APC UPS

J

jeff

I just purchased a new APC UPS and have installed the included
Powerchute software on the server; there are two additional clients
powered by this UPS.

When power is interrupted, I'd like to have the server send a hibernate
command to the clients before it hibernates itself.

Unfortunately, the APC software has no provision for this, no doubt
hoping to sell more units.

Has anyone found a solution?
 
D

David Vair

Did you install the Agent software on the clients?
I am not sure if Hibernation is an option.
 
J

jeff

David said:
Did you install the Agent software on the clients?
I am not sure if Hibernation is an option.

What is the Agent software?
The included CD has no option for this.

Thanks for replying.
 
D

David Vair

jeff said:
What is the Agent software?
The included CD has no option for this.

Thanks for replying.
You put the software CD that came with the UPS in the machines that are attached to the UPS, not
just plugged in but attached by the serial cable. The CD will have different options to install,
you need the agent software running on machines that you want to have the power controlled from the
main server. Check the APC site for updated program. Then from the machine running the console you
should see the agent machines.
 
L

Leythos

I just purchased a new APC UPS and have installed the included
Powerchute software on the server; there are two additional clients
powered by this UPS.

When power is interrupted, I'd like to have the server send a hibernate
command to the clients before it hibernates itself.

Unfortunately, the APC software has no provision for this, no doubt
hoping to sell more units.

Has anyone found a solution?

You did not purchase a BUSINESS/SERVER class UPS if you did not get the
proper software or you did not purchase what you thought you were
purchasing.

Many Dual server UPS units come with software that permits monitoring of
a use via IP or via secondary serial connection, they also have the
ability to run commands before shutdown - so you could issue a shutdown
command to another PC/Server as the process started.

Call APC and ask them what you need.
 
J

jeff

David said:
You put the software CD that came with the UPS in the machines that are attached to the UPS, not
just plugged in but attached by the serial cable. The CD will have different options to install,
you need the agent software running on machines that you want to have the power controlled from the
main server. Check the APC site for updated program. Then from the machine running the console you
should see the agent machines.

Sorry if I'm being obtuse--

I bought an APC Back-UPS RS 900, which came with an APC PowerChute
Personal Edition CD.

I have the UPS communicating via USB cable to a WIn 2003 Server.
I have two client PC's powered by the UPS as well.

I have a batch script that will send a hibernate command to all
clients, which works, but I need to have a trigger to launch it. There
is no provision in the PowerChute software to allow launching external
events upon a "power out" condition.

All I'm looking for is a way to detect that "power out" condition on
the server, so that I can then execute a batch file.

I don't care if APC's software is not up to the task; I'm open to any
solution.
Thanks.
 
L

Leythos

I bought an APC Back-UPS RS 900, which came with an APC PowerChute
Personal Edition CD.

Key word - PERSONAL in the Edition.

If you want more functionality you need different software.
 
R

Richard Urban

Yes. The APC website is what you want. There are many downloads available.
Some are free, others you have to buy. The software you need will likely not
work with your UPS. There "are" UPS systems made for multiple computers -
cost thousands instead of hundreds.

You get what you pay for.

--
Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
L

Leythos

OK.
Any suggestions???

Two:

1) Get a proper Usenet aware client to interface with Usenet (as yours
does not properly snip properly formed signature lines)

2) Contact APC, they will know what works with your UPS.

Actually, another one:

3) Always research the product before you purchase it.
 
J

jeff

Leythos said:
Two:

1) Get a proper Usenet aware client to interface with Usenet (as yours
does not properly snip properly formed signature lines)

2) Contact APC, they will know what works with your UPS.

Actually, another one:

3) Always research the product before you purchase it.


Sorry, but I refuse to accept this.
Are you seriously telling me that I must pay hundreds/thousands for
such a simple solution?

Evidently there is no solution readily available, but I can't believe
that I'm the only one seeking this.

And to you all-

What is this?

"If you can't buy it, it doesn't exist"?


There are many ways to skin a cat.
The product is NOT the problem!

It is the "power down" signal I need to trap.
I'll find an answer to this and report back, while I think outside the
box.
 
R

Richard Urban

Jeff,

People have been hooking up batteries with DC to AC converters to their
computers for over 20 years.

Others have already thought outside the box, and designed - and sell - the
hardware necessary to do what you need. It's called a server UPS system and
can handle from a few computers to computer farms. That's how the phones
stay up during a power outage.

I heartedly suggest you get the necessary hardware (and associated
software), instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.

Of course, if you are just viewing this as a personal challenge, have at it.

--
Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
M

mikeyhsd

if all computers are plugged into the usp, just install the software on each.



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I just purchased a new APC UPS and have installed the included
Powerchute software on the server; there are two additional clients
powered by this UPS.

When power is interrupted, I'd like to have the server send a hibernate
command to the clients before it hibernates itself.

Unfortunately, the APC software has no provision for this, no doubt
hoping to sell more units.

Has anyone found a solution?
 
D

David Vair

They are probably not all communicating with the UPS as its a personal one with only 1 communication port. Just plugging in the electrical doesn't make the computer aware that its hooked to an UPS.
--
Dave Vair
CNE, CNA, MCP, A+, N+

if all computers are plugged into the usp, just install the software on each.



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I just purchased a new APC UPS and have installed the included
Powerchute software on the server; there are two additional clients
powered by this UPS.

When power is interrupted, I'd like to have the server send a hibernate
command to the clients before it hibernates itself.

Unfortunately, the APC software has no provision for this, no doubt
hoping to sell more units.

Has anyone found a solution?
 
L

Leythos

Sorry, but I refuse to accept this.
Are you seriously telling me that I must pay hundreds/thousands for
such a simple solution?

No, but you didn't look at what you were doing before you made the
purchase. You can easily purchase the software from APC, you could have
purchased a larger UPS that comes with the software for free, you could
have purchased a different vendors software, you could do a lot of
things.
Evidently there is no solution readily available, but I can't believe
that I'm the only one seeking this.

I do not know of a free solution available for the infrastructure you
have stated.

Most of us, when wanting to use a UPS with more than one computer, check
to see if the UPS we're purchasing comes with multiple interfaces,
checks to see if the software offers remote shutdown service, etc...
It's how good technicians get the job done properly.
And to you all-

What is this?

"If you can't buy it, it doesn't exist"?

No, you could roll your own, but it's not worth the cost/time, as time
is not free. If you had done even a little research about multiple
devices on a UPS, even read the APC site, or called APC, you would have
already known that there is no free way, to do this (as time and parts
actually cost).
There are many ways to skin a cat.
The product is NOT the problem!

It is the "power down" signal I need to trap.

The device has either a USB or Serial connection, while you can build a
interface for it, APC already has one you can add-on, and they even have
software you can purchase as an upgrade that will do what you want.
I'll find an answer to this and report back, while I think outside the
box.

We were thinking outside the box before you learned about the Internet
and way before you learned about UPS systems, the difference is most of
us know when to use a quality solution provided by someone else instead
of ranting about it not doing something it was not spec'd to do.
 
J

jeff

I have no intention of arguing with you.

APC doesn't provide a clear solution, since they want to sell more
product.
You don't provide any solution, since you have no creative input,
except to answer to what's commercially available.

Oh, and by the way.

That reference to "learning about the internet".
You haven't a clue.

A viable solution already exists, albeit not with APC; a simple script
to monitor the USB port's change of state provides the necessary input
to launch a secondary event.

I'll post here when perfected.
 
L

Leythos

I have no intention of arguing with you.

APC doesn't provide a clear solution, since they want to sell more
product.

Yes, they do provide clear solutions, you just don't want to pay for
them.
You don't provide any solution, since you have no creative input,
except to answer to what's commercially available.

On the contrary, I provided a viable solution, but you're too cheap to
use it.
Oh, and by the way.

That reference to "learning about the internet".
You haven't a clue.

I was coding device drivers before you even got your first computer
sonny.
A viable solution already exists, albeit not with APC; a simple script
to monitor the USB port's change of state provides the necessary input
to launch a secondary event.

I'll post here when perfected.

Which may or may not work based on the model of UPS that you use it
with, and may or may not work with any given system.
 
J

jeff

Leythos said:
Yes, they do provide clear solutions, you just don't want to pay for
them.


On the contrary, I provided a viable solution, but you're too cheap to
use it.


I was coding device drivers before you even got your first computer
sonny.


Which may or may not work based on the model of UPS that you use it
with, and may or may not work with any given system.

Interesting that with all your self-proclaimed expertise and knowledge,
you still provide no solution.
Code an interrupt to the UPS's notification of "power out" status to
execute an external event, if you're so erudite.
Otherwise, you're just a salesman.
 
L

Leythos

Interesting that with all your self-proclaimed expertise and knowledge,
you still provide no solution.
Code an interrupt to the UPS's notification of "power out" status to
execute an external event, if you're so erudite.
Otherwise, you're just a salesman.

Or I could be smart enough to know that time is worth something, and
smart enough to buy the proper solution to start with.

It will be interesting to see what you come up with and how much time it
takes you - unlike you, my time has value.
 
J

Jeff Barnett

jeff said:
I just purchased a new APC UPS and have installed the included
Powerchute software on the server; there are two additional clients
powered by this UPS.

When power is interrupted, I'd like to have the server send a hibernate
command to the clients before it hibernates itself.

Unfortunately, the APC software has no provision for this, no doubt
hoping to sell more units.

Has anyone found a solution?
I believe that the Belkin UPS provide what you want. However, the APC
home additions do not.

-- Jeff Barnett
 

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