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cquirke said:Kurt; you have to learn spin as well as logic, when pursuing your
objectives. As I see it, you are undermining your chance of success.
cquirke, at various times, said:
Kurt responds:
I haven't forgotton that ppl have broken the EULA from day one; my
assertion is that in so doing, they have undermined their position.
And it is my assertion that it's undermines MS case, as they are the ones
that can be proved to have not shown due diligence in legally enforcing
their terms for over two decades, despite knowing that those terms were
being broken.
If they really objected to the EULA (instead of just being
mean-walleted and acting in bad faith) they should have objected to
the EULA, or as you (perhaps unrealistically **) suggest...
All they have to do is break the term. PERIOD. It is then up to MS to sue
them, if they think they can get a judge to agree with them. That's how
contract law works.
"Just like SCO's licensing claims against IBM don't mean a thing until
SCO proves them in court, MS's EULA claims don't mean a damn thing to
me, until they have stood the test of the Due Process of Law."
...or rather, stop *using* them.
Let's not confuse directed and principled advocay/activism with
unethical self-serving behaviour. Those who have done the latter for
years are not in the position to call MS a black pot today.
Nice! It is not unethical or illegal to break contractual terms, in and of
itself. According to SCO, IBM has broken terms of their licence. Just
because SCO claims this doesn't mean a court will uphold their claims. It's
for a court to decide, not the licenser.
If MS wants to prove that it's terms are legally enforcable then they can
sue me, if they don't, then I have every right to continue using my copies
of software in accordance with copyright law.
Follow the logic:
- I object to MS Office pricing, it's too expensive
OK, but it's not the same as not agreeing to an anonymous post-purchase
unsubstantiated "shrink-wrap license" term.
- I could buy a more reasonably-priced competitor instead
- that would:
- improve competition
- grow market share and awareness of alternate products
- improve competitor's resources, and ultimately products
- build familiarity so I can recommend and support alternates
But will it run the hardware & software that you've purchased over the
years? Will you have to re-educate yourself?
- but instead, I pirate MS Office
- that continues to entrench MS's mindshare monopoly...
- ...while doing nothing to boot competition
Now that would be an actual violation of copyright law. And I've never
advocated breaking any law! I want to use my software in accordance with
copyright law, namely "fair use."
Now you tell me; am I an effective activistic against MS product
dominance, or just a whiney weasel?
No, you violated the law. Breaking contractual terms, in and of itself, is
not a violation under the law.
Am I part of the problem, or part
of the solution?
You are a pirate, and I'm an individual exercising my "fair use" rights.
Do my actions favor a future of healthy competition
between viable vendors selling ever-improving products at fair prices,
or intrusive behaviour by dominant corporations who claim their
heavy-handedness has been made necessary by my actions?
"Fair Use" is not piracy. Please prove otherwise.
You've just told me that if MS expects users to keep their side of a
EULA, they should compell them to do so. What sort of "due
dilligence" would you recommend MS apply here? Technological trickery
such as WPA, or a BSA-backed witch-hunt? Call-home behaviour embedded
within their software, that triggers a DoS death-strike through a hole
left open in the OS for that purpose?
Do it under the Due Process of the Law, not through technological chicanery.
Be VERY careful what you wish for.
I was an active member of the WinXP preview groups, and I announced back
then that I broke MS's One Computer nonsense, and there were plenty of MS
employees reading those groups. I'm still waiting for MS to prove me wrong
by legal means. I am not afraid, as I have the law, and legal precedent on
my side.
No US Court has ever ruled that a "shrink-wrap license" can rewrite an
individual rights to their copies of copyrighted material, and until there
is a law or legal precedent that says that, I have every right to use my
copies of copyrighted computer programs in accordance to copyright law, over
that of MS's EULA unsubstantiated EULA claims. Like IBM, I'll wait for a
court to decide, not the licenser!
** I should clarify why I consider it unrealistic to say "just use
another OS" when it comes to Windows. More so than MS Office, Windows
isn't a stand-alone decision; it's a product required to support
unrelated decisions, such as what applications one is going to use.
It is this, rather than market dominance alone, that leads me to
concur with DoJ's assertion that MS is a monoplist in the OS sector.
Were MS to break the user's right or ability to stay on an existing
version of Windows, a "Poland line" would be crossed. That's why we
watch issues such as patch support for legacy OSs as well as moves to
"all you can eat" rental slavery with particularly sharp eyes.
Consumer Asks: "What are you?"
Market Research: ' What would you like us to be? '
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Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"