Canon Chipped Cartridge - Help

[Davy]

Wonder if anyone can put me straight here..

The ink tanks for the ip4200 etc series printers as you know uses
chipped tank, I understand that this is for ink monitoring only

As I understand when these are refilled you lose the ink monitor an
you have to keep a visual eye on the level. So what happens when
refilled tank runs out on the printers, do they stop as though ther
is no ink in.....or do they continue to print even when the head run
dry, I would imagine it would stop printing

Be glad to have any confirmation to clear the matter up

Dav

 

[Taliesyn]

Wonder if anyone can put me straight here..!

The ink tanks for the ip4200 etc series printers as you know uses a
chipped tank, I understand that this is for ink monitoring only.

As I understand when these are refilled you lose the ink monitor and
you have to keep a visual eye on the level. So what happens when a
refilled tank runs out on the printers, do they stop as though there
is no ink in.....or do they continue to print even when the head runs
dry, I would imagine it would stop printing.

Be glad to have any confirmation to clear the matter up.

Davy

Well if these new cartridges have electronic memory chips that become
non-functional once the cartridge is considered empty, then I'd say you
would probably be able to print with your own refill ink until ....
well, until you notice no ink coming from the nozzles, by which time you
run the risk of overheating them (ink is the coolant). You'd have to
remember to check the cartridges manually before every print job, or at
least at the start of the day, to know how much ink is left.

-Taliesyn

 

[Davy]

quote="Taliesyn

Well if these new cartridges have electronic memory chips tha become
non-functional once the cartridge is considered empty, then I'd sa you
would probably be able to print with your own refill ink until ...

well, until you notice no ink coming from the nozzles, by which tim you
run the risk of overheating them (ink is the coolant). You'd hav t
remember to check the cartridges manually before every print job, o a
least at the start of the day, to know how much ink is left

Yes it does sound strange, it what I've read a couple times an
wondered if anyone could clarify this, s'pose it's kinda like lettin
a kettle boil dry.."pop goes the element"

Could'nt see them fitting a chip just for the ink monitoring purpose
must be one or two with the experience by now.... thanks for th
reply

Dav

 

[measekite]

Yes it does sound strange, it what I've read a couple times and
wondered if anyone could clarify this, s'pose it's kinda like letting
a kettle boil dry.."pop goes the element".

DATS LIKE POP GOES DA WEASEL

 

[measekite]

Well if these new cartridges have electronic memory chips that become
non-functional once the cartridge is considered empty, then I'd say
you would probably be able to print with your own refill ink until .

THE PRINTHEAD CLOGS WHICH IS SOONER AS OPPOSED TO LATER

... well, until you notice no ink coming from the nozzles, by which
time you run the risk of overheating them (ink is the coolant). You'd
have to
remember to check the cartridges manually before every print job, or at
least at the start of the day, to know how much ink is left.

ANOTHER PAIN IN THE ASS

 

[Bent Nielsen]

Yes it does sound strange, it what I've read a couple times and
wondered if anyone could clarify this, s'pose it's kinda like letting
a kettle boil dry.."pop goes the element".

Could'nt see them fitting a chip just for the ink monitoring purpose,
must be one or two with the experience by now.... thanks for the
reply.

Davy

Well could you see them fit a chip to make a lot more of money, because I
think that's what they done, the bj6 cartridges was the easyest to refill,
think about all that money that canon didn't make.
Just my two pence

Bent

 

[measekite]

"Davy" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse


Well could you see them fit a chip to make a lot more of money, because I
think that's what they done, the bj6 cartridges was the easyest to refill,
think about all that money that canon didn't make.
Just my two pence

Bent

THEY MISSED OUT ON VERY LITTLE BECAUSE VERY VERY FEW (RELATIVELY) REFILLED.

 

[Frank]

Well could you see them fit a chip to make a lot more of money, because I
think that's what they done, the bj6 cartridges was the easyest to refill,
think about all that money that canon didn't make.
Just my two pence

Bent

Great cart! Thousands if not millions have used and are currently this
great cart to refill with quality ink and saving millions of dollars.
**** the oem'ers.
They deserve to go broke supporting the oem exec's.
Frank

 

[SleeperMan]

Great cart! Thousands if not millions have used and are currently this
great cart to refill with quality ink and saving millions of dollars.
**** the oem'ers.
They deserve to go broke supporting the oem exec's.
Frank

i wonder...if i remember right, Canon said tht optical sensor will remain,
and they will only add chip to follow ink more precisely...is that so or new
models doesn't have optical sensor anymore?

 

[measekite]

Frank wrote:

THERRE ISN'T ANY
DA HARHAT WID A PICKUP TRUCK AND A GUN RACK

 

[Davy]

quote="SleeperMan

i wonder...if i remember right, Canon said tht optical sensor wil remain,
and they will only add chip to follow ink more precisely...is tha so or new
models doesn't have optical sensor anymore

Really can't see the point cos the opto system does just that, wha
improvement can it make can't see it being any more precise..

Only three ways to get the monitoring done, estimate the usage lik
Epson, use a opto system like the present or use a sensor in direc
contact with the ink

But what happens when the refilled tank runs out, does the printe
stop printing or carries on to burn the heads out..

Dav

 

[SleeperMan]

Really can't see the point cos the opto system does just that, what
improvement can it make can't see it being any more precise..?

Only three ways to get the monitoring done, estimate the usage like
Epson, use a opto system like the present or use a sensor in direct
contact with the ink.

But what happens when the refilled tank runs out, does the printer
stop printing or carries on to burn the heads out..?

Davy

opto helps in such matter that printer really knows when cart is out of ink,
while software counting is only approximate. in old models when opto comes
in action, counting begins and after so many drops it will stop printing,
while in new models without opto, printer wouldn't stop and head damage can
occur.
That's why is then only thing to monitor cart, however it's a good idea to
refill BEFORE cart is empty anyway.

 

[measekite]

Davy wrote:



opto helps in such matter that printer really knows when cart is out of ink,
while software counting is only approximate. in old models when opto comes
in action, counting begins and after so many drops it will stop printing,
while in new models without opto, printer wouldn't stop and head damage can
occur.
That's why is then only thing to monitor cart, however it's a good idea to
refill BEFORE cart is empty anyway.

IT IS NEVER A GOOD IDEA TO REFILL. GOT GET A NEW OEM CART

 

[Bob Headrick]

Really can't see the point cos the opto system does just that, what
improvement can it make can't see it being any more precise..?

The optical system will only give a signal when the free ink portion of
the ink tank is empty, the system can then do drop counting for the
remaining 15% or so held in the sponge. With the chip they can do drop
counting from the beginning, giving a "gas gauge" type signal during
life rather than just an "almost out of ink" warning.

- Bob Headrick

 

[Davy]

quote="Bob Headrick

The optical system will only give a signal when the free ink portio of
the ink tank is empty, the system can then do drop counting for th

remaining 15% or so held in the sponge. With the chip they can d drop
counting from the beginning, giving a "gas gauge" typ signal during
life rather than just an "almost out of ink" warning

Thanks Bob, think I understand now, but what happens after a refille
tank runs empty, does the printer stop printing or does it continu
printing letting the heads burn out...

Dav

 

[Bob Headrick]

Thanks Bob, think I understand now, but what happens after a refilled
tank runs empty, does the printer stop printing or does it continue
printing letting the heads burn out...?

I do not know that the Canon 4200 series does. Certainly it cannot
give a gas gauge reading since it cannot tell what level the ink is, but
it would be possible to give the "down to the last 15%" warning. I do
not know if it actually gives this report or not, it would depend on the
driver and firmware choices they made.

Regards,
Bob Headrick

 

[Gary Tait]

THERRE ISN'T ANY

That measekite remembers, as she ha a brain disease that couses the name
"MIS", "Image Specialists" and "Hobbycolors" to be forgotten.

 

[Gary Tait]

Well if these new cartridges have electronic memory chips that become
non-functional once the cartridge is considered empty, then I'd say you
would probably be able to print with your own refill ink until ....
well, until you notice no ink coming from the nozzles, by which time you
run the risk of overheating them (ink is the coolant). You'd have to
remember to check the cartridges manually before every print job, or at
least at the start of the day, to know how much ink is left.

-Taliesyn

Putting on my engineering cap, one could hijack the signal from the
optical sensor(s) there, feed that data to a microcontroller, and have
that monitor the prism, probably with a simple set of LEDs.

 

[measekite]

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Putting on my engineering cap,

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PUT ON A CAP WHEN YOU DO NOT HAVE A HEAD

one could hijack the signal

A CROOK

from the
optical sensor(s) there, feed that data

YOU CAN EAT DA DATA

 

[measekite]

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That measekite remembers, as she ha a brain disease that couses the name
"MIS", "Image Specialists" and "Hobbycolors" to be forgotten.

HUMPTY DUMPTY SAT ON A WALL
ALL DA RELABELERS HAD A GREAT FALL
THEY ARE NOT HIP
AND CANNOT FIGHT DA CHIP

HA HA HA HA