Article>>>The Full Horror of Vista!!!!

[Julie Smith]

I think we worked out who the moron is... get lost troll (and go and learn
what a troll is before you call someone one).

 

[Julie Smith]

Its about time someone remembered.

The same was said about XP, to the point where some stayed with Win 2000..
now, with the release of Vista, some choose to forget earlier events
because it weakens their argument against Vista..

I have no conclusion on performance - faster or slowness, as it indeed
varies on too many factors. Even on compatibility issue, I have no
verdict because limited samples available to myself, as compared to the
unknown numbers of hardware and software in the world.

[...]dozens of things that are annoyingly different without being a
functional improvement, [...]

That actually is one of few major problems that I have with Vista.

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2007/05/14.9.shtml

A company that took its time, did everything right, and migrated to
Vista recounted the full horror of the experience. According to their
account, company employees found Vista to be slow, Explorer to be
problematic, and other quirks that left them less than satisfied.

The Transit company took the optimal path. They waited for the typical
new release bugs to be worked out. They purchased a new PC from a major
vendor, Lenovo, that had Vista pre-installed in order to avoid upgrade
nightmares. Finally, they kept the installed software on the computer at
a minimum to avoid complications.

The verdict? "...we've found nothing that works better than in Windows
XP, dozens of things that are annoyingly different without being a
functional improvement, and several things that work at best
intermittently and at worst not at all. On the whole, we wish we'd never
moved," Angus Kidman said in a Blog report carried by ITWire.

The first observation was that Vista was "hideously slow" even on a new
Vista certified PC with twice the RAM and a faster processor. Boot times
were longer than the predecesor. The connection to the Linksys router
failed, and heroic support from Microsoft failed to resolve the problem.
"...if you can't get basic IP working in 2007, something pretty
fundamental is going wrong," Mr. Kidman wrote.

Another irritating problem related to using a local file as an HTML home
page. Mr. Kidman reported that this was hopeless effort with Vista,
"...since Internet Explorer insists on launching any page in a new
window because of a security restriction. As such, Vista has managed to
convince us to ditch Internet Explorer after nine years and switch to
Firefox, which doesn't indulge in such ridiculous behaviour, and seems
to run faster as well."

Finally, out of curiosity, Microsoft's Vista Upgrade Advisor was run. It
reported that the computer didn't have enough drive space, even though
Vista was preinstalled. And then it reported that the display and sound
card "weren't certified for Vista. The third thing it told us was that
none of the Lenovo utilities on the machine were Vista-ready. So much
for certification."

The bottom line was Microsoft should have worked harder to make Vista,
"a dog," a bigger advance over Windows XP/SP2.

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Adam Albright]

Only an idiot like you would bother to post an article from the
"macobserver", (an unbiased opinion right?) about one laptop computer
that came with Vista (we don't know which version of Vista) that one
company bought and was not impressed with its performance.
Of course, that's MS's fault right? Or did you ever in your little pea
brain stop to think it might be the vendors fault for not including
updated hardware?
Moron!
Frank

Frank... check your mailbox. Your "I'm a village idiot" certificate
should be arriving any day.

 

[Frank]

I think we worked out who the moron is... get lost troll (and go and learn
what a troll is before you call someone one).

Good call Julie!
Frank

 

[Doris Day - MFB]

Frank... check your mailbox. Your "I'm a village idiot" certificate
should be arriving any day.

ROFL!!! Very good Madame Allbright.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Doris Day - MFB]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that your machines were the ONLY ones that
mattered... get lost troll.

Sweetheart, you give us girls a bad name when you can't argue a point.
Calling someone a troll isn't arguing, it's name calling. Just some advice
there honeybuns.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Doris Day - MFB]

The same was said about XP, to the point where some stayed with Win 2000..
now, with the release of Vista, some choose to forget earlier events
because it weakens their argument against Vista..

All your statement suggests is that Microsoft has been selling crapware for
a long time now and still not getting it right.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Doris Day - MFB]

I love dogs too....

This one seems to be some freak genetic experiment to merge the dogs dna
with that of a snail a hippo
and implant a retarded jellyfish brain.

It almost sounds like you're describing Dr. Frank and his sidekick,
Julian.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Mike Hall MVP]

Most home users had Win 98, as did a few small business'.. Win 2000 was too
expensive, and there was too much enforced security for the average user..

The Win 2000 SP2 update was a disaster, and almost destroyed WIn 2000
credibility, but it recovered in time, and made it as far as SP4..

XP, while not much different to Win 2000, defaulting to less security but
the option to lock it down as with Win 2000, was hated by the Win 98 users..
Nothing was the same, and the Fischer Price front end had many critics.. but
all of the people that I turned from Win 98 to XP have never looked back,
and I have had far less return calls from the clients.. some of them had to
upgrade hardware, and others bought new machines, but all had a way more
peaceful Windows experience than ever before..

Even so, a year ago, there were still posts in the XP newsgroups that stated
Win 98 as being the best OS ever, that XP was bloated crap.. so what has
changed in XP since middle of last year? Nothing at all, except that a new
target has emerged for the naysayers and trolls..

Yes, history is an indication but not always, as circumstances may not
exactly the same.

For one, I never had or said the same for XP or earlier versions and none
of around me had the same feelings.

I did do some researches (as my memory isn't that good) when I read a few
times about "some people said the same thing about previous Windows".
Well, it's true that some articles published at that time did reflect to
the same tone, but not all of them. Many did compliment XP and 2K but now
criticizing Vista.

So true, some naysayers may have been doing this all along, but not all
current naysayers are falling into the same group.

It's up to the company whether or not to open its mind.

This is the first MS OS that I have not wanted in my (our) systems since
Windows 1.x. Honestly speaking, it was not an easy and pleasant decision.

The same was said about XP, to the point where some stayed with Win
2000.. now, with the release of Vista, some choose to forget earlier
events because it weakens their argument against Vista..

I have no conclusion on performance - faster or slowness, as it indeed
varies on too many factors. Even on compatibility issue, I have no
verdict because limited samples available to myself, as compared to the
unknown numbers of hardware and software in the world.

On the other hand, I do think an objective person with reasonable
knowledge of computer usability will tend to agree:

[...]dozens of things that are annoyingly different without being a
functional improvement, [...]

That actually is one of few major problems that I have with Vista.



http://www.macobserver.com/article/2007/05/14.9.shtml

A company that took its time, did everything right, and migrated to
Vista recounted the full horror of the experience. According to their
account, company employees found Vista to be slow, Explorer to be
problematic, and other quirks that left them less than satisfied.

The Transit company took the optimal path. They waited for the typical
new release bugs to be worked out. They purchased a new PC from a major
vendor, Lenovo, that had Vista pre-installed in order to avoid upgrade
nightmares. Finally, they kept the installed software on the computer
at a minimum to avoid complications.

The verdict? "...we've found nothing that works better than in Windows
XP, dozens of things that are annoyingly different without being a
functional improvement, and several things that work at best
intermittently and at worst not at all. On the whole, we wish we'd
never moved," Angus Kidman said in a Blog report carried by ITWire.

The first observation was that Vista was "hideously slow" even on a new
Vista certified PC with twice the RAM and a faster processor. Boot
times were longer than the predecesor. The connection to the Linksys
router failed, and heroic support from Microsoft failed to resolve the
problem. "...if you can't get basic IP working in 2007, something
pretty fundamental is going wrong," Mr. Kidman wrote.

Another irritating problem related to using a local file as an HTML
home page. Mr. Kidman reported that this was hopeless effort with
Vista, "...since Internet Explorer insists on launching any page in a
new window because of a security restriction. As such, Vista has
managed to convince us to ditch Internet Explorer after nine years and
switch to Firefox, which doesn't indulge in such ridiculous behaviour,
and seems to run faster as well."

Finally, out of curiosity, Microsoft's Vista Upgrade Advisor was run.
It reported that the computer didn't have enough drive space, even
though Vista was preinstalled. And then it reported that the display
and sound card "weren't certified for Vista. The third thing it told us
was that none of the Lenovo utilities on the machine were Vista-ready.
So much for certification."

The bottom line was Microsoft should have worked harder to make Vista,
"a dog," a bigger advance over Windows XP/SP2.

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Julie Smith]

I didn't realise that this was a newsgroup where we sit here and argue... I
guess i'm wrong. I thought this is where we come to ask questions for
support.

Trolls are those that come on here and want to start arguing (ie. idiots
like tiberius).

I don't argue the point... because he's already biased and nothing anyone
says will convince him otherwise...

I wonder where alias is... he's usually marketing ubuntu by now...

 

[Frank]

I love dogs too....

--------------------------

Hey, don't look now but I think Doris the-cross-dresser is trying to get
your attention.
You two could make a lovely couple.
He's and bald headed fat old man who like to dress like Doris Day.
Whereas you are Greek malakas who likes to...well...we won't go there
(but he will).
Who knows...could be a match made in....
Good luck to the both of you.
Frank

 

[Julian]

I didn't realise that this was a newsgroup where we sit here and argue... I
guess i'm wrong. I thought this is where we come to ask questions for
support.

Trolls are those that come on here and want to start arguing (ie. idiots
like tiberius).

I don't argue the point... because he's already biased and nothing anyone
says will convince him otherwise...

I wonder where alias is... he's usually marketing ubuntu by now...

Jail?

 

[Frank]

Julie Smith wrote:

I wonder where alias is... he's usually marketing ubuntu by now...

Uuhhhh...I think he's trying to get a date with Doris the-cross-dresser
(another urbuttoo pusher) but I think he's in competition with Tiberius.
We could see a menage...cover the children's eyes!
Frank

 

[Doris Day - MFB]

Julie Smith wrote:



Uuhhhh...I think he's trying to get a date with Doris the-cross-dresser
(another urbuttoo pusher) but I think he's in competition with Tiberius.
We could see a menage...cover the children's eyes!
Frank

Do you always look up ladies' skirts Dr. Frank? Not only are you stupid,
you're also a pervert. <snort>

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Doris Day - MFB]

--------------------------

Hey, don't look now but I think Doris the-cross-dresser is trying to get
your attention.
You two could make a lovely couple.
He's and bald headed fat old man who like to dress like Doris Day.
Whereas you are Greek malakas who likes to...well...we won't go there
(but he will).
Who knows...could be a match made in....
Good luck to the both of you.
Frank

Still posting with that damn OPEN SOURCE mail client I see. Dr. Frank, you
must have a split personality. Do you beat yourself at the end of the day
because you use Mozilla over Outlook "Express"? Oh the shame, the shame of
it all. <snort>

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[NotMe]

I likes the improvements made in W95 over W3.XX.
I could see the difference when W98 was released and SE.
Even ME was OK when properly implemnented.
I never did complain much about XP.
Each time, I could see/feel the improvements.
But I did turn off the Fisher Price front end in XP and have done the same
in Vista.

It's like walking into a car dealership & finding out they reversed the
brake & gas pedals on the new models.
When the salesman tells you to 'get used to it', are you buying it anyway
because it's "new" or are you going to buy something else?
All my machines were updated to XP within 90 days of release because I could
see the benefits.
I just haven't found anything in Vista that is, in my eyes, a real
improvement to useability.

And no, I don't have a GED, just a couple diplomas on the way to my MS in
Mathematics.

 

[xfile]

Hi,

I do understand what are you saying, and I won't deny anything about it.

We are in a mass market and we have all kinds of people, and I (had been a
lead corporate reengineering consultant for many years) can understand some
people would resist to the changes, but then again, not all changes are deem
necessary and will lead to positive results. In any case, that's what
balance is all about.

So if people are discussing issues using extreme examples, they would never
reach to agreements as there are always extreme examples for everything. I
am not saying we are but that's what we can see in here and everywhere in
our life.

The point that I was trying to make is that not all critics are trolls and
some of them are very true if we are willing to see it.

In addition, at least I don't think this company should bear all
responsibilities for security issues and everyone involved including users,
application developers, governments, and so on should also share part of the
responsibilities. And other OSes are yet to be attacked, and it's just a
matter of when.

But in any case, they could have done it in a much better way and would have
used resources more effectively, such as partnership with security suite
companies instead of providing its own solutions to compete against existing
ones, and the implementations in Vista is rather disappointed.

And I do respect everyone will reach to different conclusions; I'm only
speaking for myself.

Most home users had Win 98, as did a few small business'.. Win 2000 was
too expensive, and there was too much enforced security for the average
user..

The Win 2000 SP2 update was a disaster, and almost destroyed WIn 2000
credibility, but it recovered in time, and made it as far as SP4..

XP, while not much different to Win 2000, defaulting to less security but
the option to lock it down as with Win 2000, was hated by the Win 98
users.. Nothing was the same, and the Fischer Price front end had many
critics.. but all of the people that I turned from Win 98 to XP have never
looked back, and I have had far less return calls from the clients.. some
of them had to upgrade hardware, and others bought new machines, but all
had a way more peaceful Windows experience than ever before..

Even so, a year ago, there were still posts in the XP newsgroups that
stated Win 98 as being the best OS ever, that XP was bloated crap.. so
what has changed in XP since middle of last year? Nothing at all, except
that a new target has emerged for the naysayers and trolls..

Yes, history is an indication but not always, as circumstances may not
exactly the same.

For one, I never had or said the same for XP or earlier versions and none
of around me had the same feelings.

I did do some researches (as my memory isn't that good) when I read a few
times about "some people said the same thing about previous Windows".
Well, it's true that some articles published at that time did reflect to
the same tone, but not all of them. Many did compliment XP and 2K but
now criticizing Vista.

So true, some naysayers may have been doing this all along, but not all
current naysayers are falling into the same group.

It's up to the company whether or not to open its mind.

This is the first MS OS that I have not wanted in my (our) systems since
Windows 1.x. Honestly speaking, it was not an easy and pleasant
decision.

The same was said about XP, to the point where some stayed with Win
2000.. now, with the release of Vista, some choose to forget earlier
events because it weakens their argument against Vista..


I have no conclusion on performance - faster or slowness, as it indeed
varies on too many factors. Even on compatibility issue, I have no
verdict because limited samples available to myself, as compared to the
unknown numbers of hardware and software in the world.

On the other hand, I do think an objective person with reasonable
knowledge of computer usability will tend to agree:

[...]dozens of things that are annoyingly different without being a
functional improvement, [...]

That actually is one of few major problems that I have with Vista.



http://www.macobserver.com/article/2007/05/14.9.shtml

A company that took its time, did everything right, and migrated to
Vista recounted the full horror of the experience. According to their
account, company employees found Vista to be slow, Explorer to be
problematic, and other quirks that left them less than satisfied.

The Transit company took the optimal path. They waited for the typical
new release bugs to be worked out. They purchased a new PC from a
major vendor, Lenovo, that had Vista pre-installed in order to avoid
upgrade nightmares. Finally, they kept the installed software on the
computer at a minimum to avoid complications.

The verdict? "...we've found nothing that works better than in Windows
XP, dozens of things that are annoyingly different without being a
functional improvement, and several things that work at best
intermittently and at worst not at all. On the whole, we wish we'd
never moved," Angus Kidman said in a Blog report carried by ITWire.

The first observation was that Vista was "hideously slow" even on a
new Vista certified PC with twice the RAM and a faster processor. Boot
times were longer than the predecesor. The connection to the Linksys
router failed, and heroic support from Microsoft failed to resolve the
problem. "...if you can't get basic IP working in 2007, something
pretty fundamental is going wrong," Mr. Kidman wrote.

Another irritating problem related to using a local file as an HTML
home page. Mr. Kidman reported that this was hopeless effort with
Vista, "...since Internet Explorer insists on launching any page in a
new window because of a security restriction. As such, Vista has
managed to convince us to ditch Internet Explorer after nine years and
switch to Firefox, which doesn't indulge in such ridiculous behaviour,
and seems to run faster as well."

Finally, out of curiosity, Microsoft's Vista Upgrade Advisor was run.
It reported that the computer didn't have enough drive space, even
though Vista was preinstalled. And then it reported that the display
and sound card "weren't certified for Vista. The third thing it told
us was that none of the Lenovo utilities on the machine were
Vista-ready. So much for certification."

The bottom line was Microsoft should have worked harder to make Vista,
"a dog," a bigger advance over Windows XP/SP2.





--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Frank]

Frank wrote:




Do you always look up ladies' skirts Dr. Frank? Not only are you stupid,
you're also a pervert. <snort>

Love and Kisses,
Doris

Sorry Doris, linux loser.
But I'm not a cross-dressing bald headed fat fart of an old gizzer like you.
But hey, that's your problem, not mine.
(snort)
Frank

 

[Doris Day - MFB]

Sorry Doris, linux loser.
But I'm not a cross-dressing bald headed fat fart of an old gizzer like
you. But hey, that's your problem, not mine.
(snort)
Frank

Frankie Dear,

Stop being so *delusional*.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder

<snort>

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Frank]

ROFL!!! Very good Madame Allbright.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

Lonely? Out fishing?
Frank