dvd software

[Craig]

But you've got to buy a burner before you can use ANY freeware burning
software!

You're assuming everyone gets nero w/their writers Maynard. Or s/w
that's adequate for that matter.

-Craig

 

[John Corliss]

Yes I mean DVD Shrink I always get it mixed up if you look further down
the post I corrected myself and still did it again
try the following page on my site for link details

http://www.yesitsfree.co.uk/dvdcdburning.htm

Thanks to both you and CoMa for the clarification. I ran into DVDShrink
while Googling for ShrinkDVD and was wondering if that was what you had
meant, but I'd already posted my reply.

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett or Doc (who uses sock puppets)
for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware,
demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited
software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.

 

[Maynard Man]

You're assuming everyone gets nero w/their writers Maynard. Or s/w that's
adequate for that matter.

-Craig

Hi Craig,
Sorry, we seem to have cross purposes here. By burner, I meant the hardware
and I'm sensing you meant software. You have to buy the burner (hardware) to
use any software whether it be free or payware. I usually reply to your
posts as you are one of the VERY few who don't see the freeware issue as
black and white, you recognise the grey areas and respond in a logical
rather than blinkered manner. But surely here, if software comes free with a
burner, commercial or not, then it's still free? It will be scaled down and
have some features missing, but it was free. Strangely, I find myself being
a bit black and white here today (not completely )). I'm not bothered by
the issue of is it free or not as I feel we need the comparisons in the
first place, and use an inferior program for the sake of 20 twenty quid!

Dave

 

[bambam]

You're assuming everyone gets nero w/their writers Maynard. Or s/w
that's adequate for that matter.

Even if everyone did get a copy of nero, with their burner, it still
wouldn't make it freeware.

 

[Craig]

Hi Craig, ...I usually reply to your posts as you are one of the VERY
few who don't see the freeware issue as black and white, you
recognise the grey areas and respond in a logical rather than
blinkered manner.

I appreciate the compliment, Dave, but I'm afraid you're gonna be
disappointed...<grin> I'm not reactionary wrt freeware, rather wrt
on-topic vs off-. I really /do/ come here to read up on freeware. I
go elsewhere, for example, to read up on motorcycle maintenance (trust
me, we don't want to hear about Vauxhaul carburetion issues).

But surely here, if software comes free with a burner, commercial or
not, then it's still free?

The reason this matters is purely practical: The difference between
freeware and Nero is that *anyone* here can recreate a recommended
freeware software setup. Whereas, only those who received Nero as a
part of a purchase (or purchased it outright) may follow along.

In this instance: I do not own a copy of Nero. I do own a cd/dvd
writer. I follow threads w/titles like "dvd software" in a.c.f.
and...well, you know the rest. <grin> But really, I *can't* follow the
recommendation even though I'm in the /correct/ group.

Again, for me, this is not an issue of breaching Emily Post's etiquette
nor an issue of staying as "pure" as a vegan in a Costa Brava commune.
This is a real, rubber-hitting-the-road practicality. In this
particular instance, it affected me and I'm concerned that if I don't
speak up it will become the accepted norm.

I'm not bothered by the issue of is it free or not as I feel we need
the comparisons in the first place...

Comparisons are an intriguing idea that I'd like to explore. Maybe mark
them like we do for update announcements or just [OT]. That'd be very
interesting. (And this begs the question: Do you use Nero because it's
better than comparable freeware or because it didn't cost you?)

and use an inferior program for the sake of 20 twenty quid!

[editor's note: Lemme guess, "20 quid" is a sight more than "two bits"
but substantially less than a "benjamin..."]

Thanks for the thoughtful exchange Dave, very worthwhile.

-Craig

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:19:04 +0100, "Maynard Man"

But surely here, if software comes free with a
burner, commercial or not, then it's still free?

< snip >

Nope. If the cost of freeware is included in the cost of hardware it
isn't free. It is simply bundled. If the software was free then you
could get it without buying the hardware.

Regards, John.

 

[Ian Jackson]

Well, even though you got Nero with your burner, it isn't freeware, it
is still commercial software.

And yes, I purchased a Gateway 550 GR 3.2 GHZ comp almost 2 yrs ago
from Best Buy & it cam with a DVD+/-RW Burner & Nero Express came with
it but it isn't a freeware prog.

And while Nero is a good prog, I love using freeware burners since
these have many great features that commerical software has.

I really don't understand you guys who go berserk at the mention of
something which is not 110%, absolute, totally kosher freeware.

Yes, this a freeware NG (and an absolutely excellent one too), but I see
no harm in the occasional reference to something which is nagware,
adware or even payware, provided it is relevant to the topic and
promotes the objectives of the use of freeware.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not condoning the blatant promotion of payware
on this NG. However, if I were to ask for a freeware program to clean my
car, I would rather be advised of something which was not pure freeware,
rather than receive no satisfactory answer.

Ian.
--

 

[John Corliss]

I really don't understand you guys who go berserk at the mention of
something which is not 110%, absolute, totally kosher freeware.

Nobody is going "berserk". This group is unmoderated, and the only way
to keep the posts on topic is to express disagreement with posts
recommending off topic types of software. And besides, you're wrong.
Many kinds of non-freeware are regularly recommended in this group:

Careware
Donationware
Certain kinds of Liteware
Orphanware (when it's okay with the author to use it)
Postcardware
Registerware

Although I don't particularly agree with this, it's what the group over
time seems to have decided that they allow.

Yes, this a freeware NG (and an absolutely excellent one too), but I see
no harm in the occasional reference to something which is nagware,
adware or even payware, provided it is relevant to the topic and
promotes the objectives of the use of freeware.

Yes, discussion of such programs in the context of an example for the
features one is looking for in a freeware program (or one of the types
mentioned above) should not be a problem. However, recommending such
software when people come to this group wanting freeware is not a good
thing because it dilutes the effectiveness of this group.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not condoning the blatant promotion of payware
on this NG. However, if I were to ask for a freeware program to clean my
car, I would rather be advised of something which was not pure freeware,
rather than receive no satisfactory answer.

This is an old issue that has been discussed ad nauseum in this group.
Your stance is definitely the minority one from what I've seen over the
years. Please don't attack this group by trying to change the
guidelines. And note, I don't say "rules", I say "guidelines".

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett or Doc (who uses sock puppets)
for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware,
demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited
software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.

 

[Maynard Man]

I appreciate the compliment, Dave, but I'm afraid you're gonna be
disappointed...<grin> I'm not reactionary wrt freeware, rather wrt
on-topic vs off-. I really /do/ come here to read up on freeware. I
go elsewhere, for example, to read up on motorcycle maintenance (trust
me, we don't want to hear about Vauxhaul carburetion issues).

Carburetion issues? And theres me thinking you were trying to save the
planet! Don't they come with green injection units nowadays?

Comparisons are an intriguing idea that I'd like to explore. Maybe mark
them like we do for update announcements or just [OT]. That'd be very
interesting. (And this begs the question: Do you use Nero because it's
better than comparable freeware or because it didn't cost you?)

I paid for Nero Premium and must say I feel worth every penny. I have tried
most of the free ones and you can see why they are free. But I would not
come on here recomending everyone buy Nero as it not ethical wheras
recomending payware if there is NO good freeware available when someone is
in need of help is probably a grey area.

and use an inferior program for the sake of 20 twenty quid!

[editor's note: Lemme guess, "20 quid" is a sight more than "two bits" but
substantially less than a "benjamin..."]

Twenty English Pounds young man!
Can comprise of....
20 nuggets or 5 ladies or 2 teners

Essex boy, West Ham fanatic, ex ICF and proud of it LOL.

 

[Daniel Mandic]

You are also pregnant (markant) with your outsaying. Leading directly
to the point how it should be



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[John Corliss]

You are also pregnant (markant) with your outsaying. Leading directly
to the point how it should be

???? Sorry, sometimes Babelfish totally misses the mark.

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett or Doc (who uses sock puppets)
for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware,
demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited
software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.

 

[Guest]

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:19:04 +0100, "Maynard Man"



< snip >

Nope. If the cost of freeware is included in the cost of hardware it
isn't free. It is simply bundled. If the software was free then you
could get it without buying the hardware.

How about a compromise. If the poster has a freeware solution, let him post
it. Then, if he feels some payware is really worth the money, he can
mention it in another paragraph--sort of like an addendum.

But all answers should pertain to freeware.

Norm Strong

 

[Ian Jackson]

Nobody is going "berserk". This group is unmoderated, and the only way
to keep the posts on topic is to express disagreement with posts
recommending off topic types of software. And besides, you're wrong.
Many kinds of non-freeware are regularly recommended in this group:

Careware
Donationware
Certain kinds of Liteware
Orphanware (when it's okay with the author to use it)
Postcardware
Registerware

Although I don't particularly agree with this, it's what the group over
time seems to have decided that they allow.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. I never said that non-freeware was
not recommended in this NG. Neither am I really putting forward a case
for it to be recommended. Mentioned - yes. Recommended - probably not.

Yes, discussion of such programs in the context of an example for the
features one is looking for in a freeware program (or one of the types
mentioned above) should not be a problem. However, recommending such
software when people come to this group wanting freeware is not a good
thing because it dilutes the effectiveness of this group.

Why does it 'dilute the effectiveness' of the group simply to mention
that a non-freeware product exists?

This is an old issue that has been discussed ad nauseum in this group.
Your stance is definitely the minority one from what I've seen over the
years. Please don't attack this group by trying to change the
guidelines. And note, I don't say "rules", I say "guidelines".

I'm not attacking the group. I'm simply saying that I don't understand
why some people get so worked up when a non-freeware product is
mentioned in passing.

Ian.
--

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 08:43:17 +0100, Ian Jackson

Yes, this a freeware NG (and an absolutely excellent one too), but I see
no harm in the occasional reference to something which is nagware,
adware or even payware, provided it is relevant to the topic and
promotes the objectives of the use of freeware.

With that approach everyone with adware, nagware etc. would be posting
here every day saying that their program "promotes the objectives of
the use of freeware".

It would not take very long for there to be more adware, nagware
recommendations than freeware ones. Is that really what you want ?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not condoning the blatant promotion of payware
on this NG. However, if I were to ask for a freeware program to clean my
car, I would rather be advised of something which was not pure freeware,
rather than receive no satisfactory answer.

If people have adware, nagware, etc. recommendations for you then they
can email you. No need to put non freeware in a freeware newsgroup.

Regards, John.

--
****************************************************
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/ Oz \ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia.
\_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm
v http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/

 

[John Fitzsimons]

How about a compromise. If the poster has a freeware solution, let him post
it. Then, if he feels some payware is really worth the money, he can
mention it in another paragraph--sort of like an addendum.

Why do you prefer non freeware posts in a freeware newsgroup ? Your
idea would result in a (over time) this newsgroup being over run by
payware recommendations. With, no doubt, the comment "really worth the
money" being mentioned somewhere.

Why don't you agree with ...

http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html#(16) ?

But all answers should pertain to freeware.

So, saying that people here should spend $1,000+ on Photoshop in a
post would be fine by you IF the post included "and is much better as
an editor etc. than "xyz" freeware" ?

Norm Strong

--
****************************************************
,-._|\ (A.C.F FAQ) http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
/ Oz \ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia.
\_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm
v http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/

 

[AlleyCat]

Ripping
DVDFab Decrypter
http://www.dvdidle.com/free.htm

Compressing
DVD Shrink
http://www.dvdshrink.org/

Burning
ImgBurn
http://www.imgburn.com/

Doesn't DVD Shrink also rip, then compress, and use Nero to burn? I used
to use DVD Xcopy Platinum, but it seemed buggy and made a few coasters,
then switched to DVD Shrink. It seems to work fine. I'm using a very old
computer I built about 8 years ago. Is anybody using DVD Shrink as an
"all-in-one"? I analyze, rip and burn using Shrink. I have Nero 6, so I
guess shrink uses that to burn. How much time does it take to decrypt
and burn using Shrink? I'm guessing that since my computer is old, but
still works very well, that my times are going to be slower than, say,
someone with a P4 or an AMD64 Dual Core. Anybody? Thanks.

Al

 

[Daniel Mandic]

???? Sorry, sometimes Babelfish totally misses the mark.

Who cares about Babelfish, Google, Wikipedia and Co.

Write your own future. (no not you)



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[CoMa]

Doesn't DVD Shrink also rip, then compress, and use Nero to burn?

DVD Shrink can't rip the DVDs with the new copy protection thingys,
but DVDFab Decrypter can do that............ A friend told me that ;-)


DVD Shrink's developer has abandon his program,
and nowdays he works for Nero and he programmed Nero's
ripper program called Nero ReCode.



--

Regards
CoMa

http://hubbabub.deviantart.com/

 

[AlleyCat]

DVD Shrink can't rip the DVDs with the new copy protection thingys,

How new? I seem to be able to rip DVD's made in the last year or so.

Al