Freeware and only freeware?

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_ceed_

Hi,

I was wondering if people in this newsgroup are "freeware only" users, or
if most people look at freeware as one way of distributing software while
also using commercial software when it makes sense? In the Linux world you
have the open source "fanatics" who won't use anything but free open
source software because they feel everything else is "evil". Is that the
case here when it comes to commercial software? Personally I hope not
since I like diversity both for developent and distribution of software.
 
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ceg

I prefer freeware or open source as a priority, but will resort to
commercial ware if need be. My first searches include places like google,
metacrawler, lycos, sourceforge, hotscripts, and planet-source-code with
a.c.f. being the last place I'll look if I absolutely can't find what I'm
looking for anyplace else. I lean toward programming and various
servers...email, web, ftp, etc...and neither one seems to pull much weight
around here.

"_ceed_"
 
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Paul Urquhart

_ceed_ said:
Hi,

I was wondering if people in this newsgroup are "freeware only" users,
or if most people look at freeware as one way of distributing software
while also using commercial software when it makes sense? In the Linux
world you have the open source "fanatics" who won't use anything but
free open source software because they feel everything else is "evil".
Is that the case here when it comes to commercial software? Personally
I hope not since I like diversity both for developent and distribution
of software.

Don't encourage them with open-ended questions - they'll want to vote on
it ;-)

My impression is that most a.c.f. participants prefer freeware, and open
source freeware has pride of place, but most will use payware if
necessary to get the job done - even M$FTware.
 
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Rod

_ceed_
<ceed@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijk.com
wrote in news:blush:psjqg9q0ti9k0l8@bob:
Hi,

I was wondering if people in this newsgroup are "freeware only" users,
or if most people look at freeware as one way of distributing
software while also using commercial software when it makes sense? In
the Linux world you have the open source "fanatics" who won't use
anything but free open source software because they feel everything
else is "evil". Is that the case here when it comes to commercial
software? Personally I hope not since I like diversity both for
developent and distribution of software.

OS: win98SE is paid for, the rest of my software, all of it, is freeware.
So far I never came up empty searching for a freeware solution for my
needs. The only program I ever considered buying was Sytem Mechanic,
because it does an all in one job that I could only get from combining
several freeware programs. Being dutch I decided to keep my money.
Would I buy a program if I needed it and couldn't find a freeware
alternative ? Sure. Easy to say, as my needs aren't very high and I doubt
this will ever happen.
Is buyware evil ? Absolutely not. People put money, skills and effort in
developing software. They have the right to get compensation for that.
That's how the world works. The hippie-era is behind us.
And buyware also puts the freeware in a different perspective, if there was
no buyware, freeware programmers would probably be slaughtered together
with Bill G. for mistakes we call minor annoying bugs now.
 
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Onno Tasler

_ceed_ scribebat:
I was wondering if people in this newsgroup are "freeware only" users, or
if most people look at freeware as one way of distributing software while
also using commercial software when it makes sense?

Well, I like freeware because one does not have to pay for it ;) and the
authors are usually quite nice, but I am not fanatical into it. I have
several commercial programmes as well, as they fit my needs.
 
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El Gee

_ceed_
<ceed@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijk.com
wrote in news:blush:psjqg9q0ti9k0l8@bob:
Hi,

I was wondering if people in this newsgroup are "freeware only" users,
or if most people look at freeware as one way of distributing
software while also using commercial software when it makes sense? In
the Linux world you have the open source "fanatics" who won't use
anything but free open source software because they feel everything
else is "evil". Is that the case here when it comes to commercial
software? Personally I hope not since I like diversity both for
developent and distribution of software.

I use Win2k and all my software is freeware except MS Office (and I
would love to switch to OO.o but the wife...). I use a ton of freeware.


Now on my sandbox, I have Ubuntu Linux (still needs to mature some) and
all GPL/freeware stuff.

--
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El Gee

Boycott the American Civil Liberties Union.
Disband the United Nations.
Fight for the Freedom God gave you.
http://mcwtlg.blogspot.com/

Remove yourhat to reply ... but it may take a while.
Best to go to www (dot) mistergeek (dot) com and reply from there.
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Conor

Hi,

I was wondering if people in this newsgroup are "freeware only" users, or
if most people look at freeware as one way of distributing software while
also using commercial software when it makes sense? In the Linux world you
have the open source "fanatics" who won't use anything but free open
source software because they feel everything else is "evil". Is that the
case here when it comes to commercial software? Personally I hope not
since I like diversity both for developent and distribution of software.
[/QUOTE]
Definitely not the case here. If there's a freeware app perfectly up to
the job then it gets mentioned. If there isn't, commercial software is
recommended.

The idea of this group IMO is to try to prevent people needlessly
wasting money on commercial software but not to have them needlessly
wasting time trying to get something that doesn't exist.
 
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Ron May

_ceed_
<ceed@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijk.com>
wrote in
Message-ID said:
Hi,

I was wondering if people in this newsgroup are "freeware only" users, or
if most people look at freeware as one way of distributing software while
also using commercial software when it makes sense? In the Linux world you
have the open source "fanatics" who won't use anything but free open
source software because they feel everything else is "evil". Is that the
case here when it comes to commercial software? Personally I hope not
since I like diversity both for developent and distribution of software.


Few if any of the participants here have attitudes even remotely close
to those you describe. For example, I'm running Win XP Home SP2 and
this is being posted with a registered version of Forte Agent.
Probably about eighty percent of the software I use at home, though,
is freeware, mostly dabbling in in graphics, music, internet and a
variety of text based applications.

What you need to keep in mind, however, is that this is a FREEWARE
discussion group, and if that's what you're looking for, you've found
the right place. On the other hand, while considering the pros and
cons of shareware and commercial software might be entirely
appropriate in another venue, this newsgroup is obviously not a place
where you can expect to find the "diversity both for developent and
distribution of software" you may be looking for.

Ron M.
 
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Bob Adkins

Hi,

I was wondering if people in this newsgroup are "freeware only" users, or
if most people look at freeware as one way of distributing software while
also using commercial software when it makes sense? In the Linux world you
have the open source "fanatics" who won't use anything but free open
source software because they feel everything else is "evil". Is that the
case here when it comes to commercial software? Personally I hope not
since I like diversity both for developent and distribution of software.

I must use whatever does the job, according to the importance of the job. If
I can't find Freeware that I can rely on, I use Shareware or shrink wrap. If
the job is important enough, I would spend $3000 for a program. Lucky for me
that Freeware does 90% of my tasks. :)

No software is evil. It doesn't make sense to avoid extremely useful
software or suffer with useless software because of silly politics. We
should always reward excellence and punish mediocrity.

-- Bob
 
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Bob Adkins

I use Win2k and all my software is freeware except MS Office (and I
would love to switch to OO.o but the wife...). I use a ton of freeware.

I feel your pain. ;)

-- Bob
 
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Jem Berkes

I use Win2k and all my software is freeware except MS Office (and I
I feel your pain. ;)

I've solved most of the difficulties by dual booting Linux for some of my
work. All the standard software is free (server and email software is most
important for me).

For Windows software, I have probably paid more for shareware/demo
registrations than outright purchases of retail software. For example I
have paid for mIRC, Opera, CoolEdit96. Come to think of it, I have paid for
Slackware Linux CDs too.
 
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El Gee

I've solved most of the difficulties by dual booting Linux for some of
my work. All the standard software is free (server and email software
is most important for me).

For Windows software, I have probably paid more for shareware/demo
registrations than outright purchases of retail software. For example
I have paid for mIRC, Opera, CoolEdit96. Come to think of it, I have
paid for Slackware Linux CDs too.

Actually this would not fix my "problem" :). I want to entirely
gpl/freeware ... I do not mind the OS being Microsoft, but my firm
belief is that OS's should be free. I am sure that once ReactOS get's
rolling, MS will have competition in the Windows arena.

--
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
El Gee

Boycott the American Civil Liberties Union.
Disband the United Nations.
Fight for the Freedom God gave you.
http://mcwtlg.blogspot.com/

Remove yourhat to reply ... but it may take a while.
Best to go to www (dot) mistergeek (dot) com and reply from there.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
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Chaos Master

_ceed_ said:
Hi,

I was wondering if people in this newsgroup are "freeware only" users, or
if most people look at freeware as one way of distributing software while
also using commercial software when it makes sense? In the Linux world you
have the open source "fanatics" who won't use anything but free open
source software because they feel everything else is "evil". Is that the
case here when it comes to commercial software? Personally I hope not
since I like diversity both for developent and distribution of software.

I use some payware, like the electronics design tools I use and programs
like Photoshop.

[]s
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4. LCK - before MMX: NOP ; after MMX: executes F0 0F C7 C8
5. HCF - Halt and Catch Fire"
 
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Father Merrin

_ceed_ said:
Hi,

I was wondering if people in this newsgroup are "freeware only"
users, or if most people look at freeware as one way of distributing
software while also using commercial software when it makes sense?
In the Linux world you have the open source "fanatics" who won't use
anything but free open source software because they feel everything
else is "evil". Is that the case here when it comes to commercial
software? Personally I hope not since I like diversity both for
developent and distribution of software.

I use some payware, like the electronics design tools I use and
programs like Photoshop.

[]s


I purchased my OS, development environment, games (3D), anti-virus and
DVD video mastering software. Otherwise, I rely solely on freeware
applications as most are adequate for my needs.

FM
 
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Anonymous

Hi,

I was wondering if people in this newsgroup are "freeware only" users, or
if most people look at freeware as one way of distributing software while
also using commercial software when it makes sense? In the Linux world you
have the open source "fanatics" who won't use anything but free open
source software because they feel everything else is "evil". Is that the
case here when it comes to commercial software? Personally I hope not
since I like diversity both for developent and distribution of software.

I would buy payware if there was no freeware alternative, but 100% of my software (except for
the Win '98 OS) is freeware. I even got Office for free when a relative moved to Linux.

For some of us freeware is really the only option (and very much appreciated - thanks authors!).
Like many other people, I am on a low income & cannot afford to buy software (I don't even earn
enough to allow me to get a credit card - big purchasing restriction!).

I suppose it's horses for courses - you go with what does the job for you. If a freeware
program isn't up to your requirements, then there's no shame in buying something better.
 
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Roger Johansson

Anonymous said:
For some of us freeware is really the only option (and very much
appreciated - thanks authors!).

When I use a program a lot I often try to help out with its development,
by sending the programmer suggestions and ideas, or through participation
in a mailing list for the program. I prefer helping to develop a freeware
program, and even better if it is open source, so other programmers can
take over when/if the original programmers loses interest.

To me it is also about solidarity with poor people all over the world. I
don't want to support commercial software because it is only available to
fairly wealthy people in the rich part of the world. I support free
software and free information for all people.

6 billion people can use computers and internet and learn to cooperate,
to think together, in a peaceful and democratic way through discussion
and voting.

Mankind will soon rule itself instead of being ruled by a few, and free
software is an important factor in that process.
 
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Eric Schreiber

_ceed_ said:
I was wondering if people in this newsgroup are "freeware only"
users, or if most people look at freeware as one way of distributing
software while also using commercial software when it makes sense?

I'm a software developer - some freeware and some commercial software,
but mostly contract programming. My concern is always to find the best
mix of price vs. "gets the job done". Since I own my own business, I'll
almost always go for freeware when I can, or on occasion write a
program to do a specific job. But I don't hesitate to spend the money
when I need to, especially for my programming and business needs. My
current suite of development toolkits is probably worth over $5000. I'm
not going to work out the exact number for fear it's much higher :)

As for why I write freeware, there are a couple of reasons. First, I
use freeware, so I like to contribute to that community from time to
time.

Second, it feeds my ego (as if it needed more feeding!) - I get a kick
out of knowing there are lots of people using my programs, and hearing
from them now and again.

Third, it's easy - if I've taken the trouble to write a simple program
for some in-house purpose (which is how most of my freeware came
about), it isn't much more effort to pretty them up and pop them onto
the web page for others to use.

Finally, it's good advertising. For example, my text editor Prolix is
freeware for non-commercial use. That got a lot of individuals to try
it, and some of them got their employers to buy copies. A few of those
in turn came to me for custom contract projects. I estimate that since
I first released Prolix nine years ago, it has directly and indirectly
earned me something like $20,000. That's pizza and beer money, plus
change.
 

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