EULA arguments

[kurttrail]

If you don't like reading the EULA Wars, then don't, but as long as "
kurttrail" (sic) and his fellow trolls use deception, FUD, and
outright lies to discredit the EULA,

I don't use any deception, FUD, or lies.

I can guarantee you, that the War will continue.

LOL! All you know about it is what you can copy and paste!

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

As long as you don't feed me what you are eating, MicroOstrich!

http://microscum.com/carey/

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Peace!
Kurt
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[Vanguard]

I have kill filtered all headers to do with EULA.

Hmm, so the OP considered their own post so unimportant that they
killfiled their own post. Hee, hee, hee, hee, hee. Thanks for the
daily joke.

 

[Kerry Brown]

So a few people got the joke but just flamed me because they thought I was
stupid. I'll admit it came off as a bit of a troll instead of a joke and for
that I apologise.

I actually find the flame wars kind of silly but fun to read. As far as the
EULA is concerned I really don't care one way or the other. From a business
perspective I just live with it and try to make a living. If they want a
copy I'll sell them the hardware and they can find a copy and install it
without my support. If they buy a legitimate licence from me I'll support
them for the duration. Personally I have mixed feelings. While Windows is
reasonably priced in my mind, Office and other MS programs are way over
priced. I can understand the urge to copy. I also have seen the other side.
I spent a year developing a program only to have it stolen by the first
company I showed it to. I spent a lot of time investigating copyright law
only to decide I didn't have the funds to fight them. Copyright is a tangled
place where most reasonable people fear to tread. Money usually wins out.

One interesting side note. I was quite careful to make my original post
neutral as to my take on the EULA. Strangely most of the flames came from
the anti-Microsoft guys who assumed I was pro-Microsoft. I sell and support
Microsoft because that's what the customer wants. I would like nothing
better than to be installing Linux, or whatever, boxes but so far no one is
buying in any quantity. Hopefully one day that will change and competition
will force Microsoft to change their practices.

Kerry Brown
KDB Systems

 

[Bill Sharpe]

When I worked as a movie projectionist many moons ago, I'd always get
someone complaining about the rock music I played between movies, so I
kept a copy of that song handy, just for such occasions.

If they kept complaining after that, I'd play "Foward March" by Pat
Methany. It's a song that sounds like a marching band on a bad trip,
that almost has the effect of fingernails on a chalkboard.

 

[Bill Sharpe]

Enjoyed the whole thread, but got a bit off topic with the movie
projector post.

Bill

So a few people got the joke but just flamed me because they thought I
was
stupid. I'll admit it came off as a bit of a troll instead of a joke and
for
that I apologise.

I actually find the flame wars kind of silly but fun to read. As far as
the
EULA is concerned I really don't care one way or the other. From a
business
perspective I just live with it and try to make a living. If they want a
copy I'll sell them the hardware and they can find a copy and install it
without my support. If they buy a legitimate licence from me I'll
support
them for the duration. Personally I have mixed feelings. While Windows
is
reasonably priced in my mind, Office and other MS programs are way over
priced. I can understand the urge to copy. I also have seen the other
side.
I spent a year developing a program only to have it stolen by the first
company I showed it to. I spent a lot of time investigating copyright
law
only to decide I didn't have the funds to fight them. Copyright is a
tangled
place where most reasonable people fear to tread. Money usually wins
out.

One interesting side note. I was quite careful to make my original post
neutral as to my take on the EULA. Strangely most of the flames came
from
the anti-Microsoft guys who assumed I was pro-Microsoft. I sell and
support
Microsoft because that's what the customer wants. I would like nothing
better than to be installing Linux, or whatever, boxes but so far no one
is
buying in any quantity. Hopefully one day that will change and
competition
will force Microsoft to change their practices.

Kerry Brown
KDB Systems

 

[kurttrail]

You bring back memories. I was probably one of the complainers. The
music was too loud! And the record was scratchy.

Never used records, just tapes.

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Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[kurttrail]

So a few people got the joke but just flamed me because they thought
I was stupid. I'll admit it came off as a bit of a troll instead of a
joke and for that I apologise.

I actually find the flame wars kind of silly but fun to read. As far
as the EULA is concerned I really don't care one way or the other.
From a business perspective I just live with it and try to make a
living. If they want a copy I'll sell them the hardware and they can
find a copy and install it without my support. If they buy a
legitimate licence from me I'll support them for the duration.
Personally I have mixed feelings. While Windows is reasonably priced
in my mind, Office and other MS programs are way over priced. I can
understand the urge to copy. I also have seen the other side. I spent
a year developing a program only to have it stolen by the first
company I showed it to. I spent a lot of time investigating copyright
law only to decide I didn't have the funds to fight them. Copyright
is a tangled place where most reasonable people fear to tread. Money
usually wins out.
One interesting side note. I was quite careful to make my original
post neutral as to my take on the EULA. Strangely most of the flames
came from the anti-Microsoft guys who assumed I was pro-Microsoft. I
sell and support Microsoft because that's what the customer wants. I
would like nothing better than to be installing Linux, or whatever,
boxes but so far no one is buying in any quantity. Hopefully one day
that will change and competition will force Microsoft to change their
practices.

I didn't presume what side you were on, except that of stopping the war,
thereby stopping dissent to the MicroEULA Mantra.

And MS would be one of those companies that have infringed on small
developers copyrights and patents.

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Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[Kerry Brown]

I didn't presume what side you were on, except that of stopping the war,

thereby stopping dissent to the MicroEULA Mantra.

And MS would be one of those companies that have infringed on small
developers copyrights and patents.

Kurt

Your paranoia is showing

I didn't consider your reply to my original post a flame. It was a quite
well reasoned response. We may not agree 100% on the EULA but I suspect we
agree on more points than we disagree. I think Microsoft has the right to
try and protect against piracy including casual copying by home users. I
don't think the EULA as it exists would be enforcable in a court of law.
These next two points are probably where we disagree. I think the activation
scheme is a reasonable way to stop a lot of the casual copying. I also think
not allowing updates for obviously copied software would also be reasonable.
However that said, activation and not allowing updates may be just the thing
to get enough people pissed off enough that they will switch to something
else. And yes, I realise Microsoft doesn't have a spotless record with small
developers. Especially in the early days of MS-DOS they were not above
borrowing/re-using other's code libraries. I personally know of one
Vancouver, BC company that had some of their code incorporated in the
original MS-DOS shown to IBM. Needless to say they never received any
compensation, after all they were just subroutines not an actual program.

Kerry Brown
KDB Systems