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Malke,
I guess I was a bit premature in reporting that your link to Ramesh
solved the problem (I don't think the solution is the *problem*), I now
get a error message stating that it can not work that way, make sure
that user/password is correct, etc.
I used the *control userpassword2* and then tried the *tweakui* and both
get the same error, is there a place that I can go to verify my
password?? I know that I'm using it correctly but I would like to look
it up just to make sure. As you know, I'm described in user accounts as
the Adm/user (my name), I tried one and then the other with same
results, any ideas??

Thanks

RedFox
 
Redfox,

Are you the person who wants to boot straight into Windows rather than
typing a username/password?
 
RedFox8391 said:
Malke,
I guess I was a bit premature in reporting that your link to Ramesh
solved the problem (I don't think the solution is the *problem*), I now
get a error message stating that it can not work that way, make sure
that user/password is correct, etc.
I used the *control userpassword2* and then tried the *tweakui* and both
get the same error, is there a place that I can go to verify my
password?? I know that I'm using it correctly but I would like to look
it up just to make sure. As you know, I'm described in user accounts as
the Adm/user (my name), I tried one and then the other with same
results, any ideas??
Click to expand...

It would have been better to keep your post in the same thread. IIRC,
you wanted to boot directly to the Desktop without entering your
password. Is this correct?

If you are getting an error that the password or username is incorrect,
then the password or username is incorrect. When you set up the
automatic logon, did you use the correct username? Go to the User
Accounts Applet and look at the user name(s). Then go to C:\Documents
and Settings and see what users are listed. Do they match the names in
User Accounts? Very often people will get a machine from HP or Dell with
the default user set up as "Owner" or the like. If you just renamed
"Owner" to "RedFox", then your real user account is "Owner" and not
"RedFox". See where I'm going with this?

So that's your first step - check that you have the correct username
entered in the Automatic Logon.

If the usernames match, then go to the User Accounts applet and change
your password. Write it down. Then go back to the Automatic Logon either
by using TweakUI or control userpasswords2 and put in the new password.


Malke
 
Hello Again RedFox:

Click START
Click RUN
Type 'regedit' (without quotes) & press OK
Navigate to:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsNT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon

Right-click in the right pane & create a new string value 'DefaultUserName'
(without quotes)
Double-click the above key & enter the username you login to Windows with


Right-click in the right pane & create a new string value 'DefaultPassword'
(without quotes)
Double-click the above key & enter the password you login to Windows with

If you logon to a domain then right-click in the right pane & create a new
string value 'DefaultDomainName'
Double-click the above key & enter the domain you logon to

Right-click in the right pane & create a new string value 'AutoAdminLogon'
(without quotes)
Double-click the above key & enter '1' (one (without quotes))

Not sure if you are using 2000 or XP. If Windows 2000 then do this step too:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Right-click in the right pane & create a new string value
'ForceAutoLogon' (without quotes)
Double-click the above key & enter '1' (one (without quotes))

Lastly in the registry:
--------------------

Navigate to:
------------

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\system

Check in the right pane that 'DontDisplayLastUserName' is set to '0' (zero
(without quotes)). If not, double-click it & change to '0' (zero (without
quotes))

Exit the registry editor

The next time you restart Windows you won't be asked for a
username/password.

Note:
-----

1) You are leaving a plain text password in the registry which can be a
security risk
2) Holding down SHIFT whilst booting will bypass it


I hope this helps,
 
Newbie said:
Hello Again RedFox:
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(snip long post filled with registry work)

Before you take a poster on a journey into the registry, you should make
sure that 1) it is really necessary; 2) that there is not a safer way
for an end user to make desired changes.

If you'll read my reply to the poster, you will see that there is
probably a simple explanation for why his attempts to autologon failed.
Until the poster answers that, it is irresponsible to plunge him into
registry editing.


Malke
 
Malke said:
It would have been better to keep your post in the same thread.
Click to expand...

Sorry about that.

IIRC,
you wanted to boot directly to the Desktop without entering your
password. Is this correct?
Click to expand...

Again, you are correct.
If you are getting an error that the password or username is incorrect,
then the password or username is incorrect. When you set up the
automatic logon, did you use the correct username? Go to the User
Accounts Applet and look at the user name(s). Then go to C:\Documents
and Settings and see what users are listed. Do they match the names in
User Accounts? Very often people will get a machine from HP or Dell with
the default user set up as "Owner" or the like. If you just renamed
"Owner" to "RedFox", then your real user account is "Owner" and not
"RedFox". See where I'm going with this?
Click to expand...
Checked names on both User accounts & D&S
User accounts=My name (RedFox), plus Guest (OFF)
D&S=2 Names>>RedFox (Computer Administrator) & Administrator (Adm)
So that's your first step - check that you have the correct username
entered in the Automatic Logon.
Click to expand...

Both names in Logon, Administrator on *top* and RedFox (administrator) next.
If the usernames match, then go to the User Accounts applet and change
your password. Write it down. Then go back to the Automatic Logon either
by using TweakUI or control userpasswords2 and put in the new password.


Malke
Click to expand...

Should I delete Administrator account in *Auto Logon*? or RedFox's??

I do believe that I'm correct on the password (10
alphanumerics//letters&numbers) but would change if you think it necessary?

When I tried to change autologon on the ADM account it took to a
different desktop setup, did the same again to RedFox and got the right
desktop back.

Thanks

RedFox
 
RedFox8391 said:
Checked names on both User accounts & D&S
User accounts=My name (RedFox), plus Guest (OFF)
D&S=2 Names>>RedFox (Computer Administrator) & Administrator (Adm)


Both names in Logon, Administrator on *top* and RedFox (administrator)
next.


Should I delete Administrator account in *Auto Logon*? or RedFox's??

I do believe that I'm correct on the password (10
alphanumerics//letters&numbers) but would change if you think it necessary?

When I tried to change autologon on the ADM account it took to a
different desktop setup, did the same again to RedFox and got the right
desktop back.
Click to expand...

If you had "Administrator" in the autologon box, then that's why it
isn't working for you! You want to automatically logon to the RedFox
account. Also, you can't automatically log on to the built-in
Administrator account in XP Home.

I'm finding your explanation a little tortuous. Let's make this simple, OK?

1. Go to the User Accounts applet and change RedFox's password to
something you like and write it down.

2. Start TweakUI and go to the Autologon part. Put RedFox in for the
username and the new password.

You should now automatically be taken to the RedFox desktop when you
restart the machine.


Malke
 
Malke said:
If you had "Administrator" in the autologon box, then that's why it
isn't working for you! You want to automatically logon to the RedFox
account. Also, you can't automatically log on to the built-in
Administrator account in XP Home.

I'm finding your explanation a little tortuous. Let's make this simple, OK?

1. Go to the User Accounts applet and change RedFox's password to
something you like and write it down.

2. Start TweakUI and go to the Autologon part. Put RedFox in for the
username and the new password.

You should now automatically be taken to the RedFox desktop when you
restart the machine.


Malke
Click to expand...


About my ways of writing and answering, you are not the only one to find
it unorthodox, I'm European and 70 years old, and I think I should write
with as much detail as possible, hence I create more problems for people
that are trying to help me, but enough of that.

Did things your way and **this time**, I'm happy to say that it worked,
tried it 2 times and no problems.

Thanks very much for your patience in helping this old shmuck,

RedFox


PS: I would like to thank Newbie Coder for his help also, I will make
copies of these emails and keep them.
 
RedFox8391 said:
About my ways of writing and answering, you are not the only one to find
it unorthodox, I'm European and 70 years old, and I think I should write
with as much detail as possible, hence I create more problems for people
that are trying to help me, but enough of that.

Did things your way and **this time**, I'm happy to say that it worked,
tried it 2 times and no problems.

Thanks very much for your patience in helping this old shmuck,

RedFox
Click to expand...

Please don't think I was complaining about your writing style; I just
wanted to make sure I was completely understanding you. And you're not
allowed to call yourself names. Just because you don't know this
computer stuff doesn't mean you aren't smart.

I'm very happy that I was able to help you and that things are working
the way you want now. Thanks for taking the time to let me know.


Malke
 
Malke,

The registry is easy.

If you cannot hack going into the registry then ok, but it doesn't mean that
others cannot.

What I wrote is very easy to do. Maybe you have learnt something from my
post.

A few days ago, Rock gave a user a registry key, but only half an answer
too. So, was it safe then for Rock to tell the user just the key?

In the past, I have attached registry keys to my posts or have given the
registry key in the answer as text & told the OP how to create the registry
keys. You then get some lame brain who say don't use registry keys in the
posts & then links them to Kelly's Corner to download the exact registry key
as I have written from memory. Its the jealousy thing all over again. Just
because I know what I am doing... Anyway, how do you know all the registry
keys on Kelly's Corner are 100% ok? You don't, but because its on the
Internet you assume they are ok. I just have the experience & the knowledge
to make them myself instead of doing a Google search to try to find the
answer, but thats the difference between someone who knows what they are
doing & someone they don't

Malke,

Do you also use OE to see these newsgroups? If you did you would see the
subject continuation. Whereas, you have started your own sub thread on this
post & have gone off the line of help.

If you also see from the user's original post what was suggested didn't
work. At least with the way I explained it, it would.

Oh I see you are a MVP. That explains your lack of knowledge now. Best you
look it up in http://www.google.com for the answer as 99% of MVP's do
because they don't know the answer. Don't get me wrong, it's the same in
programming forums, newsgroups too & Herfried is top MVP for Google searches
& no code whatsoever.

See you in other posts, Malke,
 
Newbie said:
Malke,

The registry is easy.
Click to expand...

(snip)

The registry is easy for you and for me, but not for most end users. If
you will read the final results of this thread, you will see that RedFox
was doing a very simple thing incorrectly (no offense to RedFox intended
of course). Making the changes I gave him solved his problem and he
didn't have to take any risks with his registry. I stress the word
"simple" because a simple solution is always preferable to a complex
solution to get the same results. This is true of technical
troubleshooting and it is true of programming.

Giving an end user an unnecessarily complicated path to take when a
straightforward change will do the job is wrong. It is irresponsible. It
is showboating.

We are here to help these people in the best and most appropriate way we
can, not to show off.


Malke
 
Malke said:
(snip)

The registry is easy for you and for me, but not for most end users.
If you will read the final results of this thread, you will see that
RedFox was doing a very simple thing incorrectly (no offense to
RedFox intended of course). Making the changes I gave him solved his
problem and he didn't have to take any risks with his registry. I
stress the word "simple" because a simple solution is always
preferable to a complex solution to get the same results. This is
true of technical troubleshooting and it is true of programming.

Giving an end user an unnecessarily complicated path to take when a
straightforward change will do the job is wrong. It is irresponsible.
It is showboating.

We are here to help these people in the best and most appropriate way
we can, not to show off.


Malke
Click to expand...

Malke, you are a star!
 
I wasn't showboating at all, as you put it.

If the user followed my steps then there was no danger whatsoever. There was
no deletion in my original answer, but double-clicking the correct key to
change the value.

Have you seen any KBase's that Microsoft have done? They do it the same way
as I do? There are many, many, many articles on there that do that. Plus,
you have the resourse kit info that does it the same way too. All they write
in their documents is editing the registry CAN BE dangerous...

Agreed its the original OP who requires the help, but slating me because I
still do something correctly isn't helping. So many helpers in these forums
use tools like MSCONFIG etc to help others. What happens when these tools
weren't available? In MSCONFIG for example unticking a startup item does one
of 2 things; either moves the key to 'run-' or adds a '-' before it.

The other week I was watching a webcast & the person conducting the webcast
said fighting spyware/adware/malware etc with MSCONFIG is like trying to
fight it with both hands tied behind your back. Plus, MSCONFIG misses many
locations. So, just because they don't show up in that tool doesn't mean to
say they aren't there, does it?

Too many people rely on these type tools & have a basic understanding on how
to use them. They also know a few 'buzz words' & have no idea whatsoever.
Here's an example of this in everyday UK life: Look at the PC World adverts
etc. They say Hyperthreading for example, but go into one of there shops &
ask them what it means & they wouldn't have a clue. They are just 'buzz
words' & the incorrect usage of the term maleware that was used the other
day by a few helpers. See? This is incorrect advice & a wrongly used term.

Anyway. Enough said. The OP got his/her result & they are happy. They were
given at least 2 ways to do it. As they say: there is more than one way to
skin a cat.
 
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