Fool Me Twice...... ATI got me

[bob cox]

20 bucks says he writes back and says "you're wrong, ti couldn't be my
setup, nividia cards work just fine"

No point replying to someone who sees the words they WANT to see.

 

[Judge]

After all the replies, I responded to this one because cox bobber is
right - Nvidia cards DO work fine.

Gentlemen please, read everything before commenting next time. If you
had read what I said, I plainly stated that :

A - the problem was reproduced on two completely different machines
(totally different manufacturers in the way of cases, motherboards
(even the chipsets were different!) and all other hardware).

B - both the 9200 and the 9600 Pro did the same thing.

C - the problem occurs in both an old install (that once had a nvidia
card installed) and a fresh install (that was loaded with the ati card
in place)

D - the displays tab shows the monitor as not connected, therefore any
adjustments can NOT be made within the ATI control panel. The ATI
drivers REFUSE to acknowledge the INF file of ANY monitor, unless it
sees it on a hard connection level. This is just plain stupid on the
ATI developer's part.

E - I WOULD like help, and a solution. However I feel like this is
PURELY an ATI problem on the desktop level. I will agree to the 60hz
problem in gaming level (D3D/OpenGL) but no other card in my
experience has EVER had a problem with refresh rates at the desktop
level. This problem can not be reproduced by any other brand of
graphic card..... so again - ATI is solely responsible for this.

F - I have found a solution by using the refresh fix at www.radeon2.ru
However I am still PISSED that a company with the resources and power
of ATI cannot take care of such a menial problem. The very idea that a
private citizen of a foreign country can write a patch when the
in-house developers cant is sickening.

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[TMack]

After all the replies, I responded to this one because cox bobber is
right - Nvidia cards DO work fine.

Gentlemen please, read everything before commenting next time. If you
had read what I said, I plainly stated that :

SNIP long whine

F - I have found a solution by using the refresh fix at www.radeon2.ru

SNIP!

Simple problem, simple solution - no need to throw your teddy bear out of
your pram. You are obviously using a non-DDC monitor. Perhaps the problem
is more due to your crappy out-of-date or non-standard monitor than anything
to do with ATI

Tony

 

[bob cox]

Garbage people usually use garbage equipment. Like the Judge there.

He's so good at diagnosing things tho... you gotta give him that.
None of that scientific bullshit for him, he diagnoses problems with
rumors, assumptions and innuendo!

 

[Judge]

LOL... garbage? My case cost more than your house.

 

[Strontium]

I guess that explains why you are using a Viewsonic monitor.

-
Judge stood up at show-n-tell, in
(e-mail address removed), and said:

 

[KCB]

You will save yourself a lot of heartache, and stress, if you stop wanting
to 'blame' anyone. Figure out the SOURCE of the issue, then cast blame.
From where I sit, it seems that it's your monitor combined with the video
card drivers AND XP. Have you investigated your monitor mfg's website for
issues? Have you thorougly made sure that your monitor is GENUINELY
recognized correctly, by XP?

But, like I said, you are a minority. If it WERE ATI, I would think we'd
see a lot of people chiming in about now...don't you think? This IS an ATI
group, after all. So, what does that tell you? Noone else seems to have
this problem, yet you do...so blame ATI...yeah, right.

He probably didn't UN-install and start with VGA. That one simple item has
hosed more systems, and all for the fact that some people are too lazy to
take an extra 2.5 minutes to uninstall - reboot - install. I haven't seen
this problem anywhere else.

 

[Robert Pendell]

For everyone's sake, I will say this now. Windows XP has the refresh rate
problem. This happens mostly in games where for some reason, full screen 3d
games will drop to 60HZ refresh rate. On nvidia cards, this is worsened by
the fact that it will vsync to the refresh rate by default so that it is
noticed (60FPS max in games). On nvidia cards, this is worked around by
turning off vsync. At the moment, the only way to correct this is to use a
Refresh Rate force utility. Nvidia includes one in their display
properties. If you use Omega Drivers, the author includes an utility that
will allow you to set forced refresh rates but I have never needed to do
this since I don't care what the refresh rate it. As long as my fps isn't
limited by my refresh rate, I am fine.

Just a FYI, I have a nvidia card and sometimes my screen will simply revert
to 60hz where I usually set the desktop to 85hz. I know it did this when my
screen is not "square" anymore. I simply go into advanced display
properties, set it to some other safe refresh rate then back to 85hz.

 

[JAD]

well then, that makes you even more questionable in regards to common sense, since you won't verify any of the OP legitimate posts
but rather the ones that will instantly get a rise.......CYA fisherman...

 

[bob cox]

I noticed he did not refute that HE is garbage... he merely defended
his computer case... and he wishes he could afford a house in NOVA.
But janitors don't get paid enough for that.

 

[Judge]

I came here for intelligent help, figuring surely this problem had
been seen before. The refresh rate problem is VERY common with the ATI
stuff, just google it or go to ATI's website and search it. What I
didnt address this group for was a pissing contest with the resident
troll. Somewhere, you're depriving a village of their idiot....

 

[Judge]

one test box was a clean install, the only card ever in it was the ATI
9200. The other I will admit I didnt not do safe mode load, but I did
after that and still with the problems.

 

[Strontium]

If it's so 'common' with ATI, and you're such a Google expert, why did you
even need to come to this forum? Inquiring minds want to know. Your
replies, coupled with your original post, seem to contradict the whole
'idiot' theory. Got a mirror?

 

[TMack]

For everyone's sake, I will say this now. Windows XP has the refresh rate
problem.

SNIP!

For everyone's sake, I will say this now. Recent ATI drivers use the DDC
information from the monitor to 'read' its refresh rates. If the monitor
does not provide DDC information then its refresh rates will not be
available for the drivers to read. This is only a problem for old or
defective monitors that do not provide DDC information. The problem with
such monitors has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WELL KNOWN WIN2K AND WINXP REFRESH
RATE PROBLEM.

Tony

 

[Strontium]

-
TMack stood up at show-n-tell, in
[email protected], and said:

SNIP!

For everyone's sake, I will say this now. Recent ATI drivers use the
DDC information from the monitor to 'read' its refresh rates. If the
monitor does not provide DDC information then its refresh rates will
not be available for the drivers to read.

And, is easily fixed by inputting max refresh/res and hitting 'apply'. The
DDC checkmark, then, disappears. The whole RR problem, as well, vanishes at
that point. That's what 'idiot-boy' Judge seems to misunderstand. Screw
'em. Let him think it's ATI's fault that he doesn't know wtf he's doing.
nVidia needs more customers, anyway. Well of human...oh, nevermind.

 

[Mike B]

I wouldn't say it is completely ATI's fault. It's most likely your setup,
and simple incompatibilities. Maybe some remnant Nvidia reg entries or
driver files.

All i know is, i've been an Nvidia user much longer than i have ATI, so i
know that Nvidia has driver issues just as well. I have been using a
9700pro, and have been extremely happy with it so far

 

[Cobblers!]

I was using 3.9's then tried the Omega drivers. No such tab, because
the card does not see my monitor as being hooked up. Everything else
does, just not the ATI cards. And, I might add this is NOT a gaming
issue, this is a desktop level issue. My desktop refresh rate is stuck
at 60hz, unless I use some sort of 3rd party fix. For the prices and
hype - a decent rate is not too much to ask for.

Get with the program dudette and buy an LCD monitor. Refresh rate? WTF
is that for?

 

[Wblane]

Finally someone who agrees with me. I've had more problems w/my 9500 Pro than
with my Hercules Dynamite Power VLB, Matrox Mystique, 3dFX Voodoo 3/2000,
Savage4 Pro and GeForce 2/GTS put together. I live in fear of Smartgart and the
next time IT decides to turn off AGP Writes/Reads, fastwrites and AGP 8X. ATI
is the first video card manufacturer to make it on my don't buy list.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me....

So I left the ranks of the nVidia owners, and bought two cards, a 9200
for my workstation and a 9600 Pro for my play machine. Both did the
exact same thing......

*($^%^#%^*( REFRESH RATE PROBLEM!

What moron at ATI keeps whatever idiot in programming, that cant write
a driver to save his life? First of all, I dont want to hear that it's
an "XP Problem" because it is not. I have NEVER had another card do
this - not nVidia, not Savage, not even taiwan onboard junk.

What's so pathetic, is some guy in Russia can write a fix, probably
while sitting on the crapper! ATI is RAPING us with their price

-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)

 

[J.Clarke]

That was not my point. Viewsonic monitors are a 'price point' mfg.
Period. I've used them, for over ten years, in industry. Yes, they
are good. But, they are budget, plain and simple.

The VP2290 is "budget"? Do tell.

In point of fact they do make a "price point" line, "Optiquest" but they
make a number of other product lines as well.

 

[bob cox]

If you are too stupid too remove the smartgart via the removal
utility, then I highly doubt you are even intelligent enough to return
the card back to the store. Tell whoever you have posting for you
that they need to take you there.