2 surprises of vista

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john said:
...not by me or anyone else I know. XP by comparison was a joy - all my
hardware was detected and worked right out of the box, and all my existing
software ran - Vista.. not even close
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Well, I was on these groups when it came out and it was pretty much the very
same nonsense from the anti-Microsoft trolls.

Saucy
 
i have been using the darn thing since it was called longhorn,
I have it ... of course.. but I dont do productive work on it.. HOW CAN
I????

I dont like what I see at all when I use vista, everything shows its very
low quality...
I can feel it..
I use XP on the same hardware as a dual boot and it works twice as fast!

Vista sucks
 
You quoted minimum OS RAM requirements. Vista will run in 512mb, but it
doesn't make for a particularly good experience anymore than what you
quoted.
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That's only technically true, in that yes, I'm quoting minimum specs
but the other systems I list will indeed run just dandy at minimum specs:
GUI and all. I think that's because in most non-Windows contexts
"minimum specs" means "minimum required to implement the functionality
which we promised" and not "minimum hardware required to eventually
coerce the installer to complete".
There is the part too where integrated video shares RAM on the majority of
lower end x86 motherboards now, which is not the case with what you
mentioned.
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Nope, all those systems run on standard X86 hardware. Shared
video memory and all :-)
 
the wharf rat said:
That's only technically true, in that yes, I'm quoting minimum specs
but the other systems I list will indeed run just dandy at minimum specs:
GUI and all. I think that's because in most non-Windows contexts
"minimum specs" means "minimum required to implement the functionality
which we promised" and not "minimum hardware required to eventually
coerce the installer to complete".


Nope, all those systems run on standard X86 hardware. Shared
video memory and all :-)
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Even AIX?
 
Well, I was on these groups when it came out and it was pretty much the
very same nonsense from the anti-Microsoft trolls.

Saucy
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ahh the old days...
nothing like the Win95 vs OS/2 wars...
 
1st surprise was that I never believed Microsoft was capable of making such
a horrible OS (vista) especially after making XP that was very good,
and especially in 2007.

but the second surprise, something I will never understand, is that I was
astonished to see that there were actually people who did not realize how
horrible vista really is, and not only that, but they show determination to
a fanatic degree & support this piece of trash! (vista)
Not only that, but they have the nerve to call people like me and others,
who clearly comprehend far more than they, stupid!

The vista fanboys give me the creeps... if people cant understand such
simple things... what can you say about other things in life?

Oh humanity is in grave danger then... those who have a brain, will
understand what I am talking about.


PS. vistaboys don't try using your brain at home and try to figure out what
I mean above.. you might burn up the last few neuron cells that are left
after vista degradation
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I see lots of pros and cons to Vista, expected something better, but
remain neutral. From Microsoft's point of view it's about increasing
profit by impressing users with (visual and security) improvements.
Microsoft made mistakes by

Requiring updated drivers to important, expensive, or outdated
peripherals,

Being too expensive,

Mandating the O/S on certain brands of purchased PCs,

Releasing Vista too soon, inadequate testing,

Reminding us about Windows ME,

Requiring relatively new hardware.


Having said all of that, I believe Vista is here to stay but
acceptance will be (like the machines Vista runs on)...slow. Microsoft
can do better if it focused its efforts on operating systems instead
of trying to do it all. It would be nice to see Linux and MacOS
become a bigger threat to Microsoft's dominance--now that would
benefit all computer users.
 
Mike Hall - MVP said:
But you know that Vista runs better with 2gb installed, and that the
majority of current laptops are underpowered when compared to a similar
priced desktop machine. You know that the video card will take a chunk out
of the supplied RAM just as it does with the many desktop motherboards
which have integrated graphics. So you know that you are starting
effectively with only half as much memory as would have been installed in
a better specified desktop of five years ago. You know that the power
management will be defaulted to low CPU in order to get the claimed
battery life.

Were you to compare Vista on your machine with XP on a machine released
around the year 2002, you would not notice that XP was any faster than
Vista is. Of course, that would not suit your purposes at all, would it!!

It may or may not have escaped your attention that Win 2000 ran better on
a high end XP machine than XP did. Are you surprised?. So why are you not
running Windows 2000 still? A driver problem? Microsoft don't do drivers,
so it is not their fault, and you can hardly expect Microsoft to choke
Vista by making it backward compatible with every piece of junk made of
the last seven years.

There were many users in 2002 who complained about XP being slow, and one
way to increase XP speed was to revert to classic look, which I and many
like me did. There were also many new users of XP who complained about
hardware and software.incompatibilities too.

I have noticed that some of the magazine tests on Vista are conducted on a
laptop. This is a smart move if they want to convince others that Vista is
slow as all hell, eh, because they first have to convince themselves
according to their prejudices.

The fact that YOU don't like Vista has no bearing on whether others will
like it, and denigrating Vista because YOU don't like it is no good reason
to mock or insult those who do like it.
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Personally, having used Vista since early beta days, I find reverting to
XP akin to going back to the dark ages. It looks and feels clunky. In my
opinion, my opinion counts for more than yours especially where my
personal well being is concerned, and you should accept and respect that.
BUT YOU DON'T. You want everybody to think like you do, and from what I
can deduce from your writings, I wouldn't want to be like YOU. I am quite
happy being ME. I suspect that many others feel the same way as I do.
I don't come here to convince anybody of anything. I come here to try and
offer a bit of support to those who have chosen Vista, or have chosen to
buy hardware where Vista is essentially the only option at the point of
sale.
Maybe you should try supporting people here instead of using the newsgroup
as a vehicle to peddle your own prejudices
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I don't like it, and I am not shy about saying so.
But I don't tell everyone they are idiots for disagreeing with me, nor do I
espouse that they run open source as an alternative.
It seems many here think if you don't like Vista, you must not actually use
it.
I was looking forward to a new OS, but the longer Beta went on, the more
apparent it became that it was going to have no improvement in
functionality.
My only agenda is to make people aware that Vista does get the "WOW" when
used, but not the way MS wants it to be said.
With many it is WOW?? WTH!! instead of WOW!! That's Cool!
 
Initially I had no intention of calling vista users stupid..

it was their stance that made me do it...

If you see that the earth revolves around the sun and you know its true, and
try to explain this
and instead of listening they call you troll and stupid... well
that makes me extreamly frustrated with these kinds of people

Rember this all started BEFORE the press started to expose the horridness of
vista..

so these losers persisted that vista was great and didnt want to listen to
anything else!

Now of course they are being bombarded with negative reviews of vista.. and
these will multiply in 2008 100 fold.

thats how the "if you like vista then you are stupid" came out....

its only a reaction to their persistance on clinging to nonsense & their
arrogant atittude
 
vista said:
Initially I had no intention of calling vista users stupid..
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Up until the point where you discovered that Vista was smarter than you.
it was their stance that made me do it...
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No, it was the interview where you made a complete fool out of yourself
and they, MS, sent you packing.
If you see that the earth revolves around the sun and you know its true, and
try to explain this
and instead of listening they call you troll and stupid... well
that makes me extreamly frustrated with these kinds of people
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Ummm...I think the meds are beginning to wear off.

You really are a mental case. Get more meds and take them!
Frank
 
"it was their stance that made me do it"
FALSE, like much of what you say.
Nothing made you do it unless you are telling us you are so out of
control of yourself that you knee jerk respond to others without any
ability to stop.
It seems by your own admission, you lack control of yourself
explaining why you claim others "made me do it"

"call you troll"
You fabricate FICTION and call it fact.
When asked for source, you claim you do not have to or it is not
needed.
When the reality is, you FICTION can not be proven.
What you regularly do fits the description of a troll.
You can help prove you are not a troll by citing sources when asked.
And drop the personal attacks which do little other than show your
true character.

You call others "stupid" for reasons others do.
You lack ability and confidence.
So you need to prop up your position with irrelevant attacks.
In calling others "stupid" you show much of your own character while
saying nothing about others.

"& their arrogant atittude"
Try reading your own posts for a change.
Projection seems to be your friend.

Windows Vista works well for many as well as two older computers of
mine.
A feat you seem unable to accomplish and FACTS you can NOT disprove.
 
"Requiring updated drivers to important, expensive, or outdated
peripherals,"
That is not new with Windows Vista, it happens every time a new
operating system is released.
You mentioned this here in a Microsoft newsgroup.
What do you hear back when you mention this in the respective hardware
forums when asking why they have chosen not so support their
customers?

"Being too expensive"
Perhaps.
But take into account Windows Vista Home Premium is about the same
cost as Windows XP Home.
Windows Vista Business is about the same cost as Windows XP Pro.
Windows Vista Home Basic and Windows vista Ultimate have no earlier
comparisons.

Windows vista Home Premium is similarly priced to Windows 95 at
release.
Taking into account inflation, each successive operating system costs
less than the previous.

"Mandating the O/S on certain brands"
Where do you see this?
The manufacturers choose which operating system.
Perhaps that is why Windows XP continues to be available.
This is also not new to Windows Vista.
When Windows XP was released, manufacturers continued to make the
previous operating system available.
The same with operating systems before that.

"Releasing Vista too soon, inadequate testing,"
Perhaps, but again looking back, many were simply demanding Windows
Vista be released even before it was.
At what point is adequate testing completed?
Everyone has different ideas.

"Requiring relatively new hardware"
that is very vague.
Some needed new systems while others needed little or nothing to run
Windows Vista.
In my case, I needed more memory than the current 512 MB RAM, other
than that, my older computers are up to Windows Vista.
 
you understand of course that it is impossible for me to read more than 2
lines from your posts.. dont you?

Although I would normally read your trash even though its stupid.. I just
cannot! The reason?

You are the most BORING person alive today on EARTH!
 
(http://www.comeoff.it), you can read what I have been going through
with this monsterous OS VISTA since my new HP laptop arrived
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Pretty slow site, and I don't see any links to this on the main page.

I have a suggestion: download Ubantu and see how that runs. If not
well, it's your hardware.
 
"impossible for me to read"
Insight on your own limitations.
Also adds understanding of your own inability to succeed with Windows
Vista while those you attack regularly succeed.

"The reason?"
You are unable to dispute what was said and most here know it.
 
It does not need 2GB to run, it just runs better with more ram.
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Vista on 512 seems to be unuseably slow. Is that not your
opinion?
You use the P.S. when you write by hand, using a computer allows you to
edit text, maybe when you have learnt this small thing you may move on
to counting.
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But my computer won't allow me to edit text!! Every time I
try it says "edlin: command not found"!! How can I edit text without
edlin??
instead of saying 1st then second you keep it fluid. i.e. 1st then 2nd
or first then second.
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P.S. I have no idea what you're talking about...
 
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