Why are software company's just supporting windows xp/vista now?

[Dj Toonz]

Hi all, just wondering why the big software company's are just supporting
windows xp/vista for there software, i.e itunes , zonealarm, nero, norton
and the likes, I've just bought a iphone, but as I was using windows 200 on
a old laptop & linux on a desktop, I couldn't use it because the iphone only
supports itunes 8 and not itunes 7. something that runs on windows 2000 so I
tried to go out and buy a copy of windows xp i.e retail / oem (nope only
selling windows vista now) & wasn't buying a new laptop when the old one
still works, even upgraded the laptop from 256 meg of ram to 1 gig of ram &
upgraded the hard drive from 40 gig to 160 gigs & all the laptops what I've
seen with vista installed are either 1 gig or 2 gigs of ram, so bought a MSI
wind netbook instead with upgraded ram from 1 gig to 2 gig with windows xp
home sp3 & now I can use the iphone. Getting back to software company's.
company's like the ones who make the gimp are still supporting windows 98se,
me & windows 2000 but why is it that the big company's aint even support
windows 2000 now. all the software what's installed on the windows 2000
laptop are coming up with please update to the latest version ( I can't even
do as the newer version of the software doesn't support windows 2000 & even
itunes has stopped going to the itunes store. It seems a money grab just to
upgraded to the latest version of windows, but seeing as the old laptop
won't run windows vista & can't buy windows xp any more, that's why I've
still got windows 2000 installed on it. but if I can't install any newer
software on it, I might just install linux on and it, Thank god i've bought
a netbook that does come with xp so I can use my iphone

 

[sgopus]

you seem to not understand economics, all software reaches it's end of life,
where the original company no longer supports it due to technology advances
and becoming obsolete, software needs to support current technology, windows
2000 is woefully out of date (still it's a very stable OS). Vista even with
it's issues, supports current technology and the OS due to come out will
support even newer technology.

 

[reddealer]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/category_tlc.asp?CatId=26&name=Software $94.99

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Hi all, just wondering why the big software company's are just
supporting windows xp/vista for there software,

Not to be facetious, it's for the same reason that your late model
car's stereo doesn't support 8-Track cartridges; it's called progress.
Old technologies fade away as their market shares diminish past the
point where it's economically feasible for their manufacturers to
continue supporting them.


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[Dj Toonz]

Don't get me wrong guys I do understand economics, I was just wondering
that's all, Yes I do know nothing last's for ever, I had the laptop for 10
years so it wasn't to bad. so thanks to all the posts I understand better
now cheers

 

[V Green]

You guys all missed it.

It's not about "progress".
It's not about "staying current".
It's not about any altruistic reason you can name.

It's all about money, and how large corporations try
to separate it from us and make it theirs. They do this
by trying to put us on a treadmill of feeling like we can't
stay in one place with the hardware and software we have
(which do the job just fine, thanks) and not "fall behind".

The one really significant thing that has happened in
computers and computing in the last 20 years is the
Internet.

That's all. And that is actually more of a communications
revolution that was fostered by affordable computing.

Quad-core processors, teraflop GPU's, TB hard drives, all nice,
all not necessary to the vast majority of users. All just extensions
of existing technology. No quantum leaps there. Nothing new
under the sun, as the saying goes. I can browse the Internet just as
well with my old Satellite T2150 running W95 - it just takes a little
longer.

We're just a nation of unedcuated, uninformed self-important consumers,
led around by rings through our noses placed there by the marketing dept's
of large, amoral corporations.

Hopefully the current reset of the world's political/financial situation
will force some much overdue change.

But I am not holding my breath. There is still too much money to be made.

 

[M.I.5¾]

Not to be facetious, it's for the same reason that your late model car's
stereo doesn't support 8-Track cartridges; it's called progress. Old
technologies fade away as their market shares diminish past the point
where it's economically feasible for their manufacturers to continue
supporting them.

8 track cartridges? Luxury. I'm still playing cylinders.

 

[Lil' Dave]

Hi all, just wondering why the big software company's are just supporting
windows xp/vista for there software, i.e itunes , zonealarm, nero, norton
and the likes, I've just bought a iphone, but as I was using windows 200
on a old laptop & linux on a desktop, I couldn't use it because the iphone
only supports itunes 8 and not itunes 7. something that runs on windows
2000 so I tried to go out and buy a copy of windows xp i.e retail / oem
(nope only selling windows vista now) & wasn't buying a new laptop when
the old one still works, even upgraded the laptop from 256 meg of ram to 1
gig of ram & upgraded the hard drive from 40 gig to 160 gigs & all the
laptops what I've seen with vista installed are either 1 gig or 2 gigs of
ram, so bought a MSI wind netbook instead with upgraded ram from 1 gig to
2 gig with windows xp home sp3 & now I can use the iphone. Getting back
to software company's. company's like the ones who make the gimp are still
supporting windows 98se, me & windows 2000 but why is it that the big
company's aint even support windows 2000 now. all the software what's
installed on the windows 2000 laptop are coming up with please update to
the latest version ( I can't even do as the newer version of the software
doesn't support windows 2000 & even itunes has stopped going to the itunes
store. It seems a money grab just to upgraded to the latest version of
windows, but seeing as the old laptop won't run windows vista & can't buy
windows xp any more, that's why I've still got windows 2000 installed on
it. but if I can't install any newer software on it, I might just install
linux on and it, Thank god i've bought a netbook that does come with xp so
I can use my iphone

Regarding 3rd party software....The 2 bottom lines are the answer in
response to your initial question. The first is the majority of the market
is where they are hitting primarily. The second is support for secondary,
less populated market is dwindling, so they don't hire people to write
software for those. The first time I noticed this affect was with retail AV
software.

This is only one of many facets regarding the shrinking of the gamet of
hardware that a PC or laptop can support. The operating system must support
the hardware, or to a limited degree, with assistance with 3rd party
drivers.

The end user's intent is to run some version of some 3rd party software for
one reason or another. Not to be in a specific operating system
environment. 3rd party software and the majority of hardware drivers have
become operating system dependent to the biggest market operating systems.
Dependency works basically like this:

3rd party software > operating system, sometimes hardware
Hardware drivers > operating system
Operating system > hardware dependent
Hardware > OS and driver dependent

As you can see by the 1st 2 line items, the OS is the primary supporting
concern of the big picture. Since the support for prior OSes has shrank
dramatically, any future usage with more current 3rd party software (end
user's intent) is becoming more and more of a pipe dream with stagnant,
unchanging hardware PC.
--
Dave

CDOs are how we got here.
A modified version, new taxes in the future, is how Congress will get us
out?

 

[Bill in Co.]

8 track cartridges? Luxury. I'm still playing cylinders.

Do you still have one with Enrico Caruso? I lost mine.

 

[HeyBub]

Hi all, just wondering why the big software company's are just
supporting windows xp/vista for there software, i.e itunes ,
zonealarm, nero, norton and the likes, I've just bought a iphone, but
as I was using windows 200 on a old laptop & linux on a desktop, I
couldn't use it because the iphone only supports itunes 8 and not
itunes 7. something that runs on windows 2000 so I tried to go out
and buy a copy of windows xp i.e retail / oem (nope only selling
windows vista now) & wasn't buying a new laptop when the old one
still works, even upgraded the laptop from 256 meg of ram to 1 gig of
ram & upgraded the hard drive from 40 gig to 160 gigs & all the
laptops what I've seen with vista installed are either 1 gig or 2
gigs of ram, so bought a MSI wind netbook instead with upgraded ram
from 1 gig to 2 gig with windows xp home sp3 & now I can use the
iphone. Getting back to software company's. company's like the ones
who make the gimp are still supporting windows 98se, me & windows
2000 but why is it that the big company's aint even support windows
2000 now. all the software what's installed on the windows 2000
laptop are coming up with please update to the latest version ( I
can't even do as the newer version of the software doesn't support
windows 2000 & even itunes has stopped going to the itunes store. It
seems a money grab just to upgraded to the latest version of windows,
but seeing as the old laptop won't run windows vista & can't buy
windows xp any more, that's why I've still got windows 2000 installed
on it. but if I can't install any newer software on it, I might just
install linux on and it, Thank god i've bought a netbook that does
come with xp so I can use my iphone

Ever tried to buy a carburetor for a '57 Studebaker?

 

[someone watching]

You guys all missed it.

It's not about "progress".
It's not about "staying current".
It's not about any altruistic reason you can name.

It's all about money, and how large corporations try
to separate it from us and make it theirs. They do this
by trying to put us on a treadmill of feeling like we can't
stay in one place with the hardware and software we have
(which do the job just fine, thanks) and not "fall behind".

The one really significant thing that has happened in
computers and computing in the last 20 years is the
Internet.

That's all. And that is actually more of a communications
revolution that was fostered by affordable computing.

Quad-core processors, teraflop GPU's, TB hard drives, all nice,
all not necessary to the vast majority of users. All just extensions
of existing technology. No quantum leaps there. Nothing new
under the sun, as the saying goes. I can browse the Internet just as
well with my old Satellite T2150 running W95 - it just takes a little
longer.

We're just a nation of unedcuated, uninformed self-important
consumers,
led around by rings through our noses placed there by the marketing
dept's
of large, amoral corporations.

Hopefully the current reset of the world's political/financial
situation
will force some much overdue change.

But I am not holding my breath. There is still too much money to be
made.

Nice summary, ACCURATE, right on track except you forgot to mention WHY
large corporations try
to 'separate it from us and make it theirs', and WHY there exists amoral
corporations (which can only exist led by amoral PEOPLE).

The answer is the same as what's caused the economic collapse creeping
around the WORLD!
It's >GREED<, an unbridled LOVE of money

Pathetic commentary when we see societies crumbling because people care
more about their inordinate indulgences than the well being of PEOPLE!

How SHAMEFUL.

 

[Dj Toonz]

Ever tried to buy a carburetor for a '57 Studebaker?

Good point that, I was thinking that myself, As it's the same thing, Some
thing's do last for years & people still want to use them as the old saying
is, is it ain't broke don't fix it or throw it out. But software company's
don't realise that yes there are still some people using older versions of
windows & not every body wants to use a newer version of windows. Vista to
me is a pile of rubbish, Yes I have used it for a few months and didn't like
it, due to the fact that Microsoft was controlling what I could do & not do
on the system, with the stupid alert box showing up on every action that I
wanted to do & also the system requirements just to run vista is stupid need
2 gig of ram just to do anything, yes you can install it & run it with 1 gig
of ram, but oh my god, how slow. Somebody I know run's XP on a p3 300 with
324 meg of ram & yes it does work but so slow. That's mainly why a lot of
people still use the older versions on machines, instead of throwing the
machine away as try to give it away, you can't do due to the end of live for
the updates, It's like now, when microsoft stop the end of live for windows
XP updates, what are people supposed to do, rush out & buy a new computer
with windows vista or windows 7 installed because the software companys have
stopped supporting XP, a circle of life

 

[Draggonfodder]

Not to be facetious, it's for the same reason that your late model car's
stereo doesn't support 8-Track cartridges; it's called progress. Old
technologies fade away as their market shares diminish past the point
where it's economically feasible for their manufacturers to continue
supporting them.


--

Actually, the 8 track killed itself and the auto manufacturers just went
with the flow. In this case, Microsoft doesn't want you to buy XP anymore
so they make the software developers stop making software that works on XP.
This would be like the auto manufacturers refusing to put a CD player in
your car because they want you to buy their service to XM radio. It is all
marketing and it really sucks. Just my opinion but I am probably correct in
my assuption.

John

 

[Bill Sharpe]

8 track cartridges? Luxury. I'm still playing cylinders.

I threw out all my 5 1/4-inch disks about five years ago and have
started weeding out the 3 1/2-inch ones.

I still have a bunch of 33, 45, and 78 rpm records. I have a turntable
that will play the 33's and 45's but I think the 78's will soon be
dumped or transferred to mp3's. Audacity has a feature that will adjust
the audio output to the proper speed even if played at the wrong speed.

Bill

 

[Bill in Co.]

I threw out all my 5 1/4-inch disks about five years ago and have
started weeding out the 3 1/2-inch ones.

I still have a bunch of 33, 45, and 78 rpm records. I have a turntable
that will play the 33's and 45's but I think the 78's will soon be
dumped or transferred to mp3's. Audacity has a feature that will adjust
the audio output to the proper speed even if played at the wrong speed.

Bill

Just be careful, Bill, as most 33/45 turntables don't come with the larger
diameter 78 stylus. Using that smaller diameter 33 stylus on a 78 record
is not a great idea, as the stylus will hit the groove bottom, instead of
just riding up on the groove walls as it should. (But, if you have no
other alternative, maybe that's the way it has to go).

 

[M.I.5¾]

Just be careful, Bill, as most 33/45 turntables don't come with the larger
diameter 78 stylus. Using that smaller diameter 33 stylus on a 78 record
is not a great idea, as the stylus will hit the groove bottom, instead of
just riding up on the groove walls as it should. (But, if you have no
other alternative, maybe that's the way it has to go).

If you do, don't use the one that you use for playing vinyl records.

Virtually any cartridge has a 78 stylus available for it, (including those
where the stylus is not user replaceable - but this will make it a dedicated
78 cartridge). To be really pedantic, there is really no such thing as a
generic 78 stylus as different record manufacturers required differing radii
for their needle (which is why they always stated that you should only use
their needles to play their records). The smallest was .0018 inch and the
largest .0042. Nobody used .003 inch which is in fact the compromise radius
used for generic 78 styli. Many of the more expensive cartridge
manufacturers offer the full range of radii.

These cartridges can also be used to play the French Pathé records by
reversing either channel (but not both) at the cartridge connections (Pathé
records were hill and dale cut and not the more usual lateral)

 

[Lil' Dave]

Nice summary, ACCURATE, right on track except you forgot to mention WHY
large corporations try
to 'separate it from us and make it theirs', and WHY there exists amoral
corporations (which can only exist led by amoral PEOPLE).

The answer is the same as what's caused the economic collapse creeping
around the WORLD!
It's >GREED<, an unbridled LOVE of money

Pathetic commentary when we see societies crumbling because people care
more about their inordinate indulgences than the well being of PEOPLE!

How SHAMEFUL.

The individual, and minority population of the market, is of no importance
in this scheme taken to the extreme that you describe. In that process, a
choice is removed. As a result, a consequence results not beneficial to the
individual or the minority market. The majority population of the market
only has concerns for itself. Unlikely is that population showing any
concern about that until the time comes when it affects them. So, its not
just the large corporations that sow the system that you describe. Its the
participant consumers as well.

Another fallacy, the home.
Its primary purpose WAS to provide shelter, and allow the dweller to proceed
a life within it by their own choices. The first a need, the second a
right.
Somewhere along the way, its become primary purpose as a financial security
instead.

 

[Bob I]

Actually, the 8 track killed itself and the auto manufacturers just went
with the flow. In this case, Microsoft doesn't want you to buy XP anymore
so they make the software developers stop making software that works on XP.
This would be like the auto manufacturers refusing to put a CD player in
your car because they want you to buy their service to XM radio. It is all
marketing and it really sucks. Just my opinion but I am probably correct in
my assuption.

John

You are right in that is is "just your opinion", but your "assumption"
about the rest is incorrect. The software companies can "write for any
operating system they choose to". They don't need any permission from
Microsoft.

 

[Bill in Co.]

If you do, don't use the one that you use for playing vinyl records.

Virtually any cartridge has a 78 stylus available for it, (including those
where the stylus is not user replaceable - but this will make it a
dedicated
78 cartridge). To be really pedantic, there is really no such thing as a
generic 78 stylus as different record manufacturers required differing
radii
for their needle (which is why they always stated that you should only use
their needles to play their records). The smallest was .0018 inch and the
largest .0042. Nobody used .003 inch which is in fact the compromise
radius
used for generic 78 styli. Many of the more expensive cartridge
manufacturers offer the full range of radii.

These cartridges can also be used to play the French Pathé records by
reversing either channel (but not both) at the cartridge connections
(Pathé
records were hill and dale cut and not the more usual lateral)

Hill and dale must be pretty old. Wonder when they (I mean most of them)
switched to lateral? Maybe in the 1920's?

Yup, as I recall now the generic diameter was 3 mil for a 78 stylus and 0.7
mil for a 33 stylus (although the good ones were elliptical, and not
conical), so using that as a rough estimate, the 78 stylus is in the order
of 4 times larger in diameter!

If he uses that 33 stylus on a 78 record, I figure it will be very noisy in
playback, and not all that great for the stylus OR the record, in terms of
wear and tear.

 

[Bill in Co.]

Corrected below.

If you do, don't use the one that you use for playing vinyl records.

Virtually any cartridge has a 78 stylus available for it, (including those
where the stylus is not user replaceable - but this will make it a
dedicated
78 cartridge). To be really pedantic, there is really no such thing as a
generic 78 stylus as different record manufacturers required differing
radii
for their needle (which is why they always stated that you should only use
their needles to play their records). The smallest was .0018 inch and the
largest .0042. Nobody used .003 inch which is in fact the compromise
radius
used for generic 78 styli. Many of the more expensive cartridge
manufacturers offer the full range of radii.

These cartridges can also be used to play the French Pathé records by
reversing either channel (but not both) at the cartridge connections
(Pathé
records were hill and dale cut and not the more usual lateral)

Hill and dale must be pretty old. Wonder when they (I mean most of them)
switched to lateral? Maybe in the 1920's?

Yup, as I recall now the generic diameter was 3 mil for a 78 stylus and 0.5
mil for a 33 stylus (although the good ones were elliptical, and not
conical), so using that as a rough estimate, the 78 stylus is in the order
of 4 times larger in diameter!

If he uses that 33 stylus on a 78 record, I figure it will be very noisy in
playback, and not all that great for the stylus OR the record, in terms of
wear and tear.