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Craig
Maynard said:
You're assuming everyone gets nero w/their writers Maynard. Or s/w
that's adequate for that matter.
-Craig
You're assuming everyone gets nero w/their writers Maynard. Or s/w
that's adequate for that matter.
-Craig
J
John Corliss
yesitsfree said:
Thanks to both you and CoMa for the clarification. I ran into DVDShrink
while Googling for ShrinkDVD and was wondering if that was what you had
meant, but I'd already posted my reply.
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Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett or Doc (who uses sock puppets)
for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware,
demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited
software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.
M
Maynard Man
Hi Craig,
Sorry, we seem to have cross purposes here. By burner, I meant the hardware
and I'm sensing you meant software. You have to buy the burner (hardware) to
use any software whether it be free or payware. I usually reply to your
posts as you are one of the VERY few who don't see the freeware issue as
black and white, you recognise the grey areas and respond in a logical
rather than blinkered manner. But surely here, if software comes free with a
burner, commercial or not, then it's still free? It will be scaled down and
have some features missing, but it was free. Strangely, I find myself being
a bit black and white here today (not completely
)). I'm not bothered bythe issue of is it free or not as I feel we need the comparisons in the
first place, and use an inferior program for the sake of 20 twenty quid!
Dave
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bambam
Even if everyone did get a copy of nero, with their burner, it still
wouldn't make it freeware.
C
Craig
Maynard said:
I appreciate the compliment, Dave, but I'm afraid you're gonna be
disappointed...<grin> I'm not reactionary wrt freeware, rather wrt
on-topic vs off-. I really /do/ come here to read up on freeware. I
go elsewhere, for example, to read up on motorcycle maintenance (trust
me, we don't want to hear about Vauxhaul carburetion issues).
The reason this matters is purely practical: The difference between
freeware and Nero is that *anyone* here can recreate a recommended
freeware software setup. Whereas, only those who received Nero as a
part of a purchase (or purchased it outright) may follow along.
In this instance: I do not own a copy of Nero. I do own a cd/dvd
writer. I follow threads w/titles like "dvd software" in a.c.f.
and...well, you know the rest. <grin> But really, I *can't* follow the
recommendation even though I'm in the /correct/ group.
Again, for me, this is not an issue of breaching Emily Post's etiquette
nor an issue of staying as "pure" as a vegan in a Costa Brava commune.
This is a real, rubber-hitting-the-road practicality. In this
particular instance, it affected me and I'm concerned that if I don't
speak up it will become the accepted norm.
Comparisons are an intriguing idea that I'd like to explore. Maybe mark
them like we do for update announcements or just [OT]. That'd be very
interesting. (And this begs the question: Do you use Nero because it's
better than comparable freeware or because it didn't cost you?)
[editor's note: Lemme guess, "20 quid" is a sight more than "two bits"
but substantially less than a "benjamin..."]
Thanks for the thoughtful exchange Dave, very worthwhile.
-Craig
J
John Fitzsimons
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:19:04 +0100, "Maynard Man"
< snip >
Nope. If the cost of freeware is included in the cost of hardware it
isn't free. It is simply bundled. If the software was free then you
could get it without buying the hardware.
Regards, John.
< snip >
Nope. If the cost of freeware is included in the cost of hardware it
isn't free. It is simply bundled. If the software was free then you
could get it without buying the hardware.
Regards, John.
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Ian Jackson
In message said:
I really don't understand you guys who go berserk at the mention of
something which is not 110%, absolute, totally kosher freeware.
Yes, this a freeware NG (and an absolutely excellent one too), but I see
no harm in the occasional reference to something which is nagware,
adware or even payware, provided it is relevant to the topic and
promotes the objectives of the use of freeware.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not condoning the blatant promotion of payware
on this NG. However, if I were to ask for a freeware program to clean my
car, I would rather be advised of something which was not pure freeware,
rather than receive no satisfactory answer.
Ian.
--
J
John Corliss
Ian said:
Nobody is going "berserk". This group is unmoderated, and the only way
to keep the posts on topic is to express disagreement with posts
recommending off topic types of software. And besides, you're wrong.
Many kinds of non-freeware are regularly recommended in this group:
Careware
Donationware
Certain kinds of Liteware
Orphanware (when it's okay with the author to use it)
Postcardware
Registerware
Although I don't particularly agree with this, it's what the group over
time seems to have decided that they allow.
Yes, discussion of such programs in the context of an example for the
features one is looking for in a freeware program (or one of the types
mentioned above) should not be a problem. However, recommending such
software when people come to this group wanting freeware is not a good
thing because it dilutes the effectiveness of this group.
This is an old issue that has been discussed ad nauseum in this group.
Your stance is definitely the minority one from what I've seen over the
years. Please don't attack this group by trying to change the
guidelines. And note, I don't say "rules", I say "guidelines".
--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett or Doc (who uses sock puppets)
for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware,
demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited
software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.
M
Maynard Man
Craig said:
Carburetion issues? And theres me thinking you were trying to save the
planet! Don't they come with green injection units nowadays?
I paid for Nero Premium and must say I feel worth every penny. I have tried
most of the free ones and you can see why they are free. But I would not
come on here recomending everyone buy Nero as it not ethical wheras
recomending payware if there is NO good freeware available when someone is
in need of help is probably a grey area.
Twenty English Pounds young man!
Can comprise of....
20 nuggets or 5 ladies or 2 teners
Essex boy, West Ham fanatic, ex ICF and proud of it LOL.
D
Daniel Mandic
You are also pregnant (markant) with your outsaying. Leading directly
to the point how it should be
Best Regards,
Daniel Mandic
to the point how it should be
Best Regards,
Daniel Mandic
J
John Corliss
Daniel said:You are also pregnant (markant) with your outsaying. Leading directly
to the point how it should be
???? Sorry, sometimes Babelfish totally misses the mark.
--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett or Doc (who uses sock puppets)
for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware,
demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited
software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.
G
Guest
John Fitzsimons said:
How about a compromise. If the poster has a freeware solution, let him post
it. Then, if he feels some payware is really worth the money, he can
mention it in another paragraph--sort of like an addendum.
But all answers should pertain to freeware.
Norm Strong
I
Ian Jackson
John Corliss said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at. I never said that non-freeware was
not recommended in this NG. Neither am I really putting forward a case
for it to be recommended. Mentioned - yes. Recommended - probably not.
Why does it 'dilute the effectiveness' of the group simply to mention
that a non-freeware product exists?
I'm not attacking the group. I'm simply saying that I don't understand
why some people get so worked up when a non-freeware product is
mentioned in passing.
Ian.
--
J
John Fitzsimons
On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 08:43:17 +0100, Ian Jackson
With that approach everyone with adware, nagware etc. would be posting
here every day saying that their program "promotes the objectives of
the use of freeware".
It would not take very long for there to be more adware, nagware
recommendations than freeware ones. Is that really what you want ?
If people have adware, nagware, etc. recommendations for you then they
can email you. No need to put non freeware in a freeware newsgroup.
Regards, John.
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With that approach everyone with adware, nagware etc. would be posting
here every day saying that their program "promotes the objectives of
the use of freeware".
It would not take very long for there to be more adware, nagware
recommendations than freeware ones. Is that really what you want ?
If people have adware, nagware, etc. recommendations for you then they
can email you. No need to put non freeware in a freeware newsgroup.
Regards, John.
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John Fitzsimons
Why do you prefer non freeware posts in a freeware newsgroup ? Your
idea would result in a (over time) this newsgroup being over run by
payware recommendations. With, no doubt, the comment "really worth the
money" being mentioned somewhere.
Why don't you agree with ...
http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html#(16) ?
So, saying that people here should spend $1,000+ on Photoshop in a
post would be fine by you IF the post included "and is much better as
an editor etc. than "xyz" freeware" ?
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AlleyCat
hubbabub- said:
Doesn't DVD Shrink also rip, then compress, and use Nero to burn? I used
to use DVD Xcopy Platinum, but it seemed buggy and made a few coasters,
then switched to DVD Shrink. It seems to work fine. I'm using a very old
computer I built about 8 years ago. Is anybody using DVD Shrink as an
"all-in-one"? I analyze, rip and burn using Shrink. I have Nero 6, so I
guess shrink uses that to burn. How much time does it take to decrypt
and burn using Shrink? I'm guessing that since my computer is old, but
still works very well, that my times are going to be slower than, say,
someone with a P4 or an AMD64 Dual Core. Anybody? Thanks.
Al
D
Daniel Mandic
John said:
Who cares about Babelfish, Google, Wikipedia and Co.
Write your own future. (no not you)
Best Regards,
Daniel Mandic
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CoMa
DVD Shrink can't rip the DVDs with the new copy protection thingys,
but DVDFab Decrypter can do that............ A friend told me that ;-)
DVD Shrink's developer has abandon his program,
and nowdays he works for Nero and he programmed Nero's
ripper program called Nero ReCode.
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Regards
CoMa
http://hubbabub.deviantart.com/
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AlleyCat
hubbabub- said:
How new? I seem to be able to rip DVD's made in the last year or so.
Al