A better way to defrag your hard disk

[On the Bridge!]

Dedicated to the idiot, racist, nazi-like ALEXB who insists that the vista
defrag is the best thing
since sliced bread and irreplaceable.. what an idiot...

http://www.cnet.com/8301-13880_1-9887297-68.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

it just so happens that they are recommending the same defrag free program,
and for the SAME reason as I did.... great minds think alike... and alexB
thinks like an idiot... (third time I called him that in one post... oh boy
he deserves it!)

"Windows' own Disk Defragmenter is a slug compared to Auslogics'
alternative. At least in XP, you got some feedback while the Windows
defragger was working; Vista doesn't give you a clue what's happening after
you click the Defragment Now button, other than to let you know that the
process could take from a few minutes to a few hours (my bet's on the
latter). I know many people scoff at the dancing colored blocks on the map
as pointless, but I kinda like 'em. "


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CHORUS:

You just format the drive , Clive
Get a New Mac , Jack
Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
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You don't need to discuss much
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And get yourself free

 

[On the Bridge!]

ahh...

I just remember.. that idiot (forth time) naziluving, racist, ALEXB, called
me a crook and a malware writer because I recomended this free defrag
program... what an idiot (fifth time).

I guess that makes CNET also a crook and malware writer that is out to get
to his PC...

lol what an idiot... (sixth time)

 

[On the Bridge!]

the poster of that article is:

Posts by Dennis O'Reilly
Dennis O'Reilly has covered PCs and other technologies in print and online
since 1985. Along with more than a decade as editor for Ziff-Davis's
Computer Select, Dennis edited PC World's award-winning Here's How section
for more than seven years. He is a member of the CNET blog Network, and is
not an employee of CNET.


so he has been in the computer arena for at least 23 years... thats more
that AlexBs total age..

what a smuck... and what a creep that alexb

 

[ray]

Dedicated to the idiot, racist, nazi-like ALEXB who insists that the
vista defrag is the best thing
since sliced bread and irreplaceable.. what an idiot...

http://www.cnet.com/8301-13880_1-9887297-68.html? part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

it just so happens that they are recommending the same defrag free
program, and for the SAME reason as I did.... great minds think
alike... and alexB thinks like an idiot... (third time I called him that
in one post... oh boy he deserves it!)

"Windows' own Disk Defragmenter is a slug compared to Auslogics'
alternative. At least in XP, you got some feedback while the Windows
defragger was working; Vista doesn't give you a clue what's happening
after you click the Defragment Now button, other than to let you know
that the process could take from a few minutes to a few hours (my bet's
on the latter). I know many people scoff at the dancing colored blocks
on the map as pointless, but I kinda like 'em. "

Or one could move to a modern filesystem which does not need
defragmenting and obviate the entire process.

 

[bamboozle]

modern as in linux that is 20 years old? lol

Or one could move to a modern filesystem which does not need
defragmenting and obviate the entire process.

 

[dennis@home]

modern as in linux that is 20 years old? lol

You have to remember that the linux guys still use FAT32 (note 1) when they
use windows and that did need defragging.
NTFS does not need to be defragged but like all disk based systems,
including the latest linux ones, benefit from optimisation which is what the
vista defragger does in the background.

Note 1: most linux users use FAT32 for windows support because Linux can't
reliably handle NTFS and they get problems using NTFS. This suits them
anyway as it perpetuates their *erroneous* belief that you have to defrag
windows but not linux.

Anyway to the OP and anyone that wants to defrag Vista, just let Vista do
its work in the background and forget about all the fancy displays, etc. it
works fine. The add on utils will show fragmentation but that is because
vista doesn't move stuff if it is not going to see an improvement in
performance so it still leaves some files in "fragments" just like the linux
file systems do.

 

[bamboozle]

hello, you are believing in a myth postulated by microsoft when they made
NT, but was fast to backpedal it very fast because the whole world was
laughing...

NTFS needs defrag... you can do some serious reasearch although the web is
contaminated by misinformation still floating around from back then...

 

[dennis@home]

hello, you are believing in a myth postulated by microsoft when they made
NT, but was fast to backpedal it very fast because the whole world was
laughing...

NTFS needs defrag... you can do some serious reasearch although the web is
contaminated by misinformation still floating around from back then...

You are just spreading FUD.
Name one occasion where NTFS has had to be defragged.
Its like *all* disk based file systems.. you can make it faster by
optimisation.. commonly referred to as defrag by those that don't
understand.
FAT has problems allocating space if you let it fragment too much and does
need defragging, but it is a very old file system.
You can run NTFS systems for years without defragging just like you can run
Linux systems.

 

[R. McCarty]

You CAN run an NTFS system for years without defrag. However,
it will be fragmented. Just yesterday I worked on a system that was
4+ years old and had never been defragmented. The fragmentation
level was severe. You cannot get around the physics of a hard drive.

 

[occam]

Its like *all* disk based file systems.. you can make it faster by
optimisation.. commonly referred to as defrag by those that don't
understand.

I know this is a vista nG. But if you go into your (NTFS) XP

Start>> All Programs >> Accessories >> System Tools >> Disk Defragmenter

and click the 'Analyse' button, you will get many indices of disk
fragmentation, as provided by the built-in MS defragmenter.

I guess they do not understand the difference between 'fragmentation'
and 'optimisation'. Silly them!

 

[NoStop]

You are just spreading FUD.
Name one occasion where NTFS has had to be defragged.

Duh! So MickeyMouse has introduced silent background defragging in Vista of
NTFS volumes for no reason at all, other than to create wear and tear on
your hard drive? Either Microsoft is just doing it to fuk the end-user or
it believes that defragging is NECESSARY with the NTFS filesystem. Which is
it oh smart one?

Cheers.

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[ray]

modern as in linux that is 20 years old? lol

I'm afraid you are wrong there. Linus Torvalds did not even start work on
Linux until 1991. Unless my math skills have completely deteriorated,
1991 + 20 = 2011 - and it's only 2008 now!

 

[ray]

You have to remember that the linux guys still use FAT32 (note 1) when
they use windows and that did need defragging. NTFS does not need to be
defragged but like all disk based systems, including the latest linux
ones, benefit from optimisation which is what the vista defragger does
in the background.

Why is that? I use, and most other folks I know use, ntfs-3g to read and
write NTFS systems with no difficulty - which, according to many recent
discussions still needs to be regularly defragmented - or else why would
everyone still be doing it?

Note 1: most linux users use FAT32 for windows support because Linux
can't reliably handle NTFS and they get problems using NTFS. This suits
them anyway as it perpetuates their *erroneous* belief that you have to
defrag windows but not linux.

That my friend, is B.S. Linux has been properly reading and writing NTFS
for some time now - despite the fact that MS has never released proper
docomentation. Indeed a marvel of reverse engineering.

Anyway to the OP and anyone that wants to defrag Vista, just let Vista
do its work in the background and forget about all the fancy displays,
etc. it works fine. The add on utils will show fragmentation but that is
because vista doesn't move stuff if it is not going to see an
improvement in performance so it still leaves some files in "fragments"
just like the linux file systems do.

I thought you just told us it didn't need that!!

 

[bamboozle]

i meant *nix

sorry

I'm afraid you are wrong there. Linus Torvalds did not even start work on
Linux until 1991. Unless my math skills have completely deteriorated,
1991 + 20 = 2011 - and it's only 2008 now!

 

[NoStop]

Why is that? I use, and most other folks I know use, ntfs-3g to read and
write NTFS systems with no difficulty - which, according to many recent
discussions still needs to be regularly defragmented - or else why would
everyone still be doing it?


That my friend, is B.S. Linux has been properly reading and writing NTFS
for some time now - despite the fact that MS has never released proper
docomentation. Indeed a marvel of reverse engineering.


I thought you just told us it didn't need that!!

dennis has a real hard time keeping his bullshit stories straight.

Cheers.

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[ray]

i meant *nix

That's fine except that modern Linux systems do not use the file systems
that were around 20 years ago.

 

[dennis@home]

You CAN run an NTFS system for years without defrag. However,
it will be fragmented. Just yesterday I worked on a system that was
4+ years old and had never been defragmented. The fragmentation
level was severe. You cannot get around the physics of a hard drive.

I know, however you don't need to defrag it, it doesn't stop working like
FAT did.
All the linux file systems would have been fragmented after 4 years of real
use too.

 

[bamboozle]

stop spreading crap...

do some serious research.. WARNING what you are saying is STUPID and
compleatly WRONG!!!!

I will not take the time to search for the information for you.. no.. its
out there.. use google you moron

 

[dennis@home]

I know this is a vista nG. But if you go into your (NTFS) XP

Start>> All Programs >> Accessories >> System Tools >> Disk Defragmenter

and click the 'Analyse' button, you will get many indices of disk
fragmentation, as provided by the built-in MS defragmenter.

I guess they do not understand the difference between 'fragmentation' and
'optimisation'. Silly them!

Well obviously not as fragmentation was a byproduct of the Berkeley
filesystem where the odd bits left over at the end of a file, the fragments,
could be put into a shared block. ;-)

 

[dennis@home]

Duh! So MickeyMouse has introduced silent background defragging in Vista
of
NTFS volumes for no reason at all, other than to create wear and tear on
your hard drive? Either Microsoft is just doing it to fuk the end-user or
it believes that defragging is NECESSARY with the NTFS filesystem. Which
is
it oh smart one?

Ask Bill, while you are at it ask him why it isn't enabled by default if its
essential as you don't appear to be able to think for yourself.