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I recently installed ie7 on my computer but failed to realize that norton had
turned off system restore. ie7 constantly shuts down when you select a site
from the drop down bar if you type the site in it will stay up about 20
minutes how do I fix the problem or preferably reinstall ie6 much help is
needed
 
1fireman31 said:
I recently installed ie7 on my computer but failed to realize that norton
had
turned off system restore. ie7 constantly shuts down when you select a
site
from the drop down bar if you type the site in it will stay up about 20
minutes how do I fix the problem or preferably reinstall ie6 much help is
needed


You could try the IE7 discussion group on the web interface.
You have posted in windowsxp.general.

http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
 
1fireman31 said:
I recently installed ie7 on my computer but failed to realize that norton had
turned off system restore. ie7 constantly shuts down when you select a site
from the drop down bar if you type the site in it will stay up about 20
minutes how do I fix the problem or preferably reinstall ie6 much help is
needed

Control Panel/Add Remove Programs. Make sure the Updates is ticked at
the top and uninstall IE7 which will leave you with IE6.

Alias
 
Alias~- said:
Control Panel/Add Remove Programs. Make sure the Updates is ticked at the
top and uninstall IE7 which will leave you with IE6.

Alias

Hi Alias
It does not always work that way - unfortunately - as can be read in the IE7
groups.
I would wish the OP every success though and add that it is not a good idea
to put a beta product on your computer.
O.T - re a recent discussion on the %temp% subject - I took notice of your
warning - thanks - that bit did look a bit 'dodge' when I read through
again.
Rgds
Antioch
 
1fireman31 said:
I recently installed ie7 on my computer but failed to realize that norton had
turned off system restore. ie7 constantly shuts down when you select a site
from the drop down bar if you type the site in it will stay up about 20
minutes how do I fix the problem or preferably reinstall ie6 much help is
needed

IE7 questions should be directed to the internet explorer newsgroup:
news://microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general newsgroup in a
newsreader or on the web at .

http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

Beta software should only be installed on a test system, not your normal
operational system.
 
I very much doubt "Norton" turned off System Restore.

You'll find instructions and tips on installing and uninstalling IE7 Beta at
the web pages below:

=> Sandi's Known Issues & Uninstall/Install Tips
http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks/archive/2006/06/30/103391.aspx

=> Uninstalling IE7 Beta 1 through Beta 3
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/06/29/650033.aspx

=> IEBlog : Installation Changes in IE7 RC1
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/08/24/714977.aspx

=> IE7 RC1 (build 7450.4)
http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks/archive/2006/08/24/108922.aspx
http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks/archive/2006/08/24/109383.aspx

Consumer-only support for Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 is available via the
phone for North America, English speaking customers (also in Japan and
Germany). Customers must be running Windows XP in a non domain environment.
Microsoft will provide best effort support during this pre-release (beta).

Support number: 1-866-876-4926

Hours of operation:
Monday-Friday 5 am - 9 pm Pacific Standard Time
Saturday-Sunday 6 am - 3 pm Pacific Standard Time
 
Rock said:
Beta software should only be installed on a test system, not your normal
operational system.

Maybe, but I've been running IE7 since beta 2 and while that one had
some problems (minor), beta 3 is ROCK SOLID and has no noticable
problems.

I much prefer it to Firefox, which had some huge memory leak problems
on my system.
 
antioch said:
Hi Alias
It does not always work that way - unfortunately - as can be read in the IE7
groups.

Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up.
I would wish the OP every success though and add that it is not a good idea
to put a beta product on your computer.

Seems like the "in" thing nowadays to have IE7. Why is beyond my
comprehension.
O.T - re a recent discussion on the %temp% subject - I took notice of your
warning - thanks - that bit did look a bit 'dodge' when I read through
again.
Rgds
Antioch

You're welcome.

Alias
 
Alias~- said:
Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up.


Seems like the "in" thing nowadays to have IE7. Why is beyond my
comprehension.

I guess people are manipulated into thinking that they must always
have the latest stuff and if it is more current in technology then this
means that it must be better. I guess not everyone is buying into the
must upgrade mantra and I still wonder why the thinking is --- oh that
product is no longer supported and obsolete so it must be no good.
The case that I present is that I dual-boot with 98SE and XP Pro.
and use 98SE whenever possible since I prefer that operating system
because I have spent a great deal of time customizing it to my liking by
editing the registry manually, making sure that everything runs
correctly, decreasing security risks by using tighter custom security
settings in Internet Explorer, usually using Mozilla Firefox since with
98SE Microsoft is not supporting anything now that July 11, 2006 has
passed but other companies such as Mozilla are still supporting their
browser with 98SE, using msconfig when needed, enabling a start up menu,
etc.
I feel that XP is much nicer to legacy programs than 2000 was but
I still feel that a solution for a Microsoft product for older computers
would be great to prevent them from ending up in a landfill when they
still work. In addition, people become so used to their older computers
that they may not want to take the time to constantly buy new machines
or upgrade their hardware before it is needed. The nice thing about
98SE is that it is very friendly with older programs and runs a lot of
fairly modern programs but not all of course. In my opinion, it was the
height of the 9x technology movement which was brought crashing down
with Windows Millennium because this operating system removed easy
access to MS-DOS, had weaker hardware support functionality and
generally I feel that it was rushed out the door before it was fully
completed. The question of whether it was a deliberate attempt by
Microsoft to end the 9x source code or whether the 9x source code was
not up to the task of modern computing is subject to debate. Anyway, it
will be interesting to see how Vista does in the future.
You're welcome.
<reply in-line>
 
Alias~- wrote:

Tabbed browsing. On my last PC, I was happy to use IE 7 beta and
preferred it to Firefox in some ways; on this one I'm using Firefox
1.5.006 and that's meeting my needs.

Lack of tabbed browsing is reason enough for me to not want to go back
to IE 6, ever. I no longer need to open multiple pages now and read
them later (as I did when on pay-per-second dialup hell) but I still
like keeping related material together, and regularly have too many
tabs open to be visibly tabbed across 1024 pixels.

A typical "web binge" would start with a Google, kicking open the hits
as extra tabs, then reading those pages, kicking open any links of
interest in extra tabs. If I hit a Wikipedia link from the Google
search, I'll tend to open that in a new window as I often end up with
10+ tabs open just from a single Wikipedia article's links.

With IE 6, I'd have a flat mountain of loose windows, with no way to
see which is related to what. That's nearly as absurd as having to
save each sentence as a separate Word document file.
I guess not everyone is buying into the must upgrade mantra

The "must upgrade" mantra is no longer feature-driven, i.e. no longer
"try the new version and we'll give you these new shiny toys".

Instead, it's driven by poor quality of previous versions, i.e. "try
the new version or the defects in our old version will let you get
exploited". This is a very real threat, and drive to fix, fix, fix.
I feel that XP is much nicer to legacy programs than 2000 was but
I still feel that a solution for a Microsoft product for older computers
would be great to prevent them from ending up in a landfill

Agreed. The best would be to stay on the Win9x of your choice, use a
NAT router if on broadband, avoid WiFi, and use updateable 3rd-party
products for all Internet-exposed surfaces (e.g. Eudora for email,
Firefox for web, Winamp for media, Open Office, etc.)
98SE is very friendly with older programs and runs a lot of fairly
modern programs but not all of course. In my opinion, it was the
height of the 9x technology movement which was brought crashing
down with Windows Millennium because this operating system
removed easy access to MS-DOS

That can be fixed...

http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/me-dos.htm

The last Win9x that was safe out of the box, without having to change
anything, was pre-IE4 Win95 SR2. Win98 SE is the next safest, but
needs "View As Web Page" and some IE excesses to be killed. WinME can
be as good or better, but only if you kick some of the problems flat.

WinME was a strange mix of finally getting things right, and floating
proptotypes for new technologies such as System Restore in forms that
bordered on unfit for use. Removing DOS mode was technically
pointless (i.e. zero benefit) but crippled it down to Win2000/XP
limitations so that the Win9x market would better accept XP.
had weaker hardware support functionality

Actually, no - not as at 2006. Native support for USB storage as a
generic class means that any camera, SD card reader or USB flash drive
will work without extra drivers, and that is a MASSIVE win over
Win98SE. Enough to drive WinME past Win98SE as 9x of choice.
I feel that it was rushed out the door before it was fully completed.

WinME was stillborn, i.e. set up to fail, by the way MS released it.

First, there was no Resource Kit documentation, making it more
difficult for developers to get a handle on what had changed in the
OS, and encouraging the mistaken belief that it was just Win98 with
new paint, and that what worked in '98 would work in WinME.

Second, MS discouraged devs to commit resources to WinME, claiming
that it was the very last Win9x ever, soon to be replaced by
NT-everywhere, so as to entice more attention on Win2000.

Third, a number of pervasive and unavoidable changes were made, such
as System Restore, that made it easy for "deep" software to mess up.

These three issues may explain why Norton and McAfee products fare so
badly when on WinME, why Zone Alarm was such a pain, etc.


It's easy to think of WinME as a short0lived stop-gap, but check the
lifetimes of each OS...

1995 - 1998: 3 variants of Windows 95
1998 - 2000: 2 variants of Windows 98
2000 - 2002: 1 variant of Windows ME
2002 - 2007: 3-4 SP levels of Windows XP

If you break out each variant, then WinME has the longest tenure of
any Win9x. And yet there seem to be far more Win98xx PCs out there
than WinME; why is that?

One reason is that many users preferred Win98 SE to WinME thoughout
WinME's era, and some OEMs still shipped new PCs with Win98SE rather
than WinME. In contrast, all Win9x faded from new PCs almost as soon
as XP was released. By now, fast WinME PCs may have been migrated to
XP, while too-slow-for-XP (or "I prefer Win9x") systems have often
fallen back from WinME to Win98 SE.

Also interesting to note is that Win98 SE stayed on trade distributor
price lists after WinME had already vanished.

In short, it seems that no-one really wanted WinME. MS didn't want
it; they wanted you to spend more for Win2000 instead. Folks buying
into the NT/XP hype don't want it; they want XP. Folks not buying
into the hype don't want DOS-broken WinME, they want Win98 SE.
The question of whether it was a deliberate attempt by Microsoft
to end the 9x source code or whether the 9x source code was
not up to the task of modern computing is subject to debate.

Agreed. I know that MS wanted a common OS code base since the NT 4
days, hoping that Win2000 would fill this role. There wasn't even
supposed to be a Win98 SE, let alone a WinME; even as Win98 original
was being released, there were mutterings about "real PC users should
have switched to NT by now".

However, I can see why Win9x would not be suitable for new hardware.
To commit resources to building deep changes needed for generic USB
storage support, > 137G, 1G+ RAM, drivers for 9xx-generation chipsets
etc. just doesn't make sense, given the dwindling need for what only a
Win9x can do - i.e. run Win23.x and DOS programs better than NT.


I do think removing DOS mode from WinME was a sop to marketing. MS
was happy to demonize DOS, to make NT look better ("NT has no DOS"),
and by naming the last Win9x "Millenium" rather than "Windows 99" plus
faking the absence of DOS underpinnings, folks may think they are
buying some sort of "NT Lite".

Once used to WinME's lack of a maintenance DOS mode, users wouldn't
find this missing in XP to be a new objection to the NT family.

The truth about Win9x is that it never did "run on top of DOS", and
that it was crippled more by the legacy of Win3.yuk than DOS.


------------ ----- --- -- - - - -
Drugs are usually safe. Inject? (Y/n)
 
cquirke said:
Tabbed browsing. On my last PC, I was happy to use IE 7 beta and
preferred it to Firefox in some ways; on this one I'm using Firefox
1.5.006 and that's meeting my needs.

Lack of tabbed browsing is reason enough for me to not want to go back
to IE 6, ever. I no longer need to open multiple pages now and read
them later (as I did when on pay-per-second dialup hell) but I still
like keeping related material together, and regularly have too many
tabs open to be visibly tabbed across 1024 pixels.

A typical "web binge" would start with a Google, kicking open the hits
as extra tabs, then reading those pages, kicking open any links of
interest in extra tabs. If I hit a Wikipedia link from the Google
search, I'll tend to open that in a new window as I often end up with
10+ tabs open just from a single Wikipedia article's links.

With IE 6, I'd have a flat mountain of loose windows, with no way to
see which is related to what. That's nearly as absurd as having to
save each sentence as a separate Word document file.


The "must upgrade" mantra is no longer feature-driven, i.e. no longer
"try the new version and we'll give you these new shiny toys".

Instead, it's driven by poor quality of previous versions, i.e. "try
the new version or the defects in our old version will let you get
exploited". This is a very real threat, and drive to fix, fix, fix.


Agreed. The best would be to stay on the Win9x of your choice, use a
NAT router if on broadband, avoid WiFi, and use updateable 3rd-party
products for all Internet-exposed surfaces (e.g. Eudora for email,
Firefox for web, Winamp for media, Open Office, etc.)


That can be fixed...

http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/me-dos.htm

The last Win9x that was safe out of the box, without having to change
anything, was pre-IE4 Win95 SR2. Win98 SE is the next safest, but
needs "View As Web Page" and some IE excesses to be killed. WinME can
be as good or better, but only if you kick some of the problems flat.

WinME was a strange mix of finally getting things right, and floating
proptotypes for new technologies such as System Restore in forms that
bordered on unfit for use. Removing DOS mode was technically
pointless (i.e. zero benefit) but crippled it down to Win2000/XP
limitations so that the Win9x market would better accept XP.


Actually, no - not as at 2006. Native support for USB storage as a
generic class means that any camera, SD card reader or USB flash drive
will work without extra drivers, and that is a MASSIVE win over
Win98SE. Enough to drive WinME past Win98SE as 9x of choice.


WinME was stillborn, i.e. set up to fail, by the way MS released it.

First, there was no Resource Kit documentation, making it more
difficult for developers to get a handle on what had changed in the
OS, and encouraging the mistaken belief that it was just Win98 with
new paint, and that what worked in '98 would work in WinME.

Second, MS discouraged devs to commit resources to WinME, claiming
that it was the very last Win9x ever, soon to be replaced by
NT-everywhere, so as to entice more attention on Win2000.

Third, a number of pervasive and unavoidable changes were made, such
as System Restore, that made it easy for "deep" software to mess up.

These three issues may explain why Norton and McAfee products fare so
badly when on WinME, why Zone Alarm was such a pain, etc.


It's easy to think of WinME as a short0lived stop-gap, but check the
lifetimes of each OS...

1995 - 1998: 3 variants of Windows 95
1998 - 2000: 2 variants of Windows 98
2000 - 2002: 1 variant of Windows ME
2002 - 2007: 3-4 SP levels of Windows XP

If you break out each variant, then WinME has the longest tenure of
any Win9x. And yet there seem to be far more Win98xx PCs out there
than WinME; why is that?

One reason is that many users preferred Win98 SE to WinME thoughout
WinME's era, and some OEMs still shipped new PCs with Win98SE rather
than WinME. In contrast, all Win9x faded from new PCs almost as soon
as XP was released. By now, fast WinME PCs may have been migrated to
XP, while too-slow-for-XP (or "I prefer Win9x") systems have often
fallen back from WinME to Win98 SE.

Also interesting to note is that Win98 SE stayed on trade distributor
price lists after WinME had already vanished.

In short, it seems that no-one really wanted WinME. MS didn't want
it; they wanted you to spend more for Win2000 instead. Folks buying
into the NT/XP hype don't want it; they want XP. Folks not buying
into the hype don't want DOS-broken WinME, they want Win98 SE.


Agreed. I know that MS wanted a common OS code base since the NT 4
days, hoping that Win2000 would fill this role. There wasn't even
supposed to be a Win98 SE, let alone a WinME; even as Win98 original
was being released, there were mutterings about "real PC users should
have switched to NT by now".

However, I can see why Win9x would not be suitable for new hardware.
To commit resources to building deep changes needed for generic USB
storage support, > 137G, 1G+ RAM, drivers for 9xx-generation chipsets
etc. just doesn't make sense, given the dwindling need for what only a
Win9x can do - i.e. run Win23.x and DOS programs better than NT.


I do think removing DOS mode from WinME was a sop to marketing. MS
was happy to demonize DOS, to make NT look better ("NT has no DOS"),
and by naming the last Win9x "Millenium" rather than "Windows 99" plus
faking the absence of DOS underpinnings, folks may think they are
buying some sort of "NT Lite".

Once used to WinME's lack of a maintenance DOS mode, users wouldn't
find this missing in XP to be a new objection to the NT family.

The truth about Win9x is that it never did "run on top of DOS", and
that it was crippled more by the legacy of Win3.yuk than DOS.



Drugs are usually safe. Inject? (Y/n)

Thanks for your comments, Chris. I appreciate them. I now have an Ati
Radeon 9800 XT which is a great video card that is supported in 98SE
through Windows Millennium drivers. This video card has 256 mb's of ram
and is also supported in Vista. It is the best Ati video card that I
can buy that is supported in Windows 98SE. I plan to upgrade my memory
from 512 mb's to 1 or 2 gigabytes to be able to support premium Vista
which I plan to test on a separate partition for security
vulnerabilities. I will make the appropriate changes for the memory for
98SE. I certainly enjoy tinkering, customizing and upgrading my
computer and plan to continue to use 98SE for as long as possible. I am
fairly safe behind a hardware firewall in my router and also have Zone
Alarm Professional for the software firewall as an added precaution. I
actually feel safer on the Internet using 98SE than XP Pro. because I
know so much about 98SE and also since secunia.com talks about many more
vulnerabilities in XP currently than a fully patched 98SE computer.
Vendor Microsoft

Product Link N/A

Affected By 32 Secunia advisories

Unpatched 9% (3 of 32 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
The most severe unpatched Secunia advisory affecting Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition,

with all vendor patches applied, is rated Less critical
Vendor Microsoft

Product Link N/A

Affected By 150 Secunia advisories

Unpatched 19% (28 of 150 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
The most severe unpatched Secunia advisory affecting Microsoft Windows XP Professional,

with all vendor patches applied, is rated Highly critical

This presents us with questions. Why is XP Professional touted as so
secure if it still has all these vulnerabilities. Perhaps this helps to
explain why 98SE is still very popular as well as probably being popular
for easily supporting legacy programs. Next, someone says Windows 2000
Professional is secure and I say not really at least according to secunia.
Vendor Microsoft

Product Link View Here (Link to external site)

Affected By 129 Secunia advisories

Unpatched 15% (19 of 129 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
The most severe unpatched Secunia advisory affecting Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional,

with all vendor patches applied, is rated Highly critical

Okay, now let us check about Windows 95 that is fully patched.
Vendor Microsoft

Product Link N/A

Affected By 7 Secunia advisories

Unpatched 43% (3 of 7 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
The most severe unpatched Secunia advisory affecting Microsoft Windows 95,

with all vendor patches applied, is rated Moderately critical
Well it still seems more problematic then a fully patched 98SE.
Finally, let us check Windows
98 (which lacks USB support) and Windows ME. (which has crippled easy
access to DOS)
endor Microsoft

Product Link N/A

Affected By 31 Secunia advisories

Unpatched 10% (3 of 31 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
The most severe unpatched Secunia advisory affecting Microsoft Windows 98,

with all vendor patches applied, is rated Less critical.

Windows 98 is has 3 less critical vulnerabilities just like 98SE.
Vendor Microsoft

Product Link N/A

Affected By 35 Secunia advisories

Unpatched 9% (3 of 35 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
The most severe unpatched Secunia advisory affecting Microsoft Windows Millenium,

with all vendor patches applied, is rated Less critical

Windows Millennium also suffers from 3 less critical vulnerabilities.
This brings us to the surprise that 98, 98SE and ME have less
vulnerabilities than XP Professional and Home too which you can look up
and see for yourself. The statement that users are advised to upgrade
to a current operating system for more security don't really seem to
make sense to me. As long as Windows 98SE has a hardware firewall
behind it with an anti-virus program and some antispyware programs and
you use good and safe web practices then you should be fairly safe on
the Internet.
 
<snip>

Thanks for setting the record straight on the hardware support
functionality of Windows 98SE compared to Windows ME. I have copied
your information down for future reference. Chris, I really appreciate
you taking the time to offer such a detailed and good answer to my post.
Have a nice day and see you later.
 
I also installed IE7 and instantly was asking the same question. How do I get
rid of it and get 6 back. The advice from got from this site was fast and
worked. the only problem is after getting rid of IE7 and returning back to 6
a lot of sites freeze up, my e-mail program freezes up. I'm no computer
wizzard but seems like "every" time Microsoft puts something like this out I
have to get used to the stuff it screwed up. For the record before installing
IE7 my computer worked perfectly. I wish it still did.
 

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