but do you understand it and have it configured correctly?

I am assuming you have SP2 installed, are using the associated popup blocker
and security features?

Perhaps a perusal of these tips might give you more of an idea of your
options when it comes to securing/stabilizing your system. I personally use
Mozilla Firefox for normal browsing, IE when I locate a site that doesn't
quite work right in Firefox and have no unwanted popups, malware, etc. I
follow the advice I give - otherwise I wouldn't bother giving it. heh
Thinking that using Mozilla is fixing your problem is no more than turning a
blind eye to the fact that your machine has obvious holes in it that need
patching.


Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

What to Know Before You Download and Install Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx


Let's take the cleanup of your computer step-by-step. Yes, it will take
up some of your time - but consider what you use your computer
for and how much you would dislike it if all of your stuff on your
computer went away because you did not "feel like" performing some
simple maintenance tasks - think of it like changing the oil in your car,
changing the air filter on your home A/C unit, paying your bills on time,
etc.

Let's go through some maintenance first that should only have to be done
once (mostly):

Tip (1):
Locate all of the software (the installation media - CDs, etc) that you
have installed on your computer. Collect these CDs into a single pile
and locate the original installation media (CDs, disks) in a central and
safe place along with their CD keys and such. Make backups of these
installation media sets using your favorite copying method (CD Burner and
application, Disk copier, etc.) You'll be glad to know that if you have
a CD burner, you may be able to use a free application to make a
duplicate copy of your CDs. One such application is ISORecorder:

ISORecorder home page (with general instructions on use):
http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm

Pre-SP2 version:
http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/IsoRecorder/download.asp

Post-SP2 beta version:
http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/download/ISORecorderV2B2.zip


Tip (2):
Empty your Internet Explorer Temporary Internet Files and make sure the
maximum size for this is small enough not to cause trouble in the future.
Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a
size between 10MB and 360MB..

- Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
- Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
- Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the
following:
- Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
- Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to
something between 10MB and 360MB. (Betting it is MUCH larger right
now.)
- Click OK.
- Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents"
(the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10
minutes or more.)
- Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet
Explorer.


Tip (3):
If things are running a bit slow or you have an older system
(1.5GHz or less and 256MB RAM or less) then you may want to look into
tweaking the performance a bit by turning off some of the memory
using Windows XP "prettifications". The fastest method is:

Control Panel --> System --> Advanced tab --> Performance section,
Settings button. Then choose "adjust for best performance" and you
now have a Windows 2000/98 look which turned off many of the annoying
"prettifications" in one swift action. You can play with the last
three checkboxes to get more of an XP look without many of the
other annoyances. You could also grab and install/mess with one
(or more) of the Microsoft Powertoys - TweakUI in particular:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx


Tip (4):
Understanding what a good password might be is vital to your
personal and system security. You may not need to password your home
computer, as you may have it in a locked area (your home) where no
one else has access to it. Remember, however, that locked area is
unlocked when you access the Internet unless you are taking proper
precautions. Also, you aren't always "in that locked area" when using
your computer online - meaning you likely have usernames and passwords
associated with web sites and the likes that you would prefer other
people do not discover/use. This is why you should understand and
utilize good passwords.

Good passwords are those that meet these general rules
(mileage may vary):

Passwords should contain at least six characters, and the character
string should contain at least three of these four character types:
- uppercase letters
- lowercase letters
- numerals
- nonalphanumeric characters (e.g., *, %, &, !)

Passwords should not contain your name/logon name. Passwords should
be unique to you and easy to remember. One method many people are
using today is to make up a phrase that describes a point in their
life and then turning that phrase into their password by using only
certain letters out of each word in that phrase. It's much better
than using your birthday month/year or your anniversary in a pure
sense. For example, let's say my phrase is:
"Discharged from Marines in 1964"
I could come up with this password from that:
"DifrMain64"

The password tip is in the "one time" section, but I highly
recommend you periodically change your passwords. The suggested time
varies, but I will throw out a "once in every 3 to 6 months for
every account you have."


Tip (5):
This tip is also "questionable" in the "one time" section. However,
if properly setup, this one can be pretty well ignored for most people
after the initial "fiddle-with" time.

Why you should use a computer firewall..
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/viruses/fwbenefits.mspx

You should, in some way, use a firewall. Hardware (like a nice
Cable Modem/DSL router) or software is up to you. Many use both of
these. The simplest one to use is the hardware one, as most people
don't do anything they need to configure their NAT device for and
those who do certainly will not mind fiddling with the equipment to
make things work for them. Next in the line of "simplicity" would
have to be the built-in Windows Firewall of Windows XP. In SP2 it
is turned on by default. It is not difficult to turn on in any
case, however:

Enable/Disable the Internet Connection Firewall (Pre-SP2):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283673

More information on the Internet Connection Firewall (Pre-SP2):
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=320855

Post-SP2 Windows Firewall Information/guidance:
http://snipurl.com/atal

The trouble with the Windows Firewall is that it only keeps things
out. Truthfully, for most people who maintain their system in other
ways, this is MORE than sufficient. However, you may feel otherwise.
If you want to know when one of your applications is trying to obtain
access to the outside world so you can stop it, then you will have to
install a third-party application and configure/maintain it. I have
compiles a list with links of some of the better known/free firewalls
you can choose from:

ZoneAlarm (Free and up)
http://snipurl.com/6ohg

Kerio Personal Firewall (KPF) (Free and up)
http://www.kerio.com/kpf_download.html

Outpost Firewall from Agnitum (Free and up)
http://www.agnitum.com/download/

Sygate Personal Firewall (Free and up)
http://smb.sygate.com/buy/download_buy.htm

Symantec's Norton Personal Firewall (~$25 and up)
http://www.symantec.com/sabu/nis/npf/

BlackICE PC Protection ($39.95 and up)
http://blackice.iss.net/

Tiny Personal Firewall (~$49.00 and up)
http://www.tinysoftware.com/

Perhaps you can find the right firewall for your situation in that
list and set it up/configure it. Every firewall MAY require some
maintenance. Essentially checking for patches or upgrades (this
goes for hardware and software solutions) is the extent of this
maintenance - but you may also have to configure your firewall to
allow some traffic depending on your needs. Also, don't stack these
things. Running more than one firewall will not make you safer
- it would likely (in fact) negate some protection you gleamed
from one or the other firewalls you run.


Now that you have some of the more basic (one-time) things down..
Let's go through some of the steps you should take periodically to
maintain a healthy and stable windows computer. If you have not
done some of these things in the past, they may seem tedious at
first - however, they will become routine and some can even be
automatically scheduled.


Tip (6):
The system restore feature is a new one - first appearing in Windows
ME and then sticking around for Windows XP. It is a VERY useful
feature - if you keep it maintained and use it to your advantage.
However, remember that the system restore pretty much tells you in
the name what it protects - "system" files. Your documents, your
pictures, your stuff is NOT system files - so you should also look
into some backup solution.

I'll mainly work around Windows XP, as that is what the bulk of this
document is about. I will, however, point out a single place for you
poor souls still stuck in Windows ME where you can get information on
maintaining your system right now:

Windows ME Computer Health:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsME/using/computerhealth/articles/

Pay close attention to the sections:
(in order)
- Clean up your hard disk
- Check for errors by running ScanDisk
- Defragment your hard disk
- Roll back the clock with System Restore

Now back to the point at hand - maintaining your system restore in
Windows XP SHOULD be automatic - but I have seen the automatic go wrong
too many times not to suggest the following.. Whenever you think about
it (after doing a once-over on your machine once a month or so would
be optimal) - clear out your System Restore and create a manual
restoration point. Why? Too many times have I seen the system restore
files go currupt or get a virus in them, meaning you could not or
did not want to restore from them. By clearing it out periodically
you help prevent any corruption from happening and you make sure you
have at least one good "snapshot".
(This, of course, will erase any previous restore point you have.)

- Turn off System Restore.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310405
- Reboot.
- Turn on System Restore.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310405
- Make a Manual Restoration Point.
http://snipurl.com/68nx

That covers your system files, but doesn't do anything for the files
that you are REALLY worried about - yours! For that you need to look
into backups. You can either manually copy your important files, folders,
documents, spreadsheets, emails, contacts, pictures, drawings and so on
to an external location (CD/DV - any disk of some sort, etc) or you can
use the backup tool that comes with Windows XP:

How To Use Backup to Back Up Files and Folders on Your Computer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308422

Yes - you still need some sort of external media to store the results
on, but you could schedule the backup to occur when you are not around,
then burn the resultant data onto CD or DVD or something when you are
(while you do other things!)


Tip (7):
You should sometimes look through the list of applications that are
installed on your computer. The list MIGHT surprise you. There are more
than likely things in there you KNOW you never use - so why have them
there? There may even be things you KNOW you did not install and
certainly do not use (maybe don't WANT to use.)

This web site should help you get started at looking through this list:

How to Uninstall Programs
http://snipurl.com/8v6b

A word of warning - Do NOT uninstall anything you think you MIGHT need
in the future unless you have completed Tip (1) and have the installation
media and proper keys for use backed up somewhere safe!


Tip (8):
Patches and Updates!

This one cannot be stressed enough. It is SO simple, yet so neglected
by many people. It is especially simple for the critical Windows patches!
Microsoft put in an AUTOMATED feature for you to utilize so that you do
NOT have to worry yourself about the patching of the Operating System:

How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525

However, not everyone wants to be a slave to "automation", and that is
fine - as long as you are willing to do things manually. Admittedly, I
prefer this method on some of my more critical systems.

Windows Update
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/

Go there and scan your machine for updates. Always get the critical ones
as you see them. Write down the KB###### or Q###### you see when
selecting the updates and if you have trouble over the next few days,
go into your control panel (Add/Remove Programs), match up the latest
numbers you downloaded recently (since you started noticing an issue) and
uninstall them. If there was more than one (usually is), uninstall them
one by one - with a few hours of use in between, to see if the problem
returns. Yes - the process is not perfect (updating) and can cause trouble
like I mentioned - but as you can see, the solution isn't that bad - and is
MUCH better than the alternatives.

Windows is not the only product you likely have on your PC. The
manufacturers of the other products usually have updates as well. New
versions of almost everything come out all the time - some are free, some
are pay - some you can only download if you are registered - but it is best
to check. Just go to their web pages and look under their support and
download sections. For example, for Microsoft Office update, you should
visit:

Microsoft Office Updates
http://office.microsoft.com/
(and select "downloads")

You also have hardware on your machine that requires drivers to interface
with the operating system. You have a video card that allows you to see on
your screen, a sound card that allows you to hear your PCs sound output and
so on. Visit those manufacturer web sites for the latest downloadable
drivers for your hardware/operating system. Always (IMO) get the
manufacturers hardware driver over any Microsoft offers. On the Windows
Update site I mentioned earlier, I suggest NOT getting their hardware
drivers - no matter how tempting. First - how do you know what hardware
you have in your computer? Invoice or if it is up and working now - take
inventory:

Belarc Advisor
http://belarc.com/free_download.html

EVEREST Home Edition
http://www.lavalys.com/products/download.php?pid=1&lang=en

Once you know what you have, what next? Go get the latest driver for your
hardware/OS from the manufacturer's web page. For example, let's say you
have an NVidia chipset video card or ATI video card, perhaps a Creative
Labs sound card or C-Media chipset sound card...

NVidia Video Card Drivers
http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp

ATI Video Card Drivers
http://www.atitech.com/support/driver.html

Creative Labs Sound Device
http://us.creative.com/support/downloads/

C-Media Sound Device
http://www.cmedia.com.tw/e_download_01.htm

Then install these drivers. Updated drivers are usually more stable and
may provide extra benefits/features that you really wished you had before.

As for Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP, Microsoft has made this
particular patch available in a number of ways. First, there is the
Windows Update web page above. Then there is a direct download site
and finally, you can order the FREE CD from Microsoft.

Direct Download of Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP
http://snipurl.com/8bqy

Order the Free Windows XP SP2 CD
http://snipurl.com/8umo


Tip (9):
What about the dreaded word in the computer world, VIRUS?

Well, there are many products to choose from that will help you prevent
infections from these horrid little applications. Many are FREE to the
home user. Which one you choose is a matter of taste, really. I wouldn't
list one here I had not personally used - and they all work. Many people
have emotional attachments or performance issues with one or another
AntiVirus software. Try some out, read reviews and decide for yourself
which you like more:

Symantec (Norton) AntiVirus (~$11 and up)
http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_9xnt/

Kaspersky Anti-Virus (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.kaspersky.com/products.html

Panda Antivirus Titanium (~$39.95 and up)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/
(Free Online Scanner: http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/)

AVG Anti-Virus System (Free and up)
http://www.grisoft.com/

McAfee VirusScan (~$11 and up)
http://www.mcafee.com/

AntiVir (Free and up)
http://www.free-av.com/

avast! (Free and up)
http://www.avast.com/

Trend Micro (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.trendmicro.com/en/home/us/personal.htm
(Free Online Scanner:
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/start_corp.asp)

RAV AntiVirus Online Virus Scan (Free!)
http://www.ravantivirus.com/scan/

Most of them have automatic update capabilities. You will have to
look into the features of the one you choose. Whatever one you finally
settle with - be SURE to keep it updated (I recommend at least daily) and
perform a full scan periodically (yes, it protects you actively, but a
full scan once a month at 4AM probably won't bother you.)


Tip (10):
The most rampant infestation at the current time concerns SPYWARE/ADWARE.
I hate this stuff. It has no purpose. I have seen people try to justify
it over and over - it's worthless. It slows down your PC, it can send
your private information to people you'll never meet and did I mention,
it's worthless. You need to eliminate it from your machine.

If you use P2P software, this COULD make that stop working. Find some
decent software to do the same thing - what you are currently using is
crap.

Anyway - there is no one software that cleans and immunizes you against
everything. Antivirus software - you only needed one. Firewall, you
only needed one. AntiSpyware - you may need several. I have a list and
I recommend you use at least the first 5. I know that sounds like a lot,
and you may be saying "But you said earlier that I should clean my system,
now you are telling me to install more software - 5 pieces in fact!" Okay,
I get your point, but please consider that this stuff has prevented the
install of the latest service pack for some people, it has the potential
to slow and crater your PC, it can send your private information around
the world to people you do not know - it is all around BAD.

First - make sure you have NOT installed "Rogue AntiSpyware". There are
people out there who created AntiSpyware products that actually install
spyware of their own! You need to avoid these:

Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

Also, you can always visit this site..
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
For more updated information.

Then, my suggestion again is that you at least install the first five of
these: (Install, Run, Update, Scan with..)

Lavasoft AdAware (Free and up)
http://www.lavasoft.de/support/download/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdn )

Spybot Search and Destroy (Free!)
http://www.safer-networking.net/en/download/index.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdk )

Bazooka Adware and Spyware Scanner (Free!)
http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate3 )

SpywareBlaster (Free!)
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate6 )

IE-SPYAD (Free!)
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/resource.htm
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate7 )

CWShredder (Free!)
http://www.softbasket.com/download/s_8114.shtml

Hijack This! (Free)
http://mjc1.com/mirror/hjt/
( Tutorial: http://hjt.wizardsofwebsites.com/ )

ToolbarCop (Free!)
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/toolbarcop.htm

Browser Security Tests
http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/BrowserSecurity/

Popup Tester
http://www.popuptest.com/

The Cleaner (49.95 and up)
http://www.moosoft.com/

If used properly, you should have a malware free system now. The last
two of the first five I suggest you install are immunization applications.
None of these programs (in these editions) run in the background unless you
TELL them to. The space they take up and how easy they are to use greatly
makes up for any inconvenience you may be feeling.

Unfortunately, although that will lessen your popups on the Internet/while
you are online, it won't eliminate them. I have looked at a lot of options,
seen a lot of them used in production with people who seem to attract popups
like a plague, and I only have a few other suggestions that should help.
This
one ends up serving double duty (search engine and popup stopper in one):

The Google Toolbar (Free!)
http://toolbar.google.com/

Yeah - it adds a bar to your Internet Explorer - but its a useful one. You
can search from there anytime with one of the best search engines on the
planet (IMO.) And the fact it stops most popups - wow - BONUS! If you
don't like that suggestion, then I am just going to say you go to
www.google.com and search for other options.

Please notice that Windows XP SP2 does help stop popups as well.

Another option is to use an alternative Web browser. I suggest
"Mozilla Firefox", as it has some great features and is very easy to use:

Mozilla Firefox
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

One more suggestion is to disable your Windows Messenger service. This
service is not used frequently (if at all) by the normal home user and
in cooperation with a good firewall, is generally unnecessary. Microsoft
has instructions on how to do this for Windows XP here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/communicate/stopspam.asp


So your machine is pretty clean and up to date now. If you use the sections
above as a guide, it should stay that way as well! There are still a few
more
little things you can do to keep your machine running in top shape.


Tip (11):
You should periodically check your hard drive(s) for errors and defragment
them. Only defragment after you have cleaned up your machine of
outside parasites and never defragment as a solution to a quirkiness in
your system. It may help speed up your system, but it should be clean
before you do this.

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310312

How to scan your disks for errors
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=315265

How to Defragment your hard drives
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314848

I would personally perform the above steps at least once every three months.
For most people this should be sufficient, but if the difference you notice
afterwards is greater than you think it should be, lessen the time in
between
its schedule.. If the difference you notice is negligible, you can increase
the time.


Tip (12):
SPAM! JUNK MAIL!
This one can get annoying, just like the rest. You get 50 emails in one
sitting and 2 of them you wanted. NICE! (Not.) What can you do? Well,
although there are services out there to help you, some email
servers/services that actually do lower your spam with features built into
their servers - I still like the methods that let you be the end-decision
maker on what is spam and what is not. I have two products to suggest to
you, look at them and see if either of them suite your needs. Again, if
they don't, Google is free and available for your perusal.

SpamBayes (Free!)
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/

Spamihilator (Free!)
http://www.spamihilator.com/

As I said, those are not your only options, but are reliable ones I have
seen function for hundreds+ people.


Tip (13):
ADVANCED TIP! Only do this once you are comfortable under the hood of your
computer!

There are lots of services on your PC that are probably turned on by default
you don't use. Why have them on? Check out these web pages to see what all
of the services you might find on your computer are and set them according
to
your personal needs. Be CAREFUL what you set to manual, and take heed and
write down as you change things! Also, don't expect a large performance
increase or anything - especially on today's 2+ GHz machines, however - I
look
at each service you set to manual as one less service you have to worry
about
someone exploiting. A year ago, I would have thought the Windows Messenger
service to be pretty safe, now I recommend (with addition of a firewall)
that most home users disable it! Yeah - this is another one you have to
work for, but your computer may speed up and/or be more secure because you
took the time. And if you document what you do as you do it, next time, it
goes MUCH faster! (or if you have to go back and re-enable things..)

Task List Programs
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm

Black Viper's Service List and Opinions (XP)
http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

Processes in Windows NT/2000/XP
http://www.reger24.de/prozesse/

There are also applications that AREN'T services that startup when you start
up the computer/logon. One of the better description on how to handle these
I have found here:

Startups
http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php


If you follow the advice laid out above (and do some of your own research as
well, so you understand what you are doing) - your computer will stay fairly
stable and secure and you will have a more trouble-free system.
 
Galen said:
Honestly, this is the deal: When I open IE, it never retains my original
start page (google), and it is followed by three or four popups (regardless
of whether the popup blocker is active). When I open firefox, nothing
happens that shouldn't. Popups only open in IE..... and I am using a linksys
router with the firewall active, and have McAfee security suite installed...
including its firewall. The spyware sweeper is run daily, and I typically
forbid sites to install apps on my computer. But, it seems that MIE is still
the flaw in my internet security.

Understand that I'm not a Microsoft hater..... I like XP (great improvements
from 98) and I use alot of MS software without complaints. It's unfortunate,
though, that I don't have the option of chosing my own web browser in MS XP.
And yes, SP2 is installed. So, RJK, I'm not an idiot or ignorant or
uncaring or uninterested when it comes to the process of internet
security....... and I've reached the point where I'm fet up with MIE, and
removing it/freezing it or demanding that it be overhauled is the next step
in the ever-continueing process of security. I'm glad that your effort to
use IE properly has worked well for you..... for me it seems like it isn't
worth the effort, or the effort isn't effective enough. Kudos to Mozilla for
creating a superior browser..... and bad bad microsoft for not letting me use
it!

Galen, regardless of your browser preferences, you have allowed a malicious browser plug-in to be installed on your computer. Switching browsers does not uninstall that malicious software. Please use the recommended tools (Ad-Aware, Spybot, Housecall, etc) to remove the malicious software from your machine.

In the meantime, go on using Firefox; it's a wonderful browser.

carl
 
Apparently, _Galen_, on 28/01/05 12:17,typed:
Honestly, this is the deal: When I open IE, it never retains my original
start page (google), and it is followed by three or four popups (regardless
of whether the popup blocker is active). When I open firefox, nothing
happens that shouldn't. Popups only open in IE..... and I am using a linksys
router with the firewall active, and have McAfee security suite installed...
including its firewall. The spyware sweeper is run daily, and I typically
forbid sites to install apps on my computer. But, it seems that MIE is still
the flaw in my internet security.

Understand that I'm not a Microsoft hater..... I like XP (great improvements
from 98) and I use alot of MS software without complaints. It's unfortunate,
though, that I don't have the option of chosing my own web browser in MS XP.
And yes, SP2 is installed. So, RJK, I'm not an idiot or ignorant or
uncaring or uninterested when it comes to the process of internet
security....... and I've reached the point where I'm fet up with MIE, and
removing it/freezing it or demanding that it be overhauled is the next step
in the ever-continueing process of security. I'm glad that your effort to
use IE properly has worked well for you..... for me it seems like it isn't
worth the effort, or the effort isn't effective enough. Kudos to Mozilla for
creating a superior browser..... and bad bad microsoft for not letting me use
it!


I am using FireFox in Windows XP(SP2 installed). Never uninstalled IE. I
have ZoneAlarm and Norton AntiVirus and Spybot and Adaware. I am behind
a fireall. The laptop is even connected to an IP address in my
university when I take it there(I think no firewall there).

However, I installed FireFox first thing after updating Windows XP when
I bought the laptop (while remaining behind a firewall of course). So
basically, IE has never really ran on my system for browsing.

All is well and I keep my fingers crossed. In other words, I still have
IE installed but use it only to update Windows XP.

I am not sure why you are still experiencing security compromises in
your computer. If worst comes to worst, you could try reformatting your
computer and reinstalling XP while *not* connected to the internet and
then updating it from *behind* a firewall and intalling FireFox and
never using IE unless necessary.

Sam.
 
Yuppers, perhaps it is me.... and not IE (gasp!). But, isn't it all about
freedom? Why can't a guy kill IE if he wants to? I like firefox.... and all
my friends like it, to. Sure, maybe your friend got a rotton apple
downloading firefox, but maybe that was perhaps him (gasp!) and not firefox.
Still, I'd like to see Microsoft completely overhaul MIE, instead of just
releasing a shaky (granted it's still beta) half-solution to their security
issues.... and I'm talking about MS Anti-spyware.
 
Gordon

It is inefficient ( not efficient ) to send two messages when one will
do <g>! Still when you get your broadband I guess your system will not
notice the difference!

--

~~~~~~

Regards.

Gerry

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Sam

There is a popup blocker in Internet Explorer!


~~~~~~

Regards.

Gerry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Galen

"I don't have the option of chosing my own web browser in MS XP." This
statement by you is not true! If you wish to run another browser
Microsoft is not stopping you!

If you do not want popups why are you turning the popup blocker off?

--

~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
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Stourport, Worcs, England
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suggested solution worked for you.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
| Yuppers, perhaps it is me.... and not IE (gasp!). But, isn't it all about
| freedom? Why can't a guy kill IE if he wants to? I like firefox.... and
all
| my friends like it, to. Sure, maybe your friend got a rotton apple
| downloading firefox, but maybe that was perhaps him (gasp!) and not
firefox.
| Still, I'd like to see Microsoft completely overhaul MIE, instead of just
| releasing a shaky (granted it's still beta) half-solution to their
security
| issues.... and I'm talking about MS Anti-spyware.

I don't use MS Anti Spyware so I can't say. I do use Firefox in addition to
IE and have no problems with either one. As IE is an integral part of XP,
no, you don't have that freedom. "My friends from the prison that ask unto
me, 'How good, how good does it feel to be free?' I answer them, most
mysteriously, 'How free are the birds from the chains of the skyway?'"
 
Galen

The Windows AntiSpyware (Beta) software is not about Internet Explorer
security issues! It is an attempt by Microsoft to ensure that every
computer with a Windows operating system has protection from spyware.

The time is not far away when purchases of Windows will come with
anti-virus and anti-spyware software included in the overall package. A
Firewall is already included with the latest versions of Windows XP. Too
many people have for too long bought computers and have not installed
Firewalls, Anti-Virus and Anti-Spyware programmes. These people are a
menace to other more responsible users of the internet as they spew out
viruses and the like.

Internet Explorer was riddled with security weaknesses and Microsoft
have been giving priority to eliminating security weaknesses for over 2
years. Their strategy now seems to have changed with the introduction of
the Windows AntiSpyware (Beta) software and the monthly anti-virus check
on the Windows Update site. I see this as a positive step towards
eliminating much of the garbage being thrown at our computers.

--

~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
Gerry said:
when you get your broadband

We have been "enabled" since the middle of December (we live in a very
small village in the Staffordshire Moorlands) but there's been a
hiccough with my wife's company providing her with broadband which they
won't allow a router connected to <spit> so we've had to combine the
additional line for that with a reverting from ISDN to post and a
separate broadband connection for me <yippee!> which is going to happen
around the 9th-14th Feb.
 
Only when you install SP2!!! And it will never show up in the "older"
Windows version of IE.


Gerry Cornell said:
Sam

There is a popup blocker in Internet Explorer!


~~~~~~

Regards.

Gerry

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True!


~~~~~~

Regards.

Gerry

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Yves Leclerc said:
Only when you install SP2!!! And it will never show up in the "older"
Windows version of IE.
 
Sam said:
Apparently, _Dan_, on 28/01/05 11:26,typed:



And just see what happens if you try to uninstall it. It leaves registry
entries all over the place.

I am not a Windows programmer, but shouldn't there be a protocol to make
Windows programs such that the programmer only decides which registry
entry to make? Upon uninstallation, the registry entry should be deleted
automatically. Just playing with the idea.

Sam.
To get Past this, After all of the other applications are
installed & before installing ANY Norton products make a
registry backup. This can be done usually from the registry
editor (under file>export). The resulting reg file is about
780mb in size if done properly.

After uninstalling any Norton product, there will be
around 150 items to remove (barring network detect/proxy
drivers).
 
Vagabond said:
Galen, regardless of your browser preferences, you have allowed a malicious browser plug-in to be installed on your computer. Switching browsers does not uninstall that malicious software. Please use the recommended tools (Ad-Aware, Spybot, Housecall, etc) to remove the malicious software from your machine.

In the meantime, go on using Firefox; it's a wonderful browser.

carl
just curious, You wouldn't have any p2p programs on the
PC, would you?
How about specialty items like search toolbars or weather
agents? (some have browser hijackers in the pack, which it
sounds like your IE has). Send a list of the items acquired
in the last 2 or 3 months in over the web install. Do you
recall any?
 
Basically, my ZA Pro. was getting hits from Internet that were not being
stopped by the hardware firewall in my D-Link router and so the software
firewall had to stop the intrusions. Ideally, I would like most of the
attacks to stop at the hardware firewall side of the equation.

: Apparently, _Dan_, on 28/01/05 11:01,typed:
:
: > the meantime you need to protect yourself. I recently upgraded my D-Link
: > router that hackers were bypassing too much to my second defense of ZA
PRO
:
: That sounds interesting. I have a D-Link router too. Could you give
: details about this security compromise you experienced in your router?
:
: Sam.
:
: --
: Please remove the underscores ( the '_' symbols) from my email address
: to obtain the correct one. Apologies, but the fudging is to remove spam.
 
| Galen
|
| The Windows AntiSpyware (Beta) software is not about Internet Explorer
| security issues! It is an attempt by Microsoft to ensure that every
| computer with a Windows operating system has protection from spyware.
|
| The time is not far away when purchases of Windows will come with
| anti-virus and anti-spyware software included in the overall package. A
| Firewall is already included with the latest versions of Windows XP. Too
| many people have for too long bought computers and have not installed
| Firewalls, Anti-Virus and Anti-Spyware programmes. These people are a
| menace to other more responsible users of the internet as they spew out
| viruses and the like.
|
| Internet Explorer was riddled with security weaknesses and Microsoft
| have been giving priority to eliminating security weaknesses for over 2
| years. Their strategy now seems to have changed with the introduction of
| the Windows AntiSpyware (Beta) software and the monthly anti-virus check
| on the Windows Update site. I see this as a positive step towards
| eliminating much of the garbage being thrown at our computers.
|
| --
|
| ~~~~~~
|
|
| Hope this helps.
|
| Gerry

I see it as MS monopolizing again like they did with IE over Netscape. If
you think any of MS tools like the lame "firewall" will keep you safe or
even close to safe, you're pretty naive.
 
I agree with you completely Sam that the program and all asscociated registry
entries should be deleted upon the removal of the program. Unfortunately,
this is not the case and you have to go into the registry to manually remove
entries and if you remove something that you should not then there goes your
system. I have heard of a program called Total Unistall that is supposed to
work quite well but I have not tried it. Has anyone used this program or
know of something that can totally remove a program as well as all associated
registry entries from that program without harming the registry or/and
underlying operating system?

: Apparently, _Dan_, on 28/01/05 11:26,typed:
: > IE is not fine and needs an overhaul in my opinion. Mozilla Firefox is
not a
: > complete cure of course but it is a start. As far as Norton goes I have
sent
: > off a letter to Symantec because I am concerned about how their products
add
: > to many entries to the registry and make an efficient Windows computer
into a
: > hunk of garbage, imo.
:
: And just see what happens if you try to uninstall it. It leaves registry
: entries all over the place.
:
: I am not a Windows programmer, but shouldn't there be a protocol to make
: Windows programs such that the programmer only decides which registry
: entry to make? Upon uninstallation, the registry entry should be deleted
: automatically. Just playing with the idea.
:
: Sam.
:
:
:
: --
: Please remove the underscores ( the '_' symbols) from my email address
: to obtain the correct one. Apologies, but the fudging is to remove spam.
 
Gerry, actually there can be a time and place to turn the pop-up blocker off.
It is useful when testing computers to see how badly they have been infected
with adware to actually turn the pop-up blocker off and diagonose whether the
user is getting lots of pop-ups and to help determine how bad the actual
operating system has been infected. However, when you are not testing and as
a general rule I agree with you on having the pop-up blocker enabled.

: Galen
:
: "I don't have the option of chosing my own web browser in MS XP." This
: statement by you is not true! If you wish to run another browser
: Microsoft is not stopping you!
:
: If you do not want popups why are you turning the popup blocker off?
:
: --
:
: ~~~~~~
:
:
: Hope this helps.
:
: Gerry
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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:
: Stourport, Worcs, England
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: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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: suggested solution worked for you.
:
:
:
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:
:
:
:
: : > Honestly, this is the deal: When I open IE, it never retains my
: > original
: > start page (google), and it is followed by three or four popups
: > (regardless
: > of whether the popup blocker is active). When I open firefox, nothing
: > happens that shouldn't. Popups only open in IE..... and I am using a
: > linksys
: > router with the firewall active, and have McAfee security suite
: > installed...
: > including its firewall. The spyware sweeper is run daily, and I
: > typically
: > forbid sites to install apps on my computer. But, it seems that MIE
: > is still
: > the flaw in my internet security.
: >
: > Understand that I'm not a Microsoft hater..... I like XP (great
: > improvements
: > from 98) and I use alot of MS software without complaints. It's
: > unfortunate,
: > though, that I don't have the option of chosing my own web browser in
: > MS XP.
: > And yes, SP2 is installed. So, RJK, I'm not an idiot or ignorant or
: > uncaring or uninterested when it comes to the process of internet
: > security....... and I've reached the point where I'm fet up with MIE,
: > and
: > removing it/freezing it or demanding that it be overhauled is the next
: > step
: > in the ever-continueing process of security. I'm glad that your
: > effort to
: > use IE properly has worked well for you..... for me it seems like it
: > isn't
: > worth the effort, or the effort isn't effective enough. Kudos to
: > Mozilla for
: > creating a superior browser..... and bad bad microsoft for not letting
: > me use
: > it!
: >
: > "RJK" wrote:
: >
: >> With sensibly set IE security settings, a decent and correctly set up
: >> firewall in place, and making a little effort to add web addresses
: >> that you
: >> trust to not send malicious software, into IE's trusted sites zone,
: >> and
: >> perhaps into the firewalls' web list, use of the hosts file, and an
: >> autoconfiguration script, switching off the "MS Messenger service -
: >> network
: >> alerter / messaging service or whatever it's called," and a few other
: >> common
: >> sense odds and ends - there's nothing really wrong with IE. ...other
: >> than
: >> it being riddled with security issues !
: >>
: >> I mean, if visiting an "unknown" flashy web site and IE asks you if
: >> you want
: >> to allow ActiveX controls to run in your browser window - you say
: >> "NO"
: >> ....don't you ? ...and if IE asks you if you want to allow scripting
: >> or
: >> Java Applets to run and you have no idea what they're going to do
: >> because
: >> the site is strange to you ...surely one would click "NO" or "DENY."
: >> ?!?!
: >>
: >> ....ps I've gone back to Norton Internet Security. I tried using
: >> Avast and
: >> Zonealarm. ...didn't like Avast, didn't like Zonealarm because a
: >> little
: >> bubble thingy kept flashing on and off on top of ZA's system tray
: >> red/green
: >> "LED"-like icon in my system tray. And there seemed to be nowhere in
: >> ZA
: >> that could give me details of all open connections, like in Norton.
: >>
: >> IE is fine if you take the effort to use it properly, and make a
: >> little
: >> effort to set it up properly, and make a little effort find out a
: >> little
: >> about general internet security :-)
: >>
: >> regards, Richard
: >>
: >>
: >> : >> > Now that I've switched to Mozilla Firefox (which I highly
: >> > recommend), I
: >> > want
: >> > to completely remove MIE from my system due to security issues;
: >> > popups are
: >> > still sneaking through via IE.... and microsoft anti-spyware hasn't
: >> > helped
: >> > either. But, when I went to uninstall IE, it only removed the
: >> > links to
: >> > the
: >> > software.... IE still very much exists on my computer and the
: >> > popups are
: >> > still taking full advantage......
: >> >
: >> > any ideas?
: >>
: >>
: >>
:
 
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