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Mike M.
Microsoft's "hard-won gains" came about from their having destroyed the
I resent that. I have a 12 year old who has a much better attitude and
grammar!
I resent that. I have a 12 year old who has a much better attitude and
grammar!
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
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David Candy
I upgraded from Netscape 2 to Microsoft Internet Explorer 1. Never looked back. MS sets the standards.
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DanS
David Candy said:I upgraded from Netscape 2 to Microsoft Internet Explorer 1. Never
looked back. MS sets the standards.
They don't SET the standards. M$ FORCES what they think the standards
should be on users whether it is the best or not.
As for IE, they have set high standards for insecurity and exploits.
Which reminds me......
How many MS engineers does it take to change a light bulb ?
None, they just make darkness that standard.
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Tiffany S.
David Candy said:
You contradict something you said earlier:
If you think that Microsoft has a better browser than Netscape, fine. I
think so, too. But they did it NOT by setting a new standard, but by
introducing stuff that was not compatible with the standard. The stuff
that Microsoft introduced did not work with Netscape Navigator. It
could be debated whether or not that damaged people's opinions of
Netscape's product, but I do not understand your statement:
Please explain that, and also explain why Netscape are "thieves."
The W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) is supposed to set the standards
with respect to html and browsers. If you think that it's okay for a
company to introduce another standard because it may be better, why did
you say
Your own opinions differ with your own opinions. You show that you do
not know how to think. Prove me wrong.
I upgraded from Netscape 2 to Microsoft Internet
Explorer 1. Never looked back. MS sets the standards.
You contradict something you said earlier:
There should be ONE hardware standard and ONE
software standard. Thieves like Netscape have
damaged Microsoft products.
If you think that Microsoft has a better browser than Netscape, fine. I
think so, too. But they did it NOT by setting a new standard, but by
introducing stuff that was not compatible with the standard. The stuff
that Microsoft introduced did not work with Netscape Navigator. It
could be debated whether or not that damaged people's opinions of
Netscape's product, but I do not understand your statement:
Thieves like Netscape damaged Microsoft products.
Please explain that, and also explain why Netscape are "thieves."
MS sets the standards.
The W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) is supposed to set the standards
with respect to html and browsers. If you think that it's okay for a
company to introduce another standard because it may be better, why did
you say
"There should be ONE hardware standard and ONE
software standard"?
Your own opinions differ with your own opinions. You show that you do
not know how to think. Prove me wrong.
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Stan Brown
Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:21:09 -0500 from Tiffany S.
And it also violated the W3C's definitions of HTML -- even though
Microsoft is (was?) a member of that body.
This is fairly typical of Microsoft -- whenever there's an open
standard Microsoft violates it. Look at C++; look at e-mail
protocols; look at that abortion the "favicon"(*); look at Usenet
news, and on and on.
One might argue whether Microsoft's innovations are helpful to the
user. What can't be argued is that Microsoft's subversion of
standards makes lie _much_ harder for those of us who want computers
to interoperate seamlessly. Microsoft's strategy is to throw us back
to the bad old days of the 1950s and 1960s when one model of computer
couldn't read a tape written on another model because they used
different character sets or different formats.
(*) What's wrong with favicons? Anyone using a Microsoft browser who
visits any site causes extra strain on that site by the browser's
insistence on looking in two different places for the favicon.
If you think that Microsoft has a better browser than Netscape, fine. I
think so, too. But they did it NOT by setting a new standard, but by
introducing stuff that was not compatible with the standard. The stuff
that Microsoft introduced did not work with Netscape Navigator.
And it also violated the W3C's definitions of HTML -- even though
Microsoft is (was?) a member of that body.
This is fairly typical of Microsoft -- whenever there's an open
standard Microsoft violates it. Look at C++; look at e-mail
protocols; look at that abortion the "favicon"(*); look at Usenet
news, and on and on.
One might argue whether Microsoft's innovations are helpful to the
user. What can't be argued is that Microsoft's subversion of
standards makes lie _much_ harder for those of us who want computers
to interoperate seamlessly. Microsoft's strategy is to throw us back
to the bad old days of the 1950s and 1960s when one model of computer
couldn't read a tape written on another model because they used
different character sets or different formats.
(*) What's wrong with favicons? Anyone using a Microsoft browser who
visits any site causes extra strain on that site by the browser's
insistence on looking in two different places for the favicon.
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David R. Norton MVP Shell/User
P D Sterling said:I changed my browser to be Firefox, and am contemplating changing my mail
client to Thunderbird. Will I have difficulty finding you gentle people in
future? I have lots more questions I would like to ask, just have been too
busy to sit down and think 'em up.
Sorry, I'm way too lazy to read all the answers to see if your question did
get answered but... your headers show you're using Outlook Express as a news
reader. After you install Firefox and Thunderbird you'll still have Outlook
Express and you can still continue to access these newsgroups using OE just
as you're doing now.
Actually, you can access these newsgroups using any newsreader (not email
client, they're for email, newsreaders are for newsgroups and OE can act as
either or both.)
J
Jerry Baker
David said:Sorry, I'm way too lazy to read all the answers to see if your question did
get answered but... your headers show you're using Outlook Express as a news
reader. After you install Firefox and Thunderbird you'll still have Outlook
Express and you can still continue to access these newsgroups using OE just
as you're doing now.
Or you can use Thunderbird. Keep in mind that once you stop using
Outlook to view newsgroups you will notice that every single time an
Outlook user replies to a thread, they start a new thread. Why is that?
It's because Outlook does not use References: or In-Reply-To: headers in
its replies. It uses special code that only Outlook can read and
understand which is generally annoying to everyone else.
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