Backup Issue: Installation

[Navyguy]

Not possible.
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Follow the instructions on the page you linked a while back.  Assuming that
page was the correct one for your drive.  However, if it were me, I'd
resolve the problems with your current C: drive first.
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The diagram is pressed into the metal on the back of the drive and is
normally quite close to where the jumper pins are.  It is small and hard to
see but is there on every drive I have ever seen.
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1. Turn off computer
2. Insert drive into cage, secure with small bolts.
3. Hook up center connector on data cable to new drive
4. Hook up power connector  to new drive
5. Set jumper on new drive as it should be (slave or cable select)
6. Set jumper on old drive as it should be (master or cable select)
    Note that there may be other jumper possibilities...it depends upon the
particular drives you have.
7. Boot
8. Assure that the new drive is recognized by the BIOS
9. When in Windows, assure that the new drive is listed in Windows Explorer.
If not, assign it a drive letter via Control Panel, Administrative Tools,
Computer Management, Disk Management
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Don't mess with it.  The problem appears hardware oriented anyway.

Once you get it back to normal, you might want to get, install and use
ERUNT.  It is a program that will backup the registry when Windows boots.
You can set it up to keep "X" daily copies (I keep 7) before it starts
overwriting the old ones.  You can use it to resore a previous registry..
Handy.http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/
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See previous reply from today.

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4. Hook up power connector to new drive
5. Set jumper on new drive as it should be (slave or cable select)
6. Set jumper on old drive as it should be (master or cable select)
Note that there may be other jumper possibilities...it depends upon the
particular drives you have.

This is the issue. Iif I'm going to try to finish the initial
procedure. I don't know which jumpers to set if needed? Apparently
from what I've read the slave doesnt have any jumpers but I need to
set some for the master otherwise they are both slaves regardless of
their position on the ribbon cable? Again the page I refered to was
for a ATA drive not a PATA drive which the Seagate Barracuda 7200 is.
Its just the nearest thing I could find in my searches because the
7200 is out of date?

Thanks,
Robert

 

[Navyguy]

This is the issue. Iif I'm going to try to finish the initial
procedure. I don't know which jumpers to set if needed? Apparently
from what I've read the slave doesnt have any jumpers but I need to
set some for the master otherwise they are both slaves regardless of
their position on the ribbon cable? Again the page I refered to was
for a ATA drive not a PATA drive which the Seagate Barracuda 7200 is.
Its just the nearest thing I could find in my searches because the
7200 is out of date?

Thanks,
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I just tried logging in and tapping F8 and it let me into the Windows
boot menu. I slected the last configuration that worked but it didnt
do anything. I tried it again with the same result. At least I'm able
to get in.

Any further thoughts/suggestions? I really would hate to have to
reformat my hard drive.

Thanks,
Robert

 

[dadiOH]

This is the issue. Iif I'm going to try to finish the initial
procedure. I don't know which jumpers to set if needed?

In my mind, your step #1 should be to get your *original* setup functional
again. IOW, I would stop messing with the second drive until all is well
with other stuff.

You've mentioned several times that when you boot to Windows it offers to
run some setup utility if you press F2. Setup utility for what?? Have you
checked Device Manager to see if their are yellow exclamation marks by any
of the hardware? If not, why not? Have you pressed F2? If not, why not?

BTW, Is your video on the mobo or a separate card? I ask because lack of
video drivers is the probable cause of your complaints about the appearance
of things on the monitor.
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Apparently
from what I've read the slave doesnt have any jumpers but I need to
set some for the master otherwise they are both slaves regardless of
their position on the ribbon cable?

No, not necessarily. Perhaps you have the old drive is set to cable select
in which case its master/slave role is determined by its position on the
cable (end=master). I have no idea *how* you have it set as you've ever
said. Additionally, as I've said before, each manufacturer's drives are set
differently...you'd need to check your documentation or the manufacturer's
site for jumpering info for your old drive. However it should work as is -
by itself - assuming you have made no changes to it.
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Again the page I refered to was
for a ATA drive not a PATA drive which the Seagate Barracuda 7200 is.

ATA stands for Advanced Tecnology Attachment and means that the HD has a
self contained disk controller. PATA means the same thing with the addition
of "Parallel" to contrast it with SATA which means Serial ATA which is very
different.

ATA<>PATA<>IDE, all the same.
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/A/ATA.html

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[dadiOH]

I just tried logging in and tapping F8 and it let me into the Windows
boot menu. I slected the last configuration that worked but it didnt
do anything. I tried it again with the same result. At least I'm able
to get in.

Any further thoughts/suggestions?

Yeah. Get the boot menu again and try "Normal". You said earlier that
Windows booted but your display was messed up so "Normal" should get you
back to at least that. Once there, check Device Manager for problem devices
and fix any that are flagged.

It would help (here) if you would trim un-needed parts of posts, easier to
follow and reply.


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[dadiOH]

? I actually don't know what mode I'm in other than it not the normal
mode. I refer to it looking like Safe mode not knowing what else to
call to describe it's unusual look .
? It does change it but it's still grainy and the selections given
are different than what I had. I did try to correct the screen
resolution problem as you suggested but it's already set to classis
yet it isn't what was there. My Classic was med to dark blue with
smaller icons.

It matters not what your Classic was, we aren't talking about that. We are
talking about screen resolution and color quality which have zero to do with
"Classic". They have to do with whether or not you can change those
*specific* things from Control Panel, Display, Settings tab. If you can
*not* change them, it means that your video drivers have gotten messed up
and that is the reason for the unusual appearance of things on your monitor
when Windows is running.
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When I strike the F1 key it takes to my web browser, if I strike F2 it
takes me to the Bios. I've tried both ways and nothing changes. I keep
getting the same error/pop messages at start-up.

Hell, I'm not even sure you are *in* Windows when you get those options. Do
you see your desktop too? In Windows, F1 calls up the "Help" ; F2 lets you
rename whatever object is currently selected...if none is selected, nothing
happens.

If you are *NOT* in Windows when you get those messages - I suspect you are
not and the "Plug and Play Configuration Error message also indicates you
are not - then F2 may be taking you to the BIOS setup so you can correct the
BIOS error. That's what F2 does on my computer when BIOS is active; for
sure, F2 will *NOT* take you to BIOS from Windows.

If that is the case - an error in the BIOS plug & play configuration - you
will have to correct it *from* BIOS and I can't tell you how to do that as
all mobos are different...you'll have to refer to the mobo manual or check
the manufacturer's site. That BIOS error may be the cause of your wierd
looking screen when in Windows too.

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I was afraid you were going to say that.

It's not that big a deal; however, you need to correct any BIOS error first
as I suspect your other problem(s) will go away afterward.

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[Navyguy]

It matters not what your Classic was, we aren't talking about that.  Weare
talking about screen resolution and color quality which have zero to do with
"Classic".  They have to do with whether or not you can change those
*specific* things from Control Panel, Display, Settings tab.  If you can
*not* change them, it means that your video drivers have gotten messed up
and that is the reason for the unusual appearance of things on your monitor
when Windows is running.
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Hell, I'm not even sure you are *in* Windows when you get those options.  Do
you see your desktop too?  In Windows, F1 calls up the "Help" ; F2 letsyou
rename whatever object is currently selected...if none is selected, nothing
happens.

If you are *NOT* in Windows when you get those messages - I suspect you are
not and the "Plug and Play Configuration Error message also indicates you
are not - then F2 may be taking you to the BIOS setup so you can correct the
BIOS error.  That's what F2 does on my computer when BIOS is active; for
sure, F2 will *NOT* take you to BIOS from Windows.

If that is the case - an error in the BIOS plug & play configuration - you
will have to correct it *from* BIOS and I can't tell you how to do that as
all mobos are different...you'll have to refer to the mobo manual or check
the manufacturer's site.  That BIOS error may be the cause of your wierd
looking screen when in Windows too.

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It's not that big a deal; however, you need to correct any BIOS error first
as I suspect your other problem(s) will go away afterward.

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I apologize for the long messages, I’ll try and keep them brief.

BTW, Is your video on the mobo or a separate card? I ask because lack
of
video drivers is the probable cause of your complaints about the
appearance
of things on the monitor.

I really don’t know.

I checked the device manager and there’s a yellow exclamation point
next to the NVIDAIA and when I clicked on it, then properties it says
‘this device cannot find enough free resources that it can use. (Code
12) If you want to use this device, you will need to disable one of
the other devices on this system. Click trouble shoot to start the
trouble shooter for this device’.

There also two yellow questions marks on Other Devices and under the
same folder Multimedia Audio Center. When I clicked on Multimedia
Audio Center, then it’s properties it say’s, ‘ device not configured
correctly. (code 1) Reinstall the drivers for this device. Click
Reinstall driver. ( I thought it best to wait before I clicked it)


I logged on to the boot menu and selected logon normally but it
still gave the same line Play and Plug error messages, the F1 and F2
message occur right after the banner page with the choice of selection
F2,F12 not in Windows or the desktop and the same grainy pattern prior
to the desktop.

Below should read:

When I strike the F1 key it takes me to the desk top, if I strike F2
it

takes me to the Bios.

This is what I’ve done,…in my opinion, which may be incorrect, the
problem lies with the initial installation of the slave drive (because
I keep getting the pop up messages).

While checking for the diagram for jumpers under magnification I
noticed the slave drive had jumpers which it shouldn’t. So I removed
the jumpers and re-installed the slave drive. I logged onto my
administrators account and I was surprised that the desktop was back
to normal, everything was! I checked for updates and then make a
System restore point. (In passing, there was no diagram). I thought my
problems were solved by my oversight of the jumpers.

However, when I restarted the computer and went to the User account it
was messed up like before and gave the same messages. So I logged off
again and went back to the Administrators account to see if I could
now install the slave drive to get me out of this loop but it was
messed up again as well! Nevertheless I tried to install the slave
drive but the installation wizard is asking for a install disc which I
do not have. All I have is a Seagate Utility Disc. I tried to let the
computer search for me but it came up with nothing. So it seems I’m
stuck because of this software issue. I feel that if I only had the
disc or a downloaded version I could complete the process and bring my
system back to normal. Understand, my concern isn’t to have a backup
drive at this point but to return my computer, desktop and browsers as
they once were. The fact that I regained it briefly today offers some
hope.

Thoughts,
Suggestions
Robert

 

[Navyguy]

I apologize for the long messages, I’ll try and keep them brief.

BTW, Is your video on the mobo or a separate card?  I ask because lack
of
video drivers is the probable cause of your complaints about the
appearance
of things on the monitor.

I really don’t know.

I checked the device manager and there’s a yellow exclamation point
next to the NVIDAIA and when I clicked on it, then properties it says
‘this device cannot find enough free resources that it can use. (Code
12) If you want to use this device, you will need to disable one of
the other devices on this system. Click trouble shoot to start the
trouble shooter for this device’.

There also two yellow questions marks on Other Devices and under the
same folder Multimedia Audio Center. When I clicked on Multimedia
Audio Center, then it’s properties it say’s, ‘ device not configured
correctly. (code 1) Reinstall the drivers for this device. Click
Reinstall driver. ( I thought it best to wait before I clicked it)

I logged on to the boot menu and selected  logon normally  but it
still gave the same line Play and Plug error messages, the F1 and F2
message occur right after the banner page with the choice of selection
F2,F12 not in Windows or the desktop and the same grainy pattern prior
to the desktop.

Below should read:

When I strike the F1 key it takes me to the desk top, if I strike F2
it


This is what I’ve done,…in my opinion, which may be incorrect, the
problem lies with the initial installation of the slave drive (because
I keep getting the pop up messages).

While checking for the diagram for jumpers under magnification I
noticed the slave drive had jumpers which it shouldn’t. So I removed
the jumpers and re-installed the slave drive. I logged onto my
administrators account and I was surprised that the desktop was back
to normal, everything was! I checked for updates and then make a
System restore point. (In passing, there was no diagram). I thought my
problems were solved by my oversight of the jumpers.

However, when I restarted the computer and went to the User account it
was messed up like before and gave the same messages. So I logged off
again and went back to the Administrators account to see if I could
now install the slave drive to get me out of this loop but it was
messed up again as well! Nevertheless I tried to install the slave
drive but the installation wizard is asking for a install disc which I
do not have. All I have is a Seagate Utility Disc. I tried to let the
computer search for me but it came up with nothing. So it seems I’m
stuck because of this software issue. I feel that if I only had the
disc or a downloaded version I could complete the process and bring my
system back to normal. Understand, my concern isn’t to have a backup
drive at this point but to return my computer, desktop and browsers as
they once were. The fact that I regained it briefly today offers some
hope.

Thoughts,
Suggestions
Robert- Hide quoted text -

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You won't believe this because I still don't so I'm writing this
before soemthing else happens!@!!!

I started thinking that I should us my Recovery disc that came with my
Dell computer for the disc the wizard is asking for. So I thought I
would give it a try. When I logged on the computer, it gave me my
original account selection (4) whereas before it was only giving me
(2). I selected the administrator account and it gave me my original
desk top! The MSN box which appears automatically, was smaller but it
allowed me to expand it.

I checked the device manager and it showed the slave drive and
performing normally but it doesnt have an assigned letter for it so
apparently the computer see's it but the Bios doesn't?. There were no
yellow exclamations points or anything. All looked normal.

I ran updates for Avira, Spybot, Spyware Blaster, Windows, and ran
ATF, and then made a System Restore mark. I then restarted the
computer and for the very first time it gave me the usual (4) accounts
to select to sign in to twice in a row! I selected a User account, and
for the first time the User screen is back to normal the way it was!.
Well, not quite, the settings are 1024 x 768 and I believe I had them
set a bit lower and the task bar was blue whereas now it's white! I'm
not bitching at all! I think I'll leave it like this for awhile just
to enjoy it! Although I would like the taskbar blue again.

I hope this lasts,..whew,. the last couple of days have been a
nightmare.. it sure beats me how this happened. I didn't do anything
but remove the jumpers and when I tried it then it didn't work(see
above).

I think it shows I need a dedicated hard drive but where do I go from
here?

Thought/Suggestions?
Robert

 

[Navyguy]

Navyguy wrote:

NOTE: all the long, non-germaine copy from previous posts has been snipped
in the interest of clarity.
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I don't recall you previously mentioning either a "wizard" or a disk being
requested.  No matter, the recovery disk did essentially what a WinXP repair
install does for those of us who use unbranded computers.
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Drive letters don't show in Device Manager.  Does it show one using Windows
Explorer?


No, BIOS recognizes it but you may have to assign it a drive letter for
Windows to show it in Window Explorer.  You do that - as previously
explained twice - via Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Computer
Management, Disk Management
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I thought that your C: drive was back to normal and the second, recently
installed drive was listed in Device Manager.  Seems to me you are goodto
go once you assign the new drive a letter (if it doesn't alreay have one in
WinExplorer)  so what do you mean by "dedicated hard drive"?

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I don't recall you previously mentioning either a "wizard" or a disk
being
requested.

See below exerpts:

Nevertheless I tried to install the slave drive but the installation
wizard is asking for a install disc which I
do not have.

I started thinking that I should us my Recovery disc that came with my
Dell computer for the disc the wizard is asking for.

What I mean by a dedicated hard drive is the slave drive. Sorry for
the confusion. I'll check into giving the slave drive a letter. If I
have further problems I'll start a new thread. I want to thank
everyone for their time and excellent advice. Its much appreciated.

Thanks,
Robert

 

[dadiOH]

Navyguy wrote:

NOTE: all the long, non-germaine copy from previous posts has been snipped
in the interest of clarity.
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You won't believe this because I still don't so I'm writing this
before soemthing else happens!@!!!

I started thinking that I should us my Recovery disc that came with my
Dell computer for the disc the wizard is asking for.

I don't recall you previously mentioning either a "wizard" or a disk being
requested. No matter, the recovery disk did essentially what a WinXP repair
install does for those of us who use unbranded computers.
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I checked the device manager and it showed the slave drive and
performing normally but it doesnt have an assigned letter for it

Drive letters don't show in Device Manager. Does it show one using Windows
Explorer?

so apparently the computer see's it but the Bios doesn't

No, BIOS recognizes it but you may have to assign it a drive letter for
Windows to show it in Window Explorer. You do that - as previously
explained twice - via Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Computer
Management, Disk Management
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I think it shows I need a dedicated hard drive but where do I go from
here?

I thought that your C: drive was back to normal and the second, recently
installed drive was listed in Device Manager. Seems to me you are good to
go once you assign the new drive a letter (if it doesn't alreay have one in
WinExplorer) so what do you mean by "dedicated hard drive"?


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LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
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