Control panel crashes

G

Guest

When accessing the control panel and clicking an icon such as the printer,
system or even changing from classic view to category view I will usually
(but not always) get an error report. This will sometimes happen when I try
to access "explore" by right clicking on the START button. This has been
happening since the compeuer was new (about 2 years). The Dr Watson file
contains lines such as Application exception occurred:
App: C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE (pid=1892)
When: 4/03/2005 @ 16:32:27.578
Exception number: c0000005 (access violation)

*----> System Information <----*
Computer Name: PETER
User Name: Peter1
Terminal Session Id: 0
Number of Processors: 1
Processor Type: x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1
Windows Version: 5.1
Current Build: 2600
Service Pack: 2
Current Type: Uniprocessor Free
and
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols for
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll -

There are lots of these error messages. There are also fault messages such as
FAULT ->76991716 8b31 mov esi,[ecx]
ds:0023:000401f8=????????

Is anyone able to help?
 
M

Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)

First, be sure your antivirus software has the latest definitions and run a
virus scan.

Also, download, install and run Ad Aware:
www.lavasoftusa.com

If your system is clear of viruses and any malware, open Control Panel, open
System, go to
the Advanced tab, click Settings under Startup and Recovery, remove the
check from "Automatically Restart" under System Failure. This will cause
the system to blue screen instead of restarting on errors and the
information on the blue screen may give a clue as to the source of the
issue.

Assuming you have an XP CD and not a recovery CD, place the XP CD in the
drive, when the setup screen appears, select "Check System Compatibility,"
the report it generates may point to problem hardware or software on your
system. If you do not have an XP CD, you can download this application
known as the Upgrade Advisor from the following site:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/advisor.asp
Note: If you have access to a broadband connection it might be best to
download using that as this is a rather large download.

Check for the latest drivers for your hardware, especially your graphics
card and soundcard and all peripherals connected to your system. No not use
Windows Update for this, go to the device manufacturer's web sites and if
you install updated drivers, ignore the message about drivers being unsigned
by Microsoft.
 
G

Guest

1. I have Trend Micro PC-Cillin 2005 with the latest patterns
2. I downloaded Ad Aware and it only found a few minor problems which are
now fixed
3. I changed the automatic restart button but it still only exits the
application, no blue screen
4. I attempted the application check but I get the message "Setup cannot
continue because the version of Windows on your computer is newer than the
version on the CD." whether I use the Windows CD or the internet download. I
assume this has something to do with Service Pack 2.
5. I have installed the latest drivers for the system (except BIOS) and
peripherals

I still get the same problem as before.

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
First, be sure your antivirus software has the latest definitions and run a
virus scan.

Also, download, install and run Ad Aware:
www.lavasoftusa.com

If your system is clear of viruses and any malware, open Control Panel, open
System, go to
the Advanced tab, click Settings under Startup and Recovery, remove the
check from "Automatically Restart" under System Failure. This will cause
the system to blue screen instead of restarting on errors and the
information on the blue screen may give a clue as to the source of the
issue.

Assuming you have an XP CD and not a recovery CD, place the XP CD in the
drive, when the setup screen appears, select "Check System Compatibility,"
the report it generates may point to problem hardware or software on your
system. If you do not have an XP CD, you can download this application
known as the Upgrade Advisor from the following site:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/advisor.asp
Note: If you have access to a broadband connection it might be best to
download using that as this is a rather large download.

Check for the latest drivers for your hardware, especially your graphics
card and soundcard and all peripherals connected to your system. No not use
Windows Update for this, go to the device manufacturer's web sites and if
you install updated drivers, ignore the message about drivers being unsigned
by Microsoft.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

PeterD said:
When accessing the control panel and clicking an icon such as the printer,
system or even changing from classic view to category view I will usually
(but not always) get an error report. This will sometimes happen when I
try
to access "explore" by right clicking on the START button. This has been
happening since the compeuer was new (about 2 years). The Dr Watson file
contains lines such as Application exception occurred:
App: C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE (pid=1892)
When: 4/03/2005 @ 16:32:27.578
Exception number: c0000005 (access violation)

*----> System Information <----*
Computer Name: PETER
User Name: Peter1
Terminal Session Id: 0
Number of Processors: 1
Processor Type: x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1
Windows Version: 5.1
Current Build: 2600
Service Pack: 2
Current Type: Uniprocessor Free
and
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols
for
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll -

There are lots of these error messages. There are also fault messages such
as
FAULT ->76991716 8b31 mov esi,[ecx]
ds:0023:000401f8=????????

Is anyone able to help?
 
M

Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)

Yes, number 4 is due to Service Pack 2, you would have to remove it first.

You can try the following but if you get to the repair install option,
meaning the other things I've mention below do not resolve the issue, you
will need to remove Service Pack 2 first or you will receive the same error.

As to number 3, it only applies in a situation where the system is randomly
rebooting on errors. I need to revise that part of the response. I
apologize for any misunderstanding in that regard.

One other point, did you run an antivirus scan. Simply having such app
installed with the latest definitions is not enough, you need to scan as you
did for malware.

If this is a relatively recent issue, you might try using System Restore to
take you back to a time when this worked properly. Start\All
Programs\Accessories\System Tools\System Restore. If that doesn't resolve
it, try the information below.

The following assumes you have an actual XP CD as opposed to a restore CD or
restore partition supplied by your PC manufacturer.

Go to Start, type sfc /scannow in the run box and press enter. Note, there
is a space between sfc and the forward slash. You will be asked for your XP
CD. Be aware, upon inserting the CD the XP setup screen may appear, this is
not a part of sfc /scannow, rather it is being invoked by autorun. Simply
minimize the screen and allow sfc to continue.

If the above fails to resolve the issue, try a repair install as follows:

Be sure you are well backed up in case there is a problem from which you are
unable to recover. NOTE, while a repair install should leave your data
files intact, if something goes wrong during the repair install, you may be
forced to start over and do a clean install of XP. If you don't have your
data backed up, you would lose your data should that eventuality occur.

Assuming your system is set to boot from the CD-ROM drive, boot with the XP
CD in the drive. If it isn't or you are not sure, you need to enter the
system's BIOS. When you boot the system, the first screen usually has
instructions that if you wish to enter setup press a specific key, when you
see that, do so. Then you will have to navigate to the boot sequence, if
the CD-ROM drive is not first line, set it first in the boot sequence. Save
your settings and exit with the XP CD in the drive. The system will reboot.

Boot from the CD. If your system is set to be able to boot from the CD, it
should detect the disk and give a brief message, during the boot up, if you
wish to boot from the CD press any key.

Once you have pressed a key, setup should begin. You will see a reference
asking if you need to load special drivers and another notice that if you
wish to begin the ASR (Automatic Recovery Console) depress F2. Just let
setup run past all of that. It will continue to load files and drivers.

Then it will bring you to a screen. Eventually, you will come to a screen
with the option to (1) setup Windows or (2) Repair Windows Installation
using the Recovery console.

The first option, to setup Windows is the one you want and requires you to
press enter. When asked, press F8 to accept the end user agreement. Setup
will then search for previous versions of Windows. Upon finding your
version, it will ask if you wish to Repair your current installation or
install fresh. Press R, that will run a repair installation. From there
on, follow the screens.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


PeterD said:
1. I have Trend Micro PC-Cillin 2005 with the latest patterns
2. I downloaded Ad Aware and it only found a few minor problems which are
now fixed
3. I changed the automatic restart button but it still only exits the
application, no blue screen
4. I attempted the application check but I get the message "Setup cannot
continue because the version of Windows on your computer is newer than the
version on the CD." whether I use the Windows CD or the internet download.
I
assume this has something to do with Service Pack 2.
5. I have installed the latest drivers for the system (except BIOS) and
peripherals

I still get the same problem as before.

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
First, be sure your antivirus software has the latest definitions and run
a
virus scan.

Also, download, install and run Ad Aware:
www.lavasoftusa.com

If your system is clear of viruses and any malware, open Control Panel,
open
System, go to
the Advanced tab, click Settings under Startup and Recovery, remove the
check from "Automatically Restart" under System Failure. This will cause
the system to blue screen instead of restarting on errors and the
information on the blue screen may give a clue as to the source of the
issue.

Assuming you have an XP CD and not a recovery CD, place the XP CD in the
drive, when the setup screen appears, select "Check System
Compatibility,"
the report it generates may point to problem hardware or software on your
system. If you do not have an XP CD, you can download this application
known as the Upgrade Advisor from the following site:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/advisor.asp
Note: If you have access to a broadband connection it might be best to
download using that as this is a rather large download.

Check for the latest drivers for your hardware, especially your graphics
card and soundcard and all peripherals connected to your system. No not
use
Windows Update for this, go to the device manufacturer's web sites and if
you install updated drivers, ignore the message about drivers being
unsigned
by Microsoft.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

PeterD said:
When accessing the control panel and clicking an icon such as the
printer,
system or even changing from classic view to category view I will
usually
(but not always) get an error report. This will sometimes happen when I
try
to access "explore" by right clicking on the START button. This has
been
happening since the compeuer was new (about 2 years). The Dr Watson
file
contains lines such as Application exception occurred:
App: C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE (pid=1892)
When: 4/03/2005 @ 16:32:27.578
Exception number: c0000005 (access violation)

*----> System Information <----*
Computer Name: PETER
User Name: Peter1
Terminal Session Id: 0
Number of Processors: 1
Processor Type: x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1
Windows Version: 5.1
Current Build: 2600
Service Pack: 2
Current Type: Uniprocessor Free
and
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols
for
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll -

There are lots of these error messages. There are also fault messages
such
as
FAULT ->76991716 8b31 mov esi,[ecx]
ds:0023:000401f8=????????

Is anyone able to help?
 
G

Guest

Thankyou for your help so far.
I have followed all of your instructions but the problem is still there. I
have uninstalled all non-essential software. I have also done a registry
clean. I am beginning to think there is a hardware problem. Since this
problem has existed from new I may have a hardware problem from the start. I
have another computer which is identical to this one except for some software
and it is OK.

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
Yes, number 4 is due to Service Pack 2, you would have to remove it first.

You can try the following but if you get to the repair install option,
meaning the other things I've mention below do not resolve the issue, you
will need to remove Service Pack 2 first or you will receive the same error.

As to number 3, it only applies in a situation where the system is randomly
rebooting on errors. I need to revise that part of the response. I
apologize for any misunderstanding in that regard.

One other point, did you run an antivirus scan. Simply having such app
installed with the latest definitions is not enough, you need to scan as you
did for malware.

If this is a relatively recent issue, you might try using System Restore to
take you back to a time when this worked properly. Start\All
Programs\Accessories\System Tools\System Restore. If that doesn't resolve
it, try the information below.

The following assumes you have an actual XP CD as opposed to a restore CD or
restore partition supplied by your PC manufacturer.

Go to Start, type sfc /scannow in the run box and press enter. Note, there
is a space between sfc and the forward slash. You will be asked for your XP
CD. Be aware, upon inserting the CD the XP setup screen may appear, this is
not a part of sfc /scannow, rather it is being invoked by autorun. Simply
minimize the screen and allow sfc to continue.

If the above fails to resolve the issue, try a repair install as follows:

Be sure you are well backed up in case there is a problem from which you are
unable to recover. NOTE, while a repair install should leave your data
files intact, if something goes wrong during the repair install, you may be
forced to start over and do a clean install of XP. If you don't have your
data backed up, you would lose your data should that eventuality occur.

Assuming your system is set to boot from the CD-ROM drive, boot with the XP
CD in the drive. If it isn't or you are not sure, you need to enter the
system's BIOS. When you boot the system, the first screen usually has
instructions that if you wish to enter setup press a specific key, when you
see that, do so. Then you will have to navigate to the boot sequence, if
the CD-ROM drive is not first line, set it first in the boot sequence. Save
your settings and exit with the XP CD in the drive. The system will reboot.

Boot from the CD. If your system is set to be able to boot from the CD, it
should detect the disk and give a brief message, during the boot up, if you
wish to boot from the CD press any key.

Once you have pressed a key, setup should begin. You will see a reference
asking if you need to load special drivers and another notice that if you
wish to begin the ASR (Automatic Recovery Console) depress F2. Just let
setup run past all of that. It will continue to load files and drivers.

Then it will bring you to a screen. Eventually, you will come to a screen
with the option to (1) setup Windows or (2) Repair Windows Installation
using the Recovery console.

The first option, to setup Windows is the one you want and requires you to
press enter. When asked, press F8 to accept the end user agreement. Setup
will then search for previous versions of Windows. Upon finding your
version, it will ask if you wish to Repair your current installation or
install fresh. Press R, that will run a repair installation. From there
on, follow the screens.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


PeterD said:
1. I have Trend Micro PC-Cillin 2005 with the latest patterns
2. I downloaded Ad Aware and it only found a few minor problems which are
now fixed
3. I changed the automatic restart button but it still only exits the
application, no blue screen
4. I attempted the application check but I get the message "Setup cannot
continue because the version of Windows on your computer is newer than the
version on the CD." whether I use the Windows CD or the internet download.
I
assume this has something to do with Service Pack 2.
5. I have installed the latest drivers for the system (except BIOS) and
peripherals

I still get the same problem as before.

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
First, be sure your antivirus software has the latest definitions and run
a
virus scan.

Also, download, install and run Ad Aware:
www.lavasoftusa.com

If your system is clear of viruses and any malware, open Control Panel,
open
System, go to
the Advanced tab, click Settings under Startup and Recovery, remove the
check from "Automatically Restart" under System Failure. This will cause
the system to blue screen instead of restarting on errors and the
information on the blue screen may give a clue as to the source of the
issue.

Assuming you have an XP CD and not a recovery CD, place the XP CD in the
drive, when the setup screen appears, select "Check System
Compatibility,"
the report it generates may point to problem hardware or software on your
system. If you do not have an XP CD, you can download this application
known as the Upgrade Advisor from the following site:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/advisor.asp
Note: If you have access to a broadband connection it might be best to
download using that as this is a rather large download.

Check for the latest drivers for your hardware, especially your graphics
card and soundcard and all peripherals connected to your system. No not
use
Windows Update for this, go to the device manufacturer's web sites and if
you install updated drivers, ignore the message about drivers being
unsigned
by Microsoft.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

When accessing the control panel and clicking an icon such as the
printer,
system or even changing from classic view to category view I will
usually
(but not always) get an error report. This will sometimes happen when I
try
to access "explore" by right clicking on the START button. This has
been
happening since the compeuer was new (about 2 years). The Dr Watson
file
contains lines such as Application exception occurred:
App: C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE (pid=1892)
When: 4/03/2005 @ 16:32:27.578
Exception number: c0000005 (access violation)

*----> System Information <----*
Computer Name: PETER
User Name: Peter1
Terminal Session Id: 0
Number of Processors: 1
Processor Type: x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1
Windows Version: 5.1
Current Build: 2600
Service Pack: 2
Current Type: Uniprocessor Free
and
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols
for
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll -

There are lots of these error messages. There are also fault messages
such
as
FAULT ->76991716 8b31 mov esi,[ecx]
ds:0023:000401f8=????????

Is anyone able to help?
 
M

Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)

Okay, the next step would be to remove hardware items, except mouse and
keyboard, one by one along with any related software for them. Start with
your peripherals, remove one by one, then run the system for a bit after
each removal to see if you still have the problem. If yes, then move on to
internal hardware except of course for the graphics card. However, if you
get down to only the graphics card remaining, if you have access to a
different card, swap out the current card for the other one and see if you
still have the issue.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


PeterD said:
Thankyou for your help so far.
I have followed all of your instructions but the problem is still there. I
have uninstalled all non-essential software. I have also done a registry
clean. I am beginning to think there is a hardware problem. Since this
problem has existed from new I may have a hardware problem from the start.
I
have another computer which is identical to this one except for some
software
and it is OK.

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
Yes, number 4 is due to Service Pack 2, you would have to remove it
first.

You can try the following but if you get to the repair install option,
meaning the other things I've mention below do not resolve the issue, you
will need to remove Service Pack 2 first or you will receive the same
error.

As to number 3, it only applies in a situation where the system is
randomly
rebooting on errors. I need to revise that part of the response. I
apologize for any misunderstanding in that regard.

One other point, did you run an antivirus scan. Simply having such app
installed with the latest definitions is not enough, you need to scan as
you
did for malware.

If this is a relatively recent issue, you might try using System Restore
to
take you back to a time when this worked properly. Start\All
Programs\Accessories\System Tools\System Restore. If that doesn't
resolve
it, try the information below.

The following assumes you have an actual XP CD as opposed to a restore CD
or
restore partition supplied by your PC manufacturer.

Go to Start, type sfc /scannow in the run box and press enter. Note,
there
is a space between sfc and the forward slash. You will be asked for your
XP
CD. Be aware, upon inserting the CD the XP setup screen may appear, this
is
not a part of sfc /scannow, rather it is being invoked by autorun.
Simply
minimize the screen and allow sfc to continue.

If the above fails to resolve the issue, try a repair install as follows:

Be sure you are well backed up in case there is a problem from which you
are
unable to recover. NOTE, while a repair install should leave your data
files intact, if something goes wrong during the repair install, you may
be
forced to start over and do a clean install of XP. If you don't have
your
data backed up, you would lose your data should that eventuality occur.

Assuming your system is set to boot from the CD-ROM drive, boot with the
XP
CD in the drive. If it isn't or you are not sure, you need to enter the
system's BIOS. When you boot the system, the first screen usually has
instructions that if you wish to enter setup press a specific key, when
you
see that, do so. Then you will have to navigate to the boot sequence, if
the CD-ROM drive is not first line, set it first in the boot sequence.
Save
your settings and exit with the XP CD in the drive. The system will
reboot.

Boot from the CD. If your system is set to be able to boot from the CD,
it
should detect the disk and give a brief message, during the boot up, if
you
wish to boot from the CD press any key.

Once you have pressed a key, setup should begin. You will see a
reference
asking if you need to load special drivers and another notice that if you
wish to begin the ASR (Automatic Recovery Console) depress F2. Just let
setup run past all of that. It will continue to load files and drivers.

Then it will bring you to a screen. Eventually, you will come to a
screen
with the option to (1) setup Windows or (2) Repair Windows Installation
using the Recovery console.

The first option, to setup Windows is the one you want and requires you
to
press enter. When asked, press F8 to accept the end user agreement.
Setup
will then search for previous versions of Windows. Upon finding your
version, it will ask if you wish to Repair your current installation or
install fresh. Press R, that will run a repair installation. From there
on, follow the screens.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


PeterD said:
1. I have Trend Micro PC-Cillin 2005 with the latest patterns
2. I downloaded Ad Aware and it only found a few minor problems which
are
now fixed
3. I changed the automatic restart button but it still only exits the
application, no blue screen
4. I attempted the application check but I get the message "Setup
cannot
continue because the version of Windows on your computer is newer than
the
version on the CD." whether I use the Windows CD or the internet
download.
I
assume this has something to do with Service Pack 2.
5. I have installed the latest drivers for the system (except BIOS) and
peripherals

I still get the same problem as before.

:

First, be sure your antivirus software has the latest definitions and
run
a
virus scan.

Also, download, install and run Ad Aware:
www.lavasoftusa.com

If your system is clear of viruses and any malware, open Control
Panel,
open
System, go to
the Advanced tab, click Settings under Startup and Recovery, remove
the
check from "Automatically Restart" under System Failure. This will
cause
the system to blue screen instead of restarting on errors and the
information on the blue screen may give a clue as to the source of the
issue.

Assuming you have an XP CD and not a recovery CD, place the XP CD in
the
drive, when the setup screen appears, select "Check System
Compatibility,"
the report it generates may point to problem hardware or software on
your
system. If you do not have an XP CD, you can download this
application
known as the Upgrade Advisor from the following site:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/advisor.asp
Note: If you have access to a broadband connection it might be best to
download using that as this is a rather large download.

Check for the latest drivers for your hardware, especially your
graphics
card and soundcard and all peripherals connected to your system. No
not
use
Windows Update for this, go to the device manufacturer's web sites and
if
you install updated drivers, ignore the message about drivers being
unsigned
by Microsoft.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

When accessing the control panel and clicking an icon such as the
printer,
system or even changing from classic view to category view I will
usually
(but not always) get an error report. This will sometimes happen
when I
try
to access "explore" by right clicking on the START button. This has
been
happening since the compeuer was new (about 2 years). The Dr Watson
file
contains lines such as Application exception occurred:
App: C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE (pid=1892)
When: 4/03/2005 @ 16:32:27.578
Exception number: c0000005 (access violation)

*----> System Information <----*
Computer Name: PETER
User Name: Peter1
Terminal Session Id: 0
Number of Processors: 1
Processor Type: x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1
Windows Version: 5.1
Current Build: 2600
Service Pack: 2
Current Type: Uniprocessor Free
and
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export
symbols
for
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll -

There are lots of these error messages. There are also fault
messages
such
as
FAULT ->76991716 8b31 mov esi,[ecx]
ds:0023:000401f8=????????

Is anyone able to help?
 
G

Guest

As I said before I followed all of your instructions but perhaps not properly.

I looked in the device manager and noticed there was an exclamation mark on
the "display adapter" and "other devices".

I have previously downloaded and installed the video driver "via 4 in 1" but
this did not remove the exclamation mark. I clicked reinstall driver, it
searched the internet for a driver installed it and the exclamation mark is
gone. I wonder how it worked if the driver was not installed correctly.

The other device turned out to be the adsl modem. I followed all of the
installation instructions and it works properly. Going through my box of bits
associated with this computer I noticed the modem disc which was not required
by the instructions in the installation guide to get it working. I ran it and
another exclamation mark was gone.

It now appears that the crashes have also gone. I find all of this very
confusing.

Once again, thanks for your help.

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
Okay, the next step would be to remove hardware items, except mouse and
keyboard, one by one along with any related software for them. Start with
your peripherals, remove one by one, then run the system for a bit after
each removal to see if you still have the problem. If yes, then move on to
internal hardware except of course for the graphics card. However, if you
get down to only the graphics card remaining, if you have access to a
different card, swap out the current card for the other one and see if you
still have the issue.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


PeterD said:
Thankyou for your help so far.
I have followed all of your instructions but the problem is still there. I
have uninstalled all non-essential software. I have also done a registry
clean. I am beginning to think there is a hardware problem. Since this
problem has existed from new I may have a hardware problem from the start.
I
have another computer which is identical to this one except for some
software
and it is OK.

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
Yes, number 4 is due to Service Pack 2, you would have to remove it
first.

You can try the following but if you get to the repair install option,
meaning the other things I've mention below do not resolve the issue, you
will need to remove Service Pack 2 first or you will receive the same
error.

As to number 3, it only applies in a situation where the system is
randomly
rebooting on errors. I need to revise that part of the response. I
apologize for any misunderstanding in that regard.

One other point, did you run an antivirus scan. Simply having such app
installed with the latest definitions is not enough, you need to scan as
you
did for malware.

If this is a relatively recent issue, you might try using System Restore
to
take you back to a time when this worked properly. Start\All
Programs\Accessories\System Tools\System Restore. If that doesn't
resolve
it, try the information below.

The following assumes you have an actual XP CD as opposed to a restore CD
or
restore partition supplied by your PC manufacturer.

Go to Start, type sfc /scannow in the run box and press enter. Note,
there
is a space between sfc and the forward slash. You will be asked for your
XP
CD. Be aware, upon inserting the CD the XP setup screen may appear, this
is
not a part of sfc /scannow, rather it is being invoked by autorun.
Simply
minimize the screen and allow sfc to continue.

If the above fails to resolve the issue, try a repair install as follows:

Be sure you are well backed up in case there is a problem from which you
are
unable to recover. NOTE, while a repair install should leave your data
files intact, if something goes wrong during the repair install, you may
be
forced to start over and do a clean install of XP. If you don't have
your
data backed up, you would lose your data should that eventuality occur.

Assuming your system is set to boot from the CD-ROM drive, boot with the
XP
CD in the drive. If it isn't or you are not sure, you need to enter the
system's BIOS. When you boot the system, the first screen usually has
instructions that if you wish to enter setup press a specific key, when
you
see that, do so. Then you will have to navigate to the boot sequence, if
the CD-ROM drive is not first line, set it first in the boot sequence.
Save
your settings and exit with the XP CD in the drive. The system will
reboot.

Boot from the CD. If your system is set to be able to boot from the CD,
it
should detect the disk and give a brief message, during the boot up, if
you
wish to boot from the CD press any key.

Once you have pressed a key, setup should begin. You will see a
reference
asking if you need to load special drivers and another notice that if you
wish to begin the ASR (Automatic Recovery Console) depress F2. Just let
setup run past all of that. It will continue to load files and drivers.

Then it will bring you to a screen. Eventually, you will come to a
screen
with the option to (1) setup Windows or (2) Repair Windows Installation
using the Recovery console.

The first option, to setup Windows is the one you want and requires you
to
press enter. When asked, press F8 to accept the end user agreement.
Setup
will then search for previous versions of Windows. Upon finding your
version, it will ask if you wish to Repair your current installation or
install fresh. Press R, that will run a repair installation. From there
on, follow the screens.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


1. I have Trend Micro PC-Cillin 2005 with the latest patterns
2. I downloaded Ad Aware and it only found a few minor problems which
are
now fixed
3. I changed the automatic restart button but it still only exits the
application, no blue screen
4. I attempted the application check but I get the message "Setup
cannot
continue because the version of Windows on your computer is newer than
the
version on the CD." whether I use the Windows CD or the internet
download.
I
assume this has something to do with Service Pack 2.
5. I have installed the latest drivers for the system (except BIOS) and
peripherals

I still get the same problem as before.

:

First, be sure your antivirus software has the latest definitions and
run
a
virus scan.

Also, download, install and run Ad Aware:
www.lavasoftusa.com

If your system is clear of viruses and any malware, open Control
Panel,
open
System, go to
the Advanced tab, click Settings under Startup and Recovery, remove
the
check from "Automatically Restart" under System Failure. This will
cause
the system to blue screen instead of restarting on errors and the
information on the blue screen may give a clue as to the source of the
issue.

Assuming you have an XP CD and not a recovery CD, place the XP CD in
the
drive, when the setup screen appears, select "Check System
Compatibility,"
the report it generates may point to problem hardware or software on
your
system. If you do not have an XP CD, you can download this
application
known as the Upgrade Advisor from the following site:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/advisor.asp
Note: If you have access to a broadband connection it might be best to
download using that as this is a rather large download.

Check for the latest drivers for your hardware, especially your
graphics
card and soundcard and all peripherals connected to your system. No
not
use
Windows Update for this, go to the device manufacturer's web sites and
if
you install updated drivers, ignore the message about drivers being
unsigned
by Microsoft.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

When accessing the control panel and clicking an icon such as the
printer,
system or even changing from classic view to category view I will
usually
(but not always) get an error report. This will sometimes happen
when I
try
to access "explore" by right clicking on the START button. This has
been
happening since the compeuer was new (about 2 years). The Dr Watson
file
contains lines such as Application exception occurred:
App: C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE (pid=1892)
When: 4/03/2005 @ 16:32:27.578
Exception number: c0000005 (access violation)

*----> System Information <----*
Computer Name: PETER
User Name: Peter1
Terminal Session Id: 0
Number of Processors: 1
Processor Type: x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1
Windows Version: 5.1
Current Build: 2600
Service Pack: 2
Current Type: Uniprocessor Free
and
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export
symbols
for
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll -

There are lots of these error messages. There are also fault
messages
such
as
FAULT ->76991716 8b31 mov esi,[ecx]
ds:0023:000401f8=????????

Is anyone able to help?
 
M

Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)

An explanation mark can mean some parts of the software are not completely
installed or some features are disabled. If the cards drivers were
completely disabled, the system would still work as XP would then simply
have installed its native VGA driver but you would notice that as it doesn't
support higher resolutions and everything would have seemed quite large.

In any event, glad you go it sorted out.

--
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol.

Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


PeterD said:
As I said before I followed all of your instructions but perhaps not
properly.

I looked in the device manager and noticed there was an exclamation mark
on
the "display adapter" and "other devices".

I have previously downloaded and installed the video driver "via 4 in 1"
but
this did not remove the exclamation mark. I clicked reinstall driver, it
searched the internet for a driver installed it and the exclamation mark
is
gone. I wonder how it worked if the driver was not installed correctly.

The other device turned out to be the adsl modem. I followed all of the
installation instructions and it works properly. Going through my box of
bits
associated with this computer I noticed the modem disc which was not
required
by the instructions in the installation guide to get it working. I ran it
and
another exclamation mark was gone.

It now appears that the crashes have also gone. I find all of this very
confusing.

Once again, thanks for your help.

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
Okay, the next step would be to remove hardware items, except mouse and
keyboard, one by one along with any related software for them. Start
with
your peripherals, remove one by one, then run the system for a bit after
each removal to see if you still have the problem. If yes, then move on
to
internal hardware except of course for the graphics card. However, if
you
get down to only the graphics card remaining, if you have access to a
different card, swap out the current card for the other one and see if
you
still have the issue.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


PeterD said:
Thankyou for your help so far.
I have followed all of your instructions but the problem is still
there. I
have uninstalled all non-essential software. I have also done a
registry
clean. I am beginning to think there is a hardware problem. Since this
problem has existed from new I may have a hardware problem from the
start.
I
have another computer which is identical to this one except for some
software
and it is OK.

:

Yes, number 4 is due to Service Pack 2, you would have to remove it
first.

You can try the following but if you get to the repair install option,
meaning the other things I've mention below do not resolve the issue,
you
will need to remove Service Pack 2 first or you will receive the same
error.

As to number 3, it only applies in a situation where the system is
randomly
rebooting on errors. I need to revise that part of the response. I
apologize for any misunderstanding in that regard.

One other point, did you run an antivirus scan. Simply having such
app
installed with the latest definitions is not enough, you need to scan
as
you
did for malware.

If this is a relatively recent issue, you might try using System
Restore
to
take you back to a time when this worked properly. Start\All
Programs\Accessories\System Tools\System Restore. If that doesn't
resolve
it, try the information below.

The following assumes you have an actual XP CD as opposed to a restore
CD
or
restore partition supplied by your PC manufacturer.

Go to Start, type sfc /scannow in the run box and press enter. Note,
there
is a space between sfc and the forward slash. You will be asked for
your
XP
CD. Be aware, upon inserting the CD the XP setup screen may appear,
this
is
not a part of sfc /scannow, rather it is being invoked by autorun.
Simply
minimize the screen and allow sfc to continue.

If the above fails to resolve the issue, try a repair install as
follows:

Be sure you are well backed up in case there is a problem from which
you
are
unable to recover. NOTE, while a repair install should leave your
data
files intact, if something goes wrong during the repair install, you
may
be
forced to start over and do a clean install of XP. If you don't have
your
data backed up, you would lose your data should that eventuality
occur.

Assuming your system is set to boot from the CD-ROM drive, boot with
the
XP
CD in the drive. If it isn't or you are not sure, you need to enter
the
system's BIOS. When you boot the system, the first screen usually has
instructions that if you wish to enter setup press a specific key,
when
you
see that, do so. Then you will have to navigate to the boot sequence,
if
the CD-ROM drive is not first line, set it first in the boot sequence.
Save
your settings and exit with the XP CD in the drive. The system will
reboot.

Boot from the CD. If your system is set to be able to boot from the
CD,
it
should detect the disk and give a brief message, during the boot up,
if
you
wish to boot from the CD press any key.

Once you have pressed a key, setup should begin. You will see a
reference
asking if you need to load special drivers and another notice that if
you
wish to begin the ASR (Automatic Recovery Console) depress F2. Just
let
setup run past all of that. It will continue to load files and
drivers.

Then it will bring you to a screen. Eventually, you will come to a
screen
with the option to (1) setup Windows or (2) Repair Windows
Installation
using the Recovery console.

The first option, to setup Windows is the one you want and requires
you
to
press enter. When asked, press F8 to accept the end user agreement.
Setup
will then search for previous versions of Windows. Upon finding your
version, it will ask if you wish to Repair your current installation
or
install fresh. Press R, that will run a repair installation. From
there
on, follow the screens.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


1. I have Trend Micro PC-Cillin 2005 with the latest patterns
2. I downloaded Ad Aware and it only found a few minor problems
which
are
now fixed
3. I changed the automatic restart button but it still only exits
the
application, no blue screen
4. I attempted the application check but I get the message "Setup
cannot
continue because the version of Windows on your computer is newer
than
the
version on the CD." whether I use the Windows CD or the internet
download.
I
assume this has something to do with Service Pack 2.
5. I have installed the latest drivers for the system (except BIOS)
and
peripherals

I still get the same problem as before.

:

First, be sure your antivirus software has the latest definitions
and
run
a
virus scan.

Also, download, install and run Ad Aware:
www.lavasoftusa.com

If your system is clear of viruses and any malware, open Control
Panel,
open
System, go to
the Advanced tab, click Settings under Startup and Recovery, remove
the
check from "Automatically Restart" under System Failure. This will
cause
the system to blue screen instead of restarting on errors and the
information on the blue screen may give a clue as to the source of
the
issue.

Assuming you have an XP CD and not a recovery CD, place the XP CD
in
the
drive, when the setup screen appears, select "Check System
Compatibility,"
the report it generates may point to problem hardware or software
on
your
system. If you do not have an XP CD, you can download this
application
known as the Upgrade Advisor from the following site:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/advisor.asp
Note: If you have access to a broadband connection it might be best
to
download using that as this is a rather large download.

Check for the latest drivers for your hardware, especially your
graphics
card and soundcard and all peripherals connected to your system.
No
not
use
Windows Update for this, go to the device manufacturer's web sites
and
if
you install updated drivers, ignore the message about drivers being
unsigned
by Microsoft.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

When accessing the control panel and clicking an icon such as the
printer,
system or even changing from classic view to category view I will
usually
(but not always) get an error report. This will sometimes happen
when I
try
to access "explore" by right clicking on the START button. This
has
been
happening since the compeuer was new (about 2 years). The Dr
Watson
file
contains lines such as Application exception occurred:
App: C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE (pid=1892)
When: 4/03/2005 @ 16:32:27.578
Exception number: c0000005 (access violation)

*----> System Information <----*
Computer Name: PETER
User Name: Peter1
Terminal Session Id: 0
Number of Processors: 1
Processor Type: x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1
Windows Version: 5.1
Current Build: 2600
Service Pack: 2
Current Type: Uniprocessor Free
and
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export
symbols
for
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll -

There are lots of these error messages. There are also fault
messages
such
as
FAULT ->76991716 8b31 mov esi,[ecx]
ds:0023:000401f8=????????

Is anyone able to help?
 
R

RADZI

PeterD said:
As I said before I followed all of your instructions but perhaps not properly.

I looked in the device manager and noticed there was an exclamation mark on
the "display adapter" and "other devices".

I have previously downloaded and installed the video driver "via 4 in 1" but
this did not remove the exclamation mark. I clicked reinstall driver, it
searched the internet for a driver installed it and the exclamation mark is
gone. I wonder how it worked if the driver was not installed correctly.

The other device turned out to be the adsl modem. I followed all of the
installation instructions and it works properly. Going through my box of bits
associated with this computer I noticed the modem disc which was not required
by the instructions in the installation guide to get it working. I ran it and
another exclamation mark was gone.

It now appears that the crashes have also gone. I find all of this very
confusing.

Once again, thanks for your help.

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
Okay, the next step would be to remove hardware items, except mouse and
keyboard, one by one along with any related software for them. Start with
your peripherals, remove one by one, then run the system for a bit after
each removal to see if you still have the problem. If yes, then move on to
internal hardware except of course for the graphics card. However, if you
get down to only the graphics card remaining, if you have access to a
different card, swap out the current card for the other one and see if you
still have the issue.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


PeterD said:
Thankyou for your help so far.
I have followed all of your instructions but the problem is still there. I
have uninstalled all non-essential software. I have also done a registry
clean. I am beginning to think there is a hardware problem. Since this
problem has existed from new I may have a hardware problem from the start.
I
have another computer which is identical to this one except for some
software
and it is OK.

:

Yes, number 4 is due to Service Pack 2, you would have to remove it
first.

You can try the following but if you get to the repair install option,
meaning the other things I've mention below do not resolve the issue, you
will need to remove Service Pack 2 first or you will receive the same
error.

As to number 3, it only applies in a situation where the system is
randomly
rebooting on errors. I need to revise that part of the response. I
apologize for any misunderstanding in that regard.

One other point, did you run an antivirus scan. Simply having such app
installed with the latest definitions is not enough, you need to scan as
you
did for malware.

If this is a relatively recent issue, you might try using System Restore
to
take you back to a time when this worked properly. Start\All
Programs\Accessories\System Tools\System Restore. If that doesn't
resolve
it, try the information below.

The following assumes you have an actual XP CD as opposed to a restore CD
or
restore partition supplied by your PC manufacturer.

Go to Start, type sfc /scannow in the run box and press enter. Note,
there
is a space between sfc and the forward slash. You will be asked for your
XP
CD. Be aware, upon inserting the CD the XP setup screen may appear, this
is
not a part of sfc /scannow, rather it is being invoked by autorun.
Simply
minimize the screen and allow sfc to continue.

If the above fails to resolve the issue, try a repair install as follows:

Be sure you are well backed up in case there is a problem from which you
are
unable to recover. NOTE, while a repair install should leave your data
files intact, if something goes wrong during the repair install, you may
be
forced to start over and do a clean install of XP. If you don't have
your
data backed up, you would lose your data should that eventuality occur.

Assuming your system is set to boot from the CD-ROM drive, boot with the
XP
CD in the drive. If it isn't or you are not sure, you need to enter the
system's BIOS. When you boot the system, the first screen usually has
instructions that if you wish to enter setup press a specific key, when
you
see that, do so. Then you will have to navigate to the boot sequence, if
the CD-ROM drive is not first line, set it first in the boot sequence.
Save
your settings and exit with the XP CD in the drive. The system will
reboot.

Boot from the CD. If your system is set to be able to boot from the CD,
it
should detect the disk and give a brief message, during the boot up, if
you
wish to boot from the CD press any key.

Once you have pressed a key, setup should begin. You will see a
reference
asking if you need to load special drivers and another notice that if you
wish to begin the ASR (Automatic Recovery Console) depress F2. Just let
setup run past all of that. It will continue to load files and drivers.

Then it will bring you to a screen. Eventually, you will come to a
screen
with the option to (1) setup Windows or (2) Repair Windows Installation
using the Recovery console.

The first option, to setup Windows is the one you want and requires you
to
press enter. When asked, press F8 to accept the end user agreement.
Setup
will then search for previous versions of Windows. Upon finding your
version, it will ask if you wish to Repair your current installation or
install fresh. Press R, that will run a repair installation. From there
on, follow the screens.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/


1. I have Trend Micro PC-Cillin 2005 with the latest patterns
2. I downloaded Ad Aware and it only found a few minor problems which
are
now fixed
3. I changed the automatic restart button but it still only exits the
application, no blue screen
4. I attempted the application check but I get the message "Setup
cannot
continue because the version of Windows on your computer is newer than
the
version on the CD." whether I use the Windows CD or the internet
download.
I
assume this has something to do with Service Pack 2.
5. I have installed the latest drivers for the system (except BIOS) and
peripherals

I still get the same problem as before.

:

First, be sure your antivirus software has the latest definitions and
run
a
virus scan.

Also, download, install and run Ad Aware:
www.lavasoftusa.com

If your system is clear of viruses and any malware, open Control
Panel,
open
System, go to
the Advanced tab, click Settings under Startup and Recovery, remove
the
check from "Automatically Restart" under System Failure. This will
cause
the system to blue screen instead of restarting on errors and the
information on the blue screen may give a clue as to the source of the
issue.

Assuming you have an XP CD and not a recovery CD, place the XP CD in
the
drive, when the setup screen appears, select "Check System
Compatibility,"
the report it generates may point to problem hardware or software on
your
system. If you do not have an XP CD, you can download this
application
known as the Upgrade Advisor from the following site:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/advisor.asp
Note: If you have access to a broadband connection it might be best to
download using that as this is a rather large download.

Check for the latest drivers for your hardware, especially your
graphics
card and soundcard and all peripherals connected to your system. No
not
use
Windows Update for this, go to the device manufacturer's web sites and
if
you install updated drivers, ignore the message about drivers being
unsigned
by Microsoft.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

When accessing the control panel and clicking an icon such as the
printer,
system or even changing from classic view to category view I will
usually
(but not always) get an error report. This will sometimes happen
when I
try
to access "explore" by right clicking on the START button. This has
been
happening since the compeuer was new (about 2 years). The Dr Watson
file
contains lines such as Application exception occurred:
App: C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE (pid=1892)
When: 4/03/2005 @ 16:32:27.578
Exception number: c0000005 (access violation)

*----> System Information <----*
Computer Name: PETER
User Name: Peter1
Terminal Session Id: 0
Number of Processors: 1
Processor Type: x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1
Windows Version: 5.1
Current Build: 2600
Service Pack: 2
Current Type: Uniprocessor Free
and
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export
symbols
for
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll -

There are lots of these error messages. There are also fault
messages
such
as
FAULT ->76991716 8b31 mov esi,[ecx]
ds:0023:000401f8=????????

Is anyone able to help?
 

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