Compatible ink cartridges for Canon PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M & CLI-8Y

[aaron]

Hi,

I have seen that there are now compatible ink cartridges available for
Canons latest range of printers, but without the chips.
Canon's Cartridge part numbers are: PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M &
CLI-8Y.

Apparently the original Canon cartridge chips can be reused in the
compatible cartridges.

Has anyone any news on when compatible cartridges will be available
with the chips ?

Any news updates will be much appreciated.

AH

 

[Tony]

Hi,

I have seen that there are now compatible ink cartridges available for
Canons latest range of printers, but without the chips.
Canon's Cartridge part numbers are: PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M &
CLI-8Y.

Apparently the original Canon cartridge chips can be reused in the
compatible cartridges.

Has anyone any news on when compatible cartridges will be available
with the chips ?

Any news updates will be much appreciated.

AH

There is some doubt whether they ever will be although I know that at least two
manufacturers are still working on it. The issue seems to be the cost of making
an acceptable chip (one that does not breach patents) small enough.
Tony

 

[Michael Johnson, PE]

There is some doubt whether they ever will be although I know that at least two
manufacturers are still working on it. The issue seems to be the cost of making
an acceptable chip (one that does not breach patents) small enough.
Tony

Who has these compatible cartridges (CLI-8x) for sale?

 

[Tony]

Who has these compatible cartridges (CLI-8x) for sale?

Google "cli8-bk compatible", you will get several hits.
Tony

 

[Michael Johnson, PE]

Google "cli8-bk compatible", you will get several hits.

I got several hits but didn't find any sites that actually sell
compatible CLI-8 cartridges. Most sites referenced the OEM carts were
"compatible" with certain printers which is why they were listed in the
search. Do you have any links to specific sites that sell compatible
CLI-8 carts?

 

[Tony]

I got several hits but didn't find any sites that actually sell
compatible CLI-8 cartridges. Most sites referenced the OEM carts were
"compatible" with certain printers which is why they were listed in the
search. Do you have any links to specific sites that sell compatible
CLI-8 carts?

No, but (e-mail address removed) posted the message saying they were available (first
post of this thread) and I have heard elswhere that they are. I have no need
for any so have not bothered to look before.
Tony

 

[Taliesyn]

No, but (e-mail address removed) posted the message saying they were available (first
post of this thread) and I have heard elswhere that they are. I have no need
for any so have not bothered to look before.
Tony

I've noticed that new HobbiColors ink refill kits for the CLI-8 and
PGI-5 are now available on eBay. I use their older inks for my i860,
i4200, and Ip5000 printers. These new inks, they indicate, have a
significantly wider gamut and improved light fastness over their WC6
inks used for BCI-6. Too bad, I can't use them for my BCI-6 cartridges.
That's my dilemma - I have three working older printers so I can't move
up to the next generation printers. Hate it when that happens . . . ;-)

-Taliesyn

 

[zakezuke]

too bad, I can't use them for my BCI-6 cartridges.

That's my dilemma - I have three working older printers so I can't
move up to the next generation printers. Hate it when that
happens . . . ;-)

Why can't you? You are probally SOL on the i860 but the ip5000 on the
other hand permits setting to destionation 1, i.e. japan. Now I can't
say for certanty if the colors are identical on the bci-7 that would
have been used on the ip5100, but the odds are pretty good. I'd say
it's worth exploring.

 

[kahalas]

Hi,

I have seen that there are now compatible ink cartridges available for
Canons latest range of printers, but without the chips.
Canon's Cartridge part numbers are: PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M &
CLI-8Y.

Apparently the original Canon cartridge chips can be reused in the
compatible cartridges.

Has anyone any news on when compatible cartridges will be available
with the chips ?

Any news updates will be much appreciated.

AH

I don't see that anyone has compatible cartridges. I think Tony is
confused, at best.

Also since canon now makes the price of a chipped printer about equal
to what they charge for the cartridges alone, it seems to me easy to
move backward from an easily refillable 4000 to the new 4200 with
chips. Why would anyone want to do that and don't tell me about ink
fading.?

SLK

 

[Mike]

Hi,

I have seen that there are now compatible ink cartridges available for
Canons latest range of printers, but without the chips.
Canon's Cartridge part numbers are: PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M &
CLI-8Y.

Apparently the original Canon cartridge chips can be reused in the
compatible cartridges.

Has anyone any news on when compatible cartridges will be available
with the chips ?

Any news updates will be much appreciated.

AH

FWIW. I bought a IP4200 expecting compatibles to come along.

Tony is misinformed, the current models will be long replaced before any
new chip
compatibles get chance to hit the market.
After finding this out i immediately sold my IP4200 and replaced it will a
Epson. Not as good build wise and missing
the 2nd input tray but its saving my a fortune on ink.

 

[Michael Johnson, PE]

No, but (e-mail address removed) posted the message saying they were available (first
post of this thread) and I have heard elswhere that they are. I have no need
for any so have not bothered to look before.

Then you should have told me "I don't know".

 

[Mike]

There is some doubt whether they ever will be although I know that at
least two
manufacturers are still working on it. The issue seems to be the cost of
making
an acceptable chip (one that does not breach patents) small enough.
Tony

which two?

 

[Tony]

which two?

Sorry, that is privileged information and subject to a signed agreement.
I can only repeat that I doubt whether they will arrive soon or perhaps ever.
One manufacturer is considering releasing unchipped cartridges and a procedure
for moving the OEM chip to the replacement cartridge. I expect that will be a
less than satisfactory solution because the chip will still report the
cartridge as empty and the workaround of answering the prompts will still be
required together with no ink level indicator.
Tony

 

[Tony]

Then you should have told me "I don't know".

Just trying to help.
I am wondering why you asked me the question rather than the OP who was the one
that said

"I have seen that there are now compatible ink cartridges available for
Canons latest range of printers, but without the chips.
Canon's Cartridge part numbers are: PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M &
CLI-8Y."

Tony

 

[Tony]

I don't see that anyone has compatible cartridges. I think Tony is
confused, at best.

Not confused, just posting what I believe to be true, there are people trying
to produce chipped compatibles for the newer printers but as I said elsewhere I
doubt it will happen soon if at all.
Tony<snip>

 

[Michael Johnson, PE]

Just trying to help.
I am wondering why you asked me the question rather than the OP who was the one
that said

"I have seen that there are now compatible ink cartridges available for
Canons latest range of printers, but without the chips.
Canon's Cartridge part numbers are: PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M &
CLI-8Y."

I understand now but you stated it like I would hit pay dirt with a
Google search. I have have been periodically searching for compatible
CLI-8 carts because I would like to try an iP6600. I thought maybe
there was a breakthrough I missed hearing about. That is why I asked
you for a specific reference.

 

[Michael Johnson, PE]

Sorry, that is privileged information and subject to a signed agreement.
I can only repeat that I doubt whether they will arrive soon or perhaps ever.
One manufacturer is considering releasing unchipped cartridges and a procedure
for moving the OEM chip to the replacement cartridge. I expect that will be a
less than satisfactory solution because the chip will still report the
cartridge as empty and the workaround of answering the prompts will still be
required together with no ink level indicator.

If I have to go to all that trouble to install a compatible CLI-8 cart
then I might as well refill. Does anyone know if these new printers
will print with chip less carts?

 

[Martin]

Hi,

I have seen that there are now compatible ink cartridges available for
Canons latest range of printers, but without the chips.
Canon's Cartridge part numbers are: PGI-5BK, CLI-8BK, CLI-8C, CLI-8M &
CLI-8Y.

Apparently the original Canon cartridge chips can be reused in the
compatible cartridges.

Has anyone any news on when compatible cartridges will be available
with the chips ?

Any news updates will be much appreciated.

AH

I have been watching the whole "compatible" cartridge sideshow with
interest when I noticed a few appearing on eBay a couple of weeks back..

In truth, they make the arguement for refilling all the more persuasive
but the way I've opted to go is building empty cartridges into CIS kits
and essentially creating what one person called an "old school hack".

It works very well and aside from the grief in getting the tubing and
various parts sourced I'll soon be in a position to share a "How to.."
guide for anyone else who wants to use their iP4200's for a lot longer.


As to the whole "will it, won't it?" side of things with Canon.. I
expect Tony is right in that it'll be difficult to get replacement chips
and to be honest I think there's a couple of questions that need
answering before I can actually see replacements being of any use.


1. Just what happens if you refill a cartridge, accept the warranty
spiel, print for X weeks and the cartridge then runs out? Does it ignore
the levels and burn out the head or does it stop and tell you?

I ask because I noticed that the system will not let an empty cartridge
continue and only allows it when you refill.


2. Has anyone accepted responsibility for their use of 3rd party ink and
then sent their printer back for an unrelated problem (eg: paper feed)?
and has Canon claimed warranty is not covered?

My guess is that they might try to balk but would provide a replacement
albeit without replacement printhead and carts if pushed.. which begs
the question of why the chips are so unreasonable.


Ultimately I recognise that the people missing out most here are those
who don't like refilling, fiddling with transferring chips, etc.. which
happens to be most people but it does make me wonder just how vital chip
alternatives are.. Course I think I've answered my own question.. :|

 

[Tony]

2. Has anyone accepted responsibility for their use of 3rd party ink and
then sent their printer back for an unrelated problem (eg: paper feed)?
and has Canon claimed warranty is not covered?

On this point I can advise that Canon are very good indeed (at least where I
live) at warranty replacement.
They have never in my experience (over several years) baulked at warranty
claims. Head failure is the most common claim, they don't like to see
compatible cartridges in the printer but cannot do much about it unless they
can prove that compatible inks caused the problem, almost impossible to do. I
have seen just as many failures with OEM as I have with compatible inks, across
most printer manufacturers. I think the warranty thing is likely a non issue.
Brother are much tougher, they refuse to even test a printer with non Brother
ink in it, sure we can holler and scream that they "can't do that" but the
reality is it would be a lot of trouble to fight them and they know it. The
solution is easy, put some Brother cartridges in the printer and send it for
repair, totally moral when you accept that there is no evidence that compatible
ink causes more printhead failures than OEM inks.
Some good points, thanks.
Tony

<snip>

 

[measekite]

I have been watching the whole "compatible"

is a meaningless word. just an adjective that is totally ambiguous

cartridge sideshow with interest when I noticed a few appearing on
eBay a couple of weeks back..

In truth, they make the arguement for refilling all the more
persuasive but the way I've opted to go is building empty cartridges
into CIS kits and essentially creating what one person called an "old
school hack".

It works very well and aside from the grief in getting the tubing and
various parts sourced I'll soon be in a position to share a "How to.."
guide for anyone else who wants to use their iP4200's for a lot longer.


As to the whole "will it, won't it?" side of things with Canon.. I
expect Tony is right in that it'll be difficult to get replacement
chips and to be honest I think there's a couple of questions that need
answering before I can actually see replacements being of any use.


1. Just what happens if you refill a cartridge,

you open yourself up to

printhead clogs
voiding the printer warranty
wasting a lot of time

it is only worth this risk if you are a very heavy printer user

accept the warranty spiel, print for X weeks and the cartridge then
runs out? Does it ignore the levels and burn out the head or does it
stop and tell you?

I ask because I noticed that the system will not let an empty
cartridge continue and only allows it when you refill.


2. Has anyone accepted responsibility for their use of 3rd party ink
and then sent their printer back for an unrelated problem (eg: paper
feed)? and has Canon claimed warranty is not covered?

hoping that canon only fixes legitimate claims.

My guess is that they might try to balk but would provide a
replacement albeit without replacement printhead and carts if pushed..
which begs the question of why the chips are so unreasonable.


Ultimately I recognise that the people missing out most here are those
who don't like refilling,

the only thing i am missing is a clogged printhead, faded and off color
results and many hours of wasted time