Floppy 720 KB

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Helge Haensel

Hallo NG!
WindowsXP/HE SP2
The windows format allows only to format to 1,44 MB. I have a bunch
of 720 KB floppies. Linux does it. And i can read those with WiXP.
So the drive is ok. In Phoenix BIOS 1,44 MB is selected, but a
multiselect (to add 720 KB capability) is not possible. Is there a
switch in WiXP somewhere?
Thanks!
Vy 73! Helge
 
P

Pegasus \(MVP\)

Helge Haensel said:
Hallo NG!
WindowsXP/HE SP2
The windows format allows only to format to 1,44 MB. I have a bunch
of 720 KB floppies. Linux does it. And i can read those with WiXP.
So the drive is ok. In Phoenix BIOS 1,44 MB is selected, but a
multiselect (to add 720 KB capability) is not possible. Is there a
switch in WiXP somewhere?
Thanks!
Vy 73! Helge

You could do it like this:
- Click Start / Run / cmd {OK}
- Type this:
format a: /F:720 {Enter}

However, you should be aware of this too:
- Floppy disks are notorious for being unreliable.
- They must NOT be used for backup purposes.
- Some 50% of them will develop flaws within 3 years,
even if used just once.
- Their capacity is very small.
- They are very slow.

One or several flash disks (memory sticks) will resolve all
of these issues, for very little money.
 
H

Helge Haensel

You could do it like this:
- Click Start / Run / cmd {OK}
- Type this:
format a: /F:720 {Enter}
This does NOT work! 'No valid parameter /F:720' (from German)
However, you should be aware of this too:
- Floppy disks are notorious for being unreliable.
- They must NOT be used for backup purposes.
- Some 50% of them will develop flaws within 3 years,
even if used just once.
- Their capacity is very small.
- They are very slow.
I know that. For small data transfers to other pc's very
convenient to use.
One or several flash disks (memory sticks) will resolve all
of these issues, for very little money.
I have those sticks.
Thanks! Helge
 
H

Helge Haensel

You could do it like this:
- Click Start / Run / cmd {OK}
- Type this:
format a: /F:720 {Enter}
Addition: format a: /F:1440 works (with 1,44 MB floppies).

Helge
 
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Pegasus \(MVP\)

Helge Haensel said:
Addition: format a: /F:1440 works (with 1,44 MB floppies).

Helge

The /F:720 switch works on Win2000 machines but it appears
to have disappeared from WinXP. You can probably boot the
machine with a Win98 boot disk from www.bootdisk.com,
then format all of your disks in one go. Whether WinXP will be
able to read them I do not know.
 
H

Helge Haensel

The /F:720 switch works on Win2000 machines but it appears
to have disappeared from WinXP. You can probably boot the
machine with a Win98 boot disk from www.bootdisk.com,
then format all of your disks in one go. Whether WinXP will be
able to read them I do not know.
Thanks! I'll do that with Linux eventually. They are readable
by WiXP (see my first post).
Helge
 
P

Pop`

Pegasus said:
You could do it like this:
- Click Start / Run / cmd {OK}
- Type this:
format a: /F:720 {Enter}

However, you should be aware of this too:
- Floppy disks are notorious for being unreliable.
No, they are notorious for losing their magnetic field if not properly
treated/stored, which almost no one knows how to do anymore.
- They must NOT be used for backup purposes.
They are perfect for small, cheap temporary transport of files/whatever. At
a dime apiece last time I bought them, they were dirt cheap!
- Some 50% of them will develop flaws within 3 years,
No, without proper care and storage, nearly ALL will develop flaws in 3
years! Such failures are sometimes, even often, recoverable with the right
multi-hit applications.
even if used just once. Number of uses is irrelevant.
- Their capacity is very small.
"Small" being a relative thing. In text, that's a LOT of pages of typing!
- They are very slow.
They are exactlyh the speed of their spec and served the world well for many
years.

It's all relavie is more the correct description. They do have their uses,
but not many at this time and stage of technology<g>. I even have a server
box I stuck a 5 1/4" drive in. It doesn't get used often, but it's a life
saver the few times it's been needed. I drew the line at 9" hard sectors,
but also have an external 90k hard sectored floppy drive that's in working
condition. <G>

Riddle: What machine requires you to type "go 10000" to boot it?


More accurately, and more inline with the methods of the heyday, floppies
should be "refreshed" at least yearly. That can be either copy from, then
copy back to, the floppy, or better, use one of the many "floppy refresh"
programs still available to accomplish it. Those programs also re-establish
the formatting marks on the floppy as they do the refresh.
The fact that there are more reliable, less-work alternatives does not
negate the viability of proper execution of housekeeping of yesteryears<g>.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Pop`
 
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Pop`

Helge said:
Thanks! I'll do that with Linux eventually. They are readable
by WiXP (see my first post).
Helge

Anybody remember FDFORMAT and 1.7 Meg floppies? What a boon that was! For
a week or so <g>. And how about those hormongous 10 Meg hard drives? Wow!
And the first time you discovered you could format BOTH sides of a floppy
and actually double its storage capacity?

Oh, god, I feel old!

Pop`
 
P

Pegasus \(MVP\)

Pop` said:
No, they are notorious for losing their magnetic field if not properly
treated/stored, which almost no one knows how to do anymore.
They are perfect for small, cheap temporary transport of files/whatever. At
a dime apiece last time I bought them, they were dirt cheap!
No, without proper care and storage, nearly ALL will develop flaws in 3
years! Such failures are sometimes, even often, recoverable with the right
multi-hit applications.
"Small" being a relative thing. In text, that's a LOT of pages of typing!
They are exactlyh the speed of their spec and served the world well for many
years.

It's all relavie is more the correct description. They do have their uses,
but not many at this time and stage of technology<g>. I even have a server
box I stuck a 5 1/4" drive in. It doesn't get used often, but it's a life
saver the few times it's been needed. I drew the line at 9" hard sectors,
but also have an external 90k hard sectored floppy drive that's in working
condition. <G>

Riddle: What machine requires you to type "go 10000" to boot it?


More accurately, and more inline with the methods of the heyday, floppies
should be "refreshed" at least yearly. That can be either copy from, then
copy back to, the floppy, or better, use one of the many "floppy refresh"
programs still available to accomplish it. Those programs also re-establish
the formatting marks on the floppy as they do the refresh.
The fact that there are more reliable, less-work alternatives does not
negate the viability of proper execution of housekeeping of
yesteryears said:
Sorry, couldn't resist.

Pop`

Stuck in a time warp?
 
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Ron Martell

Helge Haensel said:
Hallo NG!
WindowsXP/HE SP2
The windows format allows only to format to 1,44 MB. I have a bunch
of 720 KB floppies. Linux does it. And i can read those with WiXP.
So the drive is ok. In Phoenix BIOS 1,44 MB is selected, but a
multiselect (to add 720 KB capability) is not possible. Is there a
switch in WiXP somewhere?
Thanks!
Vy 73! Helge

Try using

Format A: /N:9 /T:80

9 sectors per track, 80 tracks per side, 512 bytes per sector = 720K

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."
 
R

Ron Martell

Helge Haensel said:
Hey Ron, that made it. Thanks!

Those old DOS reference manuals and guides from 1987 do come in handy
occasionally.

Glad to be able to help.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."
 

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