Cutting the wire on a sailboat

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Skip Gundlach

Hi, y'all,

In addition to a Hawking 54G desktop unit, which serves me reasonably well
(even though I use it in a sheltered outdoor environment, using an active
USB extension cable), but has some limitations for what I want to do, I've
got this neat bridge (Senao 2611DB3 Deluxe) in a NEMA enclosure atop
the mast, with an 8.5 dBi antenna connected to it via a 6" pigtail
(virtually no signal loss). It's 200mw, so it reaches out really far (23
dBm). Its antenna
is omidirectional so it doesn't matter which direction the boat's pointing.
The signal pattern is fat enough to cover sea level to many hundred feet
high from the typical anchoring location. It's point-to-multipoint so it
can see any available "visible" access point. Because my XP network program
controls for me, I can select which of the available access points it sees
that I want to talk to.

Connected to my computer via ethernet, and powered with 12V via separately
appropriately sized wire, both up the mast, it sees a WAAAY farther than the
card in my laptop would, allowing me a great deal more latitude in finding a
usable signal when I'm at anchor, wherever that may be.

However, I'd really like to shed the wired connection (the ethernet
connected to my computer, as it's a laptop and I'd like to be able to carry
it up on deck without a tether).

Unfortunately, a bridge won't talk in both directions over the antenna. How
can I get some other wireless device (one which can talk to my computer) to
seamlessly (so I see my remote AP as though it were coming in via my laptop
antenna) talk to my bridge?

There may be a variety of voltages of whatever this device may need; I'll
work out getting power to it (but 12V, being a boat, would be preferable),
and, as long as I'm having more than one I'll put it up the mast, in the
enclosure, too, so there's essentially no distance between the two, in case
that's of any issue.

Can this be done? Can I put some other wireless device (that is, which can
see my computer's wifi) in connection with my bridge, so I can see (and
choose which of potentially many) a remote AP? If so, what is that device?

Better, is there a device which already integrates those functions? I need
the wattage for power, the N-connector (or pigtail) for the hi-gain stick,
and the means of communication to the top of the mast both from shore and
from the deck (which my laptop wifi can see without extra help like the
Hawking 54G or other signal boosters) so that I can choose, like a hotspot
finder would, the particular shorepoint I want.

FWIW, what's prompted this search is the intractible IP conflicts which
arise whenever I connect two of these (2611DB3) together, one set as AP and
the other as bridge. They work fine in either wireless mode or ethernet,
connected to my laptop one at a time (with the other on the other, wifi or
cat5 connection). No amount of IP configuration fiddling will change that
behavior when they're linked via cat5, so I presume there's some internal
conflict between the units when connected together. I'm ready to ditch that
setup, if there's something else which will do the job, either the AP side
of the two I have, or a single unit resulting in the ditching of both of
them.

Thanks.

L8R

Skip, trying to cruise with connectivity, but not by wire

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
 
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Alceryes

cat5 connection). No amount of IP configuration fiddling will change that
behavior when they're linked via cat5,



Are you using a straight cat5 or crossover cable? Unless you have one end
plugged into a port labeled 'uplink' you need to use a crossover cable.
--


"I don't cheat to survive. I cheat to LIVE!!"
- Alceryes
 
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Paul

"Skip Gundlach" said:
Hi, y'all,

In addition to a Hawking 54G desktop unit, which serves me reasonably well
(even though I use it in a sheltered outdoor environment, using an active
USB extension cable), but has some limitations for what I want to do, I've
got this neat bridge (Senao 2611DB3 Deluxe) in a NEMA enclosure atop
the mast, with an 8.5 dBi antenna connected to it via a 6" pigtail
(virtually no signal loss). It's 200mw, so it reaches out really far (23
dBm). Its antenna
is omidirectional so it doesn't matter which direction the boat's pointing.
The signal pattern is fat enough to cover sea level to many hundred feet
high from the typical anchoring location. It's point-to-multipoint so it
can see any available "visible" access point. Because my XP network program
controls for me, I can select which of the available access points it sees
that I want to talk to.

Connected to my computer via ethernet, and powered with 12V via separately
appropriately sized wire, both up the mast, it sees a WAAAY farther than the
card in my laptop would, allowing me a great deal more latitude in finding a
usable signal when I'm at anchor, wherever that may be.

However, I'd really like to shed the wired connection (the ethernet
connected to my computer, as it's a laptop and I'd like to be able to carry
it up on deck without a tether).

Unfortunately, a bridge won't talk in both directions over the antenna. How
can I get some other wireless device (one which can talk to my computer) to
seamlessly (so I see my remote AP as though it were coming in via my laptop
antenna) talk to my bridge?

There may be a variety of voltages of whatever this device may need; I'll
work out getting power to it (but 12V, being a boat, would be preferable),
and, as long as I'm having more than one I'll put it up the mast, in the
enclosure, too, so there's essentially no distance between the two, in case
that's of any issue.

Can this be done? Can I put some other wireless device (that is, which can
see my computer's wifi) in connection with my bridge, so I can see (and
choose which of potentially many) a remote AP? If so, what is that device?

Better, is there a device which already integrates those functions? I need
the wattage for power, the N-connector (or pigtail) for the hi-gain stick,
and the means of communication to the top of the mast both from shore and
from the deck (which my laptop wifi can see without extra help like the
Hawking 54G or other signal boosters) so that I can choose, like a hotspot
finder would, the particular shorepoint I want.

FWIW, what's prompted this search is the intractible IP conflicts which
arise whenever I connect two of these (2611DB3) together, one set as AP and
the other as bridge. They work fine in either wireless mode or ethernet,
connected to my laptop one at a time (with the other on the other, wifi or
cat5 connection). No amount of IP configuration fiddling will change that
behavior when they're linked via cat5, so I presume there's some internal
conflict between the units when connected together. I'm ready to ditch that
setup, if there's something else which will do the job, either the AP side
of the two I have, or a single unit resulting in the ditching of both of
them.

Thanks.

L8R

Skip, trying to cruise with connectivity, but not by wire

This sounds like some kind of repeater function. Like many of these
products, the manufacturer thinks you know as much as the
developer who made it. This particular example does have an
Ethernet cable, but perhaps the value of the cable, is for secure
setup when first configuring it. Now, _if_ the config is stored
in NVRAM, maybe you'd never have to use the cable after first
loading up the config.

http://www.buffalotech.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=92&categoryid=6
http://www.buffalotech.com/downloads/WLA2G54C_Manual.pdf

The function you want, could be the "wireless distribution system"
or WDS mentioned on the product page. Perhaps some search engine
work using WDS will turn up some more products.

For example, there is a description of WDS, and the thread is
from 2004.

http://www.wifi-forum.com/wf/showthread.php?t=844

Note that the Buffalo product has a 35C 80% humidity spec, which
may not be a good fit for life on the mast.

This product mentions WDS.
http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WG302.php

PDF page 81 and Access Point 2 shows a repeater function of sorts.
http://kbserver.netgear.com/pdf/wg302_ref_manual_11july05.pdf

I hope you work for NASA, because you'll need to borrow a
rocket scientist to get this working :)

Paul
 
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Skip Gundlach

Yup, crossover, both a 4" pigtail I built, and the one supplied by the
vendor. Just to make sure that wasn't the problem, I also tried
straight-throughs, with no result.

L8R

Skip

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
 
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Skip Gundlach

I'll do the research on the sources you've provided - but I agree that it
would be a repeater in function.

The Senao 3054 *says* repeater in its description, but all my reading of the
hype and manuals look exactly (functionally) like the 2611s I already have,
and it's only 100mw, a step backward.

I'm dismayed to think that this should be a major mental project. I refuse
to believe I'm the only one who wants to do this (put something somewhere
that a laptop wifi can see, but which can talk to other, selectable, APs,
wardriving style) - but so far, I've certainly not seen anything which does
it...

L8R

Skip, frustrated

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
 
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Alceryes

Yup, crossover, both a 4" pigtail I built, and the one supplied by the
vendor. Just to make sure that wasn't the problem, I also tried
straight-throughs, with no result.


I'd try a standard wireless router in place of your access point. As long as
you can supply it with the right juice it'll work just fine and should be
much more flexible then what you currently have. I'm not familiar with the
antenna system you are using. Does the antenna supply it's own juice or get
it from the AP it connects to? The antenna connector used by most wireless
routers is a standard BNC connector. Alternately you could use a wireless
router in bridge mode and connect it to your current AP (I think).
--


"I don't cheat to survive. I cheat to LIVE!!"
- Alceryes
 

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