Fool Me Twice...... ATI got me

[Judge]

I've been around the PC game longer than I care to remember, and I
remember waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back when ATI was really the only choice
for video cards. Later on, when others came into the market, ATI still
made good hardware, but made the worst drivers in the business. I've
stayed away from their products since 1998 for this very reason.

But here we are and ATI is making the top dog in video chips, and
everyone was saying "Oooh, they have their shit together now, they are
finally making good drivers"

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me....

So I left the ranks of the nVidia owners, and bought two cards, a 9200
for my workstation and a 9600 Pro for my play machine. Both did the
exact same thing......

*($^%^#%^*( REFRESH RATE PROBLEM!

What moron at ATI keeps whatever idiot in programming, that cant write
a driver to save his life? First of all, I dont want to hear that it's
an "XP Problem" because it is not. I have NEVER had another card do
this - not nVidia, not Savage, not even taiwan onboard junk.

What's so pathetic, is some guy in Russia can write a fix, probably
while sitting on the crapper! ATI is RAPING us with their price
gouging, and cant put together a simple fix for this notorious
problem.

OK you rotten canucks - you got my money again. But this is the LAST
time I will EVER buy an ATI product. I'd rather use a Voodoo2 and a
Matrox 2d card than suffer through another driver nightmare at the
hands of the worlds worst coders.

Whew, glad to get that off my chest. Now back to "my friend flicker'
lol

Judge

 

[Strontium]

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Judge stood up at show-n-tell, in
(e-mail address removed), and said:

I've been around the PC game longer than I care to remember, and I
remember waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back when ATI was really the only choice
for video cards. Later on, when others came into the market, ATI still
made good hardware, but made the worst drivers in the business. I've
stayed away from their products since 1998 for this very reason.

But here we are and ATI is making the top dog in video chips, and
everyone was saying "Oooh, they have their shit together now, they are
finally making good drivers"

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me....

So I left the ranks of the nVidia owners, and bought two cards, a 9200
for my workstation and a 9600 Pro for my play machine. Both did the
exact same thing......

*($^%^#%^*( REFRESH RATE PROBLEM!

What moron at ATI keeps whatever idiot in programming, that cant write
a driver to save his life? First of all, I dont want to hear that it's
an "XP Problem" because it is not. I have NEVER had another card do
this - not nVidia, not Savage, not even taiwan onboard junk.

What's so pathetic, is some guy in Russia can write a fix, probably
while sitting on the crapper! ATI is RAPING us with their price
gouging, and cant put together a simple fix for this notorious
problem.

OK you rotten canucks - you got my money again. But this is the LAST
time I will EVER buy an ATI product. I'd rather use a Voodoo2 and a
Matrox 2d card than suffer through another driver nightmare at the
hands of the worlds worst coders.

Whew, glad to get that off my chest. Now back to "my friend flicker'
lol

LMAO! Ummmm what drivers are you using? In the 3.7's, under 'Displays',
you can select 'same as desktop' in a dropdown box and set the max
refresh/res. It, then, keeps that refresh rate (after you apply it to
'monitor' tab) regardless of game, app, etc....

 

[Mike P]

You're not too easy to fool are you.

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Judge stood up at show-n-tell, in
(e-mail address removed), and said:


LMAO! Ummmm what drivers are you using? In the 3.7's, under 'Displays',
you can select 'same as desktop' in a dropdown box and set the max
refresh/res. It, then, keeps that refresh rate (after you apply it to
'monitor' tab) regardless of game, app, etc....



--
Strontium

"It's no surprise, to me. I am my own worst enemy. `Cause every
now, and then, I kick the livin' shit `outta me." - Lit

 

[Judge]

I was using 3.9's then tried the Omega drivers. No such tab, because
the card does not see my monitor as being hooked up. Everything else
does, just not the ATI cards. And, I might add this is NOT a gaming
issue, this is a desktop level issue. My desktop refresh rate is stuck
at 60hz, unless I use some sort of 3rd party fix. For the prices and
hype - a decent rate is not too much to ask for.

 

[Strontium]

Hmmmm. First thing I noticed, after switching over from nVidia, was that I
no longer had to use ReForce to keep my refresh rate at 75Hz in games... I
don't know what crack Judge is smoking. But, the nVidia drivers had the
same issue with keeping refresh rates in games. ATI, at least, put a fix in
their drivers. I'm inclined to believe the "it's an XP issue" statement.

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Mike P stood up at show-n-tell, in
[email protected], and said:

 

[Strontium]

Well, if you can't get the desktop to anything but 60Hz, I don't see how you
can blame ATI. If your monitor is not recognized by XP, how is that ATI's
fault? Update the driver for the monitor, unchecking 'show compatible..'
when you tell XP to manually search for the driver. Then, select the make
and model of your monitor.

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Judge stood up at show-n-tell, in
(e-mail address removed), and said:

 

[CipheR]

I was using 3.9's then tried the Omega drivers. No such tab, because
the card does not see my monitor as being hooked up. Everything else
does, just not the ATI cards. And, I might add this is NOT a gaming
issue, this is a desktop level issue. My desktop refresh rate is stuck
at 60hz, unless I use some sort of 3rd party fix. For the prices and
hype - a decent rate is not too much to ask for.

That option is there for me on both my Radeon's 1 using 3.7's and 1
using 3.9's...

CipheR

 

[Inglo]

I was using 3.9's then tried the Omega drivers. No such tab, because
the card does not see my monitor as being hooked up. Everything else
does, just not the ATI cards. And, I might add this is NOT a gaming
issue, this is a desktop level issue. My desktop refresh rate is stuck
at 60hz, unless I use some sort of 3rd party fix. For the prices and
hype - a decent rate is not too much to ask for.

Have you tried switching adapters? The primary adapter sees my monitor
fine, but the secondary just uses a default monitor. If you somehow got
those switched it would cause the problems you're having.

 

[Judge]

Nvidia stuff always did what it promised. Like everyone else, it took
them a while to give us a full on refresh rate page in the control
panel, but it's been there for a while now.

 

[Judge]

I'll tell you why I blame ATI - because the other cards DO transmit
the proper data through to windows, and thus the OS sees it. I did
update the monitor driver, in fact I even tried several others just to
'lie' to it and see if it might be a Viewsonic problem. Nope, purely
ATI.

 

[Judge]

Yeah, I thought about that... I hooked the DVI adapter up to input2,
same results. Also, I switched them around in the control panel, to no
avail.

 

[Strontium]

Well, since you seem to be a minority with this problem....it would seem
that you have issues that cannot be blamed on ATI.

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Judge stood up at show-n-tell, in
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[Judge]

I'm gonna have to disagree - when the only thing to change is the
video card - ATI - and when I tried three video cards - 2 brand new
ATI's and one nVidia - and the problem only exists when using an ATI
card, how is anything else at fault? It is a reproduceable problem so
it's not a 'ghost' - it's just another example ATI's inability to
create a comprehensive working driver. If I were using obscure
hardware it would be different, but Viewsonic?

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[JAD]

before you go to far, check device manager in safe mode for a ghost listing of the nvidia card...then look in X:/windows/INF/other
and see if the nvidia INF file has been left behind.

 

[Mike P]

It is a well known XP issue.

Mike

Hmmmm. First thing I noticed, after switching over from nVidia, was that I
no longer had to use ReForce to keep my refresh rate at 75Hz in games... I
don't know what crack Judge is smoking. But, the nVidia drivers had the
same issue with keeping refresh rates in games. ATI, at least, put a fix in
their drivers. I'm inclined to believe the "it's an XP issue" statement.

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Mike P stood up at show-n-tell, in
[email protected], and said:


--
Strontium

"It's no surprise, to me. I am my own worst enemy. `Cause every
now, and then, I kick the livin' shit `outta me." - Lit

 

[Strontium]

You will save yourself a lot of heartache, and stress, if you stop wanting
to 'blame' anyone. Figure out the SOURCE of the issue, then cast blame.
From where I sit, it seems that it's your monitor combined with the video
card drivers AND XP. Have you investigated your monitor mfg's website for
issues? Have you thorougly made sure that your monitor is GENUINELY
recognized correctly, by XP?

But, like I said, you are a minority. If it WERE ATI, I would think we'd
see a lot of people chiming in about now...don't you think? This IS an ATI
group, after all. So, what does that tell you? Noone else seems to have
this problem, yet you do...so blame ATI...yeah, right.


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Judge stood up at show-n-tell, in
(e-mail address removed), and said:

 

[Guest]

The problem is in the display adapter ->advanced control panel the
einsteins at ATI have you set the refresh rate in TWO places *IF* the
monitor doesn't support DCC. So under the ATI display page where it
shows the TV & monitor.. click on the monitor, then set refresh rate
there. Don't ask me why they do this, it should follow what you set
it for back in the monitor tab, but noooo... they are still having
major issues in the drivers for some systems.

 

[bob cox]

Your right, the video cards probably are to blame. Your sytem is crap
so it won't accept them. Try another system and see if the same
problems happen.

 

[bob cox]

It may help you to know nobody here really "cares" anyway, you clearly
don't want the help and just want to bitch like a little girl.

 

[Mike B]

I wouldn't say it is completely ATI's fault. It's most likely your setup,
and simple incompatibilities. Maybe some remnant Nvidia reg entries or
driver files.

All i know is, i've been an Nvidia user much longer than i have ATI, so i
know that Nvidia has driver issues just as well. I have been using a
9700pro, and have been extremely happy with it so far