CD-WR configuration questions

[Dave Moore]

Hello,

Here's what I got,,

HP Pavilion 7020 which origionally comes with Win Me.
I have installed Win XP Pro on a second partition.

The CD-WR is AKAIK an HP CDD-4801

I have installed in this order,

HP's DLA software,

Roxio CD Creator Platinum 5, then Roxios upgrade patch
to upgrade version 5 to version 5.3.5 and supposedly make it
more compatible with Win XP

Finally, "Force ASPI fix" for version 4.6 ASPI layers


Ok, here's the problem. CD-WR disks that I have already
formatted ( on another computer with an HP external USB drive)
will read, but not write.

Ok here's what I'm guessing the problem might be.
On the recording tab in drive properties,
I have disabled Windows recording.
The reason being, I'm assuming that this disables XP's
default software which has waxed a few of my disks.

Am I wrong to do this? Must recording be enabled here
in this tab in order for Roxio or the HP software to
handle CD direct UDF format packet style recording?

What I want is for Roxio to handle all recording, including
packet style.

Any suggestions, or good links?

Thanks --Dave Moore--

 

[Harry Ohrn]

You are right about disabling XPs burning software through the recording tab
when you have other burning software installed. You should also uninstall
DLA if you want to use roxio's packet writing program (Direct CD). DLA and
Direct CD can not coexist.

 

[Dave Moore]

Thanks,
after countless hours at Roxio.com and HP.com
and numerous googles and visits to forums, I had just
reached that conclusion that perhaps the next thing to
try would be to eliminate DLA.
Unfortunately I haven't been
able to find any thorough instructions for a "clean" uninstall,
so I guess I'll just try add/remove.

I had this (probably misguided ) notion that if I installed
HP's software first that perhaps some vital drivers for the
HPburner would be installed. Even after installing DLA
and Record Now, XP still installs the burner as a standard
CD-WR using MS drivers and doesn't make any mention
of HP at all.

Seems like an OS shortcoming IMHO that multiple burning
programs can't coexist, or at least be called from different
user profiles. Oh well, fortunately I can get by with just
one burner program.

Live and learn. I really should have made a restore point
before I went to experimenting with programs that work
on such low levels. Doh!

Well, I'm off to do away with DLA and see if
this puppy's gonna fly,, or die

Thanks again. --Dave Moore--


: You are right about disabling XPs burning software through the recording tab
: when you have other burning software installed. You should also uninstall
: DLA if you want to use roxio's packet writing program (Direct CD). DLA and
: Direct CD can not coexist.
: --
:
: Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
: www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
:
:
: : > Hello,
: >
: > Here's what I got,,
: >
: > HP Pavilion 7020 which origionally comes with Win Me.
: > I have installed Win XP Pro on a second partition.
: >
: > The CD-WR is AKAIK an HP CDD-4801
: >
: > I have installed in this order,
: >
: > HP's DLA software,
: >
: > Roxio CD Creator Platinum 5, then Roxios upgrade patch
: > to upgrade version 5 to version 5.3.5 and supposedly make it
: > more compatible with Win XP
: >
: > Finally, "Force ASPI fix" for version 4.6 ASPI layers
: >
: >
: > Ok, here's the problem. CD-WR disks that I have already
: > formatted ( on another computer with an HP external USB drive)
: > will read, but not write.
: >
: > Ok here's what I'm guessing the problem might be.
: > On the recording tab in drive properties,
: > I have disabled Windows recording.
: > The reason being, I'm assuming that this disables XP's
: > default software which has waxed a few of my disks.
: >
: > Am I wrong to do this? Must recording be enabled here
: > in this tab in order for Roxio or the HP software to
: > handle CD direct UDF format packet style recording?
: >
: > What I want is for Roxio to handle all recording, including
: > packet style.
: >
: > Any suggestions, or good links?
: >
: > Thanks --Dave Moore--
: >
: >
:
:

 

[Mike]

Dave

I have left in place what you typed originally to save confusion on your
part.. my contribution is in "quote marks"

after countless hours at Roxio.com and HP.com
and numerous googles and visits to forums, I had just
reached that conclusion that perhaps the next thing to
try would be to eliminate DLA.
Unfortunately I haven't been
able to find any thorough instructions for a "clean" uninstall,
so I guess I'll just try add/remove.

"Sometimes there is a facility in software to uninstall if you run it again,
otherwise most of us (if not all) would use the ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS
function.."

I had this (probably misguided ) notion that if I installed
HP's software first that perhaps some vital drivers for the
HPburner would be installed. Even after installing DLA
and Record Now, XP still installs the burner as a standard
CD-WR using MS drivers and doesn't make any mention
of HP at all.

"A CDRW unit is just a CDROM drive unless software is present that gives the
user the option to write to a CDRW disc.. There is nothing particularly
special about the HP CDRW that it should get a mention, and it is probably
made by some other manufacturer and been badged 'HP' anyway.. "

Seems like an OS shortcoming IMHO that multiple burning
programs can't coexist, or at least be called from different
user profiles. Oh well, fortunately I can get by with just
one burner program.

"Why is it a shortcoming in the OS?.. Have you considered that maybe its a
problem with the way the 'burning' software is written?.. XP's burning
software coexists with Nero just fine.. "

Live and learn. I really should have made a restore point
before I went to experimenting with programs that work
on such low levels. Doh!

"The mighty 'restore point'.. it sometimes seems like half of the world is
using restore points to overcome problems that a simple uninstall would
cure.. "

Well, I'm off to do away with DLA and see if
this puppy's gonna fly,, or die

Thanks again. --Dave Moore--

"More than a few people have reported problems using ROXIO anything, but it
comes down to personal choice and whatever works.. you could uninstall Roxio
software and see how you get along with HP's offering.. "

Mike

 

[Alex Nichol]

Ok here's what I'm guessing the problem might be.
On the recording tab in drive properties,
I have disabled Windows recording.
The reason being, I'm assuming that this disables XP's
default software which has waxed a few of my disks.

Am I wrong to do this? Must recording be enabled here
in this tab in order for Roxio or the HP software to
handle CD direct UDF format packet style recording?

What I want is for Roxio to handle all recording, including
packet style.

The Roxio software comes with a 'Drag To Disk' - formerly Direct CD,
which is its own packet writing (UDF) support. Don't mix different
packages for that. If you are going to use the Roxio one, uninstall the
DLA first; or else keep DLA and do not install the Drag to Disk.
Personally I prefer DLA. Different versions of packet writing usually
put in a marker to say they formatted the disk, and are only happy
writing to ones that *they* formatted (so as to be *sure* of
compatibility), even though they will read others. So you will probably
need to be prepared to reformat disks before using them to write to -
whichever you choose

 

[Dave Moore]

: Dave
:
: I have left in place what you typed originally to save confusion on your
: part.. my contribution is in "quote marks"
:
: > after countless hours at Roxio.com and HP.com
: > and numerous googles and visits to forums, I had just
: > reached that conclusion that perhaps the next thing to
: > try would be to eliminate DLA.
: > Unfortunately I haven't been
: > able to find any thorough instructions for a "clean" uninstall,
: > so I guess I'll just try add/remove.
:
: "Sometimes there is a facility in software to uninstall if you run it again,
: otherwise most of us (if not all) would use the ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS
: function.."
:
: > I had this (probably misguided ) notion that if I installed
: > HP's software first that perhaps some vital drivers for the
: > HPburner would be installed. Even after installing DLA
: > and Record Now, XP still installs the burner as a standard
: > CD-WR using MS drivers and doesn't make any mention
: > of HP at all.
:
: "A CDRW unit is just a CDROM drive unless software is present that gives the
: user the option to write to a CDRW disc.. There is nothing particularly
: special about the HP CDRW that it should get a mention, and it is probably
: made by some other manufacturer and been badged 'HP' anyway.. "

Well, I had a look on the other OS WinMe that origionally
came with this computer and it's listed the same way.
Only i did change the MOBO awhile back. But I would think
that it should have reinstalled using whatever drivers HP had installed
after the MOBO change ( not sure about this)

But thanks, you've made me feel better about the listing
and whether any of my problems might be driver
or firmware related. Think I'll just focus on software for now.

:
: > Seems like an OS shortcoming IMHO that multiple burning
: > programs can't coexist, or at least be called from different
: > user profiles. Oh well, fortunately I can get by with just
: > one burner program.
:
: "Why is it a shortcoming in the OS?.. Have you considered that maybe its a
: problem with the way the 'burning' software is written?.. XP's burning
: software coexists with Nero just fine.. "


What I mean is,,, or should have said.,,,
I believe it's a shortcoming of the people that designed the OS.

It's the OS's job to arbitrate between programs.
program fails, this failure shouldn't have anything to do with
causing another program to fail.

Granted, there may be some problems with Roxio,
but the OS shouldn't allow Roxio's problems to step
on other programs.

IMO, the OS should allow the user to select which
CD burner program has complete control and also
let the user know one is in control.
As it is,, it all seems to be a big
guessing game about which program is doing what.

At the rate I'm going here with XP Pro, if I wanted
to spend days on end wrestling with drivers and software,
I woulda just got Linux

I really thought XP Pro was going to simplify my life,
not complicate it. I guess I overestimated it's gracefullness.


:
: > Live and learn. I really should have made a restore point
: > before I went to experimenting with programs that work
: > on such low levels. Doh!
:
: "The mighty 'restore point'.. it sometimes seems like half of the world is
: using restore points to overcome problems that a simple uninstall would
: cure.. "


yes I guess, if only simple uninstalls were always * simple*

:
: >
: > Well, I'm off to do away with DLA and see if
: > this puppy's gonna fly,, or die
: >
: > Thanks again. --Dave Moore--
: >
: >
: "More than a few people have reported problems using ROXIO anything, but it
: comes down to personal choice and whatever works.. you could uninstall Roxio
: software and see how you get along with HP's offering.. "
:
: Mike

The reason I wanted to stick with Roxio is because I use
an external HP USB CD-WR to patch into my other
computers that don't have CD-WR's. Usually in packet
mode UDF for transferring files from one pooter to another.

So I was hoping to stick with some form of Direct CD
for (hopefully) improved compatibility.

Well, if I can't get CDC Platinum 5.3.5 to fly right,
I'll probably go with HP's package of DLA and Record Now

Thanks again for the advice
--Dave Moore--

 

[Dave Moore]

: Dave Moore wrote:
:
: > Ok here's what I'm guessing the problem might be.
: >On the recording tab in drive properties,
: > I have disabled Windows recording.
: >The reason being, I'm assuming that this disables XP's
: >default software which has waxed a few of my disks.
: >
: > Am I wrong to do this? Must recording be enabled here
: >in this tab in order for Roxio or the HP software to
: >handle CD direct UDF format packet style recording?
: >
: > What I want is for Roxio to handle all recording, including
: >packet style.
:
: The Roxio software comes with a 'Drag To Disk' - formerly Direct CD,
: which is its own packet writing (UDF) support. Don't mix different
: packages for that. If you are going to use the Roxio one, uninstall the
: DLA first; or else keep DLA and do not install the Drag to Disk.
: Personally I prefer DLA. Different versions of packet writing usually
: put in a marker to say they formatted the disk, and are only happy
: writing to ones that *they* formatted (so as to be *sure* of
: compatibility), even though they will read others. So you will probably
: need to be prepared to reformat disks before using them to write to -
: whichever you choose


Well, XP did present a tab where I could disable DLA's ability
to write ( not unlike the tab to disable XP's default burning program)

I thought I would be ok by simply disabling DLA through this tab.
but, apparently not.

Anyway I've uninstalled DLA with add/remove and I still have problems.
I guess a reinstall of Roxio ECDCPlatinum 5.3.5 to freshen things up
a bit and patch a few holes is the next logical step.

I'l try a bunch of things, and after I fail miserably,
I'll be back

Thanks
--Dave Moore--





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: Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
: Bournemouth, U.K. (e-mail address removed)8E8L.org (remove the D8 bit)