Before you upgrade to Vista

R

RMZ

Bill Gates went on record today saying looking back 1-year at Vista "a
lot of companies would say it's the best product of the year".

No Blll, we love ya and wish we had 1% of your wealth but the reality
is most people would say the opposite, here's a sampling of the media
blitz on Vista over the past year:

PC World labeled it "#1 Disapointing product of the year"
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140583-page,5-c,techindustrytrends/article.html

WIRED magazine placed it #6 on their "heartbreaking gadgets of 2007"
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetreviews/multimedia/2007/12/YE_Gadgets_Top10Letdowns

CNET-CRAVE placed it #10 on it's Terrible products of 2007 list
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49293700-10,00.htm

As a Vista owner for a bit over a week now I can tell you whole
heartedly I wish I had Windows XP back. I've been through 3 graphic
cards (cards with 32-bit Vista drivers available mind you) and two
sound cards only to have had problems with all of them. I finally
settled for motherboard based sound and the ATI 2600 HD Pro card
(which even with the latest drivers has strange 'tearing' effect on
some DirectX 10 game applications.

All in all the answer to your question IS VISTA WORTH THE UPGRADE is
(in spite of what some in this newsgroup will claim), for most the
answer is a very firm NO. I'm considering paying $150 for an OEM copy
of Windows XP Pro because it's faster and just runs more stable it
seems, albeit without the bells and whistles of VISTA which are hit
and mist, but not core.

Please do not private e-mail me regarding this post, if you must reply
keep the discussion here where it belongs.
 
N

non flammable on XP

thank you for giving this testimony.. and you are 100% correct..

Vista is a bad lemon
 
H

HeyBub

RMZ said:
As a Vista owner for a bit over a week now I can tell you whole
heartedly I wish I had Windows XP back. I've been through 3 graphic
cards (cards with 32-bit Vista drivers available mind you) and two
sound cards only to have had problems with all of them. I finally
settled for motherboard based sound and the ATI 2600 HD Pro card
(which even with the latest drivers has strange 'tearing' effect on
some DirectX 10 game applications.

So, you've got some dodgy hardware and blame Vista?
 
S

Spanky deMonkey

non flammable on XP said:
thank you for giving this testimony.. and you are 100% correct..

Vista is a bad lemon

You are a bad lemon. You flunked elementary school and you are a complete
jerk. Moron. You know nothing about computers. The best you can do is
play with an etch-a-sketch.

Just FYI
 
R

RMZ

So, you've got some dodgy hardware and blame Vista?

No, it wasn't the hardware in at least two of the cases. The GeForce
7600 GS worked in an XP box I had without showing the color contrast
issues it had with Vista.... the sound card the same. So it is a case
of Vista drivers, which ironicly are suppose to be better.
 
N

non flammable on XP

warning to all readers.. this poster is called doris and is mentaly
unstable..

ignore her
 
C

Curt

Once upon a time, in 1995...

Again in 96, with NT 4.0

Then there was that 2000 fiasco.

Windows ME?

Windows XP was a total disaster when it came out.
Until the first service pack, people were cursing for ever
having left 98 SE behind.

So much for short term memory loss. Every time MS releases a
new software. Out of all I have ever tried, Vista initial
release has been the most stable, and the most functional.

After tweaks, not one issue. Not one. I can't wait to see the first
service pack.

But, knowing my luck, it'll break something.
Then, I'll be complaining too.

Curt
 
J

Jdr

RMZ said:
Bill Gates went on record today saying looking back 1-year at Vista "a
lot of companies would say it's the best product of the year".

He is the greediest "economic with the truth" amongst all of them
in Redmond. Just look at the prices of MS products which
sell unfinished products for the price of complete one.
 
B

Bob

Hooray! About time somebody other than me, and MVP's sung the praises of
Vista, I also have Ultimate, Pre SP1 and its superb. I have XP Pro SP2 on
one drive, Vista Ultimate on another and Ubuntu on a 3rd. Vista boots
fastest, runs smoother and to-date, have had very few problems. Ubuntu,
cant see 3 of my 12 USB ports (error 110), and cant detect or enable either
my fingerprint reader, or the bluetooth tranceiver for bluetooth keyboard
and mouse!!!!
 
A

AlexB

MS has rolled over many businesses like a steamer over the years: Borland,
Visual dBase, RealPlayer, WordPerfect, many other unnamed "players,"
Netscape, etc., etc., etc.

Look at Sun Microsystems for example. Their CEO once said that her would
reduce MS to a third rate company. Where's Sun's fortune now? The stock is
below $5 a share.

IBM set out on its own path. Where is their DB? Oracle is in decline. I've
know programmers who spent their entire life doing nothing but Oracle and
now they (over teh age 45!!!) are forced to learn new tools.

Linux used to be a challenge, where is now? 0/59% of the market. I suspect
the only people who use it are at the Sun's and IBM since they would get a
seizure if had a chance to look at MS globe.

Many a Vista hater around here, including this illiterate inflammable who
does not really know the meaning of the word he chose for his alias, are
ex-employees of those now defunct "corporations."

Some of them have never seen a computer with Vista inside, they just spread
their poison around: "Vista is lemon." Of course, no facts are given to
support it, bogus videos from Youtube they claim have something to do with
Vista.

Sick people. Instead of facing reality they leave in dream world, in the
meantime MS is steaming ahead.

From my standpoint as a bottom line consumer, having Windows Media Player as
part of the package of Windows Vista is much preferable than to fork $40 for
real player or similar products. What can you do if your Zone Alarm doe snot
work? You can never get hold of anybody. I would rather have MS to take care
of security. At least you can always talk to them.
 
B

Bob

Good points, well made Alex, Thanks.

AlexB said:
MS has rolled over many businesses like a steamer over the years: Borland,
Visual dBase, RealPlayer, WordPerfect, many other unnamed "players,"
Netscape, etc., etc., etc.

Look at Sun Microsystems for example. Their CEO once said that her would
reduce MS to a third rate company. Where's Sun's fortune now? The stock is
below $5 a share.

IBM set out on its own path. Where is their DB? Oracle is in decline. I've
know programmers who spent their entire life doing nothing but Oracle and
now they (over teh age 45!!!) are forced to learn new tools.

Linux used to be a challenge, where is now? 0/59% of the market. I suspect
the only people who use it are at the Sun's and IBM since they would get a
seizure if had a chance to look at MS globe.

Many a Vista hater around here, including this illiterate inflammable who
does not really know the meaning of the word he chose for his alias, are
ex-employees of those now defunct "corporations."

Some of them have never seen a computer with Vista inside, they just
spread their poison around: "Vista is lemon." Of course, no facts are
given to support it, bogus videos from Youtube they claim have something
to do with Vista.

Sick people. Instead of facing reality they leave in dream world, in the
meantime MS is steaming ahead.

From my standpoint as a bottom line consumer, having Windows Media Player
as part of the package of Windows Vista is much preferable than to fork
$40 for real player or similar products. What can you do if your Zone
Alarm doe snot work? You can never get hold of anybody. I would rather
have MS to take care of security. At least you can always talk to them.
 
C

Curt

Let's not even bring up Os/2 Warp. yep, I wasted time on that one too.

Was a great system then. But nothing seemed to work with it, then
IBM pulled the plug. The longer this all goes on, the more
we all see. I don't think MS were the bad guys after all.
 
D

DarkSentinel

RMZ said:
No, it wasn't the hardware in at least two of the cases. The GeForce
7600 GS worked in an XP box I had without showing the color contrast
issues it had with Vista.... the sound card the same. So it is a case
of Vista drivers, which ironicly are suppose to be better.

That's funny, have had exactly ZERO problems on my Vista box with the nVidia
6100 chipset. Whereas, my fiance's XP box with the EXACT SAME chipset , and
running the EXACT SAME version of the nVidia drivers now has a 5 pixel x 5
pixel block dead center of display. How do you explain that? Guess that
means XP sucks huh? What you and a lot of others are not getting is that for
the most part, MS does NOT write the drivers for hardware. They give the
specifications of the operating system to each mfr and it is up to THEM to
make it work. If the driver is shit, it's THEIR fault, NOT Vista's or MS's.
 
D

DarkSentinel

Bob said:
Hooray! About time somebody other than me, and MVP's sung the praises of
Vista, I also have Ultimate, Pre SP1 and its superb. I have XP Pro SP2 on
one drive, Vista Ultimate on another and Ubuntu on a 3rd. Vista boots
fastest, runs smoother and to-date, have had very few problems. Ubuntu,
cant see 3 of my 12 USB ports (error 110), and cant detect or enable
either my fingerprint reader, or the bluetooth tranceiver for bluetooth
keyboard and mouse!!!!

It's not singing praises, and God knows I'm not an MS shill or an MVP, but
what works works. As I said in another post, people just don't get the fact
that MS DOES NOT WRITE THE DRIVERS. Maybe NOW they will get it.
 

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