fonts change in graphs within PPPT

[Guest]

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts within the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial, nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the font magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the Times family or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font appears on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that item it shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be changing the font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it? Thanks.

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts within the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial, nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the font magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the Times family or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font appears on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that item it shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be changing the font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

It's worth trying this:

Tools, Options, Edit tab
Remove the check next to

Charts:
New charts take on PowerPoint font

I don't really think this is the cause, since when this is checked the behavior
is a bit differnt. But it's free and quick to try ...

 

[Echo S]

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just going to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the same
happen in PPT charts.

 

[Guest]

Thanks Steve, good thought, but that didn't do it. The font itself isn't
changing -- from the standpoint of the settings. It's the way the font
appears. In other words, after this has happened, if I click on that chart
again to enter it, the Arial font magically is being shown, the chart
actually changes appearance just by entering it.

 

[Guest]

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they are way too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7 or 8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size 14 or so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every <i>other</i> label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into -- all the labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph back to PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making the fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just going to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial, nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the Times family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font appears on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that item it shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be changing the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it? Thanks.

 

[Echo S]

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as if you'd be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem not to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format Chart Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the slide to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100% x 100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to 12 or 14 pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide. This will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size when the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they are way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7 or 8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size 14 or so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every <i>other</i> label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into -- all the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph back to PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making the fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be changing the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it? Thanks.

 

[Guest]

Thanks Echo, yes that pretty much fixed my problems. It was a pain to have to
go back and change all the graphs, but worth it since they now behave more
like I want and expect and don't keep changing appearance. This fix also
cleared up, for the most part, some other problems I was having with font
appearance that must have been due to the same small font size issue.

Many thanks for your quick and clear response!!

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as if you'd be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem not to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format Chart Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the slide to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100% x 100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to 12 or 14 pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide. This will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size when the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they are way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7 or 8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size 14 or so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every <i>other</i> label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into -- all the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph back to PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making the fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be changing the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it? Thanks.

 

[Echo S]

Yeah, it's definitely a pain to have to fix a bunch of charts (been there,
done that), but it's worth it in the long run.

Glad to hear it's resolved things for you.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Thanks Echo, yes that pretty much fixed my problems. It was a pain to have
to
go back and change all the graphs, but worth it since they now behave more
like I want and expect and don't keep changing appearance. This fix also
cleared up, for the most part, some other problems I was having with font
appearance that must have been due to the same small font size issue.

Many thanks for your quick and clear response!!

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as if you'd
be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem not to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format Chart
Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the slide to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100% x
100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to 12 or 14
pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide. This
will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size when
the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they are
way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7 or 8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size 14 or
so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every <i>other</i>
label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into -- all the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph back to
PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making the
fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

:

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just
going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really
small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the
same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts
within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a
given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font
appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be changing
the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it? Thanks.

 

[Guest]

Has any one ever run across an issue where this did not fix this behavior?
I've walked through this fix a hundred times with no luck. I've even
uninstalled/reinstaled office. Upgraded from Office XP to 2003, and I still
get this behavior.

In Short.

If I am "editing" a graph, the fonts are fine. I soon as I switch back to
the slide, my fonts look like they get bolded, squished together and
enlarged. I have been at this one issue for 4 days with no luck. Its
driving me nuts.

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as if you'd be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem not to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format Chart Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the slide to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100% x 100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to 12 or 14 pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide. This will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size when the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they are way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7 or 8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size 14 or so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every <i>other</i> label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into -- all the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph back to PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making the fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be changing the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it? Thanks.

 

[Echo S]

So you turned off the font autoscale, you resized the chart to 100% x 100%,
and you opened it and resized using the edges while it's open? In that case,
are you using a wide screen? If so, update your video card drivers.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
How to Prevent PowerPoint Overload (March 23 webcast)
http://tinyurl.com/bp2h8

Has any one ever run across an issue where this did not fix this behavior?
I've walked through this fix a hundred times with no luck. I've even
uninstalled/reinstaled office. Upgraded from Office XP to 2003, and I
still
get this behavior.

In Short.

If I am "editing" a graph, the fonts are fine. I soon as I switch back to
the slide, my fonts look like they get bolded, squished together and
enlarged. I have been at this one issue for 4 days with no luck. Its
driving me nuts.

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as if you'd
be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem not to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format Chart
Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the slide to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100% x
100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to 12 or 14
pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide. This
will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size when
the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they are
way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7 or 8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size 14 or
so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every <i>other</i>
label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into -- all the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph back to
PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making the
fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

:

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just
going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really
small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the
same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts
within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a
given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font
appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be changing
the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it? Thanks.

 

[Guest]

I'm having the same problem that jreish had but the solution didn't work for
me. I'm using Arial and when I'm in a chart, everything looks fine and the
font specified is Arial. As soon as I click out of the chart, the font gets
ugly. It's fine when I go back into the chart. The font size I'm using is
12. Any idea why this might be happening?

Thanks Echo, yes that pretty much fixed my problems. It was a pain to have to
go back and change all the graphs, but worth it since they now behave more
like I want and expect and don't keep changing appearance. This fix also
cleared up, for the most part, some other problems I was having with font
appearance that must have been due to the same small font size issue.

Many thanks for your quick and clear response!!

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as if you'd be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem not to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format Chart Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the slide to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100% x 100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to 12 or 14 pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide. This will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size when the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they are way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7 or 8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size 14 or so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every <i>other</i> label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into -- all the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph back to PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making the fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

:

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be changing the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it? Thanks.

 

[Echo S]

See #2 and #3 at http://www.echosvoice.com/charts.htm -- and if you're using
a wide screen, update your video drivers. If it's happening with a dual
display, see if using a single display resolves the issue.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
PPTLive! Sept 17-20, 2006 http://www.pptlive.com

I'm having the same problem that jreish had but the solution didn't work
for
me. I'm using Arial and when I'm in a chart, everything looks fine and
the
font specified is Arial. As soon as I click out of the chart, the font
gets
ugly. It's fine when I go back into the chart. The font size I'm using
is
12. Any idea why this might be happening?

Thanks Echo, yes that pretty much fixed my problems. It was a pain to
have to
go back and change all the graphs, but worth it since they now behave
more
like I want and expect and don't keep changing appearance. This fix also
cleared up, for the most part, some other problems I was having with font
appearance that must have been due to the same small font size issue.

Many thanks for your quick and clear response!!

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as if
you'd be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem not to
be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format Chart
Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the slide
to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100% x
100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but
never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to 12 or
14 pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide. This
will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size when
the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they are
way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7 or 8
it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size 14 or
so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every <i>other</i>
label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into -- all the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph back to
PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making the
fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

:

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just
going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really
small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the
same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts
within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a
given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the
Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font
appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that item
it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be changing
the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it? Thanks.

 

[Guest]

I am having a similar problem but the solutions that worked for jreish didn't
work for me either. I have a particular font in several charts and when I
edit the charts, the font changes. It appear it is changing to a default,
but I cannot find where this default is set to change it. Font size is not a
problem, it is over 8 point...

I'm having the same problem that jreish had but the solution didn't work for
me. I'm using Arial and when I'm in a chart, everything looks fine and the
font specified is Arial. As soon as I click out of the chart, the font gets
ugly. It's fine when I go back into the chart. The font size I'm using is
12. Any idea why this might be happening?

Thanks Echo, yes that pretty much fixed my problems. It was a pain to have to
go back and change all the graphs, but worth it since they now behave more
like I want and expect and don't keep changing appearance. This fix also
cleared up, for the most part, some other problems I was having with font
appearance that must have been due to the same small font size issue.

Many thanks for your quick and clear response!!

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as if you'd be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem not to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format Chart Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the slide to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100% x 100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to 12 or 14 pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide. This will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size when the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they are way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7 or 8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size 14 or so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every <i>other</i> label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into -- all the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph back to PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making the fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

:

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be changing the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it? Thanks.

 

[Echo S]

Hm. What's the particular font in the chart, and what does it change to when
you edit?

Oh, also maybe try Tools|Options|Edit (in PPT, not in MSGraph) and uncheck
"new charts take on PPT fonts." Not positive that will do the trick, but
it's worth a try.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
PPTLive! Sept 17-20, 2006 http://www.pptlive.com

I am having a similar problem but the solutions that worked for jreish
didn't
work for me either. I have a particular font in several charts and when I
edit the charts, the font changes. It appear it is changing to a default,
but I cannot find where this default is set to change it. Font size is
not a
problem, it is over 8 point...

I'm having the same problem that jreish had but the solution didn't work
for
me. I'm using Arial and when I'm in a chart, everything looks fine and
the
font specified is Arial. As soon as I click out of the chart, the font
gets
ugly. It's fine when I go back into the chart. The font size I'm using
is
12. Any idea why this might be happening?

Thanks Echo, yes that pretty much fixed my problems. It was a pain to
have to
go back and change all the graphs, but worth it since they now behave
more
like I want and expect and don't keep changing appearance. This fix
also
cleared up, for the most part, some other problems I was having with
font
appearance that must have been due to the same small font size issue.

Many thanks for your quick and clear response!!

:

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as if
you'd be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem not
to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format Chart
Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the slide
to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100% x
100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but
never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area
and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to 12
or 14 pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's
activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide.
This will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size
when the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they
are way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7 or
8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size 14
or so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every
<i>other</i> label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into -- all
the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph back
to PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making the
fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

:

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just
going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really
small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see
the same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts
within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a
given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the
font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the
Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font
appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that
item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be
changing the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it?
Thanks.

 

[Guest]

Thanks for getting back to me.

Good suggestion on Tools|Options|Edit -- I tried that first to no avail...

The font is actually a custom font that I received from my client and
downloaded onto my PC. It changes to Arial (the font I usually use) when I
edit the chart. I did not set up the original (custom font) charts, they
look fine when I receive the doc, but then when I edit them, they change to
Arial. Strangely, when I send it back to my client, they see the Arial font,
but when they double click on the chart, the font reverts back to custom
font.

Any idea what might be causing that? Sound like a problem with the custom
font? Any suggestions / thoughts would be appreciated.

P.S. Your website is great. I picked up a couple of tips there that will
be very helpful!

Hm. What's the particular font in the chart, and what does it change to when
you edit?

Oh, also maybe try Tools|Options|Edit (in PPT, not in MSGraph) and uncheck
"new charts take on PPT fonts." Not positive that will do the trick, but
it's worth a try.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
PPTLive! Sept 17-20, 2006 http://www.pptlive.com

I am having a similar problem but the solutions that worked for jreish
didn't
work for me either. I have a particular font in several charts and when I
edit the charts, the font changes. It appear it is changing to a default,
but I cannot find where this default is set to change it. Font size is
not a
problem, it is over 8 point...

I'm having the same problem that jreish had but the solution didn't work
for
me. I'm using Arial and when I'm in a chart, everything looks fine and
the
font specified is Arial. As soon as I click out of the chart, the font
gets
ugly. It's fine when I go back into the chart. The font size I'm using
is
12. Any idea why this might be happening?

:

Thanks Echo, yes that pretty much fixed my problems. It was a pain to
have to
go back and change all the graphs, but worth it since they now behave
more
like I want and expect and don't keep changing appearance. This fix
also
cleared up, for the most part, some other problems I was having with
font
appearance that must have been due to the same small font size issue.

Many thanks for your quick and clear response!!

:

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as if
you'd be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem not
to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format Chart
Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the slide
to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100% x
100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but
never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area
and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to 12
or 14 pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's
activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide.
This will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size
when the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they
are way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7 or
8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size 14
or so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every
<i>other</i> label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into -- all
the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph back
to PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making the
fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

:

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just
going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really
small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see
the same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts
within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a
given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the
font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the
Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font
appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that
item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be
changing the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it?
Thanks.

 

[Echo S]

I think it does sound like a problem with the custom font, but I'm not sure
what it would be.

Are the charts Excel charts (Excel opens when you edit them) or are they PPT
charts?

Does this happen with any other fonts? Can you have your client send you one
chart created with, oh, I dunno, some distinctive font? (I often use
Algerian when I need an obvious font for these types of tests.)

You know, this doesn't sound quite right, though. I just tried an experiment
here. I created a chart with Algerian font, saved it, closed PPT. Then I
went to C:\Windows\Fonts, dragged Algerian font to my desktop, and then
right-clicked and deleted it from the Fonts folder. Opened PPT, and the
chart I'd created displayed in Arial. If I double-click and activate the
chart, right-click the chart area and Format, Algerian shows as the font on
the font tab, but there's no font highlighted in the actual list.

I wonder if this could have to do with the font properties? Some aren't
editable, only previewable-printable.

No, that's not right, either. You said you downloaded the font to your
system. Oh, Did you actually *install* the custom font to C:\Windows\Fonts?
You might try that. Since the chart reverts to Arial when you try to edit,
it sounds as if it's not installed properly.

If the font is in that C:\Windows\Fonts folder already, delete it, then use
File|Install New Font to install it. (Of course make sure you have a copy --
or the original -- of the font before you delete it.) I've seen fonts do
strange things in other programs when I've just dragged them into my fonts
folder. At any rate, reinstalling the font is worth trying. (And if it was
emailed to you as a zipped file, be sure to extract the font from the zip
before installing it. Oh, and make sure you've installed all versions of the
font if there are any [like italic or bold, etc.])

P.S. Your website is great. I picked up a couple of tips there that will
be very helpful!

Thanks.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
PPTLive! Sept 17-20, 2006 http://www.pptlive.com

Thanks for getting back to me.

Good suggestion on Tools|Options|Edit -- I tried that first to no avail...

The font is actually a custom font that I received from my client and
downloaded onto my PC. It changes to Arial (the font I usually use) when
I
edit the chart. I did not set up the original (custom font) charts, they
look fine when I receive the doc, but then when I edit them, they change
to
Arial. Strangely, when I send it back to my client, they see the Arial
font,
but when they double click on the chart, the font reverts back to custom
font.

Any idea what might be causing that? Sound like a problem with the custom
font? Any suggestions / thoughts would be appreciated.

P.S. Your website is great. I picked up a couple of tips there that will
be very helpful!

Hm. What's the particular font in the chart, and what does it change to
when
you edit?

Oh, also maybe try Tools|Options|Edit (in PPT, not in MSGraph) and
uncheck
"new charts take on PPT fonts." Not positive that will do the trick, but
it's worth a try.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
PPTLive! Sept 17-20, 2006 http://www.pptlive.com

I am having a similar problem but the solutions that worked for jreish
didn't
work for me either. I have a particular font in several charts and
when I
edit the charts, the font changes. It appear it is changing to a
default,
but I cannot find where this default is set to change it. Font size is
not a
problem, it is over 8 point...


:

I'm having the same problem that jreish had but the solution didn't
work
for
me. I'm using Arial and when I'm in a chart, everything looks fine
and
the
font specified is Arial. As soon as I click out of the chart, the
font
gets
ugly. It's fine when I go back into the chart. The font size I'm
using
is
12. Any idea why this might be happening?

:

Thanks Echo, yes that pretty much fixed my problems. It was a pain
to
have to
go back and change all the graphs, but worth it since they now
behave
more
like I want and expect and don't keep changing appearance. This fix
also
cleared up, for the most part, some other problems I was having with
font
appearance that must have been due to the same small font size
issue.

Many thanks for your quick and clear response!!

:

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as
if
you'd be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem
not
to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format
Chart
Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the
slide
to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size
tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100%
x
100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but
never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area
and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to
12
or 14 pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's
activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide.
This will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size
when the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they
are way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7
or
8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size
14
or so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every
<i>other</i> label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into --
all
the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph
back
to PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making
the
fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

:

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was
just
going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with
really
small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see
the same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the
fonts
within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for
a
given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want
(Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the
font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the
Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font
appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that
item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be
changing the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it?
Thanks.

 

[Guest]

Man, you're good!!! I'm going to try your suggestions with
deleting/reinstalling the fonts and see where that goes. Your test with the
Algerian font was interesting! It does sound like I am missing some font
files... I'll let you know how it turns out.

Thank you very much for your thoughtful comments!

I think it does sound like a problem with the custom font, but I'm not sure
what it would be.

Are the charts Excel charts (Excel opens when you edit them) or are they PPT
charts?

Does this happen with any other fonts? Can you have your client send you one
chart created with, oh, I dunno, some distinctive font? (I often use
Algerian when I need an obvious font for these types of tests.)

You know, this doesn't sound quite right, though. I just tried an experiment
here. I created a chart with Algerian font, saved it, closed PPT. Then I
went to C:\Windows\Fonts, dragged Algerian font to my desktop, and then
right-clicked and deleted it from the Fonts folder. Opened PPT, and the
chart I'd created displayed in Arial. If I double-click and activate the
chart, right-click the chart area and Format, Algerian shows as the font on
the font tab, but there's no font highlighted in the actual list.

I wonder if this could have to do with the font properties? Some aren't
editable, only previewable-printable.

No, that's not right, either. You said you downloaded the font to your
system. Oh, Did you actually *install* the custom font to C:\Windows\Fonts?
You might try that. Since the chart reverts to Arial when you try to edit,
it sounds as if it's not installed properly.

If the font is in that C:\Windows\Fonts folder already, delete it, then use
File|Install New Font to install it. (Of course make sure you have a copy --
or the original -- of the font before you delete it.) I've seen fonts do
strange things in other programs when I've just dragged them into my fonts
folder. At any rate, reinstalling the font is worth trying. (And if it was
emailed to you as a zipped file, be sure to extract the font from the zip
before installing it. Oh, and make sure you've installed all versions of the
font if there are any [like italic or bold, etc.])

P.S. Your website is great. I picked up a couple of tips there that will
be very helpful!

Thanks.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
PPTLive! Sept 17-20, 2006 http://www.pptlive.com

Thanks for getting back to me.

Good suggestion on Tools|Options|Edit -- I tried that first to no avail...

The font is actually a custom font that I received from my client and
downloaded onto my PC. It changes to Arial (the font I usually use) when
I
edit the chart. I did not set up the original (custom font) charts, they
look fine when I receive the doc, but then when I edit them, they change
to
Arial. Strangely, when I send it back to my client, they see the Arial
font,
but when they double click on the chart, the font reverts back to custom
font.

Any idea what might be causing that? Sound like a problem with the custom
font? Any suggestions / thoughts would be appreciated.

P.S. Your website is great. I picked up a couple of tips there that will
be very helpful!

Hm. What's the particular font in the chart, and what does it change to
when
you edit?

Oh, also maybe try Tools|Options|Edit (in PPT, not in MSGraph) and
uncheck
"new charts take on PPT fonts." Not positive that will do the trick, but
it's worth a try.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
PPTLive! Sept 17-20, 2006 http://www.pptlive.com

I am having a similar problem but the solutions that worked for jreish
didn't
work for me either. I have a particular font in several charts and
when I
edit the charts, the font changes. It appear it is changing to a
default,
but I cannot find where this default is set to change it. Font size is
not a
problem, it is over 8 point...


:

I'm having the same problem that jreish had but the solution didn't
work
for
me. I'm using Arial and when I'm in a chart, everything looks fine
and
the
font specified is Arial. As soon as I click out of the chart, the
font
gets
ugly. It's fine when I go back into the chart. The font size I'm
using
is
12. Any idea why this might be happening?

:

Thanks Echo, yes that pretty much fixed my problems. It was a pain
to
have to
go back and change all the graphs, but worth it since they now
behave
more
like I want and expect and don't keep changing appearance. This fix
also
cleared up, for the most part, some other problems I was having with
font
appearance that must have been due to the same small font size
issue.

Many thanks for your quick and clear response!!

:

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as
if
you'd be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem
not
to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format
Chart
Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the
slide
to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size
tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100%
x
100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but
never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area
and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to
12
or 14 pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's
activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide.
This will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size
when the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they
are way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7
or
8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size
14
or so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every
<i>other</i> label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into --
all
the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph
back
to PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making
the
fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

:

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was
just
going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with
really
small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see
the same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the
fonts
within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for
a
given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want
(Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the
font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the
Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font
appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that
item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be
changing the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it?
Thanks.

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

Thanks for getting back to me.

Good suggestion on Tools|Options|Edit -- I tried that first to no avail...

The font is actually a custom font that I received from my client and
downloaded onto my PC.

Downloaded, good.
But did you install it as well? Is it in your Fonts folder, for example?

If you select some text in PPT, can you format it in this font? If not, it's
probably not properly installed.

What type of font is it?

It changes to Arial (the font I usually use) when I

edit the chart. I did not set up the original (custom font) charts, they
look fine when I receive the doc, but then when I edit them, they change to
Arial. Strangely, when I send it back to my client, they see the Arial font,
but when they double click on the chart, the font reverts back to custom
font.

Any idea what might be causing that? Sound like a problem with the custom
font? Any suggestions / thoughts would be appreciated.

P.S. Your website is great. I picked up a couple of tips there that will
be very helpful!

Hm. What's the particular font in the chart, and what does it change to when
you edit?

Oh, also maybe try Tools|Options|Edit (in PPT, not in MSGraph) and uncheck
"new charts take on PPT fonts." Not positive that will do the trick, but
it's worth a try.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
PPTLive! Sept 17-20, 2006 http://www.pptlive.com

I am having a similar problem but the solutions that worked for jreish
didn't
work for me either. I have a particular font in several charts and when I
edit the charts, the font changes. It appear it is changing to a default,
but I cannot find where this default is set to change it. Font size is
not a
problem, it is over 8 point...


:

I'm having the same problem that jreish had but the solution didn't work
for
me. I'm using Arial and when I'm in a chart, everything looks fine and
the
font specified is Arial. As soon as I click out of the chart, the font
gets
ugly. It's fine when I go back into the chart. The font size I'm using
is
12. Any idea why this might be happening?

:

Thanks Echo, yes that pretty much fixed my problems. It was a pain to
have to
go back and change all the graphs, but worth it since they now behave
more
like I want and expect and don't keep changing appearance. This fix
also
cleared up, for the most part, some other problems I was having with
font
appearance that must have been due to the same small font size issue.

Many thanks for your quick and clear response!!

:

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as if
you'd be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem not
to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format Chart
Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the slide
to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100% x
100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but
never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area
and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to 12
or 14 pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's
activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide.
This will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size
when the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they
are way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7 or
8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size 14
or so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every
<i>other</i> label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into -- all
the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph back
to PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making the
fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

:

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just
going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really
small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see
the same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts
within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a
given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the
font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the
Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font
appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that
item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be
changing the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it?
Thanks.

 

[Guest]

A couple of quick follow up questions for you... (incidentally, I am creating
these charts directly in PPT, not opening into XLS)

(1) I have noticed that on the text for these problem slides, there is an
underscore before the font name... do you know anything about this? Does
that mean the font is missing? (Font says "_Custom Font") It knows enough
to put the name in there... but there is an underscore before it, which is
strange.

(2) I can replace the font in the text of the doc using the Format|Replace
Fonts function, do you know of anything like that for charts? (A trick for
universally replacing fonts in a chart?)

Let me know if you know anything on that score.

Thanks again for all of your help.

I think it does sound like a problem with the custom font, but I'm not sure
what it would be.

Are the charts Excel charts (Excel opens when you edit them) or are they PPT
charts?

Does this happen with any other fonts? Can you have your client send you one
chart created with, oh, I dunno, some distinctive font? (I often use
Algerian when I need an obvious font for these types of tests.)

You know, this doesn't sound quite right, though. I just tried an experiment
here. I created a chart with Algerian font, saved it, closed PPT. Then I
went to C:\Windows\Fonts, dragged Algerian font to my desktop, and then
right-clicked and deleted it from the Fonts folder. Opened PPT, and the
chart I'd created displayed in Arial. If I double-click and activate the
chart, right-click the chart area and Format, Algerian shows as the font on
the font tab, but there's no font highlighted in the actual list.

I wonder if this could have to do with the font properties? Some aren't
editable, only previewable-printable.

No, that's not right, either. You said you downloaded the font to your
system. Oh, Did you actually *install* the custom font to C:\Windows\Fonts?
You might try that. Since the chart reverts to Arial when you try to edit,
it sounds as if it's not installed properly.

If the font is in that C:\Windows\Fonts folder already, delete it, then use
File|Install New Font to install it. (Of course make sure you have a copy --
or the original -- of the font before you delete it.) I've seen fonts do
strange things in other programs when I've just dragged them into my fonts
folder. At any rate, reinstalling the font is worth trying. (And if it was
emailed to you as a zipped file, be sure to extract the font from the zip
before installing it. Oh, and make sure you've installed all versions of the
font if there are any [like italic or bold, etc.])

P.S. Your website is great. I picked up a couple of tips there that will
be very helpful!

Thanks.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
PPTLive! Sept 17-20, 2006 http://www.pptlive.com

Thanks for getting back to me.

Good suggestion on Tools|Options|Edit -- I tried that first to no avail...

The font is actually a custom font that I received from my client and
downloaded onto my PC. It changes to Arial (the font I usually use) when
I
edit the chart. I did not set up the original (custom font) charts, they
look fine when I receive the doc, but then when I edit them, they change
to
Arial. Strangely, when I send it back to my client, they see the Arial
font,
but when they double click on the chart, the font reverts back to custom
font.

Any idea what might be causing that? Sound like a problem with the custom
font? Any suggestions / thoughts would be appreciated.

P.S. Your website is great. I picked up a couple of tips there that will
be very helpful!

Hm. What's the particular font in the chart, and what does it change to
when
you edit?

Oh, also maybe try Tools|Options|Edit (in PPT, not in MSGraph) and
uncheck
"new charts take on PPT fonts." Not positive that will do the trick, but
it's worth a try.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
PPTLive! Sept 17-20, 2006 http://www.pptlive.com

I am having a similar problem but the solutions that worked for jreish
didn't
work for me either. I have a particular font in several charts and
when I
edit the charts, the font changes. It appear it is changing to a
default,
but I cannot find where this default is set to change it. Font size is
not a
problem, it is over 8 point...


:

I'm having the same problem that jreish had but the solution didn't
work
for
me. I'm using Arial and when I'm in a chart, everything looks fine
and
the
font specified is Arial. As soon as I click out of the chart, the
font
gets
ugly. It's fine when I go back into the chart. The font size I'm
using
is
12. Any idea why this might be happening?

:

Thanks Echo, yes that pretty much fixed my problems. It was a pain
to
have to
go back and change all the graphs, but worth it since they now
behave
more
like I want and expect and don't keep changing appearance. This fix
also
cleared up, for the most part, some other problems I was having with
font
appearance that must have been due to the same small font size
issue.

Many thanks for your quick and clear response!!

:

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as
if
you'd be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem
not
to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format
Chart
Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the
slide
to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size
tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100%
x
100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but
never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area
and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to
12
or 14 pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's
activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide.
This will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size
when the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they
are way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7
or
8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size
14
or so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every
<i>other</i> label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into --
all
the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph
back
to PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making
the
fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

:

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was
just
going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with
really
small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see
the same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the
fonts
within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for
a
given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want
(Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the
font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the
Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font
appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that
item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be
changing the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it?
Thanks.

 

[Guest]

Thanks for your comment.

Yes, I did install the fonts (they are in the fonts folder) and I can format
text in this font. However, as I mentioned in my follow up post to Echo, the
font name has an underscore before it ("_Custom Font") which is leading me to
believe that it is not on my machine (none of the fonts in the fonts folder
have an underscore before them) and that possibly my client did not send me a
complete list of font files...

Let me know if you know anything about this underscore before the font name...

Thanks!!

Thanks for getting back to me.

Good suggestion on Tools|Options|Edit -- I tried that first to no avail...

The font is actually a custom font that I received from my client and
downloaded onto my PC.

Downloaded, good.
But did you install it as well? Is it in your Fonts folder, for example?

If you select some text in PPT, can you format it in this font? If not, it's
probably not properly installed.

What type of font is it?

It changes to Arial (the font I usually use) when I

edit the chart. I did not set up the original (custom font) charts, they
look fine when I receive the doc, but then when I edit them, they change to
Arial. Strangely, when I send it back to my client, they see the Arial font,
but when they double click on the chart, the font reverts back to custom
font.

Any idea what might be causing that? Sound like a problem with the custom
font? Any suggestions / thoughts would be appreciated.

P.S. Your website is great. I picked up a couple of tips there that will
be very helpful!

Hm. What's the particular font in the chart, and what does it change to when
you edit?

Oh, also maybe try Tools|Options|Edit (in PPT, not in MSGraph) and uncheck
"new charts take on PPT fonts." Not positive that will do the trick, but
it's worth a try.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
PPTLive! Sept 17-20, 2006 http://www.pptlive.com

I am having a similar problem but the solutions that worked for jreish
didn't
work for me either. I have a particular font in several charts and when I
edit the charts, the font changes. It appear it is changing to a default,
but I cannot find where this default is set to change it. Font size is
not a
problem, it is over 8 point...


:

I'm having the same problem that jreish had but the solution didn't work
for
me. I'm using Arial and when I'm in a chart, everything looks fine and
the
font specified is Arial. As soon as I click out of the chart, the font
gets
ugly. It's fine when I go back into the chart. The font size I'm using
is
12. Any idea why this might be happening?

:

Thanks Echo, yes that pretty much fixed my problems. It was a pain to
have to
go back and change all the graphs, but worth it since they now behave
more
like I want and expect and don't keep changing appearance. This fix
also
cleared up, for the most part, some other problems I was having with
font
appearance that must have been due to the same small font size issue.

Many thanks for your quick and clear response!!

:

Okay. I think the small font size is the issue, but it sounds as if
you'd be
able to use larger font sizes if they were, well, true to size.

There is a combination of things that makes font in charts seem not
to be
the correct size. Here's how to fix it.

First, open the chart, select the chart area and choose Format Chart
Area.
Then, on the Font tab, deselect "auto scale." Then click on the slide
to
close the font.

Then right-click the chart and choose Format Object. On the Size tab,
deselect Loct Aspect Ratio and then type in scale percentages 100% x
100%. I
bet this will make your chart a different size than it is now, but
never
fear, we'll take care of that in a minute.

Now double-click the chart to open it again. Select the Chart Area
and
choose Format Chart Area. Go to the Font tab. Change the font to 12
or 14 pt
and click OK. Then adjust the size of the chart by dragging on the
herringboned edges. You want to resize the chart while it's
activated,
rather than resizing by dragging edges of the chart on the slide.
This will
help keep your chart and fonts from becoming distorted.

So, to summarize: turn off font autoscaling and adjust chart size
when the
chart is opened.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Echo, yes these are small font sizes. If I make them larger they
are way
too
big for the slide, though. Even though I have the font set at 7 or
8 it
appears equal in size to the same font in a PPT textbox at size 14
or so.

If I make the fonts in the graph bigger then only every
<i>other</i> label
on a bar graph displays (another common problem I run into -- all
the
labels
show when I am in the graph but when I click out of the graph back
to PPT
only the 1st, 3rd, 5th etc labels show. That's why I am making the
fonts
small in the first place, to get all the labels to show).

:

Steve's suggestion is a good one -- in fact, it's what I was just
going
to
suggest.

Also, what size is the font? I think Excel had issues with really
small
fonts (6, 7, 8 pt) changing, and it wouldn't surprise me to see
the same
happen in PPT charts.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

I am having a problem creating graphs in PPT and having the fonts
within
the
graphs stay as I set them. I open the graph, set the font for a
given
axis/field/whatever, and the font changes to what I want (Arial,
nothing
fancy), but when I exit the graph sometimes (not always) the
font
magically
changes in appearance! It has serifs and appears to be in the
Times
family
or
something similar. If I open the graph again -poof!- the font
appears
on
screen in Arial again, and if I click the properties of that
item it
shows
that Arial is still the font. So it does not appear to be
changing the
font
setting itself just the way the font appears.

Anyone else run across this, and any advice for fixing it?
Thanks.

-----------------------------------------
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