Can't Download MS Updates...

[Guest]

Can't Download MS Updates - because keep losing connection and there
appears to be no "resume" function for MS Update downloads. My line or
DialUp SP server is inadequate (I observed this from the jagged graphs at my
Download Manager for non-MS Update aps and files).

Tried download the 13.5 Mb Media Player 9 series update from MS Update but
line keeps dropping when about 20-30% done. This is a real bummer.

Do have an excellent trial download manager (GetRight) which gets around
this type problem with its "Resume" function but for some sites (like MS
Updates, for
instance) it appears it's blocked from taking over the download.

I've had this problem many a time and at one stage did suggest to MS to just
simply either (1) chop up their updates into manageable blocks for DialUp
downloads or (2) to incorporate a 'resume' function of their own or (3) allow
third party download managers to take over the task as an option.

I don't know why they won't do this - though for some updates (maybe for XP
only) it seems, in fact, that there IS indeed some kind of 'resume' function
at work.

This is terrible. I can't even update. Anyone have a possible solution for
this?
In meanwhile I will do some more searches thru these newsgroups for possible
previous posts on the subject.

Tq

Ted...

 

[PA Bear]

How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306525

 

[Guest]

--
Ivanov

Can't Download MS Updates - because keep losing connection and there
appears to be no "resume" function for MS Update downloads. My line or
DialUp SP server is inadequate (I observed this from the jagged graphs at my
Download Manager for non-MS Update aps and files).

Tried download the 13.5 Mb Media Player 9 series update from MS Update but
line keeps dropping when about 20-30% done. This is a real bummer.

Do have an excellent trial download manager (GetRight) which gets around
this type problem with its "Resume" function but for some sites (like MS
Updates, for
instance) it appears it's blocked from taking over the download.

I've had this problem many a time and at one stage did suggest to MS to just
simply either (1) chop up their updates into manageable blocks for DialUp
downloads or (2) to incorporate a 'resume' function of their own or (3) allow
third party download managers to take over the task as an option.

I don't know why they won't do this - though for some updates (maybe for XP
only) it seems, in fact, that there IS indeed some kind of 'resume' function
at work.

This is terrible. I can't even update. Anyone have a possible solution for
this?
In meanwhile I will do some more searches thru these newsgroups for possible
previous posts on the subject.

Tq

Ted...

Hi
I have little knowledge about computers & newsgroups. My English is poor but
still shall try to help.
I have been using win xp sp2 with a dial up connection & have had no trouble
as regards to downloading the updates (whether critical or recommended).
Clean install win xp using CD in 45 mins. Despite a dialup, being connected
at 46.6kbs/sec, all the 35 critical updates are downloaded & installed in 6
hrs.
The issue you are facing is either due to corrupt OS, incorrect modem
drivers or a bad tel. line/ connection.
If you still have problems email on (e-mail address removed).
Regards.

 

[Guest]

Greetings.

My thanx to both PA Bear and Yazinki (I've no problem w/ your English).

Looks like the problem w/ the English is at my end. Neglected to mention that
I'm talking about some "Win 98" updates.

There are no bugs nor apparent problems w/ the OS. I know I have a poor line
and a lacking ISP. However, those were not my points. Now that you know this
has to do w/ Win 98, I think a quick re-read of my message will make those
points
clearer.

The main issue for me is that when the line drops out, there seems to be no
"resume download from the point where it terminated" feature at the Win 98
MS Update site. That is, when I go back on line, I am forced to atart the
entire download again from the beginning. This is neither efficient nor very
logical.

For non-MS downloads, the line drop out is not a problem because for those
types of downloads I have a 'Download Manager" (GetRight) which automatically
takes over the download at the start and it also automatically "resumes" any
download from the point it broke off, when I re-connect to the net.

However, MS Update apparently does not permit a third party download manager
to take over it's own download function. I do not think that this is due to
a bug in
my system or OS. I am more inclined to think that it is due to a lack of a
"Resume"
function at the MS Update downloader. But then again, I'm no expert on the
subject and what I think doesn't really matter.

The only questions I really need an answer to are:

1. Does the Win 98 MS Updater/downloader have a "resume" function or not;
and
2. if not, then why not?

If the unqualified, proven answer to 1. is "yes" (it does), it would mean my
system is at fault, or, that MS Update won't permit a third party download
manager.

In this case I'd next be asking "why can't I use my own Download Manager to
handle the MS Update download"?

Then, whatever the answer to the above question, I'd need to find out what
it is
at my system that is preventing the "resume download" function.

Can anyone out there clear this up for me?

Appreciate,

 

[Plato]

Can't Download MS Updates - because keep losing connection and there
http://www.bootdisk.com/xptop20.htm#4

Do have an excellent trial download manager (GetRight) which gets around
this type problem with its "Resume" function but for some sites (like MS
Updates, for
instance) it appears it's blocked from taking over the download.

I'd disable that and try again. It _may_ be the cause.

 

[Guest]

To: Plato

Well, I'll give that a go when next I try MS Updates. Could be, but offhand
don't think that's it because happened at other times before that. Moreover,
this download manager has been a great help on this rotten dial-up line and
never failed me yet. That's unlike some others I tried that really screwed
things up and was packed w/ spyware/adware.

Will let you know if it helps.

Tq

 

[Uncle Grumpy]

Looks like the problem w/ the English is at my end. Neglected to mention that
I'm talking about some "Win 98" updates.

You're a moron. Why would you ask about Win 98 updates in a Win XP
group?

 

[Plato]

Well, I'll give that a go when next I try MS Updates. Could be, but offhand
don't think that's it because happened at other times before that. Moreover,
this download manager has been a great help on this rotten dial-up line and

I understand about download managers and have nothing against them. Even
if you have broadband it may help depending in the output of the server
you are trying to get a file from. Still, they _often_ interfere_ with
certain sites, and even some sites wont let you download if you are
using a manager.

 

[PA Bear]

Consider posting to this Windows Update-specific newsgroup instead:
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), AH-VSOP

Greetings.

My thanx to both PA Bear and Yazinki (I've no problem w/ your English).

Looks like the problem w/ the English is at my end. Neglected to mention
that I'm talking about some "Win 98" updates.

<snip>

 

[Guest]

Just stopped by here to have another peek at possible solutions.

Think I'll go by PA Bear's and Plato's advice. The owner of the household
here may
opt to go for this new 'Streamix' (some kind of broadband) offering when
it's fully
implemented around here. That may solve my woes.

============================

As for 'Uncle Grumpy', guess there's always one in the crowd. No need to be so
provocative just because one doesn't know the answer. All sounds a bit
masochistic to me. I may be a moron but there is, after all, some method to
my madness too. Assumed that a Win XP expert (like you apparently presume
yourself to be, with poor manners at that) worked his way up thru the
hierarchy, including Win 98 and Dial-Up; though this would be debatable in
your case.

Fact is, the instance that first provoked me to question all this was when I
tried downloading XP SP2 a few months ago. I'd left it on overnight for a
total of about 12 hrs and it stopped just 5% or so short of completion and I
couldn't get it to resume. Tried a 2nd time from scratch and finally gave up.
Since the same thing was now happening in Win 98 for large updates, I thought
I might as well check here since this is also where I usually come, and kill
2 birds with one stone.

In meanwhile I'd found that for some recent smaller Win XP updates, there
seemed
in fact to be some sort of 'resume' function in effect - at least now. That
surprised me because I'd sent a suggestion in to Microsoft on this issue just
after that problem I'd had. So I was quite curious to know whether this
function just came
into effect or had always been there. I expect it was the latter and I'd
just had some
system problem. Only way to confirm that was to ask here and see if the
experts knew.

I would have thought that someone had experienced similar problems,
regardless of OS and had some useful advice on it for me. In any case, no
one has so far addressed the prime questions - either because no one has had
the problem or, simply, no one knows for sure whether there is or is not a
"resume download" function included at MS Updates for both Win 98 and Win XP
updates, in all cases
and for how long it's been around.

If you know for sure, then why not simply say so and let me get on with
looking elsewhere - like for a system problem or a line problem.

If you don't, be man enough to admit you don't know. Quit grumping.

For your personal enlightenment, BTW, am checking this out at other Newsgroups
and Forums as well, including non-Microsoft connected ones, both Win 98 and
XP. So far, no one has as yet answered the question or covered the issue from
all angles - which is another reason I'm hangin in here.

Thanks to PA Bear and Plato, at least I've learned something useful that
might yet help me to at least narrow this down.

Your own input. on the other hand, Mr. Grumpy, doesn't add anything much; I
already know that and did that. So what else is new? I wouldn't be here to
trouble you all if I knew all the answers - now would I, Mr. Grumpy.