Fewer program crashes with win9?

[micky]

More RAM with win8?

I like XP. I like it a lot. But....

The only real problem I have with my computer is that, though Firefox
says you can open as many tabs as you want, after about 40 or 60, I get
a message from AVG saying I've used a gig of memory. And later, FF and
also Sea Monkey, will crash. I've tried to cut down the number of tabs
I open, but I'm hooked. I've got a monkey on my back.

AIUI, XP can only use 3 of 4 gig I have, and with win7 or 8, you can
have 8 gig and it can use more than 3. Maybe 7? Would that let
me open many more tabs?

If so, this is as of now the only reason I wouldn';t hate it if I
somehow hads to move to win8.

This is only for my home computer. For the netbook, I don't do real
work there, so I've never had anything crash iirc.

 

[Paul in Houston TX]

More RAM with win8?

I like XP. I like it a lot. But....

The only real problem I have with my computer is that, though Firefox
says you can open as many tabs as you want, after about 40 or 60, I get
a message from AVG saying I've used a gig of memory. And later, FF and
also Sea Monkey, will crash. I've tried to cut down the number of tabs
I open, but I'm hooked. I've got a monkey on my back.

AIUI, XP can only use 3 of 4 gig I have, and with win7 or 8, you can
have 8 gig and it can use more than 3. Maybe 7? Would that let
me open many more tabs?

If so, this is as of now the only reason I wouldn';t hate it if I
somehow hads to move to win8.

This is only for my home computer. For the netbook, I don't do real
work there, so I've never had anything crash iirc.

If you get the Pro W8 version you can have 512G ram, theoretical.
Enough to open 5000 tabs, assuming your hardware and viewer will
support 512G ram and 5000 tabs.
W7/64 Pro can do 192G but thats only good for about 2000 tabs.
Pro W8 sounds like the way to go.

 

[Paul]

More RAM with win8?

I like XP. I like it a lot. But....

The only real problem I have with my computer is that, though Firefox
says you can open as many tabs as you want, after about 40 or 60, I get
a message from AVG saying I've used a gig of memory. And later, FF and
also Sea Monkey, will crash. I've tried to cut down the number of tabs
I open, but I'm hooked. I've got a monkey on my back.

AIUI, XP can only use 3 of 4 gig I have, and with win7 or 8, you can
have 8 gig and it can use more than 3. Maybe 7? Would that let
me open many more tabs?

If so, this is as of now the only reason I wouldn';t hate it if I
somehow hads to move to win8.

This is only for my home computer. For the netbook, I don't do real
work there, so I've never had anything crash iirc.

My experience with WinXP x32, and without the /3GB switch,
is a single application can get around 1.8GB before
something complains. (The kernel user split is 2GB/2GB,
but the program needs a little space for code, so the
limit works out to 1.8GB of user space or so. In my testing
below, I managed to get 1.9GB.)

Using the /3GB switch in boot.ini is a possibility, but then the
application itself must be "large_address_aware" to use
the extra space. I wrote a "five line C program" to test that
stuff out, and I was able to get a 32 bit application to use
a bit more memory. It means a second application is
going to get less memory (and run at normal speed), or
you'll drive the system into paging country, which is
only fun if you have an SSD or similar high-performance
storage for pagefile.

It sounds like AVG is spoiling your fun, and
some monitoring function should be switched off.
AVG is pulling the plug, before the fun has even begun.

*******

I tested memory limits, in this posting...

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=<[email protected]>

Normal conditions x32 OS
So-called 2GB kernel/2GB user split.
1919 MB (of 2048max) acquired by a simple memory-grabbing program.

Using /3GB boot.ini flag, plus LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE set on the .exe
2828 MB (of 3072max) acquired by a simple memory-grabbing program.

Switch to 64 bit OS, run 32 bit test program with large address aware set.
3822 MB (of 4096max) acquired by a simple memory-grabbing program.

Switch to 64 bit OS, 64 bit program... (not actually tested, too lazy)
Pretty well all the memory, except what the OS uses. On my
8GB machine, I might have seen it go to at least 7GB in an
unrelated test. Note that not many browsers are available as
64 bit applications.

AVG is shortchanging you.

I don't have any "normal" applications which had LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE
bit set. It was easy enough to do though, for my testing purposes.
It's just not something they'd think of doing to release versions,
as there are some performance caveats with using /3GB. Like running
out of "Pool" a little earlier.

*******

"AVG has detected high memory usage"

http://forums.avg.com/ww-en/avg-forums?sec=thread&act=show&id=173816#post_173816

Like any good rocket ship, the AVG preferences has a
wealth of stupid settings. There is a tick box to
get that warning to go away. No telling what warnings
you might lose though.

http://forums.avg.com/image/freeforum/ww/173816/8106

Happy tabbing,

Paul

 

[micky]

If you get the Pro W8 version you can have 512G ram, theoretical.
Enough to open 5000 tabs, assuming your hardware and viewer will
support 512G ram and 5000 tabs.
W7/64 Pro can do 192G but thats only good for about 2000 tabs.
Pro W8 sounds like the way to go.

Okay then. Now I have to get a part time job and save up to buy all
that RAM. Though maybe I'll start with 8G and limit myself to 200
tabs. I don't think I can keep track of more than that anyhow.

Thanks.

 

[Norm X]

More RAM with win8?

I like XP. I like it a lot. But....

The only real problem I have with my computer is that, though Firefox
says you can open as many tabs as you want, after about 40 or 60, I get
a message from AVG saying I've used a gig of memory. And later, FF and
also Sea Monkey, will crash. I've tried to cut down the number of tabs
I open, but I'm hooked. I've got a monkey on my back.

AIUI, XP can only use 3 of 4 gig I have, and with win7 or 8, you can
have 8 gig and it can use more than 3. Maybe 7? Would that let
me open many more tabs?

If so, this is as of now the only reason I wouldn';t hate it if I
somehow hads to move to win8.

This is only for my home computer. For the netbook, I don't do real
work there, so I've never had anything crash iirc.

IMHO, browser cache is on disk unless you use are browsing incognito. Disk
browser cache may cause contention with the disk swap file. OTOH, I have a 4
GB machine where swap file has never been accessed. So maybe disk browser
cache gets confused with too many windows or tabs. Maybe, incognito would
help.

I too, like to leave open all my browser windows and I like WinXP because of
the speed. I use Google Chrome. AFAIK, selecting incognito in Chrome means
no disk cache is used, only memory. Incognito works much better. I like to
use a lot of tabs and only a few windows. I've never encountered your
problems so maybe you are using an inferior browser.

I don't know what you are browsing so instead I calibrated my own. I saved
Google News.htm, only 668 KB, less that one MB. You could open well over one
thousand such pages use less than one GB. In spite of what AVG says, I am
not convinced you have a memory problem. I think you have encountered a
weakness in the browser you are using. The simplest solution is to try a
different browser.

Just my opinion.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

AIUI, XP can only use 3 of 4 gig I have,

If you are running 32-bit Windows XP, that's correct. A number like
that is correct for all 32-bit client versions of Windows.


All 32-bit client versions of Windows (not just XP/Vista/7/8) have a
4GB address space (64-bit versions can use much more). That's the
theoretical upper limit beyond which you can not go.

But you can't use the entire address space. Even though you have a
4GB address space, you can only use *around* 3.1GB of RAM. That's
because some of that space is used by hardware and is not available to
the operating system and applications. The amount you can
use varies, depending on what hardware you have installed, but can
range from as little as 2GB to as much as 3.5GB. It's usually around
3.1GB.

Note that the hardware is using the address *space*, not the actual
RAM itself. If you have a greater amount of RAM, the rest of the RAM
goes unused because there is no address space to map it to.

and with win7 or 8, you can
have 8 gig and it can use more than 3.

No, it has nothing to do with what version of Windows you are running.
It has to do with whether it's 32-bit or 64-bit.