Backup Issue: Installation

[Navyguy]

I have a Dell Dimension 8200 running IE8 with XP, SP3 , Windows
Firewall, Avira Antivirus, Spybot, (for updates only) ,
Spywareblaster, ATF and Hive Cleanup and all the programs work well
together are up to date.

I recently installed an additional hard drive on my computer for
backups. A Seagate Barracuda 7200, which I bought as a replacement if
I ever needed one.

I didn't have any problems installing it The ribbon cable pin
connector was grey and the power cable went in with no problem. I did
read up on setting the jumpers and it said that there should be no
jumpers for a slave (I noticed their weren't any jumpers on the
Master) and they didn't come with the little covers( I do have 2
though from another hard drive).

When I powered it up the screen was blank (I had to press the reset
button to power it off), so I opened it up again and unplugged the
power cable but it still was blank. So I unplugged the ribbon
connector but when the computer came up it showed that it detected a
new device, which I cancelled, and when it finally did come up the
browser looks liks I'm in Safe Mode.

I would appreciate any advice to get back to square one and help me
with the hd so that it works as a dedicated backup.


Thanks,
Robert

 

[boatman312]

I have a Dell Dimension 8200 running IE8 with XP, SP3 , Windows
Firewall, Avira Antivirus, Spybot, (for updates only) ,
Spywareblaster, ATF and Hive Cleanup and all the programs work well
together are up to date.

I recently installed an additional hard drive on my computer for
backups. A Seagate Barracuda 7200, which I bought as a replacement if
I ever needed one.

I didn't have any problems installing it The ribbon cable pin
connector was grey and the power cable went in with no problem. I did
read up on setting the jumpers and it said that there should be no
jumpers for a slave (I noticed their weren't any jumpers on the
Master) and they didn't come with the little covers( I do have 2
though from another hard drive).

When I powered it up the screen was blank (I had to press the reset
button to power it off), so I opened it up again and unplugged the
power cable but it still was blank. So I unplugged the ribbon
connector but when the computer came up it showed that it detected a
new device, which I cancelled, and when it finally did come up the
browser looks liks I'm in Safe Mode.

I would appreciate any advice to get back to square one and help me
with the hd so that it works as a dedicated backup.


Thanks,
Robert

Did you follow these instructions?

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim8200/replace.htm#1102155

 

[Paul]

I have a Dell Dimension 8200 running IE8 with XP, SP3 , Windows
Firewall, Avira Antivirus, Spybot, (for updates only) ,
Spywareblaster, ATF and Hive Cleanup and all the programs work well
together are up to date.

I recently installed an additional hard drive on my computer for
backups. A Seagate Barracuda 7200, which I bought as a replacement if
I ever needed one.

I didn't have any problems installing it The ribbon cable pin
connector was grey and the power cable went in with no problem. I did
read up on setting the jumpers and it said that there should be no
jumpers for a slave (I noticed their weren't any jumpers on the
Master) and they didn't come with the little covers( I do have 2
though from another hard drive).

When I powered it up the screen was blank (I had to press the reset
button to power it off), so I opened it up again and unplugged the
power cable but it still was blank. So I unplugged the ribbon
connector but when the computer came up it showed that it detected a
new device, which I cancelled, and when it finally did come up the
browser looks liks I'm in Safe Mode.

I would appreciate any advice to get back to square one and help me
with the hd so that it works as a dedicated backup.


Thanks,
Robert

The Dell drive could be in Cable Select. You'd probably want the
second hard drive added, to be Cable Select as well, if that was
the case. Your options are either (Cable Select, Cable Select)
or (Master, Slave) with two drives. If WD drives are involved,
you might even need (Master with Slave, Slave), as WD has a few
differences from the others. WD offers Master (alone), Master with Slave,
and Slave as jumper options, when other makers offer Master, Slave.

When running a single drive, it goes on the end connector. The
second drive is added to the middle connector on the IDE cable.

The screen should not be black in any case. Even if the drives
are not jumpered properly, the BIOS should still start, and
display something to indicate it can't find a boot device or
can't detect drives or whatever. If the BIOS is actually functional,
and cannot start up the graphics system, it should beep a repeating
pattern of beeps, to indicate there is a problem. Once the BIOS
thinks the graphics are working, then any error codes should be
displayed on the screen.

A black screen could mean there isn't sufficient power. Or, it
could mean you bumped some other wiring inside the computer. Or
that there are multiple monitors, and the BIOS screen is displaying
on another monitor. Or, the monitor just died (if it stays black
and the OSD doesn't work).

Paul

 

[dadiOH]

I have a Dell Dimension 8200 running IE8 with XP, SP3 , Windows
Firewall, Avira Antivirus, Spybot, (for updates only) ,
Spywareblaster, ATF and Hive Cleanup and all the programs work well
together are up to date.

I recently installed an additional hard drive on my computer for
backups. A Seagate Barracuda 7200, which I bought as a replacement if
I ever needed one.

I didn't have any problems installing it The ribbon cable pin
connector was grey and the power cable went in with no problem. I did
read up on setting the jumpers and it said that there should be no
jumpers for a slave.

Where is "it" and were you reading about your *specific* drive or drives in
general?

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dadiOH
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[Jason]

backup drives should be USB, ESATA, or external SCSI so they can be removed
from the system.
Always check both drives - as stated the first should be set to Master (or
Master with slave), and the second to slave. I haven't used a cable select
cable for many years (Compaq) so no longer use the cable select method. This
is one reason I try and stay away from western digital drives.

 

[Navyguy]

Where is "it" and were you reading about your *specific* drive or drives in
general?

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dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it athttp://mysite.verizon.net/xico

'it' = hard drive, sorry. I want to thank 'Hot_Text' I completely
forgot about the software. (Slaps head).

To Anthony, Jason - I appreaciate the thoughts, but I'm on a very
limited fixed budget. If I can get this to work it will give me more
than I had for next to nothing since I already had the drives and
Paragon has a free trial to bootstrap it. However its an excellent
idea that I will keep in mind.

I think my difficulty is exactly how to set which one is Master and
Slave? This is my reference:

http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...toid=cbc974850ce0e010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD

I couldn't find any PATA jumper settings so maybe the Master has to
have some covered? As I said, I have (2) but if I need more where
could I buy them?

This what I have. The Master is connected at the end of the ribbon
cable and there are no jumpers. The Slave is set in the middle with no
jumpers. It seems that all I was missing was the software. Am I
wrong?


Thoughts, Suggestions
Thanks,
Robert

 

[Navyguy]

'it' = hard drive, sorry. I want to thank 'Hot_Text' I completely
forgot about the software. (Slaps head).

To Anthony, Jason - I appreaciate the thoughts, but I'm on a very
limited fixed budget. If I can get this to work it will give me more
than I had for next to nothing since I already had the drives and
Paragon has a free trial to bootstrap it. However its an excellent
idea that I will keep in mind.

I think my difficulty is exactly how to set which one is Master and
Slave? This is my reference:

http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=ata_jumper_se....

I couldn't find any PATA jumper settings so maybe the Master has to
have some covered? As I said, I have (2) but if I need more where
could I buy them?

This what I have. The Master is connected at the end of the ribbon
cable and there are no jumpers. The Slave is set in the middle with no
jumpers. It seems that all I was missing was the software. Am I
wrong?

Thoughts, Suggestions
Thanks,
Robert- Hide quoted text -

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I just realized that I cannot do this, I don't have the software. All
I have is a Seagate Disc Utility. Still, I don't remember having to
that when I upgraded my hd?

My problem now it to get my computer back to normal. It still has that
Safe Mode look and none of the pages will stay constant, they keep
tecovering the tab.

When I loin it gives me this:

Seeral line of plug and play configuration error. Strike the F1 key to
continue, F2 to run the setup utility. I set it to boot off the
C:drive but it still gives the same results, same page, same
messages.

I think I'm going to take Anthony and Jason's advice.

Thanks,
Robert

 

[Navyguy]

I just realized that I cannot do this, I don't have the software. All
I have is a Seagate Disc Utility. Still, I don't remember having to
that when I upgraded my hd?

My problem now it to get my computer back to normal. It still has that
Safe Mode look and none of the pages will stay constant, they keep
tecovering the tab.

When I loin it gives me this:

Seeral line of plug and play configuration error. Strike the F1 key to
continue, F2 to run the setup utility. I set it to boot off the
C:drive but it still gives the same results, same page, same
messages.

I think I'm going to take Anthony and Jason's advice.

Thanks,
Robert- Hide quoted text -

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Sorry, I should have read it before posting:

I should read:

When I login it gives me this:

Several linev of 'plug and play configuration error'. Strike the F1
key to continue, F2 to run the setup utility'.
I set it to boot off the C:drive but it still gives the same results,
same page, same messages.

Robert

 

[dadiOH]

'it' = hard drive, sorry. I want to thank 'Hot_Text' I completely
forgot about the software. (Slaps head).

To Anthony, Jason - I appreaciate the thoughts, but I'm on a very
limited fixed budget. If I can get this to work it will give me more
than I had for next to nothing since I already had the drives and
Paragon has a free trial to bootstrap it. However its an excellent
idea that I will keep in mind.

I think my difficulty is exactly how to set which one is Master and
Slave? This is my reference:

http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...toid=cbc974850ce0e010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD

I couldn't find any PATA jumper settings so maybe the Master has to
have some covered? As I said, I have (2) but if I need more where
could I buy them?

I don't understand...the page you linked gives the jumper positions you need
for PATA Seagate drives.. As I said before, there will also be a diagram
on the back of the drive near the jumper pins. Note that each brand of
drive may have different settings for a given state; that means you *may*
have to re-jumper your original drive...you need to check it too.
_____________________

This what I have. The Master is connected at the end of the ribbon
cable and there are no jumpers. The Slave is set in the middle with no
jumpers. It seems that all I was missing was the software. Am I
wrong?

You should need no software to have the drive recognized and useable.

You have the data cable connected correctly.

You won't need more than one jumper per drive. All they do is connect two
pins on the drive. Should you lose them, you can buy them pretty much
anywhere that sells computers.

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dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

 

[dadiOH]

Sorry, I should have read it before posting:

I should read:

When I login it gives me this:

Several linev of 'plug and play configuration error'. Strike the F1
key to continue, F2 to run the setup utility'.
I set it to boot off the C:drive but it still gives the same results,
same page, same messages.

Is this copy and paste from the Seagate site you posted germaine?

"Limit drive capacity/Capacity Limitation Jumper (CLJ). Use this when either
you start up your computer and see the message, "Hard disc drive controller
failure", your computer does not recognize your newly installed hard drive,
or your system stops responding during the boot process after installing
this new drive. If this jumper is required, your system cannot support a
drive this large and can be updated with a PCI controller card."

If so, you may need more jumpers.

If not, do you have the same messages when your new drive is totally
disconnected (power AND data cables)? If so, what happens when you press
F1? F2?



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dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

 

[dadiOH]

I have a Dell Dimension 8200 running IE8 with XP, SP3 , Windows
Firewall, Avira Antivirus, Spybot, (for updates only) ,
Spywareblaster, ATF and Hive Cleanup and all the programs work well
together are up to date.

I recently installed an additional hard drive on my computer for
backups. A Seagate Barracuda 7200, which I bought as a replacement if
I ever needed one.

I didn't have any problems installing it The ribbon cable pin
connector was grey and the power cable went in with no problem. I did
read up on setting the jumpers and it said that there should be no
jumpers for a slave (I noticed their weren't any jumpers on the
Master) and they didn't come with the little covers( I do have 2
though from another hard drive).

When I powered it up the screen was blank (I had to press the reset
button to power it off), so I opened it up again and unplugged the
power cable but it still was blank. So I unplugged the ribbon
connector but when the computer came up it showed that it detected a
new device, which I cancelled, and when it finally did come up the
browser looks liks I'm in Safe Mode.

To get out of Safe, you need to select what you want from the boot menu. To
get the boot options menu, you have to tap - and keep tapping - a particular
key during the BIOS POST (when you first turn on the computer). I can't
tell you *which* key as it varies from manufacturer to
manufacturer...sometimes it is the Delete key, sometimes F8, sometimes
something else. Regardless of manufacturer, there should be a message on
the monitor during POST telling you which it is.

If that doesn't do it, post back.

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dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

 

[Jason]

You don't need software. Sounds like you've done something with the cables
or jumper settings. If you are trying to boot up with just the original
drive and the second one totally disconencted check that the data cable is
plugged in at both ends and the power cable is plugged in correctly. Before
this make sure the jumper is set correctly (drive is Master). When the
computer boots up press DEL (or what-ever key is required) and go into the
computer bios. From there you should be able to get the bios to auto detect
the drive. Once done exit BIOS (usually F10) and save settings.

 

[Navyguy]

When I'm talking about the boot menu here, I'm talking about the *Windows*
boot menu, not any in the BIOS.  It gives you a full page of choices among
which are...
    Boot normally
    Use last known good configuration
Either of those should get you out of safe mode.

Since that is a Windows menu and since F8 calls it on my computer I imagine
F8 will call it on any computer running Windows..

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dadiOH
____________________________

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LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
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I totally disconnected the 'slave' drive and removed it from the
computer and made sure the connections to the master drive were snug
by pushing in on them.

I tried holding F8 but it still give the lines of Play and Plug
Configuration Error. Strike the F1 key to contine. F2 to run the setup
utility.

Also during start-up I get several pop-ups
1. display settings
2. found new hardware
3. you do not have sufficent security privilages,....
4. found new hard ware

I'm not in Safe Mode. It's still giving me the cartoon look like Safe
Mode. I'm still unable to use my computer except in a very limited
way. It seems all the pages/tabs are resetting. I'm frankly surprised
its letting me type this.

Nothing seems to be working as it should and startup has this play and
plug error that won't go away. Should I reset something in the Bios?


Thoughts/Suggestions,
Robert

 

[dadiOH]

To get out of Safe, you need to select what you want from the boot
menu. To get the boot options menu, you have to tap - and keep
tapping - a particular key during the BIOS POST (when you first turn
on the computer). I can't tell you *which* key as it varies from
manufacturer to manufacturer...sometimes it is the Delete key,
sometimes F8, sometimes something else. Regardless of manufacturer,
there should be a message on the monitor during POST telling you
which it is.
If that doesn't do it, post back.

When I'm talking about the boot menu here, I'm talking about the *Windows*
boot menu, not any in the BIOS. It gives you a full page of choices among
which are...
Boot normally
Use last known good configuration
Either of those should get you out of safe mode.

Since that is a Windows menu and since F8 calls it on my computer I imagine
F8 will call it on any computer running Windows..

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dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

 

[Navyguy]

I totally disconnected the 'slave' drive and removed it from the
computer and made sure the connections to the master drive were snug
by pushing in on them.

I tried holding F8 but it still give the lines of Play and Plug
Configuration Error. Strike the F1 key to contine. F2 to run the setup
utility.

Also during start-up I get several pop-ups
 1. display settings
2. found new hardware
3. you do not have sufficent security privilages,....
4. found new hard ware

I'm not in Safe Mode. It's still giving me the cartoon look like Safe
Mode. I'm still unable to use my computer except in a very limited
way. It seems all the pages/tabs are resetting. I'm frankly surprised
its letting me type this.

Nothing seems to be working as it should and startup has this play and
plug error that won't go away. Should I reset something in the Bios?

Thoughts/Suggestions,
Robert- Hide quoted text -

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I think what happened is that when I installed the slave hard drive
for some reason it gave me a blank screen so I assumed it didn’t work.
However, the computer keeps going back to that point because it now
recognizes that the hard drive was there, even with it disconnected
(like a ghost image).
So perhaps what I need to do is put the slave hard drive back in
(which as I understand I did correctly). However, if not, let me know
if I need any jumpers and where to place them (is pins 7-8 on the far
right with 7 on the top?)

Also in passing there is no diagram that I can see that everyone
refers to? Since no software appears to be required, can you please
refresh me on the steps needed to install it and bring my computer
back to normal.

I’ve also considered that it may be a registry problem and that I need
to delete or add something in the registry. I believe I could do that
if given instructions.

I’m just trying to get my computer running back the way it was without
the strange looking desktop -Very grainy with aqua colors , and big
fonts. (Mine was blue, set to Classic). Online pages constantly reset
themselves if I try to even scroll down.

Thanks,
Robert

 

[Jason]

what's the model number of the drive - might be able to look it up on the
manufactures website.

 

[dadiOH]

I totally disconnected the 'slave' drive and removed it from the
computer and made sure the connections to the master drive were snug
by pushing in on them.

I tried holding F8 but it still give the lines of Play and Plug
Configuration Error.

You have to tap it rapidly after the BIOS POST but before Windows starts
loading to get the Windows boot menu. Since you are no longer in safe mode,
forget it.
________________

Strike the F1 key to contine. F2 to run the setup
utility.

So what happens when you do them?
_______________

Also during start-up I get several pop-ups
1. display settings
2. found new hardware
3. you do not have sufficent security privilages,....
4. found new hard ware

I'm not in Safe Mode. It's still giving me the cartoon look like Safe
Mode.

Can you change the screen resolution and color quality from Control Panel,
Display, Settings tab? If so, do it. If not, you need to reinstall your
video drivers.
_________________

I'm still unable to use my computer except in a very limited

way. It seems all the pages/tabs are resetting. I'm frankly surprised
its letting me type this.

Nothing seems to be working as it should and startup has this play and
plug error that won't go away. Should I reset something in the Bios?


Thoughts/Suggestions,

If all else fails, do a repair install of XP

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dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

 

[dadiOH]

I think what happened is that when I installed the slave hard drive
for some reason it gave me a blank screen so I assumed it didn’t work.
However, the computer keeps going back to that point because it now
recognizes that the hard drive was there, even with it disconnected
(like a ghost image).

Not possible.
_________________

So perhaps what I need to do is put the slave hard drive back in
(which as I understand I did correctly). However, if not, let me know
if I need any jumpers and where to place them (is pins 7-8 on the far
right with 7 on the top?)

Follow the instructions on the page you linked a while back. Assuming that
page was the correct one for your drive. However, if it were me, I'd
resolve the problems with your current C: drive first.
_________________

Also in passing there is no diagram that I can see that everyone
refers to?

The diagram is pressed into the metal on the back of the drive and is
normally quite close to where the jumper pins are. It is small and hard to
see but is there on every drive I have ever seen.
__________________

Since no software appears to be required, can you please
refresh me on the steps needed to install it and bring my computer
back to normal.

1. Turn off computer
2. Insert drive into cage, secure with small bolts.
3. Hook up center connector on data cable to new drive
4. Hook up power connector to new drive
5. Set jumper on new drive as it should be (slave or cable select)
6. Set jumper on old drive as it should be (master or cable select)
Note that there may be other jumper possibilities...it depends upon the
particular drives you have.
7. Boot
8. Assure that the new drive is recognized by the BIOS
9. When in Windows, assure that the new drive is listed in Windows Explorer.
If not, assign it a drive letter via Control Panel, Administrative Tools,
Computer Management, Disk Management
________________

I’ve also considered that it may be a registry problem and that I need
to delete or add something in the registry. I believe I could do that
if given instructions.

Don't mess with it. The problem appears hardware oriented anyway.

Once you get it back to normal, you might want to get, install and use
ERUNT. It is a program that will backup the registry when Windows boots.
You can set it up to keep "X" daily copies (I keep 7) before it starts
overwriting the old ones. You can use it to resore a previous registry.
Handy.
http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/
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I’m just trying to get my computer running back the way it was without
the strange looking desktop -Very grainy with aqua colors , and big
fonts. (Mine was blue, set to Classic). Online pages constantly reset
themselves if I try to even scroll down.

See previous reply from today.

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dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

 

[Navyguy]

what's the model number of the drive - might be able to look it up on the



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It's a Seagate Barrucuda 7200.

Robert

 

[Navyguy]

You have to tap it rapidly after the BIOS POST but before Windows starts
loading to get the Windows boot menu.  Since you are no longer in safe mode,
forget it.
________________


So what happens when you do them?
_______________



Can you change the screen resolution and color quality from Control Panel,
Display, Settings tab?  If so, do it.  If not, you need to reinstall your
video drivers.
_________________

I'm still unable to use my computer except in a very limited




If all else fails, do a repair install of XP

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dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it athttp://mysite.verizon.net/xico

You have to tap it rapidly after the BIOS POST but before Windows starts
loading to get the Windows boot menu. Since you are no longer in safe mode,
forget it.

 I actually don’t know what mode I’m in other thanit not the normal
mode. I refer to it looking like Safe mode not knowing what else to
call to describe it’s unusual look .
 It does change it but it’s still grainy and the selections given
are different than what I had. I did try to correct the screen
resolution problem as you suggested but it’s already set to classis
yet it isn’t what was there. My Classic was med to dark blue with
smaller icons.
__________

So what happens when you do them?

When I strike the F1 key it takes to my web browser, if I strike F2 it
takes me to the Bios. I’ve tried both ways and nothing changes. I keep
getting the same error/pop messages at start-up.

_______________
Can you change the screen resolution and color quality from Control Panel,
Display, Settings tab? If so, do it. If not, you need to reinstall your
video drivers.
_________________




If all else fails, do a repair install of XP

I was afraid you were going to say that.

Robert