All is CONFIRMED

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Saucy

I eat vista said:
Install XP .. switch active partitions .. install Vista .. switch active
partion back .. bootpart [free]. Voila! No problems what so ever.

can you explain this in detail?

You can switch active partions with 3rd party programs.. but explain how
this helps the restore points not getting erased..

thanx


Saucy said:
INLINE:


I eat vista said:
I am very happy to say that things I have been saying over the past 1
year
are all confirmed. Of course I am sad to see that I had to say all these
things in the first place.
Vista should have been better, then no need for criticism and rejection
would exist.


Sure sure.

- Vista is far slower than XP


Huh? not here. About the same for regular apps.

- Vista search is horrid, slow, gets corrupted and thrashes the disk.
The
service should be turned off. It doesnt work.


'Can't comment. I know where to find my stuff so ..

- The vista start menu design is extremely bad, with menus that collapse
upon itself.


I like it.

- Vista is unstable and incompatible with no great reason since it is NT
kernel.


Stable and compatible here. To be honest my cheap Logitech Webcam would
only work with Beta drivers and *Logitech* decided to drop support. I use
a much better camera now so it doesn't matter. All else works A1.

- Vista is not user friendly, creating frustration to the simple user


Wrong. It's very good that way.

- Readyboost is a gimmick that helps only a small percentage of
machines.


I've read that it has less of an impact the more RAM one has. As my
machine has over 1GB I don't really need it.

Its more of a crutch to help vista pull its own obese weight. Many have
reported a NEGATIVE result when trying it on machines with much ram.


Poor quality stick. One needs to use a stick that's quick, of course ..
duh.

- Vista is not compatible with XP when in dual boot, since its restore
format conflicts with XP and XP detects it and erases it. Clearly a
vista
problem since the vista designers should have taken this into account.


Install XP .. switch active partitions .. install Vista .. switch active
partion back .. bootpart [free]. Voila! No problems what so ever.

-The colors and fonts and general design of the theme makes it hard to
see
the information presented. Numerous people have complained about this
with
good cause.


Adjust it. Some people perfer 120dpi than the default 96. It's right
there in 'Personalization" if you cared to look before mouthing off.

- The SPEECH to Text function is a joke. It doesnt work!


'Can't comment yet .. I still use a mouse.

- Vistas "better memory management" is a myth. By loading vast amount of
data on to the ram and therefore "using it all" there is no significant
improvement in performance compared to XP. In fact XP wins hands down on
almost all comparisons.


[clearing my throat] Sure sure. Vista does a better job at scheduling the
processor, memory management etc. etc. and the code is from the Server
2003 fork. So please ..

- The fast vista boot is also a myth. Systems with lots of programs
installed,
start just as slow as XP


ZZZzzzzz Boots just fine here, particularly my laptop. 50-53 seconds to
stable desktop [no hour glasses] on an ordinary laptop and that's
including the selecting of an account and entering a password.

- The "Branded sounds" in Vista was a stupid thing that users don't like
and
are looking for ways to change.


Oh, please. If the user wants to use other sounds it's right there.

- Windows Mail uses EML format and that creates thousands upon thousands
of
files when you have lots of emails, the result is slower loading of
windows
mail and very bad performance.


Works quite well with newsgroups and there's thousands of headers and
hundreds of bodies in those files.

- The simplified vista DEFRAGMENT with no visual feedback is slower, and
most people absolutely hate it. A clear degrade from XP's defrag. The
result
is people searching for third party solutions


The general purpose defragger will keep the disks healthy and performing
well .. it's designed as a behinds the scenes utility i.e. no particular
need for visual feedback .. set it and forget it. Third party programs
are good too as they provide real enhancements that some users might
want.

-Copying and moving files in vista is a joke.. even deleting small files
takes up to much time.


Bull. It's fast. I'm copying gigabytes worth all the time and it works
very well.

-Network speed is horrendous


No. It's as fast or faster.

-People hate the internet explorer 7 toolbar that cannot be configured.


Absolutely wrong. The tool bar is configurable.

-SP1 will not save vista, its bad design is so well integrated that
nothing
can save it.


Sinners need salvation. Successful money making operating systems such
as Windows Vista don't need to be "saved".

-Windows vista is over-all comparably the worse OS Microsoft has ever
made..
even worse that windows Me.


Bull. Windows Me had its with upgrades. Funnily enough, with a clean
install on the right hardware it was almost as stable as NT. But this
fact was usually overlooked by its critics.

-The cost of use of vista (in time, labor and upgrade expenses) is more
than anything ever seen before.


Windows Basic can upgrade the older hardware (one does need 512-1024MB
RAM). For all the eye-candy, yes one will need WDDM video. But what's a
RAM upgrade? I've done so many ..

-People who really like vista are stupid. No one who has above average
intelligence could actually think vista is a good OS. Sorry guys.


You should be sorry, it's a strange statement.

Over all vista has a "not finished" badly designed, amateur, and stupid
feeling to it that frustrates the common user. So much that people have
shot vista computers with guns!


Cute, but the guy who did that probably had issues. First off, what's a
handgun doing outside of lock and key?

I have more.. I might add with later posts...


It's OK if you don't bother .. really.

Saucy


It keeps the two separate. Each is installed on a true C: drive as the
active partition on the primary drive is always set to C:\. When you switch
the active partition to another primary partition on the same drive .. the
second OS thinks it is on the true C:\ drive. So all goes well.

The bootpart utility is a very handy little thing that lets you install each
on it's own C:\ drive and enables you to add each OS to the boot.ini list.
So the Vista BCDs and the like doesn't take over from XP's NTLDR or
what-have-you. They are kept separate. With bootpart, the boot.ini is
pointed to a tiny file that points to the other OS's bootloader. They are
kept separate - one doesn't replace the other as what would usually happen.
In so doing, the two OS can reside on the same harddrive .. each thinks it
is C: .. and you can arrange it so they completely avoid each other i.e.
avoid problems with the System Restore.

Saucy

When you go to do your system restore thingies, just have each do its own
C:\ drive and avoid the other's C:\ drive and voila.
 
G

Guest

Indeed, The Only Problem That I Have Found So Far With The Windows Server
2008 June CTP, Is That Microsoft Money 2008 Does Not Work On It, After It's
Successfully Installed On It, Just FYI. Otherwise, I Have Had No Major
Problems To Report With It, And Most Windows Vista 32 Bit Driver's Work Just
Fine On 32 Bit Windows Server 2008 June CTP, Just FYI.
 
F

Frank

Stephan said:
Actually it is a Vista problem. XP already existed, so why doesn't Vista
create it's restore points in such a way that XP doesn't get confused by
them and delete them?

XP can't look in the future and know Vista exists so it can't take
changes in Vista into account.

Vista however was created after XP so it shouldn't be creating restore
points in such a way that it causes XP to delete them. It isn't causing
problems with XP..it's ultimately causing problems with Vista, making it
a Vista problem.

It's an XP problem:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185

...."This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is
included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server "Longhorn" uses disk
structures that are incompatible with earlier versions of Windows.
Therefore, the earlier operating system deletes Windows Vista shadow
copies or Windows Server "Longhorn" shadow copies together with the
associated restore points. This behavior occurs because the earlier
Windows operating systems do not recognize the new disk structures."

Proly be fixed by XP SP3.
Frank
 
G

Guest

P.S. I Was Also Successful At Installing And Using Zone Alarm 7.1 Free
Edition On 32 Bit Windows Server 2008 June CTP As Well, Just FYI.
 
B

Bill Yanaire

Wow, you were successful at installing and using Zone Alarm 7.1. How did
you do it? Inquiring minds want to know. Just FYI. Aren't you an Ubuntu
evangalist now? Just FYI.

What happened to Windows 2008 Server? I thought you were very very upset
with Microsoft and had a tantrum. Just FYI.
 
B

Bill Yanaire

I thought Windows 2008 server was your answer to Vista? Just FYI. Is there
problems in server land? Just FYI. Isn't Windows 2008 Server the BEST
choice for desktop? Just FYI.

Come on Mr. Answerman, give us the information. Just FYI
 
S

Stephan Rose

It's an XP problem:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185

..."This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is
included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server "Longhorn" uses disk
structures that are incompatible with earlier versions of Windows.
Therefore, the earlier operating system deletes Windows Vista shadow
copies or Windows Server "Longhorn" shadow copies together with the
associated restore points. This behavior occurs because the earlier
Windows operating systems do not recognize the new disk structures."

Proly be fixed by XP SP3.

Sure a fix can be applied to XP, but ultimately what XP is doing is only
causing issues in Vista. XP is unaffected by it.

That said, I honestly don't get how MS can implement something in a way
that they know XP will destroy. And nobody can tell me they didn't know.
That is why I say it's a problem with Vista. If one knows there's going
to be a problem, why not implement it in a way that it doesn't cause a
problem?


--
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Michel Doucet

Le Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:00:38 -0700, Bill Yanaire ("Bill Yanaire"
Aren't you an Ubuntu
evangalist now? Just FYI.

Just for your information: Linux and more speciallt Ubuntu is far above
the Vista OS ... FYI
 
B

Bill Yanaire

Michel Doucet said:
Le Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:00:38 -0700, Bill Yanaire ("Bill Yanaire"


Just for your information: Linux and more speciallt Ubuntu is far above
the Vista OS ... FYI

What? R U on drugs or somethin? Ubuntu is far above Vista? Oh, I get
it, you are at the store and Ubuntu is is far above Vista on the shelf! My
suggestion is to ask one of the associates to bring a ladder over and grab
the Ubuntu off that top shelf. Hurry home, wipe your system clean of Vista
because it's crap according to you and install Ubuntu. When finished, start
hanging around the Ubuntu forum from now on.
 
M

Michel Doucet

Le Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:21:10 -0700, Bill Yanaire ("Bill Yanaire"
What? R U on drugs or somethin? Ubuntu is far above Vista? Oh, I
get it, you are at the store and Ubuntu is is far above Vista on the
shelf! My suggestion is to ask one of the associates to bring a ladder
over and grab the Ubuntu off that top shelf. Hurry home, wipe your
system clean of Vista because it's crap according to you and install
Ubuntu. When finished, start hanging around the Ubuntu forum from now
on.

Are you paid by Bill ? Your earnings will decrease for sure after
Microsof has paid European Community ! 500,000,000 ¤ ....
 
B

Bill Yanaire

Michel Doucet said:
Le Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:21:10 -0700, Bill Yanaire ("Bill Yanaire"


Are you paid by Bill ? Your earnings will decrease for sure after
Microsof has paid European Community ! 500,000,000 ¤ ....

By the way, yes I am. I get paid lots more than you!
 
F

Frank

Stephan said:
Sure a fix can be applied to XP, but ultimately what XP is doing is only
causing issues in Vista. XP is unaffected by it.

That said, I honestly don't get how MS can implement something in a way
that they know XP will destroy. And nobody can tell me they didn't know.

I'm sure they knew but were more concerned with the new structure of
Vista than any incompatibility with XP. Anyway it's only a problem for
just a few and there are work arounds...one being using separate
physical HDD for XP & Vista...which is what I've done on one box that
has XP, 2K, ME and Vista on it.
That is why I say it's a problem with Vista.

No, it's an XP problem as the fix will be applied to XP, not Vista.

If one knows there's going
to be a problem, why not implement it in a way that it doesn't cause a
problem?

I'm sure they would have done that had it been possible.
But of course, all we're doing is speculating. :)
Frank
 
I

I eat vista

This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is
included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server "Longhorn" uses disk
structures that are incompatible with earlier versions of Windows.

This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is
included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server

AGAIN YOU STUPID IDIOT

This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is
included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server
 
B

Bill Yanaire

I eat vista said:
This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is
included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server "Longhorn" uses disk
structures that are incompatible with earlier versions of Windows.

This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is
included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server

Actually you are wrong. The problem occurs is when you type something and
post to the vista.general group.
AGAIN YOU STUPID IDIOT

You are talking about yourself again.
This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is
included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server
The problem occurs when you do anything, anywhere. Best thing you can do is
flush yourself down the toilet. Just FYI.
 
I

I eat vista

Yanaire I see you are following the footsteps of your role model Frank..
be careful, he is dumber than you.. but you are trying hard to reach his
level of stupidity.
 
B

Bill Yanaire

I eat vista said:
Yanaire I see you are following the footsteps of your role model Frank..
be careful, he is dumber than you.. but you are trying hard to reach his
level of stupidity.

If you look up from the gutter, raw sewage is smarter than you. Just FYI.
By the way, Senator Craig called and said that he wants to meet you in the
public restroom over near the airport. Hurry and don't be late. Bring
flowers.

Just FYI.
 
F

Frank

I said:
Yanaire I see you are following the footsteps of your role model Frank..
be careful, he is dumber than you.. but you are trying hard to reach his
level of stupidity.
Why are you here?
You're not using Vista are you?
Frank
 
F

Frank

I said:
This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is
included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server "Longhorn" uses disk
structures that are incompatible with earlier versions of Windows.

Yes, that's what the article says.
I hope you can read.
The problem emanates in XP, not Vista.
It will proly be fixed in XP SP3.
Frank
 
A

Alias

Ron said:
Ah another Linux troll.

Another top posting Wintard who has reading comprehension problem.
"Harry" said he "went back to XP Pro". Last I checked, there is no Linux
Distro called "XP Pro".
 

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